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[-Vocal-]

Sir Bed as a mafo? Ehhhhhh.

For one, if he were "taking advantage of the flurry of activity", he'd probably be trying to post more than he has.

And if you're making it a matter of Bed v. you, I have to point out that you're asking for a PR to target you tonight, and claim tomorrow to prove your innocence. Now, not only does that plan force a PR to claim, but it also makes every PR say "hey, am I the one who should be targeting Vocal tonight, or will someone else do it?" In effect, you're asking every player with an ability to target you tonight, worst case scenario. Best case, someone with a role claims tonight and we get to hmm and hah about whether they're scum, assuming they don't die.

Sir Bed's suspicion does not arise out of his recent play. Look to mid-game.

It is not Bed v. Me. That is not the question I asked.

My statements do not force a role to claim unless he finds something positive about me. If no one does, then it'd be easy for each person to post one by one "I have nothing positive to post about Vocal." Then once everyone's posted that, I get lynched - voila, clean cut.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Please address both now.

Sure.

His statement: doesn't really make sense to me in reference to my role.

Your statement: doesn't really make sense to me in reference to my role.

I can't make much sense of what he said about the role. It seems like he was trying to hint at a useful PR in order to get NKed, since he knew his activity would be lacking and that would be a better use of his spot.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Sir Bed's suspicion does not arise out of his recent play. Look to mid-game.

I quoted the phrase you used, and explained why I thought that he wasn't doing that. I realize that he was the play mid-game.

It is not Bed v. Me. That is not the question I asked.

I didn't say it was. I said "if you're making it Bed v. you" because you are doing that by saying "hey guys Bed is a good play, remember him" when people already think you're the play. You're offering a second choice, i.e. Bed v. you, hence why I said that.

My statements do not force a role to claim unless he finds something positive about me. If no one does, then it'd be easy for each person to post one by one "I have nothing positive to post about Vocal." Then once everyone's posted that, I get lynched - voila, clean cut.

But it's not clean cut. It's a waste of all the better things that people with roles could be doing tonight. If we lynch you now, we learn your role, and we get rid of a player who some (me included) believe to be anti-town.

 

[-Vocal-]

Sure.

His statement: doesn't really make sense to me in reference to my role.

Your statement: doesn't really make sense to me in reference to my role.

I can't make much sense of what he said about the role. It seems like he was trying to hint at a useful PR in order to get NKed, since he knew his activity would be lacking and that would be a better use of his spot.

His role is your role, right? I really hope I'm not confusing the replacements now, there have just been SO many

Assuming it is: when is your role going to produce something of worth?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

His role is your role, right? I really hope I'm not confusing the replacements now, there have just been SO many

Assuming it is: when is your role going to produce something of worth?

No, you're absolutely correct, his role is my role. But a) I wouldn't have said any of the things he said about my role, and b) I don't think what my role does, or if it's non-vanilla at all, is really your business.

 

[-Vocal-]

I didn't say it was. I said "if you're making it Bed v. you" because you are doing that by saying "hey guys Bed is a good play, remember him" when people already think you're the play. You're offering a second choice, i.e. Bed v. you, hence why I said that.

I didn't say that you did. What I meant to say more clearly: you didn't answer my question. Answer it.

But it's not clean cut. It's a waste of all the better things that people with roles could be doing tonight. If we lynch you now, we learn your role, and we get rid of a player who some (me included) believe to be anti-town.

Or you could be lynching a townie, possibly having another nightkilled tonight, and most certainly another person (townie or mafia) abducted. First, I don't believe there are multiple role-check roles. Second, using those resources to possibly save a townie should be the prime use of them anyways. Don't try to put a scum spin on what a role is supposed to be used for. It's there to be used to alleviate suspicion when possible and that's exactly what can happen now.

 

[-Vocal-]

When I don't know what to do I pick a player and follow + pressure wagon. An opportunity presented itself, either way Swiss is my go to guy for mafia things

Guess I'm that guy. Still reading...

 

[-Vocal-]

Oh yes, and my last post could also be used as secondary information in favor of the idea that X1 is town. I'll be posting more later, at LEAST one more point, haven't read through the whole game so can't say if there will be more yet.

The reasoning arising: he's townie, he doesn't know what to do now, he follows me and pressures me to hell and back.

 

[-Vocal-]

Also noticed there are nothing but blue avatars on this page right now. Made me smile.

Ah simple things in life...

 

[-Vocal-]

I think Vocal is a douche.

Not sure on his alignment anymore.

Total douche, though.

lo l

 

[-Vocal-]

My concern is more the possibility of you attempting to push the responsibility for your votes off by following other's reads.


I'll take a much harder look at you if you make a habit of it, we'll see.

Iron y. This guy is abductor. Haven't been adding him to my long post because it wouldn't be right to because i'd have to quote everything because it's nearly all equally passive. Never takes a course of action until someone else does. This guy has to be abductor, he simply has to be, and it's the perfect explanation for the "null-tell" he's giving off

 

[-Vocal-]

I'll roleclaim when one of my scum-targets is at L-1.

@Nabe: Also, what's this all about now?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

HOW is everyone else playing a more townie game than me? Do you even believe Sir Bed to be townier than me?

For starters, you told the town to flatout ignore Sir Bed in this very same post. I don't think it needs to be made clear to you why that's anti-town.

On the whole, however, I'm riding on the entire events of the thread; what's already been established up until now, which is that you're playing badtown at best, anti-town at worst. That's a statement that's riding off of other people's hard work, I'm proud to say. Which isn't to say that I haven't observed the same by reading the thread. But other players have demonstrated why it's so, and for me to do the same now would be the quoting 50 pages that I talked about before.

Or you could be lynching a townie, possibly having another nightkilled tonight, and most certainly another person (townie or mafia) abducted. First, I don't believe there are multiple role-check roles. Second, using those resources to possibly save a townie should be the prime use of them anyways. Don't try to put a scum spin on what a role is supposed to be used for. It's there to be used to alleviate suspicion when possible and that's exactly what can happen now.

I agree, there's a possibility there for mislynch. But short of a modcleared sane cop getting a scum report on a player, there's never a sure thing in this game. And I don't think it'll be a mislynch.

Now, let me understand what you're saying here. You think there's a specialized role that targets people to see if they're playing music? My interpretation of the role you're claiming, and I assume it's not just me, is that a doctor/watcher/tracker/cop would target you, and get a message from the mod to the tune of "You hear music playing." The situation you're describing makes no sense. And neither does the role you're claiming -- there's no protown practical component to it.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@Nabe: Also, what's this all about now?

I have no idea. Ask Dastrn post-game.

 

[-Vocal-]

For starters, you told the town to flatout ignore Sir Bed in this very same post. I don't think it needs to be made clear to you why that's anti-town.

On the whole, however, I'm riding on the entire events of the thread; what's already been established up until now, which is that you're playing badtown at best, anti-town at worst. That's a statement that's riding off of other people's hard work, I'm proud to say. Which isn't to say that I haven't observed the same by reading the thread. But other players have demonstrated why it's so, and for me to do the same now would be the quoting 50 pages that I talked about before.


I agree, there's a possibility there for mislynch. But short of a modcleared sane cop getting a scum report on a player, there's never a sure thing in this game. And I don't think it'll be a mislynch.

Now, let me understand what you're saying here. You think there's a specialized role that targets people to see if they're playing music? My interpretation of the role you're claiming, and I assume it's not just me, is that a doctor/watcher/tracker/cop would target you, and get a message from the mod to the tune of "You hear music playing." The situation you're describing makes no sense. And neither does the role you're claiming -- there's no protown practical component to it.

If you would think there's no pro-town component to it, why, as scum, would I not invent a more useful role? I claimed this role because it's what I was given and it's all I have to go off of. I have complete faith in Hilt as a moderator and role creater that it doesn't just let people hear music but that it also lets a person know my alignment.

And yes, one of my theories is that there is a role that hears me. It may not even just be me - it could be several players - is there anything evil in the game relating to sound? I wouldn't know, I've never actually played it. That'd be circumstantial anyways nevermind no use in hypothesizing.

The facts still stand like this:
1) People may be able to confirm my alignment Tonight.
2) If no one does, or the result is ambiguous, then I'll win The Lottery (awesome short story, you guys should read it if you haven't, takes about 15 minutes iirc)

Correct me if I'm wrong but this would appear to be the safest, most logical route to take. Today's lynch can be used on someone else who is under suspicion and I can be investigated Tonight; if i'm scum then i'll be lynched. Win win, then game can move on without needing to waste Today's lynch on me

 

[-Vocal-]

Uhhh

Not sure if I should claim since I don't know if I've been hammered or not. x_X

Wait, what? Explain

Maybe I should put this in the long post. Meh, doesn't matter, just needs to be said

 

[-Vocal-]

3. Adumbrodeus - Neutralish, leaning scum. He's carried this really passive aggressive, "omg everything people have attacked me with is so stupid" attitude for most of the game. He hasn't been aggro on the offensive, but when people have attacked him he comes off as slightly frustrated which disrupts the kind of cool confidence and more passive offense that he normally carries. It really isn't too unusual for adum to be so dismissive of others' opinions and attacks and brush them away as "dumb" in that sort of manner, but he also tends to be more aggro offensively for the same reason. Not only will he call people out for how "dumb" or bad their attacks are when they attack him, but he tends to base a lot of his offensive stances with these types of criticisms, and I don't see this congruence in this game. It just seems off.

omg I think this is the meta-read I was asking for. Adumb not acting like his usual self? Being less aggro? Sounds like abductor to me

 

[-Vocal-]

Nabe, you make less and less sense by the second. Shouldn't Dastrn's cryptic messages make sense to you? Shouldn't you at least have a clue as to how he was going to use the role?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

If you would think there's no pro-town component to it, why, as scum, would I not invent a more useful role? I claimed this role because it's what I was given and it's all I have to go off of. I have complete faith in Hilt as a moderator and role creater that it doesn't just let people hear music but that it also lets a person know my alignment.

Your only concern was being cleared as town, that's why you claimed to begin with. As scum, the usefulness of an idea like that is that it keeps you around, and for scum, having people around is very important. It's also a fairly simple role, meaning it's more believable.

If you are scum, like I think, then you made this claim without thinking about the use of such a role as a whole -- that is to say, this role is not, in any way, pro-town. That's not to say it's inherently bad either, but the reality is that it takes up resources on you that are better spent on scum. I have faith in Hilt that he would've written a better role than what you're claiming, and if it is the truth, I have faith in the fact that you're somehow selling it shorter than it is.

From what we're hearing about your role right now, it seems useless. Any lynch could be a mislynch, but you are the safest of our choices. We need to lynch, because a no lynch means scum gets to call all the shots tonight. We can't have that. You need to go.

 

[adumbrodeus]

We have until 4 EST tomorrow to decide on a lynch and a ****load happened here, too much for me to digest between or during class while taking notes.


If necessary I'll definitely hammer cause even if I think still think vocal's town after reading this we can't afford another no lynch.


But from what I read, flailing scum is a definate possibility.


Wanna see if any of my targets are viable wagons though.


@mod: Can I get a votecount?

 

[-Vocal-]

I'd agree with Vocal being at mine, but I haven't really though ill of Vocal until recently. We've disagreed on points (mostly about him thinking I'm scum lol), yes, but aside from my noobtown read, I never really had that strong of an opinion on him until FF made that case on him. So, the only reason I wasn't voting him toDay from before (as I explained at the bottom of my last post) is I wasn't sure who to go for between FF and Vocal, but I'm leaning Vocal now. Except I'm also not voting him now, because I'm pretty sure he's at L-1 and ending the Day when I want to do a bit of rereading seems bad lol.

do not understand why you asked this question



Well, it'd make sense if you're not a music-playing VT, but an abductor that plays music as a way of telling other people that something is going on with that person. Seems more sensible than a VT that clears himself upon one visit.

Also making other targeting roles claim just to prove that you have this silly ability is extremely lol.



I'm looking through my old posts and I SWEAR I made a point of posting this suspicion I had. : ( This doesn't actually change much right now, though, since we're still hunting for indies.

Uh

Can anyone link the most recent game that adum was scum in that isn't Bad Idea Redux? Meta is kind of bad when all a person talks about is mechanics as adum did in Redux, and he did the same in MXC, so AHHHHH.

rereadin to confirm that we got this

Why would I claim a role at all if I was an abductor! Why would Hilt create a purposefully deceitful role - are those common, aside from insane doctors and the like?

I've been hinting that people should visit me since the very end of the first day.

Anyways, were I to not be the planned target of tomorrow's mob, someone should visit me ToNight. If you have such a role and don't have a lead on someone else, it might be a good idea.

Unless the idea of a creatively hidden abductor seems like something that Hilt would create, this train of thought should end immediately. If it is, then I hope that something I post now will relieve your thoughts.

Adumbrodeus:

cause we've got 5 minutes left, i cant even post directly, and switching to you makes it l-2 rather then l-3
lynching town is better then no lynching

Quickly changes his vote to the most vulnerable target. A good play? Someone tell me, and if it wasn't then it was scum, either abductor or mafia. If it is

o****

Unvote
Vote: Sir Bedevere

I'd rather adum or pierre slot but sir bed dead over no lynch

Then I'd say it's a safe bet that adumb and X1 are on opposing teams or both town. Not sure how willing I am to accept the second.

ARGH!

The frustrating thing is that X1 votes for Sir Bed, even though I sternly believe them to both be mafia. Would X1 does this with an assumption that because it was already twilight that it wouldn't count?

Moving on

Went even further back and found this:

1. X1-12 - I share the opinion of most: haven't liked his play, would be OK with lynching him.

I'm changing my opinion. X1 is no longer scum. Sir Bed is still scum. X1 is just...I don't even know. I feel like I'm under the influence of strong bias due to how much I hate him.

Moving on

\/Not as important\/

Or it's honest.
I've seen success in early claims recently. Not from cops or docs, but from these fringe roles. I consider claiming early in this case to see what it generates.

Be honest with yourself: what's the risk in early claiming a funny role that seems way underpowered? Town doesn't really stand to gain anything from me hiding it and using it hardly helps at best. I might as well be transparent and see what scum does with it. for example, scum might vote me at the mere thought of early claiming, without engaging in the discussion of WHY they don't like it. If I reply with a vote, they can say "oh...omgus...lame" and shrug it off easily. Pretty safe way to vote/wagon if there's no risk. (eyeballing x1 here, obviously)

Scum always need to look for BS opportunities to vote and wagon. It's risky to do so, and shows their colors a bit. But in this case, I've given scum a relatively safe opportunity to vote without analyzing anything.

We're far enough into D1 to be reading into one little comment, since you have the context of my whole D1 play to compare it to. X1, you're experienced enough to know this. So have at it. I invite you to quote my entire D1 activity, building a case against me that is consistent with your "this reeks" post.

Also, Cop, I invite you to investigate me if you want.

I'll claim as soon as I hear 5 people ask for it. Just say @dastrn - claim and I'll do it. There's little risk.

I did think of a way to use my role today while I was showering. I realized there are some subtle applications to it that could be useful to town eventually. Mostly, I think I can use it, invite a watcher/voyeur/etc or someone to keep an eye on me/my target to demonstrate that I'm being honest.

I also thought of really cool ways to build a separate game around balancing this ability to it would actually be useful immediately, instead of just cumulatively.

Anywho, X1, bring it bro. Let's see what you got.

\/The important part, in relation to the last post\/

I like how Dastrn just set up a WIFOM trap that wastes otherwise useful investigations, tracking, watching, while setting up his lynch for mid game rather than early game.




Dastrn, secrecy is best unless there's a mass claim, and mass claims generally result in people going off of a "gut feeling" while scum logically picks off strong targets.

Keep your ability secret until people decide to lynch you. Currently, you're an anti-town time bomb and, if you're town, that's not good. Try to think of a way your ability could somehow clear you.

OS, how do you feel about this?

Moving on

Anyways, scum is a decent player. They killed a crap player. There are (at least one) possibly two scum in myself, Adum, Pierre & OS. Puttin' that out there now.

Anyone care to comment on this? Adumb is already on my list, as is FF. he also later commented that he no longer believed OS to be scum here

Moving on

As for me, If I were scum OS would probably be my first choice due to the fact that he's got a pretty strong record of reading me when I'm scum, making him a stronger liability to my scum game then any other player in the game. His record of reading me when I'm town however... is a bit lackluster.

If this is to be taken at face value, this would add even more incentive for Adumb to play as passive a role as possible in this game as abductor, if this is not how he ordinarily plays as scum. Can someone give me a meta read on him?

Moving on

\/In reference to me calling out Swiss for joining nearly every (or just every?) wagon\/

unvote

I don't remember where my vote is currently, but I like Vocal right now, and his case on Swiss. There's no reason to ride EVERY wagon unless you're simply in this game to kill indiscriminately.

vote: Swiss

I can't even tell what makes me feel uneasy about this post, I just know it doesn't seem right. Seems like a sudden switch, i don't know, read more into it

Moving on...

oh, and I can't remember who said it, but the Abductor is DEFINITELY more of a threat right now than mafia. If both toDay's lynch and mafia's NK fail to hit abductor, and we fail toMorrow too, the mafia will either have to correctly guess who the abductor is or no kill or we all lose (mafia AND town). Abductor is gonna end this game way faster than normal if we don't get him soon. Doesn't really change much (I mean, we'd be a blessed town if we could make the decision between lynching a mafiat and lynching the abductor, lol), but I'd look out for individual tells rather than associative tells atm.

Bed is scum. Seems to be scum trying to shift focus elsewhere so that he can direct town towards abductor and then cause a mislynch on their way there later.

We already know Bed's scum, I guess this isn't very useful...

Moving on...

Actually, no more moving on. Stopped reading when Nabe came in, pretty sure I got anything that I feel needs attention. After all of this here are my impressions:

Town:
-FrozenFlam
-Overswarm
-X1

Scum:
-Sir Bed

Abductor:
-Adumbrodeus

Unsure:
-Everyone else, though leaning town on Swiss. (His reads when he was still around seem consistent with the list I've compiled so far.)

Please let me have actually done something right for once...

 

[-Vocal-]

Your only concern was being cleared as town, that's why you claimed to begin with. As scum, the usefulness of an idea like that is that it keeps you around, and for scum, having people around is very important. It's also a fairly simple role, meaning it's more believable.

If you are scum, like I think, then you made this claim without thinking about the use of such a role as a whole -- that is to say, this role is not, in any way, pro-town. That's not to say it's inherently bad either, but the reality is that it takes up resources on you that are better spent on scum. I have faith in Hilt that he would've written a better role than what you're claiming, and if it is the truth, I have faith in the fact that you're somehow selling it shorter than it is.

From what we're hearing about your role right now, it seems useless. Any lynch could be a mislynch, but you are the safest of our choices. We need to lynch, because a no lynch means scum gets to call all the shots tonight. We can't have that. You need to go.

My role is pro-town if people who hear me playing music can confirm my alignment as town.

Stop acting like you know for a fact that it doesn't.

I'm sure that it must; otherwise, yes, it would be entirely useless.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Nabe, you make less and less sense by the second. Shouldn't Dastrn's cryptic messages make sense to you? Shouldn't you at least have a clue as to how he was going to use the role?

Let me put it to you once more, and in clear English:

I don't know what he was talking about. My best guess is that he was hinting at a bigger role than he had, so that scum would take him out, which would've been fine to him because of his low activity. In reality, the role is not what he was describing.

You don't need any more information than what's clearly written here and what you can easily glean from it with a little thought. If I have any role at all, you don't need to know about it. Stop asking, because there's no way I'm going to give out role information to a possible mafo at L-1.

 

[-Vocal-]

Oh yes, and one final thing: Dastrn/Nabe is leaning scum for me. Not particularly (though partially) due to Nabe's behavior but primarily because of Dastrn's, what little of it he gave us.

I've now been thinking about/reading this game since 6 PM. I need to stop

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

My role is pro-town if people who hear me playing music can confirm my alignment as town.

A role that only confirms to other roles that it's a town role isn't pro-town. It takes away a night's worth of actions from other roles that would be better spent searching out scum.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I've been hinting that people should visit me since the very end of the first day.

Quote every instance of you doing this.
Waaaay more important than any of the things you've been saying if it's true.

 

[-Vocal-]

This is @ Nabe

Anyways, were I to not be the planned target of tomorrow's mob, someone should visit me ToNight. If you have such a role and don't have a lead on someone else, it might be a good idea.

Actually there is a way. That's why I said that someone should visit me last night. If no one did, then they could ToNight - I invite it, unless there is someone that needs a visit more urgently.

I was trying to slyly let on to whoever can do these types of things that I'm the person to come to. I didn't want to blatantly say over and over again "COME VISIT ME!" because that'd just make it unnecessarily obvious that I had a role and should be a night kill target.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Okay, now we're getting somewhere. You've entered the realm of plausibility.

On the non-silly side, we have the possibility that scum!You has been planning this roleclaim since the start of the game. On the paranoid side, we have the possibility that scum!You has a role that harms players who target you at night, and that's why you were asking for visits. And then we have the third option that you're innocent, telling the truth, and all of the things that follow from it.

Unvote. I'm done for the night and I don't want you hammered. It's been the Vocal and Nabe show for a couple pages and we need a response from someone who's not us. In particular, I'd like to hear from OS. But if/when it comes to deadline tomorrow, I'm still fine with your lynch.

 

[-Vocal-]

Wagon Adumb now Believe that I'm not scum then wagon Adumb now.

(hee hee, then now, i crack myself up.)

I'm extremely serious about this. I'm going to push every second I can manage because I do NOT want another no lynch, and Adumb is without a doubt my strongest read for abductor. Combining FF's meta of him with analysis of his gameplay leads me to no other conclusion than he must be abductor. Already posted all the reasoning for this so read it over again if you aren't convinced and then explore for yourself.

What ever you do, do it quickly and do it before 3:00 P.M. tomorrow.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Well, I'd be a pretty terrible replacement if I weren't planning to be here for deadline.

 

[-Vocal-]

Well, I'd be a pretty terrible replacement if I weren't planning to be here for deadline.

Wasn't directly directed at you, rather everyone, but you're included in that anyhow.

Btw...why do you have a frog as your avatar? Some special amphibian?

 

[Overswarm]

I still don't like Vocal.

Going to bed. Will hopefully post some tomorrow at work, but it depends on if I get my work done. I'm leaving for MLG Dallas and will be V/LA until Monday starting tomorrow (whenever I leave). Don't count on me for a vote; if you guys are planning on lynching someone and need my vote, let me know ASAP so I can vote before I leave. Don't rely on me to hammer, I have no idea what my activity will be.

 

[Sir Bedevere]

Wait, what? Explain

like

i wasn't sure if i was hammered

so like

i didn't claim

cus like

why would i? :>

Why would I claim a role at all if I was an abductor! Why would Hilt create a purposefully deceitful role - are those common, aside from insane doctors and the like?

lol at first sentence

Hilt wouldn't create a deceitful role; OS has told us that Hilt hates all deceitful roles in general. Accepting that as truth (and I do), then we must consider this one possibility:

"How likely is it that Hilt does not consider your role deceitful?"

A role that seems absolutely useless but acts as a self-clear to anyone visiting you is pretty deceitful, but is it deceitful enough that Hilt wouldn't include it? I'm leaning yes, which means I still feel like lynching you. I guess it's possible that literally the only thing you do is play music and are essentially a VT, but I really don't see much point in that and why you wouldn't just be a VT, unless VTs in this game have weird restrictions and stuff like that (didn't see one from BSL, but maybe it's hidden?). More likely, you're the abductor and play music to anyone who comes near you as a bit of a warning, or perhaps require someone to visit you in order to abduct anyone.

Bed is scum. Seems to be scum trying to shift focus elsewhere so that he can direct town towards abductor and then cause a mislynch on their way there later.

Uhhh, both town and scum have incentive to go after the abductor lol. Abductor will kill us way faster than the mafia.

---

Well, I won't be able to vote tomorrow, so...

unvote

Vote: Vocal

Nabe, OS, adum, I'm fine with any of you hammering at any time. If you KNOW FOR SURE that you'll be able to vote before 3PM EST (1PM or earlier preferably so we make it for sure), please post here so we give each other the most amount of time to respond to stuff.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I'll be here to hammer pre-deadline if needed.
OS, if you see this before you leave: are you happy with keeping your vote on Bed going into deadline?

 

[-Vocal-]

like

i wasn't sure if i was hammered

so like

i didn't claim

cus like

why would i? :>



lol at first sentence

Hilt wouldn't create a deceitful role; OS has told us that Hilt hates all deceitful roles in general. Accepting that as truth (and I do), then we must consider this one possibility:

"How likely is it that Hilt does not consider your role deceitful?"

A role that seems absolutely useless but acts as a self-clear to anyone visiting you is pretty deceitful, but is it deceitful enough that Hilt wouldn't include it? I'm leaning yes, which means I still feel like lynching you. I guess it's possible that literally the only thing you do is play music and are essentially a VT, but I really don't see much point in that and why you wouldn't just be a VT, unless VTs in this game have weird restrictions and stuff like that (didn't see one from BSL, but maybe it's hidden?). More likely, you're the abductor and play music to anyone who comes near you as a bit of a warning, or perhaps require someone to visit you in order to abduct anyone.



Uhhh, both town and scum have incentive to go after the abductor lol. Abductor will kill us way faster than the mafia.

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Well, I won't be able to vote tomorrow, so...

unvote

Vote: Vocal

Nabe, OS, adum, I'm fine with any of you hammering at any time. If you KNOW FOR SURE that you'll be able to vote before 3PM EST (1PM or earlier preferably so we make it for sure), please post here so we give each other the most amount of time to respond to stuff.

Question time: who's been scummier across the entire game? Sir Bed or I? Were we not all voting against him just last night? Have there not been suspicions flying around his name for Days now?

We're currently at odds with each other, where I think he's scum and he's calling me abductor. If you didn't trust him then, why are you going to trust him now?

Also, Hilt could you post a vote count whenever you get a chance?

 

[Overswarm]

I'll be here to hammer pre-deadline if needed.
OS, if you see this before you leave: are you happy with keeping your vote on Bed going into deadline?

Doesn't matter either way. It's currently a placeholder, I wouldn't want to lynch him at the moment over Vocal.

 

[-Vocal-]

Doesn't matter either way. It's currently a placeholder, I wouldn't want to lynch him at the moment over Vocal.

Why are you still so set against me?

(Also lol at us waking up at the same time)

 

[-Vocal-]

Also, FF, I see you're viewing, your thoughts? Am I still a suspect or have I done anything to alleviate your concerns?

 

[Overswarm]

Why are you still so set against me?

(Also lol at us waking up at the same time)

I woke up 2 and a half hours ago. -_-;;

I'm at work.


You mentioned something earlier about how many people would be left if we didn't lynch the abductor.

3.

I don't want one of them to be you, because you're either going to be A) the easiest lynch ever or B) going to start a panic lynch so you yourself aren't lynched.

I'm not confident in my ability to pick out the abductor when we have Frozen Flame (replacement, little activity), Adumbrodeus (little activity) and Nabe (replacement, new activity). There's just not enough information to go around.

Tomorrow will be quite a bit easier, I'd imagine.



Although, I'm particular interested in you, Nabe. I had forgotten about Dastrn's soft claim early game. I know Dastrn, and I know it would be very unlike him to claim any sort of ability he doesn't have without good reason. I know you're lying, but I don't know why you're lying.

 

[-Vocal-]

I wouldn't start a panic lynch. I only start lynches if I believe in them.