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[Overswarm]

Vocal, Sir Bedevere:

You two have been at each other's throats for a while now, and painfully clear about it.

Yet neither of you vote for one another.

Why is this?

 

[-Vocal-]

Sir Bed I firmly believe to be mafia, which is why he should be target #1 after we find the abductor.

Also, I noticed you weren't voting for Sir Bed. Why don't you go ahead and do that?

Because he's scum and we need to kill abductor. If we lynch a mafiate, we're potentially making it easier for the abductor to win, so stopping him must be first priority.

Vocal, Sir Bedevere:

You two have been at each other's throats for a while now, and painfully clear about it.

Yet neither of you vote for one another.

Why is this?

You must be hard of hearing.

Why are you so adamant about lynching Sir Bed?

 

[X1-12]

Vocal: we have to lynch someone..

 

[-Vocal-]

Vocal: we have to lynch someone..

Everyone: we have to lynch someone...

I've already stated FF and adumb as my prime targets.

 

[Overswarm]

You must be hard of hearing.

Why are you so adamant about lynching Sir Bed?

You seem awfully sure he's not the abductor.

Why FF and Adumb? Which one is the abductor?

 

[-Vocal-]

You seem awfully sure he's not the abductor.

Why FF and Adumb? Which one is the abductor?

Do you think he's the abductor? Why?

FF and adumb because they're the two I have the weakest reads on. Everyone else I either consider to be more mafia or more town, yourself included.

 

[-Vocal-]

Also

I'm having a hard time deciding between FF and adumb for abductor.

Are you sure you don't need a visit to the ortolaryngologist? Let's hope it's just your ears and not your memory

oh wait

 

[Overswarm]

Do you think he's the abductor? Why?

FF and adumb because they're the two I have the weakest reads on. Everyone else I either consider to be more mafia or more town, yourself included.

Don't buddy me.

You're playing a process of elimination game and saying "well I think others are town and I think bedevere is scum, so one of them must be the abductor", correct?

 

[-Vocal-]

Don't buddy me.

You're playing a process of elimination game and saying "well I think others are town and I think bedevere is scum, so one of them must be the abductor", correct?

You didn't answer my question so why should I answer yours?

 

[-Vocal-]

And fine. You can be mafia too if you want it so badly

Vote: OS

 

[Overswarm]

I'm not the one who is L-2 with one person questioning him and another person claiming he wants to vote you (but isn't).

You're playing a process of elimination game and saying "well I think others are town and I think bedevere is scum, so one of them must be the abductor", correct?

Well?

 

[Overswarm]

Bed, don't think you're off the hook either. I'd like to know why you're anti-vocal but not voting him, and have not voted him all Day.

 

[-Vocal-]

I think Sir Bed and X1 are scum.

I think you, Dan, and I are town.

I'm unsure about Swiss, adumb, FF, and Nabe.

Dastrn (now Nabe) has been so inactive that I don't believe he'd have time to play abductor in any efficient manner. Swiss has been abducted so it obviously isn't him. (That is a rule, right? Abductor can't abduct himself?)

This leaves adumb and FF.

 

[Overswarm]

Your thoughts on Swiss were my main concern.

Why do you think there was no NKill?

 

[-Vocal-]

Your thoughts on Swiss were my main concern.

Why do you think there was no NKill?

Good question, I hadn't thought about this one enough actually. As I see it, there are two possibilities:

1) Swiss is town, was targeted by mafia, and avoided being killed by his being abducted.

2) Swiss is mafia, was abducted, and whomever was targeted by mafia last Night was protected by a doctor-type role.

I'm not really sure which it'd be though :/

 

[Overswarm]

X1-12, who is the play for toDay?

 

[X1-12]

vocal or ff

thinking now ahout peirre gave me indy tells followed by him pushing for vocal? Hm probably the easiest lynch there, either one could be scum or abductor. i think if vocal flips scum lynch adum, he was saying things like 'hm perhaps vocal isn't all he seems' then doing nothing about it nor ever voting/ mentioning him again. Gotta think about abductor though :/

 

[-Vocal-]

vocal or ff

thinking now ahout peirre gave me indy tells followed by him pushing for vocal? Hm probably the easiest lynch there, either one could be scum or abductor. i think if vocal flips scum lynch adum, he was saying things like 'hm perhaps vocal isn't all he seems' then doing nothing about it nor ever voting/ mentioning him again. Gotta think about abductor though :/

Ugh...I don't want to agree with scum...but mafia and town have a common goal in needing to lynch abductor, right?

Need moar info

OS, do you have suspicions of any sort of FF or adumb?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Hi Nabe. Simple questions:

Who do you think is mafia?

Who do you think is the play of the day?

Who do you think is most valuable to town?

Mafia's a bit murky. I wouldn't mind saying Swiss, but the problem is his shift in playstyle, since this game ended up lasting a month. Bit of a moot point anyway, since he's removed from play. I'm hoping to get a better start in D4; for now I've only read the thread once.

Play of the day is you. Without knowing anyone else's meta, I can't do much else, because everyone besides you is playing a more townie game on the surface. I'll quote the posts that grab my interest in a sec.

OS has been most valuable to town so far, in that he consistently posts cases or other content in decent length or better. He's also made a good effort to keep the town on track.

 

[-Vocal-]

Mafia's a bit murky. I wouldn't mind saying Swiss, but the problem is his shift in playstyle, since this game ended up lasting a month. Bit of a moot point anyway, since he's removed from play. I'm hoping to get a better start in D4; for now I've only read the thread once.

Play of the day is you. Without knowing anyone else's meta, I can't do much else, because everyone besides you is playing a more townie game on the surface. I'll quote the posts that grab my interest in a sec.

OS has been most valuable to town so far, in that he consistently posts cases or other content in decent length or better. He's also made a good effort to keep the town on track.

This upsets me. Don't kill me off before someone even has a chance to verify my alignment - we've lost two townies already and at least one, possible two have been abducted. Killing another townie would be a poor decision, and my role even gives a way to verify that I'm not a threat.

 

[Overswarm]

Ugh...I don't want to agree with scum...but mafia and town have a common goal in needing to lynch abductor, right?

This bothers me.

While killing the abductor is going to be important, killing mafia wouldn't exactly be a negative for town.

I feel like you're protecting someone other than yourself, but I'm not sure who. Maybe Sir Bed.



However, I do know this:

everyone seems against FFlame right now solely because of... i'm not sure exactly. Indie vibes from Pierre and his lack of activity here, maybe.

Flame, post a bit more. I find it unlikely you're mafia, so you can be useful.

 

[Overswarm]

This upsets me. Don't kill me off before someone even has a chance to verify my alignment - we've lost two townies already and at least one, possible two have been abducted. Killing another townie would be a poor decision, and my role even gives a way to verify that I'm not a threat.

How?

You play music. Big whoop. This doesn't help us at all.

You could be that crazy windmill guy who has the ability to kill whoever visits him. You could maybe be telling the entire truth, save for your alignment is not town. We don't know. Hearing music does not help us determine your alignment.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

All I've said is that your playstyle is impulsive, clingy, and somewhat excitable and childish. I never said you were faking that though. In fact, I believe it's quite the opposite. I think that you're playing this "too ridiculous and out there to not be town", disarming playstyle as a natural result of getting a tough and unique role like abductor and not really having a special game plan to handle it with.

This is the post that sells me on your case. I've seen people get roles that they couldn't figure out a playstyle for, and I think it's very plausible that you're going through the same.

I also like what Bed picked out of the flavour, about the Bremen Mask, although it's hardly relevant.

Good question, I hadn't thought about this one enough actually. As I see it, there are two possibilities:

1) Swiss is town, was targeted by mafia, and avoided being killed by his being abducted.

2) Swiss is mafia, was abducted, and whomever was targeted by mafia last Night was protected by a doctor-type role.

Bolded is what I don't like about this post. Your 1) is absolutely a valid scenario; Swiss was the NK target and got abducted. But in your 2), you've made the conclusion that it's a duality; if Swiss wasn't the NK target, then he's mafia, which is false.

For the record, here's the split as I see it:

1) Swiss is town and was NK target but abduction stopped that from happening.
2) Swiss was mafia and got abducted, which led him to not make a kill.
3) Swiss is whatever, and some protection role saved the NK target.

As a result, I feel like you're pushing an agenda of mafia!Swiss and have been all of D3. Which fits better with you being mafia, actually, since you'd be pushing the idea that there are less active mafia than there actually are.

 

[Overswarm]

X1-12, your thoughts?

 

[X1-12]

X1-12, your thoughts?

1 sec



@Nabe: What mafia experience do you have again? you've played before but not online?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@Nabe: What mafia experience do you have again? you've played before but not online?

I've played all over the place online. These days mostly on AiB, and I run games on another small forum.

 

[X1-12]

ok, I like Nabe.

Das was playing CRAP but not like the scum Dastrn I've recently experienced and his inactivity in onther games suggest legit reasons for not posting

I think I'm gonna post a flavour analysis in a bit, when I get home

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

X1, do you still feel strongly about 447? (Your case on Vocal from D2)

 

[X1-12]

Yup

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

So is it safe to say you see Vocal as a mafia candidate, more than an abductor candidate? I'm inclined to agree with the idea that Vocal might have been fed some of his lines.

OS, what's the most recent game you've completed? Bonus points if there's a somewhat recent game where you were scum and you think you performed well.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

EBWOP: Should say, most recent game that I'll be able to read, not private or otherwise.

 

[-Vocal-]

This bothers me.

While killing the abductor is going to be important, killing mafia wouldn't exactly be a negative for town.

I feel like you're protecting someone other than yourself, but I'm not sure who. Maybe Sir Bed.



However, I do know this:

everyone seems against FFlame right now solely because of... i'm not sure exactly. Indie vibes from Pierre and his lack of activity here, maybe.

Flame, post a bit more. I find it unlikely you're mafia, so you can be useful.

I do believe it would a bad thing. Here's what happens:

We lynch a mafiate

Mafia nightkills a townie

Abductor kidnaps another person

That's three people lost and abductor is making ground like no other.

How?

You play music. Big whoop. This doesn't help us at all.

You could be that crazy windmill guy who has the ability to kill whoever visits him. You could maybe be telling the entire truth, save for your alignment is not town. We don't know. Hearing music does not help us determine your alignment.

I pray to god that my role would at least provide someone with my alignment - if it did not, why would such a worthless role exist at all? A person who plays music but doesn't know if someone comes to see him and gives no information at all to his visitors? How much sense does that make and how much credit are you giving to Hilt. Be sensible

This is the post that sells me on your case. I've seen people get roles that they couldn't figure out a playstyle for, and I think it's very plausible that you're going through the same.

I also like what Bed picked out of the flavour, about the Bremen Mask, although it's hardly relevant.



Bolded is what I don't like about this post. Your 1) is absolutely a valid scenario; Swiss was the NK target and got abducted. But in your 2), you've made the conclusion that it's a duality; if Swiss wasn't the NK target, then he's mafia, which is false.

For the record, here's the split as I see it:

1) Swiss is town and was NK target but abduction stopped that from happening.
2) Swiss was mafia and got abducted, which led him to not make a kill.
3) Swiss is whatever, and some protection role saved the NK target.

As a result, I feel like you're pushing an agenda of mafia!Swiss and have been all of D3. Which fits better with you being mafia, actually, since you'd be pushing the idea that there are less active mafia than there actually are.

To begin, your 3 is valid, your 2 is not. One mafia being abducted would not stop a nightkill. That said, you are correct that I missed the condition "Swiss is mafia, was abducted, and another person who was targeted by mafia was saved by a doctor-type role." As I already said, it wasn't something I had thought much about; my focus is on finding the abductor and scum concerns take a back burner.

Criticize me for this if you like but to me it makes the most sense to eliminate the threat that is most easily eliminated AND would also benefit from us eliminating our other threat, thus creating a larger threat for us. While I recognize the possibility that abductor may also kidnap mafia, they will be released upon our lynching of the abductor and we will be back in danger. Therefore, abductor must be first priority, with everything else being a secondary concern until he is eliminated.

Furthermore, I just said I'm not sure what Swiss' alignment is - I did no such advocating for the idea that there are fewer mafia active.

Is this the only thing that has caught your attention about me?

 

[-Vocal-]

EBWOP: I wrote my last post as I sit in my writing seminar, pausing every so often to look at the teacher and actually look like I care what he's saying atm. As such, I misplaced a thought I had in between writing spurts; the second paragraph under my quote of Nabe should be at the end of my response to OS.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

To begin, your 3 is valid, your 2 is not. One mafia being abducted would not stop a nightkill.

...

Is this the only thing that has caught your attention about me?

That must be a difference in GMing here, then. Where I play, the mafia decides among themselves which of them will make the kill, meaning a roleblocker or similar stopping role could potentially block the kill.

Not the only thing, no. Your play throughout the game has been interesting, and a couple times what I thought were scumslips were just badtownery. I like X1's 447, like I've said, and FF had some interesting notes. I'm not going to pull 50 pages worth of quotes if that's what you're looking for, not with deadline a day away.

 

[X1-12]

^in my experience, it varies from mod to mod, in my experience of smashboards there's no set order for night actions nor is there a rule about roleblocking and whether it stops kills when multiple scum are alive

 

[Overswarm]

So is it safe to say you see Vocal as a mafia candidate, more than an abductor candidate? I'm inclined to agree with the idea that Vocal might have been fed some of his lines.

OS, what's the most recent game you've completed? Bonus points if there's a somewhat recent game where you were scum and you think you performed well.

Community Mafia :B

 

[Overswarm]

It is quiet from Flame and Adumbrodeus.

And Sir Bed.

 

[X1-12]

@Nabe: Did you not realise OS had played scum and won in community recently from what we were talking about at the start of the thread?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@Nabe: Did you not realise OS had played scum and won in community recently from what we were talking about at the start of the thread?

I did, but then I looked for Community and couldn't find the thread, so I thought maybe it was a private game. Must've missed it, because I see now that it's linked in the Archive thread.

So is it safe to say you see Vocal as a mafia candidate, more than an abductor candidate? I'm inclined to agree with the idea that Vocal might have been fed some of his lines.

That bit's addressed to you.

FF, have we heard from you about who you think is specifically mafia yet?

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Holy burst of activity batman.

Was a national holiday here yesterday so was busy doing stuff related to that. Mad behind now and its 5 AM here. Legit stuff up tomorrow no johns.

X1 somehow you still haven't answered this straight up but wtf were you getting at in this post: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11451782&postcount=622

Like explain everything behind this please, really want to hear the explanation.