Majora's Mask Mafia | Game Over!

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Ninja'd by Nabe:

Yes, you have.

My top two scum picks are Bed and Adum. Vocal is my top abductor read.

You can pretty much find where I stand on the whole cast on in my first big post of the game after replacing.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

FF: say hypothetically, Vocal were lynched and flipped mafo. How would your reads shift?

 

[X1-12]

Apologies

If I had to place all my bets right now, I would say Adum/Vocal scumteam and FF slot as abductor. Any of those three could easily be the abductor though.

I can best put at as those are the three most likely anti-town players with Vocal being the most likely anti-town. Even though Vocal is not the most likely abductor he is most likely anti-town so should go first. Abductor is highest priority but I'd rather hit someone who's likely Mafia but could be Abductor, rather than lynching someone who is likely Abductor, but could be Mafia OR Town.

Hope thats clear enough :/

@FF:

I got abductor vibes from Pierre, thats all I can say, his level of activity seemed to be that kind of not legit lurky inactivity. Indies have to live to acheive their wincon and his play seemed to suggest that what he was going for. Most of it was gut reads so I can't explain any more. When I said 'lets go for the abductor' I was saying 'I think Pierre is the abductor'

 

[X1-12]

hm I think some people are excluding possibilities here

1.) 1 abductor + 1 SK: I checked and rules do not confirm the presence of a mafia faction which they sometimes do, Hilt's only other game did not have that rule either but it would be unecessary there as it was an open set-up. no help there then.

2.) mafia abductor + other mafia role, its possible 1 of those can kill and 1 can abduct, perhaps adbuctor abducted buddy for WIFOM/distancing (unlikely I know) or just there was a doc save

3.) 2 mafia + abductor: most you guys seem to default accept that, @OS: how balanced in general is a 2v1v8 set-up? I'll do some of my own reading on it too but I want your opinion on it.


OK I suspect based on mainly roxy's flip we may have flavour based alignment e.g those with evil characters are mafia aligned, I'm not advocating a massclaim or anything as scum may well have safe claims, but this may help you think overNight after we see another flip

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Alright.

Vote: Vocal

If Vocal doesn't flip anti-town at this point, I'd be shocked. Of course, a mislynch at this stage of the game leaves town open to a loss if 2/2 scum are still in play and abductor doesn't abduct a scum, or in the same 2scum situation if the abductor doesn't die and release two town. 3 scum total is unlikely with a third party, unless the abductor is scum with an ability.

P.S. does the mafia ever have abilities around here, and if so, are they something complex, or simple like godfather or bulletproof?

Regardless, Vocal is a safe lynch, imo.

 

[Overswarm]

Unlikely but I really don't want to lose because the moon kills us all ¬¬ I know hilt hasn't directly mentioned it but the use of "Dawn of the Third Day" etc just caught my attention.

Haha, wow. That would suck. I doubt it though, as it'd be impossible for anyone to win but the Moon

(I jsut started playing Majoras Mask for the first time at my girlfriend's request)


I'm feeling a bit confused with this Vocal/Adumb/FF circle. Calling someone an abductor just seems like a really safe claim to me, like a mafia member (or even abductor) could get someone lynched solely for activity purposes.

Flame, you live in Japan, correct?

I don't know enough about Pierre to judge his activity, but I know he was replaced. That's a big deal when you're saying "Pierre's activity reminded me of abductor play", especially when it's someone we don't have strong meta on.


Deadline is tomorrow, and I'm down with a Vocal lynch for toDay. Tomorrow could have only three or 4 people, and that would be less than desireable to have Vocal along for the ride, I think. He'd be too easy of a target then and a last minute wagon now is not something I'd want to see.


I'm leaving for work to pick up my lady. I'd like to hear more from Adumbrodeus before the day ends. Be careful about putting Vocal at L-1, we still know very little about Frozen Flame and I'm feeling at a loss on both Sir Bedevere and Adumbrodeus.

 

[X1-12]

there's no telling, in games I've been in over the last like 2 weeks if seen

Yakuza
Janitor
Bus Driver
PR investigator
Recruiter
Tailor

but also seen roleblocker/godfather etc

 

[Overswarm]

leaving work*

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

So X1, your Abductor read on FF has nothing to do with 410? That is to say, the post where Pierre came out with the possibility that Dan was missing because of an abductor?

 

[X1-12]

Nope: I've heard that 90% the time the person who first mentions a role they mention their own role, however I'm not too sure about how true that is, nor do I beleive Pierre would fall into something like that

 

[-Vocal-]

Nabe, you don't have to quote 50 pages.

Just post two. Two quote that you had a problem with, and explain your reasoning. It seems to me like you're just throwing your weight behind the player who had the most support for a lynch on him.

 

[Sir Bedevere]

Vocal, Sir Bedevere:

You two have been at each other's throats for a while now, and painfully clear about it.

Yet neither of you vote for one another.

Why is this?

I'd agree with Vocal being at mine, but I haven't really though ill of Vocal until recently. We've disagreed on points (mostly about him thinking I'm scum lol), yes, but aside from my noobtown read, I never really had that strong of an opinion on him until FF made that case on him. So, the only reason I wasn't voting him toDay from before (as I explained at the bottom of my last post) is I wasn't sure who to go for between FF and Vocal, but I'm leaning Vocal now. Except I'm also not voting him now, because I'm pretty sure he's at L-1 and ending the Day when I want to do a bit of rereading seems bad lol.

do not understand why you asked this question

I pray to god that my role would at least provide someone with my alignment - if it did not, why would such a worthless role exist at all? A person who plays music but doesn't know if someone comes to see him and gives no information at all to his visitors? How much sense does that make and how much credit are you giving to Hilt. Be sensible

Well, it'd make sense if you're not a music-playing VT, but an abductor that plays music as a way of telling other people that something is going on with that person. Seems more sensible than a VT that clears himself upon one visit.

Also making other targeting roles claim just to prove that you have this silly ability is extremely lol.

1.) 1 abductor + 1 SK

I'm looking through my old posts and I SWEAR I made a point of posting this suspicion I had. : ( This doesn't actually change much right now, though, since we're still hunting for indies.

Uh

Can anyone link the most recent game that adum was scum in that isn't Bad Idea Redux? Meta is kind of bad when all a person talks about is mechanics as adum did in Redux, and he did the same in MXC, so AHHHHH.

rereadin to confirm that we got this

 

[-Vocal-]

Jumping to random points in history to bring forward things I find interesting, but one thing I wanted to state before I make that long post:

I am certain that at least one, possibly two mafiates are riding the wave against me, and perhaps may have had a hand in creating it. This especially means you Nade - post what made you suspicious immediately.

 

[Sir Bedevere]

ISO on Vocal has done nothing to deter me.

I WANT to wait for adum and FF to post something (FF, you haven't responded to my stuff yet :<), but I won't reliably be able to make it home in time tomorrow to do so and hammer, which means if I'm hammering, I'm hammering tonight.

This means that either OS or adum will have to hammer if we want to wait for adum/FF to post, assuming they don't both make it online tonight. As OS said, we shouldn't be quick-lynching like yesterday (although this will be more of an extremely-delayed-but-still-on-time hammer ), so it might be better for me to just hammer tonight, I'm really not sure.

Will you two (OS/adum) be available to hammer at a time reasonably before 3PM tomorrow?

 

[-Vocal-]

Hand in hand with my last post and what I was getting at is pay attention to who is rallying to lynch me, where their support has previously lied, and what their connection to other players is.

Consider who you listen to carefully.

 

[Sir Bedevere]

^that's mafia lol

guess I'm waiting on adum/FF/Vocal now x.x

/leaves for a while

 

[-Vocal-]

And IGNORE Sir Bed. He's certainly one of the mafia taking advantage of this flurry of activity. You even voted for him just last Night - why are you going to let a mafiate lead your decision?

Also, Nade: HOW is everyone else playing a more townie game than me? Do you even believe Sir Bed to be townier than me?

Still working on this long post. Analyzing an entire game is slow work, even while skimming :/

 

[-Vocal-]

Sir Bed shut up. I wish we had lynched you for real last night because as much doubt people had in you before, just by human nature people will be affected by your postings.

Another thing I must say : guys, I HAVE A ROLE THAT CAN POTENTIALLY PROVE THAT I AM TOWN! No one else has this, so why should I be targeted even above other concerns? If no one visits me ToNight and there is no proof that I am townie then just lynch me first thing Tomorrow (as I do have the real concern that the person who could check has been abducted) but it simply is not logical to lynch someone who may possibly be able to prove his innocence over someone who can do no such thing. Use your minds and do not let mafia sway your opinion - we can be sure that at least two of them are here, and how many people are gunning for me right now?

 

[-Vocal-]

Still working on that long post btw

 

[X1-12]

Still working on that long post btw

1.) telling people to shut up makes you look like flailing scum, plus that **** never works

2.) you have a role that:

A) We don't know if its real
B) doesn't confirm you as town, yes sometimes roles are just like that
C) requires the outing of a PR to confirm and STILL likely as not won't confirm your alignment

 

[X1-12]

EBWOP: dunno why that quotes there, ignore it

 

[-Vocal-]

Another thought sprouting from my reading:

Adumb has never thrown his weight around. Multiple times I have noted that he does not vote often. This strikes me as someone who simply does not care who gets lynched - the attitude of an abductor. By hanging back and waiting for a strong case to arise against someone else, he is able to remain inconspicuous and then add his support to lynching a person once a movement has started towards them. Whether the person ends up being mafia or town is insignificant - if anyone gets lynched at all then it would be a benefit to him, giving him incentive to sit back. It also keeps people from wanting to lynch him.

Unvote Vote: Adumb

He was already on my list and this is a stronger read than what I have on FF.

Still reading, still finding things of note to bring forward.

 

[-Vocal-]

@X1: Addressing that in my long post coming soon.

 

[-Vocal-]

@X1: Oh wait nvm, I actually already posted my thoughts on that. There is a definite chance that I have this role and a definite chance that it can prove my innocence. What is lost by not lynching me tonight and lynching me tomorrow? I at the very least offer an opportunity to discover an alignment without the need of a lynch - no other prospect offers this, so why should I be the main target?

Also, what would I have to gain from claiming such an odd role? If no one confirms my alignment, then i'm a guaranteed lynch tomorrow, so why would I say such a thing if it were not true? If I were abductor I'd just lose and if I was mafia then I'd be harming my entire team.

 

[X1-12]

W-W-WIFOM


anyone get the feeling he's being told things like 'distance youself from me' by adum but he's making a terrible job of it? But at the same time trying desperately to live to toMorrow makes him look just like an indy?

 

[-Vocal-]

Hi X1. Post before you leave, if you weren't planning to already

 

[-Vocal-]

HOW IS THIS EVEN WIFOM!!!!! WHY DO I WIFOM SO MUCH!!!!! OH MY ****ING GOD X1 I HATE YOU SO ****ING MUCH!!!!!

And it's really ****ing frustrating because in the course of reading so far I no longer think you're scum. I still ****ing hate you.

Side note: Adumb isn't even active right now, if you care to look at it from that angle. My reasoning on adumb is in no way linked to the mob against me right now, aside from the fact that I've gone back to read everything.

 

[X1-12]

hurr durr.

 

[-Vocal-]

Hey vocal, you know what's a good idea? Not putting words in other people's mouths. That's what I do as scum. It works great!

If you're a townie though, it screws people over royally. So stop it.

Sounds like what a lot of people have been doing to me lately

This is as far as I have gotten in my reading so far, still need to go through the rest of the thread

 

[-Vocal-]

I almost just want to quit this game just so I don't have to read X1's posts anymore.

Maybe it's just a playstyle but whatever it is it's ****ing annoying, especially since I'm the only one who's ever been his target. **** feels personal.

FYI this is just emotion, not AtE. Not meant to sway your opinion on anything. Just me venting.

 

[-Vocal-]

Other thing: Nade, I want to know when your role is going to be useful. It's been two days and Dastrn said he had nothing of worth to offer of worth, so I want to know when this is going to change.

 

[X1-12]

OH MY ****ING GOD X1 I HATE YOU SO ****ING MUCH!!!!!

To quote my hubby

"And I was just thinking I need new sig"

 

[X1-12]

epic ninja's


you srsly need to seperate the game and your emotions. Leave your emotions at your keyboard (life advice)

 

[X1-12]

HOW IS THIS EVEN WIFOM!!!!! WHY DO I WIFOM SO MUCH!!!!! OH MY ****ING GOD X1 I HATE YOU SO ****ING MUCH!!!!!

And it's really ****ing frustrating because in the course of reading so far I no longer think you're scum. I still ****ing hate you.

It's just a game. Try to have fun, but don't prevent others from enjoying themselves as well.

@MOD: Request -Vocal- Modkill

Should he be not town aligned: Request: Deadline Extention

 

[X1-12]

EBWOP: change 'should he be not town aligned'

to

'should the Day continue after his modkill'

 

[X1-12]

Whoever the invisible is, posting now would be nice

 

[-Vocal-]

Additional question towards Nade: Dastrn said the role was cumulatively useful - care to elaborate on that?

On page 10 out of 20, 40ppp. Hopefully I'll get to 15 by the time my class ends

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Additional question towards Nabe: Dastrn said the role was cumulatively useful - care to elaborate on that?

Er, could I have a quote? Can't say I remember that, and it seems like an odd thing for him to have said.

 

[-Vocal-]

I also thought of really cool ways to build a separate game around balancing this ability to it would actually be useful immediately, instead of just cumulatively.

So

Other thing: Nade, I want to know when your role is going to be useful. It's been two days and Dastrn said he had nothing of worth to offer of worth, so I want to know when this is going to change.

Please address both now.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

And IGNORE Sir Bed. He's certainly one of the mafia taking advantage of this flurry of activity. You even voted for him just last Night - why are you going to let a mafiate lead your decision?

Also, Nabe: HOW is everyone else playing a more townie game than me? Do you even believe Sir Bed to be townier than me?

Sir Bed as a mafo? Ehhhhhh.

For one, if he were "taking advantage of the flurry of activity", he'd probably be trying to post more than he has.

And if you're making it a matter of Bed v. you, I have to point out that you're asking for a PR to target you tonight, and claim tomorrow to prove your innocence. Now, not only does that plan force a PR to claim, but it also makes every PR say "hey, am I the one who should be targeting Vocal tonight, or will someone else do it?" In effect, you're asking every player with an ability to target you tonight, worst case scenario. Best case, someone with a role claims tonight and we get to hmm and hah about whether they're scum, assuming they don't die.