Alright folks, FF is now officially in this game.
I'll start with the direct questions:
adumbro via Praxis said:
1. what are your current reads? whats your analysis of the overswarm wagon? what do you think of swiss?
Reads:
1. X1-12: Nullest read. Been spending a lot of time trying to figure him out.
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11451782&postcount=622 caught my eye and I'm wondering exactly what he meant here. What exactly were you trying to assert X-1? I agree that the abductor should be our primary target for reasons I will soon detail, but I want to know exactly what you were trying to say here.
2. -Vocal- : Impulsive, emotional, and somewhat childish I would say. He's been saying ridiculously impulsive things, asking strange or downright bad questions, and missing very obvious suggestions from players all game. It's like he has this innocence that makes him seem like a lost child, but not a very intelligent one. Right now I have him in the dumb town category since I have trouble beleiving his potential scum mates would just give him free reign like this but I haven't discounted the possibility. Def. do not want him in lylo though.
3. Adumbrodeus - Neutralish, leaning scum. He's carried this really passive aggressive, "omg everything people have attacked me with is so stupid" attitude for most of the game. He hasn't been aggro on the offensive, but when people have attacked him he comes off as slightly frustrated which disrupts the kind of cool confidence and more passive offense that he normally carries. It really isn't too unusual for adum to be so dismissive of others' opinions and attacks and brush them away as "dumb" in that sort of manner, but he also tends to be more aggro offensively for the same reason. Not only will he call people out for how "dumb" or bad their attacks are when they attack him, but he tends to base a lot of his offensive stances with these types of criticisms, and I don't see this congruence in this game. It just seems off.
4. Overswarm - Town. He's been way to straight forward and distant to be scum.
Perhaps indy but not really sold on that. His dealings with Vocal and Swiss have thoroughly convinced me he isn't scum. He treated Vocal like an annoying, clingy child. When Vocal didn't even understand OS's underhanded jabs at him and OS just pretty much facepalmed and laid it all out for him, that didn't seem like scum OS at all. I see scum OS toying with Vocal more, trying to trap him, not just being like "omg this kid is so dumb I can't believe it" and just pushing himself away from him just because he didn't want to deal with him. His attitude wasn't manipulative at all, it was just more like "wow this kid is so weird I don't even wanna deal with him". As for his dealing with Swiss, I definitely cannot see them being scum partners, that's for sure. The exchange reminds me of how I treated Tom is mafia barhouse with me being like Swiss and OS like Tom. I was paranoid as **** and was constantly gnawing at Tom's ankles for really no good reason. Tom was really nonchalant about it and was pretty much just like "dude, get off my *** its annoying and you have no good reason to be doing it and you know it." OS is carrying a similar type of attitude, which again, is significantly unmanipulative. He pretty much calls out Swiss for being paranoid and tells him to chill out, instead of taking the attack and turning it into a potential scumtell, or at least initiating discussion about it's
[potential of being one. These are chances to undermine credibility that I don't see scum OS passing up at all.
5. Sir Bedevere: Scummy. Big time. Haven't really put posts together to make a comprehensive case yet, but it's all sorts of little things that just add up, from contradictions to weird exclamations to just the general tone of his posts. Like this pair of posts for example especially caught my interest:
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11425071&postcount=567
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11425519&postcount=568
Literally back to back, Bedivere poses two contradictory stances on my playerslot. In 567, he says Pierre would likely flip town if he was modkilled. Then in the very next post, he says he has Pierre as a scumread with OS and adum. Wat?
Beyond that, I have a hard time believing the scumlist in 568 is genuine, and not just a list of people him and his potential buddies are cool with lynching. I'd be interested in hearing exactly how he reached the conclusion that my playerslot, OS, and adum were a likely scum team, because I have a
really hard time seeing the line of thought that brings one to that conclusion.
And then this post made my head spin too, all sorts of bad:
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11384737&postcount=415
6. FrozenFlame: 10/10 Town, would buddy again. =D
7. Dastrn: Not especially active so not really much to go on. Especially don't like his unwarranted defensiveness when it comes to explaining his inactivity. You have a life an a family or whatever. we get it. The fact that he feels the need to go ahead and explain how much more important his real life is than this game, and how he feels the need to like super-justify in a "I don't care what you guys think, I have my priorities" type of a attitude just rubs me the wrong way. Seems like the kind of attitude a frustrated anti-town player might have as a projection of their own frustration with themselves, and their inability to be active to the point where they stop drawing all sorts of attention and criticism as a result of it. So yeah, sorta leaning scummy here but really muddled read.
Overswarm Wagon & Swiss:
Like I said when I discussed my read on OS, I really feel like Swiss was just a misguided townie who was just paranoid as **** about OS and didn't like how non-nonchalant of an attitude he [OS] was carrying. I personally find Swiss really hard to read because his attitude is just so naturally scummy I can never tell when he's being genuine or just ****ing with people. With that said, I don't feel like his attack on OS was one he would make as scum. He didn't really put in any effort at all to undermine OS's credibility, nor did he really do much to make himself look more credible. He was attacking based on gut, but didn't exactly have the gall to say it. He definitely believed in his attack though, that much I can tell. OS calls him out for the gut attack and Swiss kind of reluctantly accepts it (since he didn't really do much to hide it, he just didn't want to admit it from the get go) but still sticks with the read. Reminds me a lot of myself in Barhouse as I mentioned and just screams paranoid townie.
The wagon itself I need to do some more reading to flesh out. With it being started my a paranoid read and impulsive action, I think it would be an easy wagon for anti-towns to take advantage of, especially with a pretty townie looking OS on the chopping block that I'm sure any anti-town players would be eager as hell to get rid of if they could do it cleanly and easily. I'll no doubt get back to you with better analysis once I figure out what the situation is there for myself.
Sir B said:
Do you see any possible connections between Swiss and OS? Note in particular Swiss' last few posts, as well as their general interactions together toDay.
What do you think of adum? In particular, is his play different from how it normally is?
Do you think my read of DanGR as town is accurate? Why do you think no one else has really commented on it?
Also, who's scum? (omg 1uping you adum)
Swiss/OS I've covered already, as well as adum and my scum reads in my general reads section.
As for this DanGR deal, can you link me to exactly where you established your read on DanGR? I'll need to know what post you are referring to if you want me to tell you why I think it was ignored since post made in proximity to it are very important in that regard.
That pretty much covers where I'm at so far.
Regarding the abductor in general, he should be our primary target. Not only is he bad for us townies because he's essentially another kill every night, but he also potentially provides any scum he abducts free passes to late game, assuming we get him before he meets his wincon. The earlier we get the abductor, we obviously have the benefit of having an anti-town role out of the game, and one less "NK" to deal with, but we also prevent him from giving scum potential free passes to the later stages of the game without ever having to contribute, and thus, give town connections to work with. Abductors are a seriously bad deal. Figuring out who's our problem child here pronto should be a top priority.
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Just...unsure of what to say. I guess I'm just learning how I should scum hunt better?