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[Overswarm]

Which part?

I know, that's why I said they were only suspicions. There's nothing solid there to go off of, but it just felt scummy tbh. I could be wrong, no denying that, I just figured I'd share what was going through my mind.

"Sharing" and saying "HA! I'll put OS at L-1 without a case" is different. Anyone can hammer me at this point and end the day, which would not be good.

You vote for "pressure" and to lynch scum. I have received no pressure or questioning in any way. I just gave the opportunity directly to Swiss, and he failed tremendously to gather any information.

Well

^

Pressure? Give the game some direction until something more pertinent appears? Doing something is better than doing nothing...right?

I could remove my vote if you think that would be more productive

Yes, remove your vote.

Hurr durr

Who are your scumbuddies?

How big is my grin?

I don't have any scum buddies, and you aren't grinning.

Here's two questions for you:

Do you think I'm town, indie, or mafia?

Why do you think Sir Bed is voting for me?

We are NOT gonna unvote and let OS slip away, that's what he DOES. Srsly. He likes tobe the play early and feck off so he doesn't get lynched.

And a third:

How, exactly, did I make myself the play toDay?

You posted that you had a gut feeling, told X1 to parrot you (he did), Bed said "this wagon is fun", and then Vocal voted me. I didn't have any part in any of that.

The only accusations you've had on me either

A) don't apply

B) apply to you directly as well

C) don't make any sense

or some combination thereof.



I'm having trouble seeing you as anyone but scum pushing a mislynch. If you flip town, this has to be the worst town play I've ever seen.

 

[Swiss]

If I'm town I'm dumb? K.

I really hope you flip scum btw.

 

[-Vocal-]

Swiss, did you ever answer me about what your reasons for suspecting OS were?

 

[Swiss]

I've said why I know he's scum. Part meta part doing exactly what I thought OverScum would do if he were scum pre game.

Happy to be copped or w/e tonight to assure I didn't bus him.

 

[Swiss]

And obv his play doesn't match up with pro townie imo, but that goes without saying.

How he let the Roxy lynch happen if he were town is beyond me. Utterly beyond me.

 

[Overswarm]

And obv his play doesn't match up with pro townie imo, but that goes without saying.

How he let the Roxy lynch happen if he were town is beyond me. Utterly beyond me.

You were on the lynch.

Roxy died because Vocal hammered him before he claimed.

I actively attempted to trick Roxy into claiming before he was actually L-1 and Roxy did not.

Roxy deliberately acted in an anti-town way thinking it would have been the best way to use his ability.

How did I "let" the lynch happen? How did I let it happen more than you, who voted after me? How did I let it happen more than Bed, who was the very first person on the Roxy wagon?



This wagon is obviously bogus. You "hope" I flip scum? You "know" I'm scum based on how you thought I would act pre-game?

Have you even read my other scum games? I've acted different in every one of them. The only thing that I share in common amongst multiple games is my bussing of bad partners.

You're floundering, Swiss. You've got nothing.

What's your real reason for being on this wagon?

vote Sir Bedevere

 

[-Vocal-]

Pierre makes me extremely uncomfortable for how quiet he is.

Swiss, I can't tell if you're trying to force reactions or genuinely believe OS is scum, but it really seems like you're trying for no reason.

 

[Overswarm]

Vocal, would you mind unvoting me? I'm a bit uncomfortable being at L-1. Feel free to add it back on to me later should Swiss step his game up and post reasoning if you agree with, but for now I might like to not be one accidental (or on purpose) vote from being lynched.

@mod request votecount so someone doesn't lynch me by accident -_-;;

Pierre's last activity was yesterday at 1:47 p.m.

 

[X1-12]

you're at L-2

I unvoted to vote Vocal

 

[-Vocal-]

Vocal, would you mind unvoting me? I'm a bit uncomfortable being at L-1. Feel free to add it back on to me later should Swiss step his game up and post reasoning if you agree with, but for now I might like to not be one accidental (or on purpose) vote from being lynched.

@mod request votecount so someone doesn't lynch me by accident -_-;;

Pierre's last activity was yesterday at 1:47 p.m.

I don't feel a need to.

Those with votes on you: Me, Swiss, X1, Sir Bed

Those without: Adumb, OS, Dastrn, Pierre

You obviously aren't going to vote for yourself. If Adumb were going to vote for you he would have before I did. That leaves Dastrn and Pierre, neither of which I see voting for you.

Though counting did make me realize something unfortunate; by missing Dan, whom I believe to be town at the moment, and by losing two townies last night, mafia is holding a significant amount of voting power right now :/

Taking that into account

Unvote: OS

 

[X1-12]

I'm not voting OS, feel free to put that back on

 

[Overswarm]

Wait until votecount is posted.

At that point, do what you feel is right.


X1-12, I feel like I already know the answer to this, but in the light of complete disclosure:

Why did you originally follow Swiss' wagon without questioning me?

 

[X1-12]

When I don't know what to do I pick a player and follow + pressure wagon. An opportunity presented itself, either way Swiss is my go to guy for mafia things

 

[Overswarm]

When I don't know what to do I pick a player and follow + pressure wagon. An opportunity presented itself, either way Swiss is my go to guy for mafia things

Pretty much what I expected.

Sir Bed is still the only one I don't quite fully understand. I'm hesitant to call him scum at the moment, and am awaiting posts from adumbrodeus, dastrn, and pierre before continuing.

X1-12, why did you vote Vocal?

Vocal, do you think X1-12's strategy of "follow a strong player" is inherently scummy, knowing he's parroted Swiss in a variety of games?

 

[X1-12]

X1-12, why did you vote Vocal?

Did you not see my post with lots of quotes of him explaining why he's not as noob as he looks, thus solving the dumb vs scum arguement?

 

[Overswarm]

Did you not see my post with lots of quotes of him explaining why he's not as noob as he looks, thus solving the dumb vs scum arguement?

I prefer outright statements from the beginning when giving a line of questioning.


So you're saying Vocal is better than he's letting on. Omni did this in his first game, I did it in mine in TMNT mafia, it works pretty well early on.


I'm assuming you think Vocal is scum by playing dumb.

Do you think Vocal's "accidental" hammer wasn't accidental?

Do you think Vocal is allied with Swiss, Sir Bedevere, or yourself, seeing as how he was on my wagon?

 

[X1-12]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11392398&postcount=447


^please read.

Assuming he's not indy abductor (possible) he's teamed with atleast one of OS, Swiss, Adum, Pierre. I'm leaning towards Adum

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Day Two Vote Count
[2] Overswarm: Swiss, Sir Bedevere
[1] X1-12: Pierre The Scarecrow
[2] Sir Bedevere: Dastrn, Overswarm
[1] Vocal: X1-12

[2] Not Voting: -Vocal-, Adumbrodeus

Day two will end October 21st at 3:00 PM.
With eight players remaining it takes five votes to lynch

 

[-Vocal-]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11392398&postcount=447


^please read.

Assuming he's not indy abductor (possible) he's teamed with atleast one of OS, Swiss, Adum, Pierre. I'm leaning towards Adum

Then read this

So...assuming there's three mafia, they can already make the majority of a vote...so all they need is two townies to cooperate.

I take back what I said earlier. I would now consider Swiss more scum than anyone else. He's extremely hard to read, but he's been on every single wagon thus far.

Day One Vote Count
[5] X1-12: DanGR, Pierre the Scarecrow, Swiss, Overswarm, Vocal
[1] Vocal: X1-12

[5] Note Voting: Adumbrodeus, Pervatasaurus, JoanBud, J, Dastrn

Day One Vote Count
[2] X1-12: Pierre the Scarecrow, Overswarm
[3] Vocal: X1-12, DanGR, Swiss

[5] Note Voting: Adumbrodeus, Pervatasaurus, Sir Bedevere, J, Dastrn

Day One Vote Count
[1] X1-12: Pierre the Scarecrow
[2] Vocal: X1-12, DanGR
[4] Roxy: Sir Bedevere, Overswarm, Swiss, Vocal
[1]DanGR: Dastrn

[3] Note Voting: Adumbrodeus, Pervatasaurus, BSL

Day Two Vote Count
[3] Overswarm: Swiss, X1-12, Sir Bedevere
[1] X1-12: Pierre The Scarecrow

[4] Not Voting: -Vocal-, Adumbrodeus, Overswarm, Dastrn

The last one he started himself, but even still this pattern makes me double take.

Vote: Swiss

I also don't like how Adumb isn't voting for anything ever. Everyone else has voted in a direction at least once (save for Roxy, may he rest in peace), and it just makes me uncomfortable that he's taking such a passive role with his voting abilities.

 

[X1-12]

I also don't like how Adumb isn't voting for anything ever. Everyone else has voted in a direction at least once (save for Roxy, may he rest in peace), and it just makes me uncomfortable that he's taking such a passive role with his voting abilities.

OK this is undeniably Vocal playing the noobcard. I'm just about to address his 'defence'

 

[X1-12]

Wheeee defense time

Or not so interesting when we look back, and see that I actually initially removed my vote in order to keep a thing such as this from happening. Then my day went ****ty, people started calling me a bad player for removing my vote, and I said well sooooorry and voted again, really in too bad of a mood to count votes more than once to be sure.

This is bordering on AtE (Appeal to Emotion) either way its not a solid defence as there's no way we can check this and there's no reason we should beleive you

You think that just because I'm noobtown that I'm entirely devoid of all logical reasoning capabilities? I go to an Ivy League school man, give me some credit.

I may not be familiar with the nuances of extracting information and tells from other players, and hence my methods have been less than stellar, but something like this requires no specific knowledge of mafia mindgames. The most important thing for town to do after a nk is to look at who was killed and explore mafia's motives for going for that person. From there, they then look at previous posts to see if a connection can be made to discern one or more of the mob. By nightkilling a player with no ties to anyone, mafia gives town nothing to go off of - it's basically a null tell lynch. This is also why towards the middle of D1 I advocated so hard that we wait for those who had not been posting to begin to contribute; because they had few ties, it simply made them too easy of a lynch, not to mention it gives no point of reference if one of them were to be mafia.

If you are capable of logical reasoning to say you would have NK'ed BSL as scum you are definitely capable of deducting which questions would gain useful information for town, rather than just asking random ones.

Firstly, I made the mistake before of becoming uncomfortable with things and then immediately jumping into action. This time around, I'm taking a less direct approach - I feel it is better to let information and tells come more naturally than by trying to create them with sheer force. I know what I am doing, and I would prefer to not detail my every move, as that would defeat the purpose of refraining from attack. In addition, as the point had already been brought up, although it post was addressed to adumb I felt that it would be constructive to give my opinion of it as well.

Chill out bro. Have some coffee. Wait for everyone to wake up - we've got plenty of day ahead of us.

Sorry what? I asked you why you answered the question I specifically asked Adum, and you reply with this? The last line I really don't like either.

 

[X1-12]

OK this is undeniably Vocal playing the noobcard. I'm just about to address his 'defence'

EBWOP: The 'rest in peace' bit is what I was talking about

 

[Swiss]

Vocal, I've been on 'wagons'. What's your point?

I started the X1 wagon as well the OS one btw. Try lookin' at the play, why was I on the wagons? Arbitrary.

Gawd, you can't expect people to wagon me if you don't present a case.

OS look deep into my eyes and tell me what I wanna hear. You tear me up inside.

 

[-Vocal-]

OK this is undeniably Vocal playing the noobcard. I'm just about to address his 'defence'

I make corny jokes all the time, tis what I do.

That reminds me: the Oli social needs more bad puns.

This is bordering on AtE (Appeal to Emotion) either way its not a solid defence as there's no way we can check this and there's no reason we should beleive you

Actually there is a way. That's why I said that someone should visit me last night. If no one did, then they could ToNight - I invite it, unless there is someone that needs a visit more urgently.

If you are capable of logical reasoning to say you would have NK'ed BSL as scum you are definitely capable of deducting which questions would gain useful information for town, rather than just asking random ones.

No. Because no.

Not good enough reasoning? Fine - because because no.

There is a fundamental difference between these two problems.

One asks "Which of these 10 choices would draw the least attention to me?" This gives you only 10 options, and you can weight the advantages and disadvantages of each choice against one another.

The other asks "How can I cause another player who is thinking about what my intentions may be to draw attention to himself?" Instead of 10 options, I am given an open-ended question that requires an understanding of how to properly elicit reactions in another person.

"Which"

"How"

Two very different types of reasoning.

Sorry what? I asked you why you answered the question I specifically asked Adum, and you reply with this? The last line I really don't like either.

You posted something. I gave an opinion on what you posted. ZOMG- oh wait. So I'm not supposed to talk about things? I truly don't know what you're getting at here - could you explain what in particular is wrong with this response?

The last line was because at that time I was still waiting to see what Sir Bed's response to OS would be, as at that time I already suspected the two.

 

[X1-12]

*sniff sniff*

 

[-Vocal-]

Vocal, I've been on 'wagons'. What's your point?

I started the X1 wagon as well the OS one btw. Try lookin' at the play, why was I on the wagons? Arbitrary.

Gawd, you can't expect people to wagon me if you don't present a case.

OS look deep into my eyes and tell me what I wanna hear. You tear me up inside.

My point is that you've been on more wagons than any other person. The fact that your presence was arbitrary seems unimportant to me - you could easily place a vote hoping that a legitimate reason to vote for that person would arise, your vote would already be counted, and the hammer vote would be someone else's problem.

 

[-Vocal-]

*sniff sniff*

You've lost me.

 

[X1-12]

You've lost me.

It smells like bull****

 

[Dastrn]

unvote

I don't remember where my vote is currently, but I like Vocal right now, and his case on Swiss. There's no reason to ride EVERY wagon unless you're simply in this game to kill indiscriminately.

vote: Swiss

 

[Swiss]

I don't care if greenie ain't here to carry you. That's bad Das.

Gawd, OS/Adum/Das? Really? Srsly.

OS - ffs man

 

[Swiss]

What the doodoo is this?

What is this I don't even

 

[adumbrodeus]

Inandoutb4pplaskwhyi'veignoredeverythingelse

What question?

I'm dumb, I meant to address that to X1.

@everyone: Please answer X1's question, I'd like to see what he has in mind.

Adum, who do you think of those is most likely to be scum?

Looking at face value, the safer votes on the wagon seem the most likely, X1 passing it off as just parroting especially draws my interests and I don't like sir Bedevere's safe "gut read".

Vocal is still playing dumbtown.



I don't think Swiss is doing this as scum though, way too unsafe cause he makes himself an obvious lynch when you flip town, I think it's more likely he's a townie who thinks he's got a good read.

Noted, feel free to ignore it all then

New smilies are awesome

Gah, wrong answer, what you SHOULD be doing is explaining why they're scummy.

 

[-Vocal-]

It smells like bull****

HOW

TELL ME HOW

Geez

Vocal is still playing dumbtown.

I'm so dumb I'm fooling myself. Oh wait...no...wait...yes???

I've confused myself. **** me

I don't think Swiss is doing this as scum though, way too unsafe cause he makes himself an obvious lynch when you flip town, I think it's more likely he's a townie who thinks he's got a good read.

But that's just the thing - this is the first one that he's actually said he had a strong feeling for - all of the others were for arbitrary reasons, as he just stated.

Gah, wrong answer, what you SHOULD be doing is explaining why they're scummy.

I thought I already had with that long, long post?

The responses just seem canned and planned. Their whole chemistry just felt scummy, tbh, but since then I've mulled over OS's demeanor through the game and have decided to file this away for memory as opposed to use it to pursue a course of action.

 

[-Vocal-]

More on my reasons for suspecting Swiss' voting patterns:

But that's just the thing - this is the first one that he's actually said he had a strong feeling for - all of the others were for arbitrary reasons, as he just stated.

I'm quoting this because I don't want it lost in my multi-quote post.

 

[Overswarm]

This X1-12 and Vocal thing is changing my mind on things. I don't particularly think X1's play is flawless atm, but Vocal has been a bit erratic. Admittedly, I'm bad at dumb or scum scenarios.

This requires careful consideration.

 

[-Vocal-]

This X1-12 and Vocal thing is changing my mind on things. I don't particularly think X1's play is flawless atm, but Vocal has been a bit erratic. Admittedly, I'm bad at dumb or scum scenarios.

This requires careful consideration.

I've been no more erratic than Swiss, and while I've actually tried to make cases against people he's just moved his vote from wagon to wagon. Anyways, I'm still discovering how to play well, which explains the change in my behavior between the beginning of the game and now, but I'm trying a more stable and less distracting playstyle now.

 

[X1-12]

One asks "Which of these 10 choices would draw the least attention to me?" This gives you only 10 options, and you can weight the advantages and disadvantages of each choice against one another.

This is not the point, Its not hard to see who would draw less attention, instinct as scum is to kill the most pro-town player, not to kill the one who leaves least connections. The question is not as simple as you are making it out to be and choosing perfect scumkills is complex and involves many factors such as incrimination, pro-townness of player, player's connections, suspected PRs etc.

You posted something. I gave an opinion on what you posted. ZOMG- oh wait. So I'm not supposed to talk about things? I truly don't know what you're getting at here - could you explain what in particular is wrong with this response?

No, I asked ADUMBRODEUS: not you. Answering his questions is scummy

 

[-Vocal-]

This is not the point, Its not hard to see who would draw less attention, instinct as scum is to kill the most pro-town player, not to kill the one who leaves least connections. The question is not as simple as you are making it out to be and choosing perfect scumkills is complex and involves many factors such as incrimination, pro-townness of player, player's connections, suspected PRs etc.

But if there's one person who has absolutley no ties to anyone then that's a no brainer.

No, I asked ADUMBRODEUS: not you. Answering his questions is scummy

Are you kidding me!? Just because you address a topic to someone else, I'm considered scummy because I have an opinion and want to speak it?!? This is a terrible line of reasoning - please cease and desist immediately.

 

[X1-12]

But if there's one person who has absolutley no ties to anyone then that's a no brainer.

Thats not true, first scum though is allways killing the most pro-town player

Are you kidding me!? Just because you address a topic to someone else, I'm considered scummy because I have an opinion and want to speak it?!? This is a terrible line of reasoning - please cease and desist immediately.

No, If you didn't like it you should have waited will he answered then posted you're thoughts on it.

 

[-Vocal-]

Thats not true, first scum though is allways killing the most pro-town player




No, If you didn't like it you should have waited will he answered then posted you're thoughts on it.

1) I don't buy your logic. To me, nk should be used on the person who will give town the fewest clues. Maybe this is just my puny baby mafia mind, but I see killing a largely pro-town player and splooging semen across the walls, leaving fingerprints made with my own blood, and taping a picture of myself to the mirror if someone's smart enough to decipher it. Let's just kill the kid no one will notice

2) >.>

Show me where in the great big book of mafia that is a rule. Tell me how this is a stated fact of how a person should play. Give me proof that this is undeniably the only way to act in response to something.

Or just drop it already.