The Abductor is not a killing role. T-block should come back to the game if we kill the Abductor. And right now, I don't know what alignment the Abductor and Poisoner are, other than "not town." I suspect one of them is a member of the mafia.
But the poisoning and the abducting would have to happen at the same time in order to get the results we've seen. Poison kills its target the Night after it's used, so the poisoner must have targeted Solid N1, the same Night that T-block was abducted. The only way the Abductor and the Poisoner can be the same person is if that person can use both abilities on the same Night. That's an unlikely enough possibility that I dismiss it.
Maybe the poisoner/abductor can poison AND abduct, and the person who is poisoned on the abduction night dies the next night? And the abductor can only abduct one at a time or every other night?
I just don't think that X1 is weird enough to unbalance the setup by adding two detrimental to town indies, ya know?
I wasn't making an argument that you can't be Cop. I know how roles work, and I know you don't just get excluded from certain ones once you've had them several times.
However, since you have been Cop a couple times, I do know that you'd probably be pretty comfortable faking it if you had to fake a PR. Especially since you got to claim last. It's easy for scum to fake, you knew you wouldn't get CC'd, and you're familiar with how to play as Cop believably, since you've actually had to do it multiple times before (I bring this up because I've personally never been Cop in a mafia game).
Fair enough. I just thought it was bad that you were throwing that out there, and I didn't think it was a valid arguement.
WOW.
I understand why you're making this argument, because you have to double down on your claim now, but this is still absolutely ridiculous. Motivator's are traditionally town. It doesn't make any sense for a Motivator to be indie (I should think it obvious why), and a scum Motivator would, in almost any set-up, be broken, because they would just motivate their scummates. If T-block is a mafia Motivator, then the mafia team would have to be even more nerfed than we previously thought, and the fact that he targeted me to be motivated still wouldn't make any sense. Obviously I know I'm town. But even from an outside perspective, why would T-scum motivate me, even if I were his buddy? Why wouldn't he motivate the NK?
As previously stated, I did my homework and found that the NK is not influenced by motivation. I've also addressed any other problems with thinking of a scum motivator, so I'll move on.
I will, however, say that I am liking a Nabe lynch more than a Circus lynch right now, and that lynch would decide what I think of you.
I'm glad you concede the points.
Thank you. This is one of the better, more civil arguments that I've had in mafia, and it's a refreshing change of pace.
Yes, I am better than this, as you so helpfully keep reminding me. That's why this isn't the bulk of my argument against you, but icing on the cake instead. I don't expect anyone to be swayed by the flavor. It's there for taste, not for substance.
Fair enough. You just remind me of Iago from Othello, which I will expand on later since the bell's about to ring for lunch to end.
You investigate people and Nabe gets innos on people he survives behind. Nabe essentially has partial Cop abilities.
Fair enough. However, I'm starting to not believe Nabe's claim, so that's why I partially agree with you on how it clashes.
Dabuz is someone that needs to be analyzed depending on how other flips work out, I think. You apparently cleared Dabuz, though that can be called into question if you're actually scum, and Inferno apparently jailed Dabuz, which, itself, could explain the lack of a Night Kill on D1. But unlike Inferno, I would assume that he blocked Dabuz from killing, rather than protecting Dabuz from getting killed, because I can't figure why scum would have wanted Dabuz dead the most. Dabuz is also one of the many VT claims we have, and I gotta believe one of them's faking. I don't think Kuz is, and I don't think Red Ryu is, at this point. That leaves Dabuz and Acrostic.
Fair enough. I also believe that one of the VT's may be lying, but I'm more against you and Nabe's claims for the moment.
