Inferno3044
Smash Master
Yeah, from what I read today John needs to die. He keeps sounding scummier by each post he makes and he is not someone I would want later in the game.
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Majoras Mask Mafia! DGames' Longest Game Ends - Who Won?!?!?!?
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Kantrip
Kantplay
Why did you feel the need to reiterate that thought once again?
Also, why did you feel that I was trying to switch the wagon off of John?
You never actually gave a read of me.
Also, why did you feel that I was trying to switch the wagon off of John?
You never actually gave a read of me.
Chainsawception.
Inferno3044
Smash Master
I was talking about today as in I just woke up and read what people posted while I was asleep, not D2. As for the John wagon, I see you trying to get attention off of John and onto other people and I don't like it. It sounds like you're trying to keep pressure off of him and onto another, possibly town, player. So you're null leaning scum atm but that will probably change based on John's flip.
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Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
@Mod: My vote hasn't changed since this post.
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Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
No, what you needed to do was take a stance on something more specific than, "His claim was bad."
You just did.
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Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
This is actually L-1.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
unvote
I blame the mod.
I blame the mod.
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Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
Did you ever comment on Kantrip's case on me?
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Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
Actually, I remember you saying you agreed with it, never mind.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
I didn't get a whole **** load out of it, but D1 motivations were shown in a different light.
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Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
Right, thanks.
FYI we shouldn't hammer until Solid is back from V/LA, which should be toMorrow sometime.
FYI we shouldn't hammer until Solid is back from V/LA, which should be toMorrow sometime.
Fair enough. Satisfied now?
And yes, I did, but I suppose that I should have instead put "I won't make this the main subject of this." That's pretty much what I meant.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Because someone is inevitably going to ask:
My new avatar is a result of S2 turning my Skype avatar into a Probopass.
My new avatar is a result of S2 turning my Skype avatar into a Probopass.
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Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
Collapsed for brevity obviously.
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To explain further: in Pulp Fiction Mafia, J had an aggressive wagon led on him by another player (Ryker), and that Link gif played a large part in it. J was half-aggravated and half-amused by this behaviour. My use of it here was as a commentary on J's light-hearted strike-out, and the second was to his similar light-hearted attitude to hammering, which was an attitude that reminded me of Ryker's play in general.
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- How do you mean that this is close to bussing? I didn't reference Xastrn here, except to say that Circus didn't answer my question about OS.
- Circus being at L-1 wasn't dangerous, as I explained when questioned by OS.
- I didn't propose an OS lynch. My question was "Who would lynch OS at this juncture?" which is a question of players' reads and intents. If I been proposing an OS wagon, you would've seen me vote OS and say "hey let's do this" as I did when I amped the Solid wagon.
This is the same point that dabuz brought up. See our discussion of it at 1560 > 1577 > 1611 > 1642. tl;dr is simply that your interpretation of this post is wrong.
I didn't want Xastrn hammered, since we had time left in the Day, people to hear from, and issues to discuss. As is clear in my post (and in subsequent posts where you and I discussed it), I assumed that you had meant to hammer but hadn't bolded your vote, when in actuality you were just doing the sharing thing with J. I don't understand how you've interpreted this as a push against the Xastrn wagon, and similarly your post here doesn't give me any insight into how you came to that conclusion.
This is incorrect. My first gif was before the hammer, and wasn't addressed at the hammer at all. It was addressed to this post:
I was semi-ninja'd by you and by the votecount, since in that four-minute span I was looking through Pulp Fiction Mafia for this Link gif. The mod then updated the votecount to show it hadn't changed as a result of your non-bolded vote. (Hence my line "Good man, mod" for not counting your vote.) And I posted telling you not to hammer, but was ninja'd by J hammering despite me asking not to. Hence the second posting of the gif, smaller.
To explain further: in Pulp Fiction Mafia, J had an aggressive wagon led on him by another player (Ryker), and that Link gif played a large part in it. J was half-aggravated and half-amused by this behaviour. My use of it here was as a commentary on J's light-hearted strike-out, and the second was to his similar light-hearted attitude to hammering, which was an attitude that reminded me of Ryker's play in general.
You know that post where I posted the word 'investigation' ~10 times? That post means something and you should look into it.
I believe I've covered this in a recent post to Circus.
Of the 9 posts you quoted here, 7 are important (questions), 1 is semi-relevant (a comment on people filling in content [which happened again with the OS mod votes]), and 1 is fluff (the joke at Circus). In the fluff post itself, you missed a quote of me telling Circus to resume his discussion on dabuz from the previous Day.
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Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
@Probably J, notice how this is similar to the quote in 2041.
Werekill, it's not about my satisfaction. It's about you making sure to be accountable for the things you say.
Of course, of course. I was just wondering if the matter was mostly settled.
Kantrip
Kantplay
Honestly? The use of that word was inherently light-hearted. Sure I accused the two of you of a chainsaw defense. My question is, why is thinking that and pursuing it a noob thing to do? Answer this in more than one word this time.
Why will it "probably change" based off of John's flip? Also, how is questioning other players and pointing out scummy behaviour WHILE STILL PRESSURING JOHN AS WELL scummy?
Nabe, will respond in a bit.
Dabuz
Fraud at Smash
@Inferno: Who are your NULL reads atm?
Sorry, I knew that you meant that term in a light-hearted manner, but I was referring to the fact that you were spewing "chainsaw defence! Chainsaw!" everywhere. It is easily explained by either bad play or newness, I suppose, and since it was one of the main tenets of my suspicion of you, I've dropped you as a prime suspect.
Kantrip
Kantplay
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so BBR work and other things held me down, I'll get to this tomorrow.
X1-12
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Votecount 2.9 [7/13] Deadline 23rd October @ 1PM GMT!
th3kuzinator replaces Overswarm!
Raziek [1] - John2k4
th3kuzinator [3] - MOD, MOD, MOD
Solid [1] - kuz
Panta [0]
Red Ryu [0]
dabuz [0]
Nabe [0]
Circus [0]
Werekill [0]
John2k4 [5] - Solid, J, Inferno, RR, Nabe
Kantrip [0]
J [1] - dabuz
Inferno3044 [0]
Not Voting [5] - Werekill, Circus, Panta, Kantrip, Raziek
Previous votecount was also amended
th3kuzinator replaces Overswarm!
Raziek [1] - John2k4
th3kuzinator [3] - MOD, MOD, MOD
Solid [1] - kuz
Panta [0]
Red Ryu [0]
dabuz [0]
Nabe [0]
Circus [0]
Werekill [0]
John2k4 [5] - Solid, J, Inferno, RR, Nabe
Kantrip [0]
J [1] - dabuz
Inferno3044 [0]
Not Voting [5] - Werekill, Circus, Panta, Kantrip, Raziek
Previous votecount was also amended
th3kuzinator
Smash Master
dont ask me why the **** i put myself through 50 pages of catchup when im college.
probably because X1 is in a rut and needs it.
ALSO IM ****ING FINALLY TOWN THIS GAME SUCK MY **** SCUM STREAK
probably because X1 is in a rut and needs it.
ALSO IM ****ING FINALLY TOWN THIS GAME SUCK MY **** SCUM STREAK
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Nabe, do you need more time? I know you're waiting on a few responses.
th3kuzinator
Smash Master
First things first.
Unvote; Until I read like at all.
Is John a double voter?
Unvote; Until I read like at all.
Is John a double voter?
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
No, Kuz. I think X1 goofed the votecount again.
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Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
I'm waiting on John to drop reads and other info. Other than that I don't recall.
Time for me to think that you're scum all game and still push you when someone like Seikend is obviously scum.
But really, I'm glad to see ya, Kuz. Thoughts on the current John wagon?
Also, while you're reading, I want to know what you think about T-Block being scum. I REALLY think it's a possibility.
Inferno3044
Smash Master
Quick recap on claims for Kuz.
Circus claimed Mayor Dotour. He can take a census of the alive players by race (human, deku, goron, zora, unclassified). He has stated that there are currently 5 humans and 3 unclassified alive.
Solid claimed Kaffei. He's a separated mason with Anju and if they find each other at night they can talk outside the game. Kaffei and Anju are also lovers.
John claimed a sea turtle, even night commuter. Pretty self explanatory.
Also T-Block was abducted.
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Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
Don't respond with in-quote comments in the future. It's hard to respond to because you have to manually copy and paste to get quotes.
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Your arguments are exactly the same as OS' arguments. OS mentioned the examples of Panta and himself specifically, to which I responded that Panta is known to be town, and OS suggesting he would mis-hammer is BS.
You argue that L-1 isn't safe; I counter that L-X isn't safe. What if 2 people were new or skimmed or scum, and voted? This follows for 3, 4, etc. A player can always be lynched prematurely -- what matters is that the system allows for better than blindly lynching those players following that. L-X is unsafe, so instead of arguing numbers and playing Safe and Safer, I argue that players should hold themselves accountable for their play within reasonable and credible factors.
As I've stated, I wanted more out of the Day, so it follows that I'd want to ask questions of players about other players. Meanwhile, my vote remained on Xastrn. You're not following intent, or rather, you're not allowing for the possibility that town intent exists. In the case X + Y = Z, it doesn't necessarily follow that X = Y = Z/2 = 1.
Of the remaining 6, 4 are questions that force players to take a stance (including 3 questions about my bit on Raz, i.e. what I've already said was for reads so it follows that I would ask questions of players about their reads).
One is a question of WK's suspicion of you, asking him to elaborate on his train of thought... which would've helped me understand his train of thought and therefore his intent in posting what I thought was a poor case. (He didn't get to answer this, since you defended before his response making it unnecessary.)
The remaining post is me reminding people not to discuss Raz' claim until he was here in-thread... because people were talking about the claim which made the reminder necessary.
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Bussing means "throwing a player under the bus". It doesn't refer to helping them out of a jam, which you're suggesting was my intent.
No one is going to lynch a player solely on the technicality that they've lynched another player prematurely. As I said to OS, if someone hammered preemptively, that's on their shoulders, but if they seem likely to be innocent on their own merits, they aren't going to be lynched. If they were influenced into thinking hammering early was a good idea, we can then look at who influenced them. But if they voted wrongly and knew it was the wrong time, then yes, it's more cut and dry as evidence.
Your arguments are exactly the same as OS' arguments. OS mentioned the examples of Panta and himself specifically, to which I responded that Panta is known to be town, and OS suggesting he would mis-hammer is BS.
Of course not, nobody likes their reasoning being called into question. But was I right or wrong? At some point we have to argue about relative safety, and at that point I could as easily claim that you're concerned with Circus' survival, but that's in a non-neutral context.
You argue that L-1 isn't safe; I counter that L-X isn't safe. What if 2 people were new or skimmed or scum, and voted? This follows for 3, 4, etc. A player can always be lynched prematurely -- what matters is that the system allows for better than blindly lynching those players following that. L-X is unsafe, so instead of arguing numbers and playing Safe and Safer, I argue that players should hold themselves accountable for their play within reasonable and credible factors.
This cuts attention from other events at the time, yes, in the same way that any post not dealing with the lynch takes away attention from the lynch. That's the nature of posting. It's the job of the playerbase to differentiate between posts, by way of the intents they carry. It's absolutely incorrect to say that "it doesn't matter".
As I've stated, I wanted more out of the Day, so it follows that I'd want to ask questions of players about other players. Meanwhile, my vote remained on Xastrn. You're not following intent, or rather, you're not allowing for the possibility that town intent exists. In the case X + Y = Z, it doesn't necessarily follow that X = Y = Z/2 = 1.
You're absolutely right, from a neutral perspective (viewing the post as an island) it can look like this. But from the perspective where I was third vote on the wagon (and ended as second) and actively brought Circus to the wagon, which is the perspective you should be judging from, I question how you could judge my play and arrive at that conclusion. Why didn't I distract from the Xastrn wagon before it was too late? Why did I build momentum on it instead?
That's unfortunate. As above, I can't understand how you arrived at this perspective.
Okay, I thought this was self-explanatory. So aside from the two posts you listed that I already explicitly justified, there are 7 important posts, including 5 questions and a clarification of a question. The clarification stands if the question does.
Of the remaining 6, 4 are questions that force players to take a stance (including 3 questions about my bit on Raz, i.e. what I've already said was for reads so it follows that I would ask questions of players about their reads).
One is a question of WK's suspicion of you, asking him to elaborate on his train of thought... which would've helped me understand his train of thought and therefore his intent in posting what I thought was a poor case. (He didn't get to answer this, since you defended before his response making it unnecessary.)
The remaining post is me reminding people not to discuss Raz' claim until he was here in-thread... because people were talking about the claim which made the reminder necessary.
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Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
John, is that all you have to say, though?
I'm also waiting on Solid's D2 catchup, since he's v/la until sometime today.
Also, I claimed cop.
Why did you leave those two out?
I'm also waiting on Solid's D2 catchup, since he's v/la until sometime today.
Also, OS claimed race cop.
Also, I claimed cop.
Why did you leave those two out?
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Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
Oops, Kantrip, I missed two post references that correspond to the empty quotes in my response. One sec.
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Inferno3044
Smash Master
I only listed the ones that gave names with their roles. You claimed to have an investigative role, not cop in particular. Actually thanks for reminding me that OS said his claim was fake and that he was a VT. I guess I should also add that Raziek claimed that he is a Deku.
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No, I claimed Cop in particular, when questioned by WK in D1.
Inferno3044
Smash Master
I must've overlooked this. Can you give me a post number?