Just making a note here, this is a really funny quote because it's really true once you look at Circus' posts.
The reverse is actually true. It makes sense for
him to be voting for
me because
my lynch is
his only chance at survival.
Italics.
Everyone, I'd like an answer to this: Who is okay with an OS lynch right now?
Nope. Xastrn dies toDay.
I don't have time to make a full case at the moment, but I'll just list a few things here.
If you look back at the beginning when Red Ryu claimed a guilty on Werekill, Circus completely ignored the wagon and kept his vote on John (his RvS vote). When Red Ryu posted the embedded video, Circus misinterpreted it and thought it was Red Ryu confirming that his claim was legit. Rather than joining the wagon or displaying interest in such, Circus asked RR for a full-claim in order to "see the chances of being sane/insane". As scummates, Circus would have suggested Red Ryu's role seemed insane due to the flavour in order to try and save his scummate.
I didn't join the wagon because I was very, very sure Ryu was faking it. When I thought for a moment that Ryu was serious, I wanted his claim because claiming an innocent
or a guilty on anyone before you have at least two investigations to compare is very dangerous,
since you could be insane. I wanted to get Ryu's claim before we just lynched Werekill for no reason on the basis of an investigation that could have been flawed by design, resulting in the death of an innocent townie
and likely the daycop (scum would have probably killed Ryu that Night. In this hypothetical, he's still a threat, even as an insane cop), with no information gained.
But I don't expect you to believe me because you're all excited about this connection you think you found between me and Werekill.
When Werekill comes into the game, he gets upset about the wagon on him and votes Red Ryu. Shortly after, he explains it saying that "scummy play is scummy play". This implies that Werekill thinks RR's cop gambit was scummy. He never provided reasoning for this. Being upset about getting to L-1 was warranted. Thinking RR is scummy for it was not.
I agree with this.
Circus tells Werekill to stop being dumb. Note how he doesn't consider that Werekill is being scummy, but thinks he should just stop talking. This happens when Nabe is claiming an investigative role, and Werekill is trying to get a full-claim including race and name out of him.
Recently, Werekill has been attempting to refute the cases against Circus, rather than Circus doing it, and has been attacking everyone who makes this cases (chainsaw defense).
I've played with Werekill before. I've seen him play dumb as town before. My interpretation of Werekill's play is that he is not scummy, but has not begun thinking critically yet.
Also, I like how you seem to think that neither I nor Werekill are familiar with the concept of bussing or something. Like, you actually think that he and I are scumbuddies, and we're openly defending each other, thinking that's a fine strategy. And that if I thought he was playing scummy, I would say "don't be dumb" in thread, rather than telling him to knock it off privately. I think maybe you need to start thinking more critically yourself.
I still don't see it as being as bad as you make it out to be. You are continually fixating on this "scum through and through" stuff, and it's feeling more and more like misrepresentation to achieve a mislynch. Xastrn has said that there was no case to be built on RR because of lack of content, and he actually backed off of RR sooner than you are giving him credit for, yet you just keep bombarding him and us with the same point. I don't like the case on Solid either tbh, but apart from that, I've been okay with his defense.
Are you kidding? If anything, backing off of Ryu as soon as he did only makes him look worse. It bolsters my point that he never had a real reason to have such a problem with Ryu in the first place, and was really probably just voicing suspicion against him in order to add to his content faking. He backed off of Ryu so quickly because he realized he couldn't even bull**** a good reason to be against him.
Even his vote on you is null, as I can see town doing the same in that situation.
Really? You think it's common for a townie to just jump on a building wagon instead of sticking to his own guns when deadline is still days away and he has plenty of time to argue for his own cases?
Do me a favor and reread Xastrn's posts. How often does he even mention being suspicious of me before he votes me? I would seriously like you to do this. His vote on me comes at 1055; if it helps, you can work backwards. He mentions thinking I'm Solid's scumbuddy right after he makes his Solid case, but other than that, nothing.
If people remember, it wasn't Circus' original thought to hop onto Xastrn but Nabe actually asked him to get onto Xastrn and he dropped John like he was hot.
These things are not actually related. I did not switch to Xastrn because Nabe asked me to. I first started expressing proper dislike of Xastrn all the way back in my 596. Just because I didn't vote for him until some other people started getting more serious about him doesn't mean that I was just following them for the sake of following.
But, like I said to Kantrip, I don't expect this to sway you much. Scumgoggles and all that.
However once the Xastrn lynch is about to go through, look what who's name comes back out of the woodworks: ;P
Look at the tone in which he adresses John to which he is most likely going to be persuing him regardless of flip so it is setting up lynches. There is nothing to suggest the last line of this quote and it just is entirely random to bring John back into the equation when he was fired up against Xastrn besides to possibly set things up for toMorrow or later days.
I don't really know what your point is here. My suspicion of John didn't "come back out of the woodworks." I was and still am focused on Xastrn, but John was always on the back burner. I didn't reference him for a while because he simply wasn't doing anything and Xastrn had become a better player to look at in my eyes anyway. Just because I'm not constantly talking about certain players doesn't mean they aren't on my mind or that my read on them has changed.
I don't know if Xastrn and John are scumbuddies. I do think John is scummy, and I feel certain that Xastrn is straight up scum. Xastrn has lightly distanced John a few times this game, but other than that, there hasn't been much interaction between them because John's just been too scarce. This is null. But it does occur to me that Xastrn telling John to come in here and vote for him just in case he goes down toDay would make sense, especially considering how random John's vote on Xastrn is.
What I'm saying is, John is still scummy. And his vote on Xastrn doesn't change that. Just a thought, in case I don't get to express it later.
