Majoras Mask Mafia! DGames' Longest Game Ends - Who Won?!?!?!?

[Raziek]

Canadian thanksgiving is this weekend, bro.

 

[Lore]

Canadian thanksgiving is this weekend, bro.

Ok, cool. Just wondering.

Razzy, what's your opinion on Kantrip?

 

[Raziek]

As of late, Town. Not on my lynch platter for today.

 

[Lore]

Nothing in his interactions with me has made him look worse? :/

 

[Raziek]

Not particularly. Feels TvT to me.

 

[Raziek]

Is there anything in specific you feel should make me go ZXOMGKANTRIPSOSCUM? If so, quote it for me.

 

[Lore]

Eh, mostly his fallacious case against Circus and his silly chainsaw defense accusations, not to mention his crappy accusations against me.

Oh, and instead of actually responding to my points about his case with circus, he just ignores them and moves on after latching on to my extra reasoning against Xast post.

 

[Circus]

You say this every time we play together. You're wrong about 60% of the time. You're like my new xsyven.

I've only played with you once before, that I recall, in 30 Rock mafia in the BRoom. I tunneled you D1, but then backed off of you when I started to realize you weren't actually scum and we didn't lynch you. This is not like that at all. And apparently you're cool with just making up facts to suit your allegations.

Also, you basically said this EXACT thing in Cowboy Bebop mafia (also in the BRoom), to Xsyven...when he pinned you correctly as scum.

I realize people who aren't in the BRoom won't know this, but trust me, this is a giant red flag (RED, not yellow). If I had even the tiniest sliver of doubt about Xastrn being scum, this and his hella opportunistic vote on me plucked that out for sure.

I'd be a fool to try to lynch someone no one wants to lynch. What would it accomplish to go down pushing for the lynch I liked best earlier when there is more work to do and no one seems interested in that direction. Have you changed votes today? Have you called anyone scummy before voting me?
You're calling the normal flow of a Day a bad thing.

Deceptive framing of what happened. You act as if you presented a compelling case on Red Ryu and then it just didn't gather any steam so you switched to your second choice or something. But this is not what happened. You called Ryu scum ("scum through and through," "I want him dead so badly"), gave one absurdly bad reason for why, and everyone saw through it. So then you just popped a Solid case out of nowhere and decided to try to swing the lynch away from you.

Your argument only actually works if we had seen you push a legitimate case against Ryu, which you did not do. Instead, you called him scum for no reason, and then when some of us took issue with that, you just said "oh, you guys don't like this? Okay, well, uh, how about we look at Solid then?" And now, apparently, you're suddenly cool with lynching me now that I randomly got two votes added back onto my wagon. If there's one thing that will allow me to rest easily in the event of my lynch, it's the knowledge that you'll be toast after my flip.

I've had this read on him for a while, but I hadn't done most of the research on it until after I posted that.
Also, I was asked specifically by J to make a case on someone, and pushing for RR would have been asinine. What would you suggest, honestly? Make another case against someone I think is playing very scummy and listen to you ***** about it, or ignore what J said 'at my own peril' and not make the case I wanted to make? Answer this question.

The correct response would have been to make an actual case on Red Ryu, the player that you think is oh-so scummy but can't seem to come up with real evidence for. Not just plucking Solid out of nowhere and manufacturing a case on him. You are very clearly psuedo scumhunting. If you actually thought Ryu was as scummy as you claim to think he is, you would have had something real for us to look at when we asked for reasoning from you. Especially considering how analytical and math-brained you say you are. Same goes for Solid.

In following J's suggestion to go ahead and make the case I've wanted to make, I'm stuck listening to you calling it scummy for me to even make a case. Am I supposed to play defense only? Is that pro-town behavior?

I never said anything like that. J was right to ask for a case from you. The problem you have is that you are not able to make a case on anyone with any sincere looking reasoning behind it.

You're strawmanning me because you're panicking.

Consider this: If Raziek or J or Nabe had made my exact post, how would you have felt about it? Pretend one of them did, don't just answer automatically, because I'm sure you're just telling yourself what you'd want to say, rather than honestly considering it. My case isn't weak at all. You're just tunnel-visioned on me right now and ignoring a rather good case.

But keep it up. Tunnel vision wins games...(for scum).

I bet circus is scum with solid.

No, the case is weak, period. If anyone else had made it, I would still think it was weak, although you're right in that I probably wouldn't hold it against them as hard since it would not have looked so desperate coming from someone who wasn't at L-2. But we're not playing this game in a vacuum. The fact that you made this poor case against some other random player while you were forced back on your heels matters in terms of reading you.

But I'll bite. Why don't you give me a succinct post telling me what you think the most damning things about Solid are and I'll look into it. Because your Solid case reads to me like you just quoted every Solid post you could find to riff on and painted it as scummy as you could.

Also, interesting that you throw Raziek's, J's and Nabe's names around like that. Is that because you think I have a strong town read on all of them, or because you know they're town? If it's the former, I can tell you you're wrong. And that you probably haven't been paying attention to my reads this game.

This is all quite bad. You're blatantly defending solid before he even responds to my case. The thing is, you're not contradicting ANYTHING I'm saying with examples of posts, or anything remotely concrete. You're just saying "I feel he's been contributing and mostly honest."
Well, NEAT. I don't care what you FEEL. Do some research and prove it. Make a post as well researched as mine, with examples for why you feel that way.

If you want to flat out defend another player, at least come back with SOMETHING, rather than "nuh uh, cause i disagree. so you're wrong." Because responsing with "i feel differently, so you're scum" is just weak as hell and won't fly...

I don't care about defending Solid. I'll admit that I probably did do that, unintentionally, because I do just disagree with how you're framing his posts. But that doesn't matter because it wasn't the point of my post. The point is that you talked up this case you had on some secret other player, and then posted an ISO on Solid in which you basically make no real points about him. You don't delve into the intent behind what he says, you don't try to reveal where you seem to see him being manipulative or opportunistic or anything. You basically just try to equate his play to John's non-existent play this game, which looks phony on its face. Even if we can agree that Solid has been somewhat wishy-washy with his language, you're definitely reaching when you try to call him a hypocrite for trying to get John to contribute. It's blatant false equivalency, and town wouldn't do that. And while we're talking about John, if you have such a problem with Solid for being non-committal, then why have you hardly held that against John at all? You've called him scummy a couple of times, but you've never gone against him the way you just did against Solid. I wonder why that is.

But let's be clear about something—your case against Solid looks bad regardless of whether Solid is actually scum. You could be bussing him; you were at L-2 when you made the case, after all. The bone I pick with you here is simply the fact that your case is bad and clearly slapped together in order to provide content. I don't give a **** if Solid is town or not right now. My points against you here stand either way. It is the desperation and the phoniness that I'm seeing in you that I care about.

well, in this game it might because people are getting away with whatever they want. OS is right that scum is going to win this game. We're getting flat out outplayed, and there's a quicktopic full of laughs someplace out there.

So you're sure OS isn't scum himself then? Who is "getting away with whatever they want?" This looks like a scum hail mary to me. "You guys are all on the wrong track! Scum's going to win now because you guys are all playing so badly even though it's only Day 1! Start suspecting different people, quick!"

AND THEN THE KICKER.

There's no point delaying my vote, since I'm ok with either Solid or Circus at this point.


unvote
vote: Circus

Wow. Opportunistic much? Dropped that Solid vote pretty quick when I suddenly started looking closer to getting cooked, didn't you?

My vote is not leaving you for the rest of the Day. We're lynching you. If we don't lynch you after that piss-poor decision to late-term OMGUS me two days away from deadline, then this town doesn't deserve to win. Scum is staring us right in the face, and his name is Nasty Xasty.

 

[Xastrn]

I mentioned Raz, j, and nabe because they are the other active players.

What pro-town result could have happened if I had left my vote on Solid instead of switching it to you? The wagon at this point is either on me or you, right? do you see people swinging their votes from me to Solid, or from me to YOU? If I stuck to a Solid lynch when the rest of the town was swinging to another good lynch, I'd be promoting a no-lynch, which YOU know of all people is distinctly bad for us. I'm not going to do something anti-town just to look like I'm sticking to my guns.

This is consistent with my meta too.

Day 3 of 30 rock. I built a huge case on Marc. At the end of that case, my vote went to Scamp. Why? Because I thought it was the most pro-town lynch of the day. I was wrong in that case, but the point remains that I will make my vote for the lynch that will most likely be pro-town, not just vote whoever I think is playing the scummiest. This game is deeper than everyone just throwing their votes at their own #1 target and hoping we reach a majority.

call it opportunistic all you want if you want to try to paint me bad. But you're chastising a pro-town move just to save your own hide.

I don't blame you. If I were in your shoes, I'd be attacking me too, since that'd be my only hope of survival.

 

[Xastrn]

Circus, at this point, is the best D1 lynch candidate.

Thanks to Werekill's chainsaw defense, a Circus scum flip pins Werekill as scum.

Thanks to Circus' leading the Xastrn wagon, a Circus scum flip pins Xastrn as town.

For these same points, Circus' case on Xastrn becomes legitimate (and Xastrn jumping on Circus' wagon so fast) gives on a strong scum lead on Xastrn if Circus flips town.

If Circus is town, Werekill is not cleared because he could be scum trying to fake-bus the lynch target.

I have to go out for thanksgiving dinner soon, but I can have a case on Werekill tonight are tomorrow sometime if needed.

I wanted to highlight this post as some good thinking. THIS is exactly how I make my decisions.

+1 kantrip.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Xastrn, your case on me is bad. Also you're switching your vote around like crazy, you pretend you've been 'planning' these posts, but as soon as other people decide they're not going to agree with the direction you're going, you write up some swiss-cheese-esque case on the popular vote. So yeah, peace out.

-at this point in time, I have not read Circus' case on Xastrn-

solid, you are deliberately cherry picking from my post and ignoring things I'm saying. I said his playstyle is irritating as hell, and is anti-town. you skipped the "is anti town" part and pretended that all I said was that it was irritating.
I said werekill was probably the most scummy player, and that RR is simply anti-town + annoying. You're saying I'm calling RR my TOP scum pick. I'm not. I've said he's scummy as hell. I've not said "he's my TOP scum pick."

I left out the "anti-town" because you left out the "reasoning" for that. Oh, sorry, I assumed he was your top scum pick because you were voting for him.

I've explained explicitly that I don't just vote for whoever is scummiest. If you don't understand that, then you are deliberately being dense.

Cool, because that makes sense.

I think you're scum, btw. late joining a wagon just because you think you can get away with it, and making a super weak, easily-shredded post as justification is bad. Also, you're trying to appear cautious by not voting yet, so it isn't so obvious.

I literally fell out of my chair when I read this. This could be used in the Merriam-Webster dictionary as the example for "hypocrite".

Soild, what do you personally think of Werekill?

I didn't like him in the beginning of the game, but his case against Kantrip was pretty solid. I think he's town.

This is the first time you mention Xastrn if I recall correctly as being a scum-pick. Earlier in the game when the cases were beginning to rise against Xastrn, you said you didn't think they were that good of cases. Now you say that you have re-read his posts and cases and have come to enlightenment that he is scum in your eyes, correct?

Sorry I didn't respond to this sooner. It's true that I didn't pick him out as a scum pick earlier, but I was uneasy about him, as I said. I can find that post if you want. At this point it isn't even as much of the cases on him as it is the bad cases he's made and his scummy behavior, which I'll get into.

Why don't you feel like putting him at L-1 either? It's a bit cautious for my tastes because where is the harm in L-1? Tell me why and explain what is the benefit of not having him there.

It's generally how I play. At the time of my post, there were about 3 days left in the Day, and I dislike L-1 situations that early.

I've pulled my weight in more than enough games to where I don't feel the need to prove myself to anyone. I'll get to this game when I have more time and more to go off of, because I don't feel like fighting the tide of short sighted posts.

Right, because proving yourself in other games definitely affects your contributions in this game.

In my next post, I'm going to go through Xastrn's case on me.

 

[John2k4]

Welp. Those posts have gotten me to
Vote: Xastrn

 

[Lore]

I will also confirm that Dastrn did say that in the BRoom bebop game.

@circus: opinion on Kantrip?

 

[Lore]

My 1093 was referring to Circus, btw.

 

[Circus]

This section stinks. Why is what Xastrn did ANY different than what you did when we were on your wagon, Circus? You attacked John as a way out, which you even continue to do later in this very post.

This is misconstruing Xastrn as flailing scum, when Circus himself did exactly the same thing. If he hadn't done anything else, Circus would be trying even harder to hammer through his lynch based on the fact that he's "Not doing anything besides defend himself".

There's a HUGE difference between Xastrn's play and mine. Xastrn hopped onto Solid randomly, after he figured out no one was buying his case on Ryu. I had been on John the whole time. I was going to post a case against him anyway. It just looked defensive because people jumped on me for not providing it quickly enough. I wasn't just trying to divert attention away from myself like Xast is. Your allegation that I attacked John "as a way out" is flat-out false. I was after John before there was even a wagon on me. That was actually part of the reason the wagon formed on me.

And why wouldn't I continue to go after John? I still think his play is scummy as hell. That hasn't changed just because Xastrn's a stronger read for me now.

I wouldn't say this is like his "case" on Ryu. There wasn't even any real "case" on Ryu. Xastrn's frustration with Ryu felt to me like legit frustration. I don't believe he parked his vote there with the intent to lynch Ryu, just to get him to smarten up.

The fact that you don't consider his case on Ryu legitimate only bolsters my point that he hasn't been doing any real scumhunting. Whether he was actively gunning for a Ryu lynch at that moment doesn't change the fact that he called Ryu a scum read and voted for him and expected us to accept his point about gifs as a legitimate reason for those actions.

Read these posts again and tell me Xastrn was just trying to get Ryu to "smarten up."

[COLLAPSE="a couple of examples of Xastrn calling Ryu scum and wanting him dead"]

I want Red Ryu dead because he's giving us nothing but wanting to appear active. He's specifically trying to post frequently without giving any real content that shows what he actually believes and giving us something to hold him to.

I can't say "but didn't you post THIS gay ace attorney picture. that proves that you are lying...."
I can say that about him if he posts actual words. He's deliberately hiding.

That's the short version. If people expect a super long multi-quote case on this guy who ISN'T posting content on DAY 1, then you'll be disappointed for several obvious reasons.

He's a good day 1 lynch.

What we need to make him a GREAT day is for more people to give reads on him, and for RR to post more WORDS about what he thinks about people.

Side note: If I ever moderate back here, I'm not kidding I will MOD vote every time some one posts an ace attorney gif. But instead of the vote being labelled "MOD" it will labelled "DIE INUI!"

7 times in this game, rather than posting words that we can hold you accountable for, you posted ******** juvenile gifs. You're trying to appear clever, but it's not going to work. We've all seen the michael jackson popcorn gif posted two trillion times, and it was only funny like twice, back in 1997. AA gifs got super OLD like 4 years ago, and are a sign of a troll on these boards. Posting Friday gifs is like the definition of forcing a meme.

You're hiding behind all of this because you have to, because you have something to gain from not letting us dissect your WORDS. I guarantee I've written 8 times the total words that you have, and I'm not even the most prolific poster in this game. You're just embarrassing yourself with no gain.

important:
The only way you stand to gain from your playstyle is if you can discredit whoever calls you out on it, and try to do so in a clever manner to appear disarming. Not going to work, and I'm not going to back off until you learn to express your feelings with your own words, instead of recycling tired memes as a shield.

If i was a vig, I'd just vig you and lynch werekill instead. Werekill is a better day 1 lynch target because of the connections he's established. But you're just scummy through and through.

[/COLLAPSE]

On top of that, I'm not seeing how you can think Solid HASN'T been fence-sitty. He's barely taken a single legitimate stance on someone besides "not liking inactives" and OMGUS'ing Kantrip.

Solid legit isn't providing any meaningful stances or content, and Circus himself set up Solid's 1021 by saying he thinks it's a "legitimate playstyle difference, not a guise."

Give some examples of Solid being "open and talkative", Circus.

Again, it's not like I consider it my job to defend Solid. But for the sake of defending my own read:

[COLLAPSE="Examples of Solid being open and talkative"]

After reading more carefully I'm leaning scum but it's not finite. I've never played a game with him before but I don't like how defensive he was being. Calling out OS' joke claim about Circus shows me that much. Defensive play could certainly be town but that plus the going after the easy guy in Spells makes me think bolder scum. Maybe a Joffrey Baratheon.



Don't like this. Overall Xastrn seems too buddyish for my tastes and this reason is a bad one. Not feeling a specific alignment. I also hate WIFOM so that doesn't help him.

What do you think of John?



Speak for yourself, it's the one I was expecting XD.



Awesome, now tell us your reads and some more useful information that you found. Don't like your beating around the bush, Varys.



That'd be this one:



I don't see any problem with it. My being okay with Panta's lynch 'instantly' could be unsettling, but I stand by it because his play is scummy.



Quality question, I like it. I'd sleep with you to keep you close. And because you won't kill your children. Now I have a question for you: you're Robb Stark, riding into battle. Who, of the active players, do you name as castellan of Winterfell in your absence?

Overall thoughts: J and Raz are good, Nabe leaning good but need more, would like more from Overswarm and Circus before forming an opinion, Xastrn uneasy, John needs to deliver more content, don't like Panta, Frio completely null, RR leaning town, gambit was good idea but him pulling off does nothing so I don't like that, will be waiting for Spells to replace out before I can get a real read.

ooooh I forgot T-Block. He looks priy good so far.

So you don't think getting reads on people who were on or off the bandwagon, plus your reaction to the wagon (which didn't work because RR backed off and you weren't here) should be considered benefits? This is D1 of a Mafia game, what's more beneficial than information, pray tell? Werekill acting waaaay too defensive and accusatory regarding the RR issue, do not like that.

Will do.



Ah, I forgot about that. In any case, he's not at L-1 now (and I never actually voted for him so technically he shouldn't have been at L-1 but I should've made that more clear) so I'm still a bit skeptical.

That reminds me: Unvote: Vote John2k4 you need to start posting content and stop coasting, scum.



So you don't think a read on a wagon is good information? Why's that?

Also answer this please:

John, while I agree Circus may be quick to act, can you explain your vote? It seems like blatant OMGUS and bandwagoning to me, same with Frio.



Yeah, I'm not liking him. Especially this post:



What this says to me is "I didn't realize I was being attacked (me: how does this happen), but since I am, I'm going to vote the guy pressuring me for the reasons someone else stated." Too bandwagon-y, too OMGUS. Not good. He and John haven't contributed jack. I asked John for information when he was catching up a few days ago and got nothing. These guys are coasting.

[/COLLAPSE]

Sure, he does use qualifiers, as Xastrn says. But he isn't using them to stay in the background and act like he's posting real content, to me. He does take plenty of stances. He says when he thinks someone is looking good, or is being shady, or is being too defensive. He has been quieter lately, but for a while, he was offering up feedback of his own volition pretty frequently. He even straight up called John scum once. He is taking stances, and that's obvious to see if you're not reading his posts with specific intention to incriminate him.

I know Circus isn't dumb enough to scumslip "Hurr durr gonna NK ya", so this is a threat to lynch him for inactivity.

How else do you plan on getting Frio to talk? Or does it not bother you that he isn't, even now, days after he said he would stop being too busy for this game?

No real problems with this one, but I really have to question why Circus thinks John and Xastrn are scum together. I don't see anything that would suggest it.

I just think they're both scummy. And Xastrn has voted for pretty much everyone he has expressed suspicion for other than John (not counting his RVS vote).

 

[Circus]

I will also confirm that Dastrn did say that in the BRoom bebop game.

@circus: opinion on Kantrip?

Hazy. I loved his 995, and still do, but he is either outright lying in his 1050, or he has severely misunderstood or forgotten specific elements of player interactions in this game (at least some of which you have already pointed out, thank you). He did replace in, so a lot of the stuff that happened before he got here probably got simplified or thrown out in his catch up reading, so I won't hold it as damning evidence against him. I'm not concerned with him right now. Xastrn is the play toDay.

 

[Overswarm]

I'm here, posting due to a prod after 48 hours (wtf?). Probably going to play fairly inactive this game because of the low posting limit, and just make a post every day or two.

 

[Circus]

This is blatantly wrong. Xastrn said he thought Werekill was scum but wanted to vote RR MORE because he thought RR was MORE scum. Circus is misconstruing this and trying to paint a fake picture. Also assuming X has no reasoning for his reads when, good reasoning or not, they were real reasons.

100% false, as Werekill already pointed out. And if I may mini-rant for just a moment, it's annoying to be told you're wrong, but it's especially annoying to be told you're wrong when you know you're right. You accusing me of misconstruing things and attempting to "paint a fake picture" is incredibly ironic.

I wouldn't say eight is incredibly small, seeing as Xastrn did quote all eight of them. I don't know how posting a post in which there is no content and saying "this has no content" is a stretch.

It's really more like 4, as Werekill said. But that doesn't even matter. Even if Red Ryu had 8 posts in which he posted nothing but a gif, that still would not be a good reason to think he is scum at all. Xastrn is not lying when he says that Red Ryu is posting a lot of gifs, but that also isn't the issue at hand. The issue is whether that actually even matters (hint: it doesn't). Xastrn attacked Red Ryu for a huge nulltell and hoped we would just accept his assertion that it was actually a scumtell.

Why is his case on solid about as crappy as his case on RR? It has many valid points, and although some of the points aren't valid, even if you take them out and look at what's left it's better than your case on Xastrn.

What do you consider the valid points? I think he says plenty of true things about Solid, but that isn't the same thing. Solid uses lots of qualifiers, sure. Xastrn wants to use that against him. But it isn't actually a scumtell. Xastrn also correctly observes that Solid used the phrase "fair enough" in one of his posts. Xastrn would like to frame this as a scumtell too, but it isn't. This is what makes his case on Solid bad.

Also, weren't you tearing this to shreds yourself a little while ago?

I believe this is called a chainsaw defense? Circus is attacking Xastrn's case on Solid without giving any reasons why the case was bad. Chainsaw defenses are scummy. Circus says Solid hasn't been fence-sitty, but from what I have observed, solid has been quite fence-sitty indeed. If this is bussing, it's a bit blatant there Circus.

Your use of the term chainsaw defense is a little off here. In order for this to be a chainsaw, I would have to be attacking Xastrn because he is attacking Solid, which is not the case. I'm attacking Xastrn, in that specific post, because his attack on Solid is bad (and I think I've been pretty clear about why the case is bad). If his case against Solid were good, I wouldn't mind.

Similarly, Circus, you could be viewed as scum who doesn't know how to frame/bus people in a convincing way. You're just jumping on the player who's already under scrutiny and tunneling them.

I was the third vote on Xastrn, but other than that, I haven't jumped on anyone who was already under a lot of scrutiny. I was one of the first ones to start seriously looking at John and Spells (your replacee). And everyone was kind of examining Panta at the beginning of the Day around the same time. I believe I was also the first one to express some suspicion of Frio, although my interest in him as a scum suspect has been blown out of proportion.

And even with Xastrn, I've taken a lead role in pushing for his lynch. Calling me a wagon hopper on his lynch, at this point, would be very disingenuous of you.

My opinion of this originally was that he was trying to buddy me by saying he loved my long post. That is why I asked him to briefly explain why.

And I provided you with good reasoning, wouldn't you agree?

This is a threat at Frio that he will be a policy lynch if he doesn't post. ScumCircus capitalizing on inactives so that he can set up a series of mis-lynches?

If we don't do things like this, then we will never get him to post. I understand the desire to give Frio and even John a break on things like this because they're new, but you have to understand that if one of them is scum, then they will run away with the game because you refuse to give them any incentive to stick their necks out.

Yeah, he's tunneling on the newbies real hard. Has he given his own stance or read on someone who wasn't already under scrutiny/an inactive?

I wouldn't be if they would give me a reason not to. What has John done to place himself above suspicion? What has Frio done? Nothing. You may not find John as scummy as I do, but until he gives you a reason to consider him town, then I don't see how scumread and my desire to pressure him should be anything other than null to you.

Oh, and hey, Xast.

I'd rather lynch a half-contributing person who won't give us much more on day 2 (based on his day 1 play) than someone like circus or wk who are at least giving us more to read. Solid is a good lynch toDay.

[quotes Kantrip explaining why my lynch is the best option for Day 1 because of the information it would give us]

I wanted to highlight this post as some good thinking. THIS is exactly how I make my decisions.

+1 kantrip.

Funny. Seems like that wasn't always the way you made your decisions. Seems like you don't worry much about consistency when you have to deal with getting the pressure off of you. Which is it, Xastrn? Is it best to lynch a non-contributor on Day 1 just to get rid of the question mark, or someone who you think will give you lots of connections? So far, you've said both.

 

[Lore]

Woah woah, where'd that "I'd lynch a half-contributor" post come from? o_0

Pretty nasty, Xasty.

 

[Circus]

Toward the end of his Solid case.

 

[Circus]

Or, I should say, toward the end of his first post of his Solid case.

 

[Dabuz]

I'm here, posting due to a prod after 48 hours (wtf?). Probably going to play fairly inactive this game because of the low posting limit, and just make a post every day or two.

? Low posting limit? As in, posting restriction?




Also, im fine with the circus wagon if it happens, but i would rather the xastrn wagon go through.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

This feels like an attempt to play both sides, hold a weak stance, but pretend to contribute.
Read this paragraph and ask yourself "did Solid say ANYTHING in this paragraph?"
I'm noticing that this is the trend with his posts.


Hi, I'm Solid and I don't take specific stances on things.

You’re calling me out for not being decisive early in the game. Look at any game I’ve ever played.

Notice that when he DOES take a stance, it's one that's already popular.

Coming from you I can’t take this seriously.

As much as I love A Song of Ice and Fire, this whole bit was distracting and didn't add to the game. It just screams "i'm trying to look like i'm helping and being clever" when it isn't doing much of either. The fact that it's a not-quite-mainstream fantasy story that is not likely to have been read by the majority of the rest of us makes it a useless-to-town trick.

That was Nabe and I discussing something, and it helped me (can’t speak for Nabe) and that’s why I was using it. I could go through all of your posts and point out things that don’t help EVERY SINGLE TOWN MEMBER but I won’t, because that would be a stupid waste of time.

This is an example of several one liner posts that add to his middling post count, but don't contribute much.

Solid had 54 posts total when I did his post search. that places him firmly in the middle of the activity scale. perfect place for scum to hide out. Not going to be called out for inactivity, but not giving us much more to play with.

And you’re putting more posts in so that you can seem above the middle ground and still be scum. An even better place for scum to hide!

More questions. One sentence of his own thoughts: He doesn't like werekill. a very popular sentiment at the time of his post. Scum do that.


And this is precisely why you are scum.

Tiny questions. STILL no content.

Solid is offering NOTHING of himself up, but keeps looking active by just poking at the game here and there with little questions.

When asked his opinion of the three of us, his three responses are:
1. i unno
2. i unno
3. i unno.


<.<
>.>

That’s actually not at all what I said, but if you want to interpret it that way, go ahead.

Actually points out that when players don't put themselves out there and display their opinion, you can't be sure of them. He's well aware of what he's doing. At this point, OS had contributed quite a bit more to the game than Solid had.



Post count padding. I've skipped most of his padding posts, but there are like 10 of these type of posts in the thread. brings his true post count down into the low 40s at best, and most of those have been weak, short, and not sharing anything of himself.

This coming from the man who’s posted multiple posts solely discussing his inactivity and fluff. Seriously.

More tiny thoughts, all easy stuff to say.
Calls people out for coasting, but solid isn't really contributing at ALL.

Ask yourself this: what has Solid brought to this game.
I can't come up with anything at all.
John and Frio are in the same boat, as is Dabuz to a lesser extent.[/QUOTE]

trying to get people to vote me blah blah blah

At least RR gave us his gambit and OS gave us those charts. Werekill and circus have had their share of the spotlight, and while neither handled it well, we can at least expect them to contribute and give us more to read on day 2 ->.
I'd rather lynch a half-contributing person who won't give us much more on day 2 (based on his day 1 play) than someone like circus or wk who are at least giving us more to read. Solid is a good lynch toDay.

Right, because how I play late in the game can be deduced based on my D1 play. Do you expect RR and OS to post like they’ve been posting later in the game? How about John and Frio? Are you insinuating they’ve contributed more than me? If so, I’d love to see it. Because it really seems like your entire case is based off of me, in your eyes, not being decisive, when, if you’ve been looking at the same game as I have, it’s pretty apparent that John and Frio have done that even more. I’m not trying to pass them off as lynch candidates, because I don’t think they are. You’re a good lynch today, though, because you’re scum.

Finally a post with more than 2 sentences. Let's see here...oh they are all 1-2 sentence replies to lots of other posts. He's basically giving us 4 of his usual short posts, but all in one to make it look longer.

Lots of "meh" in all this. lots of "i'm interested to see..." or "i don't think..." or "would like more..." none of this is taking the town anywhere, and none of it can be pinned on you.

This is one of Solid's best posts of the game. But when you look at it, it is all "middling." the "okay good haha" feels artificial, like he's trying to feel friendly.

...are you serious

he's responding to J again. only J and raz seem to be able to get him to post anything because they are both asking him specific questions.

HUH, MAYBE THAT TELLS YOU SOMETHING?

Each sentence in that paragraph is a weak collection of words that doesn't add up to anything. He even ends with a "meh things have changed...don't hold me accountable to this weak stance."

It's as if he's afraid of what he's saying. The reason I think solid is so hesitant to put himself out there is because he is lying when he gives reads on people and he's having to make them up as he goes along.

I am a cautious Day 1 player, sue me.

more brown-nosing to J

Is the following post “brown-nosing”? Honestly is this a joke.

Ok, cool. Just wondering.

Is WK scum for that?

PR fishing. Scummy!

Cool opinion/interpretation. I wasn’t doing that at all, I was requesting a plausible situation in which revealing my race would be beneficial in proving my innocence. Let me ask you a question: do you think OS actually has the role that he mentioned as a possibility? Neither do I, but it was a plausible enough situation that I felt it could be beneficial to divulge my race.

weak.

He went from "leaning town" to "i'll be watching him".

This is the first time he said he'd be watching him. He added that here so he wouldn't have to strongly disagree with someone, or to back off slightly from his town read in case he needed to later.

So now you know why I’m doing things, eh?

Doesn't like raziek now. Raz is one of the only ones pulling content out Solid, and now solid doesn't like him for his interactions with OS, which most of us were ok with. I wonder if Raz was doing anything threatening to Solid's playstyle of "reveal nothing, be passive."...

I don’t give a **** who was okay with it. Unlike you, I’m not going along with the popular vote on everything. Have I or have I not responded to Raz’s questions with my opinions?

ZOIKS. look at this back peddling. He got pressure for his stance on kantrip, which looked like a pretty hard stance in the above post...suddenly, he's already planning on removing that vote?

Solid, you are scum.

I thought it was pretty obvious when I said “Do not like this post one bit.” that it was the post that I had a problem with, not the roleslot. I dunno, just thought that would be clear.

@Solid, tell me about J.

I like his interactions, generally, and although he doesn’t always reveal his intentions, I think that can be a good thing, and leads to more genuine thought from other players as opposed to just answering questions. Overall, he’s town. Here you go Xast, I'll be decisive D1 just for you <33333333

Vote: Xastrn

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

John, what specifically in those posts caused you to vote Xastrn?

 

[#HBC | J]

Wow lot's of big posts while I was at practice.

Dinner than reading but I find it a tad funny they are a majority coming from Circus.

 

[Circus]

That's what happens when a bunch of people decide to get all up in my grill while I'm off the computer. I come back and have to put their punk ***** in they're places, you dig?

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Xastrn, you said that I'm a better lynch than OS and RR, because of OS' chart and RR's gambit. What information, specifically, did each of these things give you that makes them so important?

 

[John2k4]

John, what specifically in those posts caused you to vote Xastrn?

The main post was Circus's 1088.

 

[John2k4]

And I completely missed the question with that quick reply, great. :/

Circus brought up a number of good points in his post(Mainly dropping that Solid vote), and Solid's dissection helped further it.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

J, let's lynch Xastrn. I would rather that over Circus after all.

Xastrn, I'm still looking for a response from you. And while we're on the subject, talk about how cool you are with being the D1 info lynch.

Everyone, I'd like an answer to this: Who is okay with an OS lynch right now?

 

[#HBC | J]

Who isn't okay with an OS lynch? He's really useless.

But Naaaaabe you meanie. *still hasn't read all the posts cuz I just strolled back onto the cpu*

 

[Kantrip]

Why OS? What brought that about?

 

[Dabuz]

Depending on Xastrn's flip, im ready to make a case on OS.

 

[#HBC | J]

Nabe, I don't want a D1 info lynch, I want a D1 useless/scummy lynch. T.T Pwease?

 

[Kantrip]

Yeah a Xastrn flip gives us connections too, if we still want to go that route.

But does he still look scummy?

 

[#HBC | J]

If you flips and connections, lynch my sorry ***. JS, my lynch will bring about the most connections and the most information.

 

[Kantrip]

Not really. Since you haven't been under pressure, we haven't seen who reacted and how, and there are no cases against you.

Xastrn and Circus are the two that give the most connections.

 

[#HBC | J]

Connections as in, look at who has interacted with me, I don't think there is really a person I haven't tried engaging and the like, except Frio. =P

If you pressure, than yeah Xastrn/Circus still give most connections. Oh look Circus has scum-points+connections to lynch. Hmmmm.

 

[Kantrip]

That's why I would rather lynch Circus toDay, but I would vote x to prevent a nl

 

[#HBC | J]

We have over 43 hours, Kantrip. This day isn't over by a long shot.