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Majoras Mask Mafia! DGames' Longest Game Ends - Who Won?!?!?!?

Kantrip

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By "let's bring back the fallback lynch", do you mean I'm choosing between Circus, Solid, and Panta? Or do you mean you want to set one of Circus or Solid as the fallback lynch?

I wouldn't lynch Panta at this point in time (though it would be nice if he would be here more).

Hmm, hold on a sec I'm going to look back at their posts a bit.
 

#HBC | J

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Kaaaaay get back to me.

Consider this while reading, you like Xastrn. What does that do for your opinion of Circus/Solid. Also I did mean Panta by that.
 

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Alright, I think I'm good. Can I wait until Raziek answers?

Also, Xastrn, do you still think what you said in your #894 and #954 about me? That I'm a weak, nooby player?
 

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Promised I'd give some people a second look, and I have. But I think we are most definitely dealing with Nasty Dasty this game (or Nasty Xasty, as it were), so I'm still very cool with where my vote is.

Xastrn hopped off of Red "scummy through and through" Ryu because he knows he can't make it work and switched to Solid with a case that's about as crappy as the one he pulled on Ryu. Dastrn tried to make this not look like a giant swing in a different direction by telling us that he has apparently had this case planned for a while in his 994, but it doesn't help. In fact, that he telegraphs this move before he does it actually makes it look even worse. "I know you guys are gonna think I'm just doing this in a desperate attempt to throw the spotlight off of me, BUT I'M TOTALLY NOT...." It looks like he scrambled to paste together a scum read on Solid so he had something to do other than defend himself from scrutiny and that's it.
This section stinks. Why is what Xastrn did ANY different than what you did when we were on your wagon, Circus? You attacked John as a way out, which you even continue to do later in this very post.

This is misconstruing Xastrn as flailing scum, when Circus himself did exactly the same thing. If he hadn't done anything else, Circus would be trying even harder to hammer through his lynch based on the fact that he's "Not doing anything besides defend himself".
Much like in his case on Ryu, in which he stretches his point about Ryu's gif posting and overexerts the scumminess of the action, he does likewise with Solid. Overselling the importance of how often Solid uses qualifiers, one-liners and his overall post count in the thread. He also states that Solid has been fence-sitty, which I haven't felt at all. He's been less black and white with his opinions, but he's kept up with discussion plenty, I feel. It looks like a legitimate playstyle difference to me, not a guise.
I wouldn't say this is like his "case" on Ryu. There wasn't even any real "case" on Ryu. Xastrn's frustration with Ryu felt to me like legit frustration. I don't believe he parked his vote there with the intent to lynch Ryu, just to get him to smarten up.

On top of that, I'm not seeing how you can think Solid HASN'T been fence-sitty. He's barely taken a single legitimate stance on someone besides "not liking inactives" and OMGUS'ing Kantrip.

Solid legit isn't providing any meaningful stances or content, and Circus himself set up Solid's 1021 by saying he thinks it's a "legitimate playstyle difference, not a guise."
Xastrn is scum who doesn't know how to frame/bus people in a convincing way. He just picked a player who speaks in grey language and tried to make him look like a shady character, even though Solid has actually been pretty open and talkative, from my point of view. We should really lynch Xastrn toDay.
Give some examples of Solid being "open and talkative", Circus.

@Frio: I took your comment that you would be done with mid-terms by Friday as a sort of soft promise that you would be giving some much needed attention to this game by now. Maybe you're behind and you still need to catch up, but state that in thread if that's the case. You're not getting out of Day 1 without playing this game for real. At least, not if you expect to survive past Day 2.
I know Circus isn't dumb enough to scumslip "Hurr durr gonna NK ya", so this is a threat to lynch him for inactivity.
@John:




That quote is from more than a day ago. Please explain to me, in detail, the reason behind your unvote. What did I do that changed your mind about me? With as much or more detail, please explain why you didn't vote for someone new. Is there no one in the game that you have a scum read on? Is there no one in the game that you feel comfortable pushing without them already having multiple people on their wagon? Are you going to give any solid opinions on anything? Are you going to continue coasting and playing the newb card and not answering my questions? Are you ever going to start bussing your scumbuddy Xastrn?
No real problems with this one, but I really have to question why Circus thinks John and Xastrn are scum together. I don't see anything that would suggest it.
I'll respond to everything tomorrow.

For now I want to throw this out there: have any of you played a game with me before?
Obviously he hasn't responded yet, but the intent behind this post is pretty clear. He's setting himself up to dismiss the entire case as meta, despite the fact that much of what Xastrn is saying holds merit.

Solid hasn't really taken any actual stance. He's just kinda.... here.

Circus's last post really doesn't sit well with me, because he's attacking Xastrn for what Circus himself has done, and he's defending Solid over many of the same reasons that he's been attacking John.

Double standards everywhere.

I'm not sure I can mind-read you from here, J, but I wouldn't mind lynching Circus or Solid after these two posts.
 

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Kantrip, gogogogogo.

Thank you very much Raz. Stick around to see Kant's response then I may have a job for us.
 

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kantrip, i was specifically ASKED by red ryu to give those examples.

You should pay better attention to this game. Honestly, you're missing the point of EVERYTHING.

coming in late is no excuse.

You're either noob-scum grasping at whatever weak case you can think of or noob-town. either way, you're not helping at all.
Here's the post in question. Your other one referenced wasn't my post, so I'm not sure what you meant to type instead.

I still feel this way for the most part. Your #1014 and especially #1016 in particular were pretty weak. In particular, you gave me a hard time about the inactivity issue, chastising me for not pushing other people who are more inactive. You missed the point of my whole argument against Solid. He is trying to appear active without posting any real content or opinions that can be pinned to him later. As opposed to the more inactive players (john and frio) who are not posting much at all. I don't like either of them at all in this game because of their lack of involvement. but Solid specifically stands out to me as trying to appear helpful while offering nothing. that's the basis of my case.

I'd be hard pressed to make a good case against either john or frio, you know what I mean? They haven't given me anything to make a case out of. If they are still playing this way on Day 2, then they'll be among the first people I'll pressure. OS and dabuz are in a similar place, and need to get involved. Whichever of those 4 are town need to realize that they are helping scum by being so passive and inactive.

@mod: prod time on any of those yet?
 

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I would choose to lynch Circus over solid and Panta.

No way are you getting away with saying that. Your reasoning for voting Ryu is bull****. You're not hunting scum. You even changed your mind and said you think Werekill would actually be a better D1 lynch, but you didn't move your vote because "Red Ryu is scum through and through." Which still doesn't even have mediocre justification. It doesn't make any sense at all. You can't give a good reason for your reads because you have no real reasons for them.
This is blatantly wrong. Xastrn said he thought Werekill was scum but wanted to vote RR MORE because he thought RR was MORE scum. Circus is misconstruing this and trying to paint a fake picture. Also assuming X has no reasoning for his reads when, good reasoning or not, they were real reasons.

You cite an incredibly small number of examples of Ryu "hiding" behind gifs, and half the ones you quoted are real stretches. Frankly, I wouldn't actually count any of them. Considering this is pretty much the only thing you've brought against Ryu, I consider that totally unconvincing. And I can't imagine you would either, if you were really town.
I wouldn't say eight is incredibly small, seeing as Xastrn did quote all eight of them. I don't know how posting a post in which there is no content and saying "this has no content" is a stretch.

Promised I'd give some people a second look, and I have. But I think we are most definitely dealing with Nasty Dasty this game (or Nasty Xasty, as it were), so I'm still very cool with where my vote is.

Xastrn hopped off of Red "scummy through and through" Ryu because he knows he can't make it work and switched to Solid with a case that's about as crappy as the one he pulled on Ryu. Dastrn tried to make this not look like a giant swing in a different direction by telling us that he has apparently had this case planned for a while in his 994, but it doesn't help. In fact, that he telegraphs this move before he does it actually makes it look even worse. "I know you guys are gonna think I'm just doing this in a desperate attempt to throw the spotlight off of me, BUT I'M TOTALLY NOT...." It looks like he scrambled to paste together a scum read on Solid so he had something to do other than defend himself from scrutiny and that's it.
Why is his case on solid about as crappy as his case on RR? It has many valid points, and although some of the points aren't valid, even if you take them out and look at what's left it's better than your case on Xastrn.

Much like in his case on Ryu, in which he stretches his point about Ryu's gif posting and overexerts the scumminess of the action, he does likewise with Solid. Overselling the importance of how often Solid uses qualifiers, one-liners and his overall post count in the thread. He also states that Solid has been fence-sitty, which I haven't felt at all. He's been less black and white with his opinions, but he's kept up with discussion plenty, I feel. It looks like a legitimate playstyle difference to me, not a guise.
I believe this is called a chainsaw defense? Circus is attacking Xastrn's case on Solid without giving any reasons why the case was bad. Chainsaw defenses are scummy. Circus says Solid hasn't been fence-sitty, but from what I have observed, solid has been quite fence-sitty indeed. If this is bussing, it's a bit blatant there Circus.

Xastrn is scum who doesn't know how to frame/bus people in a convincing way. He just picked a player who speaks in grey language and tried to make him look like a shady character, even though Solid has actually been pretty open and talkative, from my point of view. We should really lynch Xastrn toDay.
Similarly, Circus, you could be viewed as scum who doesn't know how to frame/bus people in a convincing way. You're just jumping on the player who's already under scrutiny and tunneling them.

Kantrip, I was a little worried about you, but that 995 is beautiful (if very, very long). Keep bein' a G.
My opinion of this originally was that he was trying to buddy me by saying he loved my long post. That is why I asked him to briefly explain why.

@Frio: I took your comment that you would be done with mid-terms by Friday as a sort of soft promise that you would be giving some much needed attention to this game by now. Maybe you're behind and you still need to catch up, but state that in thread if that's the case. You're not getting out of Day 1 without playing this game for real. At least, not if you expect to survive past Day 2.
This is a threat at Frio that he will be a policy lynch if he doesn't post. ScumCircus capitalizing on inactives so that he can set up a series of mis-lynches?

@John:




That quote is from more than a day ago. Please explain to me, in detail, the reason behind your unvote. What did I do that changed your mind about me? With as much or more detail, please explain why you didn't vote for someone new. Is there no one in the game that you have a scum read on? Is there no one in the game that you feel comfortable pushing without them already having multiple people on their wagon? Are you going to give any solid opinions on anything? Are you going to continue coasting and playing the newb card and not answering my questions? Are you ever going to start bussing your scumbuddy Xastrn?
Yeah, he's tunneling on the newbies real hard. Has he given his own stance or read on someone who wasn't already under scrutiny/an inactive?

So J, can I assume you have a reason for wanting to switch the wagon off of Xastrn and onto someone else? Your questions and actions both imply that this is the case.
 

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Here's the post in question. Your other one referenced wasn't my post, so I'm not sure what you meant to type instead.

I still feel this way for the most part. Your #1014 and especially #1016 in particular were pretty weak. In particular, you gave me a hard time about the inactivity issue, chastising me for not pushing other people who are more inactive. You missed the point of my whole argument against Solid. He is trying to appear active without posting any real content or opinions that can be pinned to him later. As opposed to the more inactive players (john and frio) who are not posting much at all. I don't like either of them at all in this game because of their lack of involvement. but Solid specifically stands out to me as trying to appear helpful while offering nothing. that's the basis of my case.

I'd be hard pressed to make a good case against either john or frio, you know what I mean? They haven't given me anything to make a case out of. If they are still playing this way on Day 2, then they'll be among the first people I'll pressure. OS and dabuz are in a similar place, and need to get involved. Whichever of those 4 are town need to realize that they are helping scum by being so passive and inactive.

@mod: prod time on any of those yet?
Interesting. Since you'd be hard pressed to make a good case on Frio or John, does this mean you think Circus' case and subsequent tunneling on the two of them is bad?
 

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Vote: Circus

I do have a reason because I have been watching Circus very closely as soon as I saw him to be very malleable to Nabe's whims of voting Xastrn which made me do a double check and I kiiiiiindof like Xastrn after responding to me more so because I really really really dislike Circus' post directed at Xastrn because it's purely wrong, like about everything in that post is bad.

I'd be much more content with a Circus lynch over Xastrn at this time.
 

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Going out for some Dracula rehearsal and won't be back till later tonight. I'm going to be putting up a few of my notes tonight based on why I feel the lynch should be brought this way.
 

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A lot of things are bothering me about Kantrip's "case" against circus. (note, I'm not taking on every point; just the few that bother me.)

This is blatantly wrong. Xastrn said he thought Werekill was scum but wanted to vote RR MORE because he thought RR was MORE scum. Circus is misconstruing this and trying to paint a fake picture. Also assuming X has no reasoning for his reads when, good reasoning or not, they were real reasons.
There is no way that it is blatantly wrong. Xastrn said, and I quote:


If i was a vig, I'd just vig you and lynch werekill instead. Werekill is a better day 1 lynch target because of the connections he's established. But you're just scummy through and through.
Xasty flat out says here that I'm a better lynch target, but for some reason, he still thinks that RR is scummy through and through, so instead of switching vote to (in his opinion) the best lynch for town, he keeps it on a person who he just considers scummy. However, you either misinterpreted Circus or this post or you're just manipulating words.

Also, I noticed something big that is making me Vote: Xastrn, but I'll save that for next post.

I wouldn't say eight is incredibly small, seeing as Xastrn did quote all eight of them. I don't know how posting a post in which there is no content and saying "this has no content" is a stretch.
There was a bit of content in about half of those gif's, so Circus's point is valid. 4 is pitifully small as evidence against someone.


I believe this is called a chainsaw defense? Circus is attacking Xastrn's case on Solid without giving any reasons why the case was bad. Chainsaw defenses are scummy. Circus says Solid hasn't been fence-sitty, but from what I have observed, solid has been quite fence-sitty indeed. If this is bussing, it's a bit blatant there Circus.
Wait, wait wait. I'm trying to understand this. You think that this is a "chainsaw defense" because Cicus is not not giving any reasons as to why Xastrn's case is bad? He gives a couple fairly good ones in the same paragraph, as a matter of fact, and only one of them is that "he isn't fence sitting":

Much like in his case on Ryu, in which he stretches his point about Ryu's gif posting and overexerts the scumminess of the action, he does likewise with Solid. Overselling the importance of how often Solid uses qualifiers, one-liners and his overall post count in the thread. He also states that Solid has been fence-sitty, which I haven't felt at all. He's been less black and white with his opinions, but he's kept up with discussion plenty, I feel. It looks like a legitimate playstyle difference to me, not a guise.
I don't see how you can look at this and say that there aren't any reasons, and I like you less for it. This is just pure not reading, and I'm not sure if you willingly ignored the whole of the paragraph or not.

Similarly, Circus, you could be viewed as scum who doesn't know how to frame/bus people in a convincing way. You're just jumping on the player who's already under scrutiny and tunneling them.
Oh hai, I'm trying to make Circus look bad while using crappy reasons since Circus has been under suspicion for several parts of the Day.

This is a threat at Frio that he will be a policy lynch if he doesn't post. ScumCircus capitalizing on inactives so that he can set up a series of mis-lynches?
Ok ok, what? OS can do the same thing with his "backup lynch" (essentially) and get off partially scotfree, but Circus can't do the same thing? Hell, even I constantly say that lynching inactives is ok D1 (see: Newbie 13 or Ragnarok). I haven't done it in this game because there are actually legit lynches up for grabs.

I don't like you, Kantrip.

Yeah, he's tunneling on the newbies real hard. Has he given his own stance or read on someone who wasn't already under scrutiny/an inactive?
Wait wait wait wait wait wait waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiit. There is no way in bloody hell that he has been tunneling. He has been strongly against John, who, by the way, HAS been acting scummy, but he has also been against several other people, like Xastrn, and has given decent reads on several people

How the heck can you miss the fact that he went against other people when you quoted him yourself in your little mega post? This is going beyond an "oops, I missed that LOL" and is getting into fishy territory.

Now for my anti-Xastrn post, which is coming up next. However, I find the Circus case to be severely lacking, and I have no reason to vote for Circus. He's still a solid null, though, not town, in my eyes.
 

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If OS doesn't appear are you thinking of moving to that lynch? Also Kantrip read moved down even after that post?

Btw, are you thinking of doing a fast move thinga-ma-jig? If you have what I think in my mind, I could go for that.

Oh what you wanna hear? Uhm, Nabe da bess flavour king? ;P
Circus is fine. I wanted Solid but I'll settle for this. Someone needs to write a case so it goes through.

I need a response from Xastrn.
 

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Ok, so I relooked, and my epiphany wasn't as big as it first appeared to be since I couldn't find post evidence. But whatever, I'll still say it and keep my vote where it is, since, in combination with other factors, it's still scummy.

If i was a vig, I'd just vig you and lynch werekill instead. Werekill is a better day 1 lynch target because of the connections he's established. But you're just scummy through and through.
For someone who is usually all about connections, why are you going for the person who is scummier but has less connections? You nearly had us lynch a guy the day before MYLO (30 rock) just for connections, so I don't see a single reason why you wouldn't do the same here, especially since this is day 1.

You also, from my experience of you, typically go for the guy who will give the most info to town, not the scummiest.

So yeah, that's basically it.
 

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Nevermind, I got ninja'd by you not finding the source on your scumpick and trying to save yourself.

Holy **** Werekill is obvscum.
 

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Votecount 8 - [8/15] - Deadline 11th October at 6PM GMT

Raziek [0]
T-Block [0]
Overswarm [0]
Xastrn [5] - dabuz, Nabe, Circus, Raziek, Werekill
Solid [1] - OS
Panta [0]
Red Ryu [0]
dabuz [1] - MOD
Nabe [0]
Circus [4] - Frio, J, Kantrip, Xastrn
Werekill [1] - RR
John2k4 [0]
Kantrip [2] - Panta, Solid
J [0]
Frio [1] - MOD

Not Voting [2] - John2k4, T-Block

Overswarm has been Prodded!
 

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There's no point delaying my vote, since I'm ok with either Solid or Circus at this point.


unvote
vote: Circus


Hoooooo boy. This is actually amazing. I ain't even mad about this anymore. I'm just excited to nail you now. Don't have time at this exact moment, but give me 20-30 minutes and I'll start ripping you a new one.
 

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unvote

I want to see what Circus has to say, but Werekill's most recent posts could be very important depending on what Circus flips.
 

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Circus, at this point, is the best D1 lynch candidate.

Thanks to Werekill's chainsaw defense, a Circus scum flip pins Werekill as scum.

Thanks to Circus' leading the Xastrn wagon, a Circus scum flip pins Xastrn as town.

For these same points, Circus' case on Xastrn becomes legitimate (and Xastrn jumping on Circus' wagon so fast) gives on a strong scum lead on Xastrn if Circus flips town.

If Circus is town, Werekill is not cleared because he could be scum trying to fake-bus the lynch target.

I have to go out for thanksgiving dinner soon, but I can have a case on Werekill tonight are tomorrow sometime if needed.
 

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Nevermind, I got ninja'd by you not finding the source on your scumpick and trying to save yourself.

Holy **** Werekill is obvscum.
Since I couldn't find an exact post that I thought existed that essentially said "hey I'm xasty and I love connections D1," I just used his general attitude. How is that scummy when the attitude points to the same conclusion? I just couldn't find an exact post that could serve as the only evidence.

And of course, your seeing me as a scumpick has NOTHING to do with me being against you and seeing you as scummy. :/

FoS: Kantrip, for obvious reasons.

Also, you did not get "ninja'd." there was a 4 minute difference between my post and yours, which is in no way a ninja.
 

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If it wasn't livetopic'd, he could have easily gotten ninja'd simply as a product of not refreshing the page. >_>
 

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It was a ninja because I didn't see it before I posted. I was on "Go Advanced" and your post didn't show up until after I posted.

Mind sharing these "obvious reasons"?

I thought you were coming up with a Xastrn case.
 

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Werekill, why are you voting Nabe? Is that vote still relevant? If not, why are you not voting Kantrip instead of FoS'ing him?
 

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Circus, at this point, is the best D1 lynch candidate.

Thanks to Werekill's chainsaw defense, a Circus scum flip pins Werekill as scum.

If Circus is town, Werekill is not cleared because he could be scum trying to fake-bus the lynch target.
What the ****? I did not give a chainsaw defence in any way, and you're just trying to make me look bad instead of responding.

Not only that, but you're saying here that I'm scum/probably not town no matter what Circus flips as, so what's the point of the flip at all? Sure we get info on Xast, but for all we know, they could be scum buddies on an early bus.

@Everyone: I'm totally down for either a Kantrip or Xastrn lynch. Who else here is unimpressed by Kan?

Also, this just SCREAMS omgus, but whatever. That just might be my anger talking.
 

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LOL Werekill. It's definitely chainsaw defense. You're attacking me for my case on Circus. That is the definition of chainsaw defense, and it is a type of bussing.

Why don't you want a Circus lynch? It does give us connections, and yours isn't the only one to be had.
 

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Werekill, why are you voting Nabe? Is that vote still relevant? If not, why are you not voting Kantrip instead of FoS'ing him?
I'm voting Xastrn, dude, and I'm keeping my vote on him because there isn't really a wagon yet on Kan. If there's not much chance for a lynch, I see no reason to vote for him this close to deadline.

Also, the ninja point was just a point for the sake of saying it. I should have clarified that it was just a correction.

@Kantrip: You want the reasons? Well they're blablabla bla blabbity *insert most of the case against Xastrn and add my comments about not liking his playstyle* bla bla.

And I was not making a case in any way, and I didn't allude to it in my earlier post. I said that I was going to add something that I thought was big enough for a vote, and I did in the next post.
 

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Votecount 8 - [8/15] - Deadline 11th October at 6PM GMT

Raziek [0]
T-Block [0]
Overswarm [0]
Xastrn [4] - dabuz, Nabe, Circus, Raziek
Solid [1] - OS
Panta [0]
Red Ryu [0]
dabuz [1] - MOD
Nabe [1] - Werekill
Circus [4] - Frio, J, Kantrip, Xastrn
Werekill [1] - RR
John2k4 [0]
Kantrip [2] - Panta, Solid
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Frio [1] - MOD

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I'm voting Xastrn, dude, and I'm keeping my vote on him because there isn't really a wagon yet on Kan. If there's not much chance for a lynch, I see no reason to vote for him this close to deadline.
You should probably start putting your vote at the bottom of your posts, if it was X1 who made the mistake. Hiding it in among the text just makes things annoying.
 

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LOL Werekill. It's definitely chainsaw defense. You're attacking me for my case on Circus. That is the definition of chainsaw defense, and it is a type of bussing.

Why don't you want a Circus lynch? It does give us connections, and yours isn't the only one to be had.
Really? I was going by your own ****ing definition:

I believe this is called a chainsaw defense? Circus is attacking Xastrn's case on Solid without giving any reasons why the case was bad. Chainsaw defenses are scummy.
Get your definitions straight. I was not attacking your case by not giving reasoning, and I was actually giving logical reasons. Stop using bigger terms as you see fit for the purposes of making someone look worse.

A circus lynch is bad because the case against him is faulty, and he would not give the most connections, unlike Xasty. Xastrn has been attacked or defended by almost everyone, I think, and in addition to getting rid of scum, it would give us valuable info.
 
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