Majoras Mask Mafia! DGames' Longest Game Ends - Who Won?!?!?!?

[Lore]

I always thought post 1000 was cooler.

Were, since you're here, could I get your thoughts on dabuz, Circus, and solid?

But I'm not here.... it's just an illusion! :o

But really, I have to go somewhere. Only person who I can give a read of off the top of my head is Circus; the case against him was severely lacking, and he's a null to me.

 

[Raziek]

I'm scum because I'm buddying J?

Buddying has its place. I will work with J as much as I feel like. Having a strong team of active players allows us to shift the focus where it needs to be, instead of simply pursuing random people. If it becomes necessary, I will re-evaluate my reads on those I trust.

I already covered this before. Playing paranoid Town hasn't worked out for me, and I'm in strong agreement with J's sentiments and play, so I will continue to work with him.

You haven't addressed any of the more recent content, or any of the changed thoughts since those posts, either.

 

[Kantrip]

Buddying J isn't the only point I had against you.

I realize I haven't addressed more recent posts. As I said, I was giving thoughts on everything up until I replaced in.

That doesn't invalidate the points I brought up.

Are you going to comment on anything else, or is your only comment about my read on you?

 

[Raziek]

So you're annoyed that I couldn't say much about Nabe and Solid, who had at most 2 or 3 posts that weren't RVS?

You pointed out that I asked J, to finish the job, when J had already SAID he was going to do so.

*sigh*

You're painting the J/Raz interaction in a light that completely ignores the fact that J and I have been bouncing ideas off EACH OTHER for most of the game. It's not a one-sided relationship like you make it out to be.

 

[Xastrn]

Every post before this one was extremely short and incredibly light on content.

After reading more carefully I'm leaning scum but it's not finite. I've never played a game with him before but I don't like how defensive he was being. Calling out OS' joke claim about Circus shows me that much. Defensive play could certainly be town but that plus the going after the easy guy in Spells makes me think bolder scum. Maybe a Joffrey Baratheon.

This feels like an attempt to play both sides, hold a weak stance, but pretend to contribute.
Read this paragraph and ask yourself "did Solid say ANYTHING in this paragraph?"
I'm noticing that this is the trend with his posts.

Don't like this. Overall Xastrn seems too buddyish for my tastes and this reason is a bad one. Not feeling a specific alignment. I also hate WIFOM so that doesn't help him.

Hi, I'm Solid and I don't take specific stances on things.

I don't see any problem with it. My being okay with Panta's lynch 'instantly' could be unsettling, but I stand by it because his play is scummy.

Notice that when he DOES take a stance, it's one that's already popular.

Quality question, I like it. I'd sleep with you to keep you close. And because you won't kill your children. Now I have a question for you: you're Robb Stark, riding into battle. Who, of the active players, do you name as castellan of Winterfell in your absence?

As much as I love A Song of Ice and Fire, this whole bit was distracting and didn't add to the game. It just screams "i'm trying to look like i'm helping and being clever" when it isn't doing much of either. The fact that it's a not-quite-mainstream fantasy story that is not likely to have been read by the majority of the rest of us makes it a useless-to-town trick.

John, if you read my posts, it's pretty clear that I want more input from you, and some actual elaboration. You're giving nothing.

This is an example of several one liner posts that add to his middling post count, but don't contribute much.

Solid had 54 posts total when I did his post search. that places him firmly in the middle of the activity scale. perfect place for scum to hide out. Not going to be called out for inactivity, but not giving us much more to play with.

Other players using this include OS. -1 to him. I offered buddying to him hoping it'd be useful, but thus far he's given me very little to want to keep him around, other than his potential at possibly being useful. His chart was nice, but he hasn't offered any updates, nor has he indicated that he will definitely keep it going. i'm left wondering if I should recreate my own version from scratch, or hope he updates it or what.
His utility is like Obama winning the nobel prize before doing ANYTHING to promote peace. It's all potential, and none of it is being actualized.
@ OS: You need to give us more.

Interesting choice. Elaborate on why J is Theon.

Do you think his gambit was wise? Isn't the job of all scum to act like town? Elaborate on how he'd be 'throwing scum off' when scum already knows the alignment of everyone (barring indie/multiple factions) in the game. I think you can do better than that.


Overswarm originally placed Panta as the fallback lynch. Since it is your theory that Panta is the 'scapegoat', put in place by scum as the second lynch, do you think Overswarm is scum?

All questions. No content. Solid is consistently posting nothing of his own, but keeping his post count up with tiny contributions or questions without real dialogue.

Also, he kept the Game of thrones stuff going. not helpful. (way better than ace attorney stuff, though.)

Nabe, I've never played a game of Mafia with you before (I think?). Based upon my posts so far in this game, if we lived in Westeros, who would I be?

Fluff. more questions. no content. more game of thrones.

So you don't think getting reads on people who were on or off the bandwagon, plus your reaction to the wagon (which didn't work because RR backed off and you weren't here) should be considered benefits? This is D1 of a Mafia game, what's more beneficial than information, pray tell? Werekill acting waaaay too defensive and accusatory regarding the RR issue, do not like that.

More questions. One sentence of his own thoughts: He doesn't like werekill. a very popular sentiment at the time of his post. Scum do that.

Will do.

Ah, I forgot about that. In any case, he's not at L-1 now (and I never actually voted for him so technically he shouldn't have been at L-1 but I should've made that more clear) so I'm still a bit skeptical.

That reminds me: Unvote: Vote John2k4 you need to start posting content and stop coasting, scum.

So you don't think a read on a wagon is good information? Why's that?

Also answer this please:

No content. Just chatter. voting for another inactive who isn't popular. more tiny questions.

I find it hard to believe that only 9 people have been called scummy this game, OS. May I ask what post that data goes up to from 117? Also interested to know if your vote on me is your interpretation of the data you presented or something else. If so, what part of that data led to your interpretation?

@J: Theon is a character from A Game of Thrones. He's a friend to Robb (one of the good guys/kind of a major character) and treats him like a brother, but takes over his castle when he's off fighting.

Tiny questions. STILL no content.

Solid is offering NOTHING of himself up, but keeps looking active by just poking at the game here and there with little questions.


At this point, I can tell Raziek and J are keying in Solid's lack of content and both start asking him directly for his reads.

I like his pressure on John, because I also think John is scummy, so at this point I'm liking him. Not sure how to read his posts regarding J. Wasn't sure about him earlier but he's looking pretty good right now.

He likes circus, doesn't like john.

What do you mean? I don't think OS' thing is scummy, I just want to know his reasoning.

Xastrn hasn't posted in a while, but he's okay. I said I was uneasy on him earlier and I think that still holds true as he hasn't lately as I said. I suppose I don't have a full read on him at this time.

I suppose Circus fits in with OS' info dump and his ideas of how scum may stick out while attempting to fit in, but I'm not convinced on him.

When asked his opinion of the three of us, his three responses are:
1. i unno
2. i unno
3. i unno.


<.<
>.>

Oh, I gotcha. Seeming town, but then again other than his images and his infodump with the vote on me he really hasn't posted, and hasn't really displayed his opinion at all. So yeah, can't be sure at the moment.

Actually points out that when players don't put themselves out there and display their opinion, you can't be sure of them. He's well aware of what he's doing. At this point, OS had contributed quite a bit more to the game than Solid had.

I'm out for the night, will post in the morning after the inevitable late night goings on.

Post count padding. I've skipped most of his padding posts, but there are like 10 of these type of posts in the thread. brings his true post count down into the low 40s at best, and most of those have been weak, short, and not sharing anything of himself.

John, while I agree Circus may be quick to act, can you explain your vote? It seems like blatant OMGUS and bandwagoning to me, same with Frio.



Yeah, I'm not liking him. Especially this post:



What this says to me is "I didn't realize I was being attacked (me: how does this happen), but since I am, I'm going to vote the guy pressuring me for the reasons someone else stated." Too bandwagon-y, too OMGUS. Not good. He and John haven't contributed jack. I asked John for information when he was catching up a few days ago and got nothing. These guys are coasting.

More tiny thoughts, all easy stuff to say.
Calls people out for coasting, but solid isn't really contributing at ALL.

Ask yourself this: what has Solid brought to this game.
I can't come up with anything at all.
John and Frio are in the same boat, as is Dabuz to a lesser extent.
At least RR gave us his gambit and OS gave us those charts. Werekill and circus have had their share of the spotlight, and while neither handled it well, we can at least expect them to contribute and give us more to read on day 2 ->.
I'd rather lynch a half-contributing person who won't give us much more on day 2 (based on his day 1 play) than someone like circus or wk who are at least giving us more to read. Solid is a good lynch toDay.

Give me a reason to and I'll think about it.



You weren't around when you were at L-1, so why are you so hung up about it?

I didn't think that it was a good wagon, and any reads on it were essentially useless since it was controversial/badly reasoned enough to make any townie think that it was a bad wagon and disagree with it. The same thing happened in a BRoom game that just finished (hey Dastrn. :3) against Scamp, and guess what? He was town, and all reads from the wagon were mostly useless./QUOTE]

Your logic here is that no reads from the wagon are useful because the wagon was bad, and the wagon was bad because the wagon was bad? I'll give you another shot at an explanation.



Don't expect me to post during the day, I have school.



Leaning dumb.



I don't think he's scum, and I don't think the cases on him were particularly strong. J said he wasn't ready to 'bring it home' yet but I'm interested to see what that entails. Case on John that Circus just posted looks good but I just skimmed it.



Playing like a newbie, don't like that. He's coasting a little as well, hasn't done much and his reasoning for pushing Circus is weak. Would like more actual reasoning from him.

Where the hell is Panta?

Finally a post with more than 2 sentences. Let's see here...oh they are all 1-2 sentence replies to lots of other posts. He's basically giving us 4 of his usual short posts, but all in one to make it look longer.

Lots of "meh" in all this. lots of "i'm interested to see..." or "i don't think..." or "would like more..." none of this is taking the town anywhere, and none of it can be pinned on you.

Posting now. More is coming immediately following.

 

[X1-12]

Votecount in #989 has been amended. In future it would make it easier for me if you guys posted your votes in white so they stand out better. However I will also try and be more thorough when searching through posts.

 

[Dastrn]

Hi Ryu why'dya vote OS?

Raz, what do you think about John?

Nabe, you got that answer yet?

*Solid rolls random tiny post*
No info.
small questions.
none of these questions are leading the town towards a likely lynch.
This is more of the same: throwaway posts intending to appear active and inquisitive. Have you noticed that Solid isn't following these questions up with dialogue as people answer? it's as if he has no intention of these posts leading him anywhere...hmm.

Okay good haha. Well like I said, I'm still interested to see you 'bring the case home' if that's still going down. It's just that Raz's case doesn't seem especially strong, part of it was based on Raz's opinion on John, which I disagree about, and the remainder was fairly subjective, for example Raz saying Circus was 'obviously trying to slip under the radar', which is something I disagree with. This case was yesterday though, and things have changed, so if I'm missing something let me know.

This is one of Solid's best posts of the game. But when you look at it, it is all "middling." the "okay good haha" feels artificial, like he's trying to feel friendly.

he's responding to J again. only J and raz seem to be able to get him to post anything because they are both asking him specific questions.

+1 to both of them.

Each sentence in that paragraph is a weak collection of words that doesn't add up to anything. He even ends with a "meh things have changed...don't hold me accountable to this weak stance."

It's as if he's afraid of what he's saying. The reason I think solid is so hesitant to put himself out there is because he is lying when he gives reads on people and he's having to make them up as he goes along.

Bleh J, I'm an idiot. Here's my thoughts on that big ol case.

more brown-nosing to J

I don't know about this it seems to me that Circus has been pretty adamant about never thinking the wagon was for real.



Things like the bolded are subjective.

saying nothing in these two statements. Lots of qualifiers like "i don't know...."

I can agree with this. But at the same time John really hadn't contributed anything before Circus went after him, so there wasn't much to build a case on. I suppose he shouldn't have built a case at that point then so yeah overall I can agree. Now that Circus has actually posted a case, how do you feel about his thoughts on John?

More qualifiers on everything: "I agree but at the same time...", "i suppose", "yeah overall i can agree"...

True enough.

scum tell. I always look for people saying "fair enough" or "true enough" as a scum slip. it's a subtle way to agree and get away with changing your position on something.

This is still subjective, your reads are different from Circus'.

I disagree here, I think John/Frio have come off as opportunistic, but I do agree that he's going pretty hard for something of that nature.

Then the rest is fine, and I can agree that Circus' response to the pressure by you and Raz hasn't been the best.

But yeah overall I just don't think it's that strong. It seems like a lot of it stems from disagreeing on John and Frio, and some subjective stuff that basically amounts to disagreements in reads. After rereading though I'm kind of split on the case, the general gist of it I disagree with but there's parts that I do agree with that make me a bit more uneasy about Circus, such as some of his assumptions and refutations of your case. I still think he's town though, at this point.[/QUOTE]
more qualifiers loading up this rare paragraph:
"but yeah overall..."
"I just dont think..."
"It seems like..."
"i'm kind of split on the case"
" the general gist i disagree with but there's parts that i do agree with"
"a bit more uneasy"
"at this point."

wow this whole paragraph is literally FULL of qualifiers and half stances in both directions.

No, I didn't. I said I would think about it if you gave me a good reason.

Then I'd tell you that you have a pretty cool role.

PR fishing. Scummy!

It stems from the fact that we have similar views on John and that he really hasn't done anything really scummy in my opinion. Reading through the case I think there are some things that could be seen as scummy but overall it's a small amount. He's leaning town for now, but I want to see how his back and forth with you and J continues to go.

qualifiers:
"in my opinion"
"could have been scummy but..."
"leaning town for now ,but i want to see..."

Then we think differently.



No need to mentor me, I know that. I don't have him slated as super town, I said that I'm leaning town with him at the moment and I'll be watching him.

weak.

He went from "leaning town" to "i'll be watching him".

This is the first time he said he'd be watching him. He added that here so he wouldn't have to strongly disagree with someone, or to back off slightly from his town read in case he needed to later.

John, why are you so reluctant to disclose your views?

Irony

That didn't answer my question. This entire game you've been getting by with posting very little actual content, and that's not about to keep up. I don't think you've posted your views on anyone's post in the entire game. u scum or...?

IRONY

John, it's requiring much too much effort on the parts of myself and others to get anything out of you, and I do not like that one bit.

irony

I want to point out that I have been looking at John for content for a while now. There's this post from two days ago and this post from a little earlier. Don't think is something that's just come out of nowhere. And I don't think he's given me anything when I've asked for content all game either.

Panta, where are you? Thoughts on Raziek, if you ever come back to this game.

Personally not liking Raziek much after seeing him talk with OS. Looking at the votecount I see 4 people with 2 or 3 votes on them, how 2 wagons could be pulled out of that I'm not sure.

RR, did you ever answer my question about why you're voting OS?

Doesn't like raziek now. Raz is one of the only ones pulling content out Solid, and now solid doesn't like him for his interactions with OS, which most of us were ok with. I wonder if Raz was doing anything threatening to Solid's playstyle of "reveal nothing, be passive."...

I thought you had, RR, I was just checking. Thanks.

Another example of post padding. I skipped a few more. do a search if you want to see the ones I skipped.

This section smells bad. Especially the bolded. You specifically state that inexperienced players would be more likely to only spoke when spoken to and play cautiously (which is just speculation and has no basis in fact) while then saying John, Panta, and Frio haven't seemed scummy to you. Are we looking at the same John? You clearly haven't read the numerous times when I (or J, Raz, or whoever else) attempt to get any information out of him and he's given us the smallest bits possible. If that's not playing cautious and only speaking when spoken to, I don't know what is. I'd be glad to read a post where John comes out and says his feelings without being pressured into doing so.

Also almost all of your reads seem pretty damn cautious to me.



How do you make a more carefully worded post than this?

I don't like this contradiction one bit:


So it was reasonable for him to react how he did when he was - as you put it "not in any real danger of getting lynched unless someone stupidly hammered"? How does that work?

Do not like this post one bit.

Vote: Kantrip

Wow hilarious. I added the red coloring to highlight things that made me chuckle.

Probably won't be around much later tonight, so I guess I'm out.

Allow me to paraphrase:

" +1 to my vote count ya'll. see you tomorrow!"

At this point, Solid's true post count is probably down to 34-36. 2 more post pads followed this one that night.

I don't think Kantrip is necessarily scum at this point, I just don't like that post. If he comes back with some good explanations and some posts that stick out to him, then the vote may go away.

ZOIKS. look at this back peddling. He got pressure for his stance on kantrip, which looked like a pretty hard stance in the above post...suddenly, he's already planning on removing that vote?

Solid, you are scum.

Dabuz is still a little cloudy in my mind. I think his case on Xastrn is decent at best, with some stretches (the first quote for example, I interpreted it to mean Xastrn thinks Raz has info, but I suppose it could be seen as how dabuz read it). A lot of it is a stretch, like calling him scum for giving compliments. Yeah, I could see how things could go that way, but it's a bit of a stretch in my mind. I think dabuz could be scum possibly, because his case has a lot of holes and he's been pretty cautious imo with his posting, but for now he's okay. Actually now that I reread the case I'm liking him less. I don't know about Xastrn though though. All his fluff makes my head spin, and I think I need to reread some of his other posts than the ones in the case. I'll get back to you this afternoon, gotta get ready for school.

qualifiers:

"cloudy"
"i think his case is decent at best"
"yeah i could see..."
"could be scum possibly..."
"but for now he's ok...."
"actually now that i reread.."
"I don't know..."
"i'll get back to you..."

unvote
vote: Solid

 

[Xastrn]

I skipped his last 4-5 posts because I have to head out for the fights now.
Spent half my afternoon on this research, so anyone who ignores it is a communist.

Solid has played the epitome of "cautious scum". After this game, I will bookmark this case against him so I can teach all the little children in mafia school about how to catch cautious scum on day 1.

 

[Lore]

Has Ema Skye been claimed as an AA character?

 

[Circus]

Promised I'd give some people a second look, and I have. But I think we are most definitely dealing with Nasty Dasty this game (or Nasty Xasty, as it were), so I'm still very cool with where my vote is.

Xastrn hopped off of Red "scummy through and through" Ryu because he knows he can't make it work and switched to Solid with a case that's about as crappy as the one he pulled on Ryu. Dastrn tried to make this not look like a giant swing in a different direction by telling us that he has apparently had this case planned for a while in his 994, but it doesn't help. In fact, that he telegraphs this move before he does it actually makes it look even worse. "I know you guys are gonna think I'm just doing this in a desperate attempt to throw the spotlight off of me, BUT I'M TOTALLY NOT...." It looks like he scrambled to paste together a scum read on Solid so he had something to do other than defend himself from scrutiny and that's it.

Much like in his case on Ryu, in which he stretches his point about Ryu's gif posting and overexerts the scumminess of the action, he does likewise with Solid. Overselling the importance of how often Solid uses qualifiers, one-liners and his overall post count in the thread. He also states that Solid has been fence-sitty, which I haven't felt at all. He's been less black and white with his opinions, but he's kept up with discussion plenty, I feel. It looks like a legitimate playstyle difference to me, not a guise.

Xastrn is scum who doesn't know how to frame/bus people in a convincing way. He just picked a player who speaks in grey language and tried to make him look like a shady character, even though Solid has actually been pretty open and talkative, from my point of view. We should really lynch Xastrn toDay.

Kantrip, I was a little worried about you, but that 995 is beautiful (if very, very long). Keep bein' a G.

@Frio: I took your comment that you would be done with mid-terms by Friday as a sort of soft promise that you would be giving some much needed attention to this game by now. Maybe you're behind and you still need to catch up, but state that in thread if that's the case. You're not getting out of Day 1 without playing this game for real. At least, not if you expect to survive past Day 2.

@John:

Doing my catching up for the day, but for now...

Unvote

That quote is from more than a day ago. Please explain to me, in detail, the reason behind your unvote. What did I do that changed your mind about me? With as much or more detail, please explain why you didn't vote for someone new. Is there no one in the game that you have a scum read on? Is there no one in the game that you feel comfortable pushing without them already having multiple people on their wagon? Are you going to give any solid opinions on anything? Are you going to continue coasting and playing the newb card and not answering my questions? Are you ever going to start bussing your scumbuddy Xastrn?

 

[Kantrip]

@mod, I can post votes and such in white. No problem

Yeah, so is Xastrn still the play after that?

@J & dabuz: Thoughts on X's case against solid.

 

[Kantrip]

Circus: I'd like to know what you liked about my post. This can be brief.

 

[#HBC | J]

Mind if I withhold my personal opinion because it may sway some things. ^^

Kantrip, I love you now, you remind me so much of a player I know. I do like a lot of your post. Let me ask you, what's your opinion of Solid based on Xastrn's case? Opinion Circus based on his response?

 

[Kantrip]

I strongly dislike the majority of Xastrn's post. Just reading it lets off that it is forced and reachy. A great deal of it is arguing semantics, saying that

"fair enough" is a scumslip, or saying "maybe", "i don't know", or "possibly" is instantly scummy on-the-fence behaviour.

X uses PR fishing in his case. X also PR speculated earler.

X uses inactivity in his case. He's not pushing for the more inactive players such as John, Frio, etc.

He found the scummiest things about Solid's play and tried to blow them up to something much bigger than they are.

I have an opinion on Circus' response, but I'd rather wait to share it, if you don't mind.

 

[#HBC | J]

Haha using my card of waiting before sharing. xD

But you didn't give me what Xastrn's case does for you with regards to Solid. =P

 

[Kantrip]

Oh you're right, I misread the question.

Xastrn's case does nothing for my read on Solid. It didn't bring anything new to my attention.

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm sorry I'm leaving early tonight because the cast list for a show I just auditioned for got posted and I got the lead which is akhfusduwhjnd fantastic. Soooo I'm gonna go chill and come back to seriousness tomorrow haha.

 

[Circus]

Circus: I'd like to know what you liked about my post. This can be brief.

In addition to just sharing your opinion on many of the reads you gave, I really, really, really like your examination of the relationship between J and Raziek, specifically on Raziek's side of things. You make valid points that you seem to have largely arrived at independently. That's the key part for me. Not because I'm necessarily there with you in regards to Raziek, but because I find your reasoning good and your interest in pursuit genuine since Raz isn't really a point of interest at this time. It also acts as a really good contrast to certain other play that we've seen this game, and is a good example of what sincere scumhunting looks like. It highlights why Xastrn babbling about qualifiers and talking about a phrase as innocuous as "fair enough" as a scumslip is such nonsense.

 

[Kantrip]

Congrats on getting the lead!

Fair enough, Circus.

Umad Xastrn?

 

[Xastrn]

Promised I'd give some people a second look, and I have. But I think we are most definitely dealing with Nasty Dasty this game (or Nasty Xasty, as it were), so I'm still very cool with where my vote is.

You say this every time we play together. You're wrong about 60% of the time. You're like my new xsyven.

Xastrn hopped off of Red "scummy through and through" Ryu because he knows he can't make it work

I'd be a fool to try to lynch someone no one wants to lynch. What would it accomplish to go down pushing for the lynch I liked best earlier when there is more work to do and no one seems interested in that direction. Have you changed votes today? Have you called anyone scummy before voting me?
You're calling the normal flow of a Day a bad thing.

] by telling us that he has apparently had this case planned for a while in his 994
but it doesn't help. In fact, that he telegraphs this move before he does it actually makes it look even worse. "I know you guys are gonna think I'm just doing this in a desperate attempt to throw the spotlight off of me, BUT I'M TOTALLY NOT...." It looks like he scrambled to paste together a scum read on Solid so he had something to do other than defend himself from scrutiny and that's it.

I've had this read on him for a while, but I hadn't done most of the research on it until after I posted that.
Also, I was asked specifically by J to make a case on someone, and pushing for RR would have been asinine. What would you suggest, honestly? Make another case against someone I think is playing very scummy and listen to you ***** about it, or ignore what J said 'at my own peril' and not make the case I wanted to make? Answer this question.
In following J's suggestion to go ahead and make the case I've wanted to make, I'm stuck listening to you calling it scummy for me to even make a case. Am I supposed to play defense only? Is that pro-town behavior?

Consider this: If Raziek or J or Nabe had made my exact post, how would you have felt about it? Pretend one of them did, don't just answer automatically, because I'm sure you're just telling yourself what you'd want to say, rather than honestly considering it. My case isn't weak at all. You're just tunnel-visioned on me right now and ignoring a rather good case.

But keep it up. Tunnel vision wins games...(for scum).

I bet circus is scum with solid.

Much like in his case on Ryu, in which he stretches his point about Ryu's gif posting and overexerts the scumminess of the action, he does likewise with Solid. Overselling the importance of how often Solid uses qualifiers, one-liners and his overall post count in the thread. He also states that Solid has been fence-sitty, which I haven't felt at all. He's been less black and white with his opinions, but he's kept up with discussion plenty, I feel. It looks like a legitimate playstyle difference to me, not a guise.

Xastrn is scum who doesn't know how to frame/bus people in a convincing way. He just picked a player who speaks in grey language and tried to make him look like a shady character, even though Solid has actually been pretty open and talkative, from my point of view. We should really lynch Xastrn toDay.

This is all quite bad. You're blatantly defending solid before he even responds to my case. The thing is, you're not contradicting ANYTHING I'm saying with examples of posts, or anything remotely concrete. You're just saying "I feel he's been contributing and mostly honest."
Well, NEAT. I don't care what you FEEL. Do some research and prove it. Make a post as well researched as mine, with examples for why you feel that way.

If you want to flat out defend another player, at least come back with SOMETHING, rather than "nuh uh, cause i disagree. so you're wrong." Because responsing with "i feel differently, so you're scum" is just weak as hell and won't fly...

well, in this game it might because people are getting away with whatever they want. OS is right that scum is going to win this game. We're getting flat out outplayed, and there's a quicktopic full of laughs someplace out there.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

I'll respond to everything tomorrow.

For now I want to throw this out there: have any of you played a game with me before?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

What are peoples opinions of Panta's long catch up?

A lot of people just ignored it.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Saving a bit of a post for Monday night on a CPU, but I owe the thread something especially since I've been avoiding Xastrn.

I started this wagon with a mostly town on Xastrn -- trying to grab reads on others. The wagon kinked up and I didn't get as much as I wanted. Scum read built on Kantrip, scum read continuing to build on Raz. But if anything, my read on Xastrn has shifted down rather than up.

@Overswarm, tell me about Solid.
@Solid, tell me about J.
@J, tell me what I want to hear.
@Xastrn, why aren't you voting me?

 

[Kantrip]

Do you think you could provide reasoning for your reads before the end of toDay, Nabe?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Oh, deadline is Monday. I'll make something happen tomorrow, yeah.

To be clear, if OS hasn't posted within 12 hours, Xastrn wagon needs to tie off and hammer. But Solid needs to post before any lynch.

 

[John2k4]

@John:

That quote is from more than a day ago. Please explain to me, in detail, the reason behind your unvote. What did I do that changed your mind about me?

You've still got my FoS, Circus. I removed my vote from you for now, because those couple uber-long posts got me considering a new vote for the time being.

With as much or more detail, please explain why you didn't vote for someone new. Is there no one in the game that you have a scum read on?

I've posted my few reads many, many pages back (I think when Solid was asking for them). You are free to go treasure hunting for them; it's late and I don't feel like trawling through the posts.

Is there no one in the game that you feel comfortable pushing without them already having multiple people on their wagon? Are you going to give any solid opinions on anything?

I'll be honest with you - I'm seriously considering the Xastrn wagon that's currently rolling.

Are you going to continue coasting and playing the newb card and not answering my questions?

I've been trying to answer most of your questions, so I'm not sure about this one. :/

 

[X1-12]

Votecount 8 - [8/15] - Deadline 11th October at 6PM GMT

Raziek [0]
T-Block [0]
Overswarm [0]
Xastrn [6] - J, dabuz, Nabe, Circus, Kantrip, Raziek
Solid [2] - OS, Xastrn
Panta [0]
Red Ryu [0]
dabuz [1] - MOD
Nabe [1] - Werekill
Circus [1] - Frio
Werekill [1] - RR
John2k4 [0]
Kantrip [2] - Panta, Solid
J [0]
Frio [1] - MOD

Not Voting [2] - John2k4, T-Block

Deadline is set for 6PM GMT on October 11th

Frio has been Prodded!

 

[Lore]

After a quick reread of a few pages, I've decided that Xasty might be the best lynch out of the few decent choices we have. It might just be his playstyle, but his posts and reasoning behind some of his statements are a bit scummy.

I don't feel too comfortable putting him at L-1, so if someone else does it, I might hammer.

 

[Lore]

@mod: why did the deadline get changed in that vote count?

Also, come on guys. Post. :/

 

[X1-12]

Thread title and previous votecount fixed to correct deadline

 

[Dabuz]

Xastrn's case on solid isn't' anything strong, i read it as: "oh, Solid hasn't been committal in his posts, therefore he must be scum because he isn't ready to give out hard reads. Also, his posting habits look scummy. BTW guys, Solid has been asking a lot of questions and giving short sentences"

Blegh, its a bad case


@Nabe: When Overswarm posted his chart early in the Day, did you get anything out of it?

 

[#HBC | J]

Scum read built on Kantrip, scum read continuing to build on Raz. But if anything, my read on Xastrn has shifted down rather than up.

@J, tell me what I want to hear.

If OS doesn't appear are you thinking of moving to that lynch? Also Kantrip read moved down even after that post?

Btw, are you thinking of doing a fast move thinga-ma-jig? If you have what I think in my mind, I could go for that.

Oh what you wanna hear? Uhm, Nabe da bess flavour king? ;P

 

[#HBC | J]

Unvote

I love curveballs.

 

[#HBC | J]

Raz is here, yay. I need you here cuz I need to talk with you.

 

[Raziek]

Do tell!

 

[#HBC | J]

You've been following me a bit so let's role-reversal a bit.

Tell me what you think of Circus' last big post and Solid's first reaction to Xastrn's case.

 

[Raziek]

Alrighty. *goes to find those posts*

 

[#HBC | J]

I also have more questions for you but while you do that.

Kantrip, I see you there viewing. Let's talk. Who would you vote out of Circus, solid, and let's bring back up the FB lynch if Dastrn wasn't an option?

 

[Raziek]

Just to make sure, J: Circus' 1010 and Solid's 1021?

 

[#HBC | J]

Exactomundo.

Can you also predict what I'm going to be doing?