Majoras Mask Mafia! DGames' Longest Game Ends - Who Won?!?!?!?

[Kantrip]

I like that post, Circus. Very similar thoughts to the ones I've gotten on Xastrn recently.

@Xastrn, you may want to start answering all these questions

 

[#HBC | J]

Hmph. I need more people to talk because I feel I have talked enough at the moment. Sooooo g'night for tonight. ^^ I might not be here much tomorrow so I'll try and be read up on Saturday or someday before deadline on monday.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

This is going in an excellent direction.

@Red Ryu: What are you thinking at the moment, post-OS-callout?

@Circus: Would you have voted for Xastrn if I hadn't asked you?
@Kantrip: Would you have voted for Xastrn if J hadn't been arguing with you?
@Raziek: What made you decide on Xastrn?

 

[Xastrn]

Circus, most of my posts in the last 12 hours have been focused on answering questions about me and my case on RR. werekill hasn't been on the table because i'm comfortable answering questions about myself just fine. I'm not afraid of this wagon for 2 reasons: 1. objectively, i think it's weak, and it will fizzle out over time. and 2. my flip will give you all much to work with, since i've taken heat from several people, and made cases against several people, so even if i get lynched, i think town is doing well this game.

if i wasn't taking this much heat, i'd be posting more about werekill, but i only have so much time to focus on this game, and it seems most fair for me to address people's concerns about my play. I could be posting about werekill right now, but 1. he's not posting. and 2. you expect a response to your concerns. your concerns are wise, and i would be foolish to ignore them and make a case on werekill. then you'd just say "dastrn's ignoring my case on him and just flailing about trying to redirect".
the fairest thing i can do is address your concerns openly and take my time.
sometimes i don't want to repeat myself. RL is keeping me busy. check my post history on the boards in the last week or two. i'm swamped. work is hard but good, and is requiring a lot of my time. I get tired and sometimes i'd prefer you didn't ask me to repeat myself, when a search with my name will turn up what you need. i had to do it for RR when he asked me to. you can name search me just as easily.

i'm not interested in "judo-throwing" you back into the conversation. My read on you is mostly town at this point. Don't forget i'm the person who slowed your wagon. Doesn't mean I won't call you out on little stuff when i need to.

 

[Raziek]

@Nabe: Depends on what you mean by "decide".

If you mean placing my vote, it's because he refuses to answer J.

If you mean deciding he's scum, just look at how grody the post above this one is.

I'm going to bed too.

 

[John2k4]

I'm ok with RR not being the lynch toDay. I just think he's scum, is all, and I've explained why several times. Do your own homework and look up my posts regarding him.

RR has been full of pure fluff lately. Hard to read off of just that.

I shouldn't move my vote to werekill yet. RR should answer my case against him. Werekill will get lynched soon enough, whether I make the case now or later or someone else does. I think werekill is probably the best lynch for toDay, but that doesn't mean my vote will be with him yet. votes have a lot more purpose than just contributing to a lynch, right?

Why exactly are you stating that Werekill will get lynched "soon enough" in that nonchalant manner? In your eyes, what purposes are the votes playing apart from lynch?

I've made my case against RR. I've stated explicitly that I'm very aware that it's not a terribly deep case. I've also stated explicitly that I don't believe Day1 cases are required to be deep.

They don't have to be deep, but first posts can tall a lot about the players of the game. Help to build profiles on them, see how they react to different situations, etc. I'd say that D1 is for testing the waters, and seeing what happens.

 

[Kantrip]

@Kantrip: Would you have voted for Xastrn if J hadn't been arguing with you?

I'd like to say yes, but that isn't true.

J helped me to completely formulate my opinion on Xatsrn. Without our argument, I don't think I would have voted Xastrn.

 

[Raziek]

In unrelated news, before I actually go to bed:

Raziek 140
J 133
Nabe 106
T-block 30

Step it up or you're off the team, T-Block.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

You have to like an honest player. If they're scum and they scumslip they'll still be honest about it

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Let's all go to bed. I just wrote an essay!

 

[Kantrip]

I probably would admit a scumslip, lol.

But I don't think I would have any slips if I were scum.

 

[Lore]

Ugh, too many pages! I'll reply to you eventually, RR.

Xastrn, what connections, exactly, are you talking about lynching me for? All I've heard you say is CONNECTIONS CONNECTIONS CONNECTIONS without actually giving any examples of said connections.

I'm still not sure if I want to lynch you or not, though. You're still feeling a lot like you normally do to me, which is a generic scummy feeling all around, but we saw in 30 rock just how accurate that vibe is. >_<

 

[Lore]

Also, how far is Xastrn from lynch?

 

[Raziek]

L-3, I think.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ok Xatres, let's see what your actually offering me for a case on me.

You failed to point out where I did this before with any backbone to what I deflected.

The bolded is the purpose of this post, I asked you where to point out where I did this and you still have failed to show me this.

This one is legit, I was joking around.

Same with this one.

[yt]svlohGzbPn4[/yt]

Spoiler

Aka no

J: I got some things from this like how people reacted to me in RvS, doing laundry will brb and explain.

Point of this post was my answer to being a day cop. Not fluff.

If I use them, I like using this lady.

Why is Solid worthy of being trusted as town?

The bolded is the purpose of this post, I wanted to see why Solid was worth being trusted.

J, should I stop with the Gifs?

Also what does Solid look like to you alignment wise?

First was a joke question.
The second was not.

What do you hope to gain from this Xastrn?

I once again ask you what you were doing asking me about the .gifs.

~

So what exactly is not contributing, I'm looking for answers and the truth, not trying to hide behind .gifs. I want to know who I can trust in this game over others I cannot trust.

Your case has little merit.

 

[#HBC | J]

In unrelated news, before I actually go to bed:

Raziek 140
J 133
Nabe 106
T-block 30

Step it up or you're off the team, T-Block.

I...don't have the highest post count? Huh? ;_;

 

[X1-12]

Votecount 8 - [8/15] - Deadline 11th October

Raziek [0]
T-Block [0]
Overswarm [0]
Xastrn [5] - J, dabuz, Nabe, Circus, Raziek
Solid [2] - OS, Kantrip
Panta [1] - T-Block
Red Ryu [1] - Xastrn
dabuz [1] - MOD
Nabe [1] - Werekill
Circus [2] - Frio, John2k4
Werekill [1] - RR
John2k4 [0]
Kantrip [2] - Panta, Solid
J [0]
Frio [1] - MOD

Not Voting [0]

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

@Solid: What makes you say that if you are lynched, dabuz should be investigated. It seems like an odd choice. Is he a scumspect of yours?

I don't know, I just feel like we haven't gotten very much out of him this game, and the stuff we have gotten (including his case on Xastrn) isn't very solid. I think he could be scum.

I'd ask OS to clarify his own SOLID read because he wants to lynch SOLID toDay.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa. YOU said I was your biggest scumpick, YOU have to defend it. You can't put that on anyone else.

I no longer do. My catch-up post was a heaping pile of crap. If I happen to find what I was thinking when I wrote that post, maybe it will come back to me.

So now you're retracting all of your reads except Xastrn, because you're voting him. So essentially you've given us absolutely nothing, if that's the case. This post is just disgusting. I want backed up reads from you, no more of this bull****.

Going to reread Xastrn case real quick and get back with my thoughts on his wagon.

 

[Xastrn]

Ok Xatres, let's see what your actually offering me for a case on me.



The bolded is the purpose of this post, I asked you where to point out where I did this and you still have failed to show me this.



This one is legit, I was joking around.



Same with this one.



Point of this post was my answer to being a day cop. Not fluff.



The bolded is the purpose of this post, I wanted to see why Solid was worth being trusted.



First was a joke question.
The second was not.



I once again ask you what you were doing asking me about the .gifs.

~

So what exactly is not contributing, I'm looking for answers and the truth, not trying to hide behind .gifs. I want to know who I can trust in this game over others I cannot trust.

Your case has little merit.

What you're ignoring is that you are posting gifs to communicate a feeling you are having, or a reaction to what someone else is saying. And you're not using words, which we can hold you to. you are posting gifs that you can pretend later meant ANYTHING.

Adding 1 sentence or 2 sentences tops after your gif doesn't mean you made a well-thought out post. I'm posting 200-400 word posts to make my cases and defenses. So is circus. so is J. Werekill and Raz and Nabe are all doing more. OS's posts have rare in the last 36 hours but when he posts they are long. same with t-blocks.

You stand out, IMO, because you are posting 1 sentence posts with a gif. Notice how my words and circus' words have brought us under scrutiny? that's how this is SUPPOSED to work. it' a good thing. We have to defend ourselves, and we are saying things we're going to be held to all game.

@everyone: other than general reads on people, what can you tell me about Red Ryu's opinion on certain play styles, his stance on what types of players are best lynches on day 1, what his plan is going into day 2, or ANYTHING else other than general scum/town stances on people? It's vague in my mind at best, and I'm guessing it's the same in yours. That vagueness is what this is all about.

I noticed that I've been accused of ignoring people's questions. I'm not sure what I've missed. Someone post something that they think I've ignored if they want me to respond to it, and I'll do as asap. Gonna be working from 10-5 and I won't be able to check the thread during that time, but I'll get back to it when I can.

Votecount 8 - [8/15] - Deadline 11th October

Raziek [0]
T-Block [0]
Overswarm [0]
Xastrn [6] - J, dabuz, Nabe, Circus, Xastrn, Raziek
Solid [2] - OS, Kantrip
Panta [1] - T-Block
Red Ryu [0]
dabuz [1] - MOD
Nabe [1] - Werekill
Circus [2] - Frio, John2k4
Werekill [1] - RR
John2k4 [0]
Kantrip [2] - Panta, Solid
J [0]
Frio [1] - MOD

Not Voting [0]

Your vote count is wrong.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

I WANT him dead a lot more than we NEED him dead. His playstyle is irritating as all hell, and is anti-town. there are several other good lynches toDay, particularly Werekill, and I'm not suggesting that Red Ryu is the only good choice.

So YOU want him dead, but your reasoning so far has been "he's irritating". Cool. That's fine for not calling someone town, but your TOP scum pick? You've got to be kidding me.

I'm well aware that my reasonings for him needing to die are not bulletproof. As I've been saying all Day, day 1 lynches are NEVER bulletproof. They are always sketchy at best. that's why I tend to not go all in and get gung-ho about day 1 lynches. I'll be happy to see a werekill lynch toDay, and I can tolerate a few other possibilities. But I'll cheer when Red Ryu is dead because he is deliberately being anti-town AND being deliberately obnoxious about it.

Yeah, D1 lynches are sketchy, but you're choosing the sketchiest lynch possible, except maybe Frio, in terms of content posted and how much we know about people. Honestly you actually have some (pretty bad) evidence vs. Werekill that's better than this flimsy case against RR. I'm perfectly fine with Xastrn lynch after reading his posts and cases on him. Don't think I'm going to put him at L-1 right now.

 

[Overswarm]

Less arbitrator from solid, more pointing where he wants to go from solid.

 

[Xastrn]

solid, you are deliberately cherry picking from my post and ignoring things I'm saying. I said his playstyle is irritating as hell, and is anti-town. you skipped the "is anti town" part and pretended that all I said was that it was irritating.
I said werekill was probably the most scummy player, and that RR is simply anti-town + annoying. You're saying I'm calling RR my TOP scum pick. I'm not. I've said he's scummy as hell. I've not said "he's my TOP scum pick."

I've explained explicitly that I don't just vote for whoever is scummiest. If you don't understand that, then you are deliberately being dense.

I think you're scum, btw. late joining a wagon just because you think you can get away with it, and making a super weak, easily-shredded post as justification is bad. Also, you're trying to appear cautious by not voting yet, so it isn't so obvious.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Soild, what do you personally think of Werekill?

 

[#HBC | J]

Why is Xastrn ignoring me but answering others? I don't get this cycle at all.

Nabe, I'm wary of you but I like you loads this game at the same time. It's weird to explain but I really wanna see your mind a bit more open since I don't recall you putting words to your suspicion on Xastrn besides liking where this has gone since you joined. I mean, you didn't even say why you were voting Xastrn, but you ask Circus to go onto Xastrn and he does (which is weird for Circus cuz he just dropped John and went for Xastrn but his points are pretty solid against him yet the point he is attacking is probably one of the weaker points against Xastrn. *weeeeird wording so forgive me for that*). However, why did you go to Xastrn? I have an inkling as to why yet again however I need to ask you for confirmation because I don't wanna assume things.

@Solid: The more you post, the less I am starting to like you. ">>

 

[#HBC | J]

Let me try and explain a bit why I dislike you while using your most recent post.

I'm perfectly fine with Xastrn lynch after reading his posts and cases on him. Don't think I'm going to put him at L-1 right now.

This is the first time you mention Xastrn if I recall correctly as being a scum-pick. Earlier in the game when the cases were beginning to rise against Xastrn, you said you didn't think they were that good of cases. Now you say that you have re-read his posts and cases and have come to enlightment that he is scum in your eyes, correct?

Why don't you feel like putting him at L-1 either? It's a bit cautious for my tastes because where is the harm in L-1? Tell me why and explain what is the benefit of not having him there.

 

[#HBC | J]

@Everyone:

Raise your hand if you think Red Ryu is most likely town.

Xastrn, isn't this statement contradictory to what you have been doing as of late because at the time of this post, RR had been doing exactly the same as he has now.

Don't ignore me again Xastrn, I'm getting impatient as the days progress.

 

[Raziek]

Xastrn, tell me, you actually believe you have no clue as to why people don't like you this game?

Xastrn, who are the "weak middle wagon-hoppers" on your wagon?

Xastrn, isn't this statement contradictory to what you have been doing as of late because at the time of this post, RR had been doing exactly the same as he has now.

Don't ignore me again Xastrn, I'm getting impatient as the days progress.

Quoted for J.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

What you're ignoring is that you are posting gifs to communicate a feeling you are having, or a reaction to what someone else is saying. And you're not using words, which we can hold you to. you are posting gifs that you can pretend later meant ANYTHING.

As a person who almost when into an art major, this is false. Pictures, even derp 4chan ones, can express the emotions and feelings someone is having based on the context of how they are used.

Not like it matters in those cases in outside of 2 of them, there were questions not well thought out essays on my feelings.

Adding 1 sentence or 2 sentences tops after your gif doesn't mean you made a well-thought out post. I'm posting 200-400 word posts to make my cases and defenses. So is circus. so is J. Werekill and Raz and Nabe are all doing more. OS's posts have rare in the last 36 hours but when he posts they are long. same with t-blocks.

So did I when I asked Werekill about his vote on me.

Just because I don't do it all the time even more so when I'm just asking questions, with a .gif, doesn't make it scummy.

You stand out, IMO, because you are posting 1 sentence posts with a gif. Notice how my words and circus' words have brought us under scrutiny? that's how this is SUPPOSED to work. it' a good thing. We have to defend ourselves, and we are saying things we're going to be held to all game.

So do I for the posts I make, even my one liners can be called out when I post something stupid or scummy. I again ask, where does my intent to be a lurker come off who wants to avoid attention?

@everyone: other than general reads on people, what can you tell me about Red Ryu's opinion on certain play styles, his stance on what types of players are best lynches on day 1, what his plan is going into day 2, or ANYTHING else other than general scum/town stances on people? It's vague in my mind at best, and I'm guessing it's the same in yours. That vagueness is what this is all about.

Can I answer this?

I noticed that I've been accused of ignoring people's questions. I'm not sure what I've missed. Someone post something that they think I've ignored if they want me to respond to it, and I'll do as asap. Gonna be working from 10-5 and I won't be able to check the thread during that time, but I'll get back to it when I can.

I aksed you multiple times before my U Mad? pokemon pic where I was deflecting and hiding. You never answered this, ever.

 

[Xastrn]

Thanks raz.

I don't think I've said I have no clue why. Link me saying it if I'm remembering incorrectly. I know I've said there's no good case on me, despite several votes. But that's different.

The idea is that people are perceiving my case on RR as weak, and they haven't seen my push hard on anyone all game and then I suddenly got all over RR for a relatively small issue. They are likely perceiving a disparity in my playstyle.

I feel that I've explained the roots of my issue with RR. I also feel that I've been consistent in my explanation of how I view the usefulness of votes on day1 in particular.

I'm interested to hear how other players who aren't on my wagon think about all this stuff. It looks like I'm at L-2 or L-3, depending on if X1 has corrected his votecount (you had me voting for myself instead of for RR). Whoever's not on my wagon, can you chime in on this stuff? I've asked a lot of @everyone questions that have been largely ignored. I don't get as irritated as some people do when my questions get missed, but it'd be a shame to let a lynch go through without half the game's participation. My flip, should this lynch go through, needs to be useful and give you all lots to work with. You've seen a lot of interaction between me and circus, J, raz, and to a lesser extent OS and werekill and RR. But hat leaves John, Nabe, Kantrip, dabuz, and a few others that haven't been quite as active in this case (not to the same extent as the others, anyways).

dabuz, nabe and circus are the weak middle-wagon hoppers. raz to a lesser extent, because he joined mostly because you two are buddying. (side note: I've rubbed OS' shoulders a bit this game. raz, J, and t-blocks have much more actively buddied. I got called out for mine. they didn't. anyone want to offer an explanation?)

j, i don't understand your last question with the hand slam gif. can you rephrase it for me?

I'm logging off for the next 8 hours or so. off to work. i might hop in to read from time to time but I can't do much besides that, and probably won't post again until about 7pm eastern.

 

[Xastrn]

As a person who almost when into an art major, this is false. Pictures, even derp 4chan ones, can express the emotions and feelings someone is having based on the context of how they are used.

words are specific and specifically yours. gifs are generic and can be explained off in 100 ways. don't pretend they are equal in this game.

Not like it matters in those cases in outside of 2 of them, there were questions not well thought out essays on my feelings.



So did I when I asked Werekill about his vote on me.

Just because I don't do it all the time even more so when I'm just asking questions, with a .gif, doesn't make it scummy.



So do I for the posts I make, even my one liners can be called out when I post something stupid or scummy. I again ask, where does my intent to be a lurker come off who wants to avoid attention?



Can I answer this?

no, i want your current amount of posting to speak for you for a minute, and i'd like people to answer this question. you posting more now will muddy the whole conversation up. I want people to consider that they can't really read ANYTHING from your posts to this point.

@EVERYONE: Please answer this question.

I aksed you multiple times before my U Mad? pokemon pic where I was deflecting and hiding. You never answered this, ever.

yes i did. i linked all of them in one post.

 

[Xastrn]

the orange inside the quote is mine. gotta go so i can't break it all up.

 

[X1-12]

Votecount in post #937 has been amended

 

[Overswarm]

I'm not going to lie, I'm appalled at how town is handling themselves this game and am pretty sure mafia has won. I'll put more effort in on D2 after some investigations are through. No one here has anything ready for a flip, nor are they attempting to do so.

 

[Raziek]

Alright armchair critic.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

OS if you have a problem about this there are still a few days til the deadline, so do something about it.

@Red Ryu: What are you thinking at the moment, post-OS-callout?

Rethinking my scumpicks, Still think Werekill is scum, Frio isn't doing enough for me to draw a connection, same with OS atm.

I'm paying attention to the Xatres wagon right now. I'll get back to you on this.

~

@Xatres: I'm aware that you can interpret pics and that one vid in a lot of ways, though that vid couldn't be any more straight forward with the text underneath it. I get that .gifs aren't equal, that isn't my concern, my concern is your placing me as scum because of it solely alone and ignoring what else is put into those posts.

 

[Overswarm]

Alright armchair critic.

I've pulled my weight in more than enough games to where I don't feel the need to prove myself to anyone. I'll get to this game when I have more time and more to go off of, because I don't feel like fighting the tide of short sighted posts.

 

[T-block]

My god you guys post a lot. Was SWF down an hour ago? o.o

OS, where do you stand on Xastrn then? I haven't heard your thoughts on him at all.

I know I haven't given anything either yet. I write my midterm today, so I'll be able to do stuff tonight. I will say from skimming the past few pages that I think he's been defending himself pretty well.

 

[Xastrn]

OS if you have a problem about this there are still a few days til the deadline, so do something about it.



Rethinking my scumpicks, Still think Werekill is scum, Frio isn't doing enough for me to draw a connection, same with OS atm.

I'm paying attention to the Xatres wagon right now. I'll get back to you on this.

~

@Xatres: I'm aware that you can interpret pics and that one vid in a lot of ways, though that vid couldn't be any more straight forward with the text underneath it. I get that .gifs aren't equal, that isn't my concern, my concern is your placing me as scum because of it solely alone and ignoring what else is put into those posts.

This is probably the best post you've made all game. I wish I didn't have to pressure you so hard to agree that gifs aren't communicating as well as your words will.

The biggest reason I've had a scum read on you this whole time is because when the rest of us were putting our thoughts out there, you seemed content trying to look clever without giving us as much to work with that we could pin you to later.

If you can keep posting like this one, then I'll be a lot happier with keeping you around, and we'll actually be able to read you based on what you say. Then I'll be able to have a more accurate read on you, scum or town.

I'll be looking for a better target for my vote soon. (still at work, just had a break to catch up. Soon in this case might mean 5 hours from now.)

 

[Xastrn]

I had a random thought. Imagine a game where you were only allowed to post pictures, and you weren't allowed to just create something new for your thoughts, but had to find it already out there online.

It'd be damn near impossible to catch scum.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I had that in Super Hero Mafia, though I was allowed one text post per day.