Majoras Mask Mafia! DGames' Longest Game Ends - Who Won?!?!?!?

[#HBC | J]

Actually, I take that back.

Kantrip, what ever happened to that promise you made me and Raz about explaining some of those reads? I think you said somewhere that you couldn't post full responses but could you at least give us a skeleton on the people we asked since you are here?

 

[#HBC | J]

Xastrn, who are the "weak middle wagon-hoppers" on your wagon?

 

[Kantrip]

I said my big post is half-done on my laptop, which I don't have access to until this weekend.

I also asked "if you could only get 3 reads from me, which would you want?"

I didn't mean to imply that I would then give you the reads you chose.

 

[#HBC | J]

Then what was the point of that question then? Haha I'm so lost with you this game Kantrip and it's so very odd.

 

[Kantrip]

The point of the question was to find out from you two which reads you wanted to see from me. This, consequentially, would give me reads.

I'm lost with this game, too, so I'm trying something.

 

[#HBC | J]

Raz, would you mind if I held off till I got some answers from Xastrn because these are just incredibly odd responses to what is being thrown at him.

Kantrip, I hate to say it but it doesn't seem to be working. =P I don't really care for your slot this game.

 

[Kantrip]

May I ask what about my slot is unsatisfactory?

 

[#HBC | J]

Kantrip, I think I formulated a question for you now. You said you were beginning to understand the Xastrn wagon, what are you beginning to understand about it? As in, what do you find scummy about Xastrn that made you change your mind?

 

[Raziek]

Certainly, J.

 

[Kantrip]

I don't like his case on RR, and how he posted that and fluff for a while, and nothing else. He specifically took the time to go and multiquote all of RR's gif posts, in order to say that he's scum.

For not contributing.

Basically I'm thinking of joining the wagon too, but I want to see the votecount first.

 

[#HBC | J]

May I ask what about my slot is unsatisfactory?

Hmm, lemme try and sort out my mind a bit.

First thing, to put it simply, I like other slots a lot more than yours and what you are bringing so far. The fact is, I feel I am getting more out of them and content that is solid if that makes any thing. I don't have much of anything rememorable from you besides your intro post which I did not care for. (it also made me do a double-take on Solid's slot so thanks for that I guess hahaha) Like, I see you posting active but the questions you are asking don't seem to be going anywhere and I have yet to see you push your scum-suspect (being Solid) and instead take a back-seat more or less yet you are still here. I'd like to see you do more in terms of scum-hunting, tonight specifically I have seen you do better than other days but it's still not enough yet for me.

So I guess that's why my gut seems to be looking at you more and more because you are peculiar. I want more out of you because of what I have seen, I dislike so far if that makes sense to you.

 

[Circus]

Correction: there are VOTES on me. There has been no case made against me. that's why I'm not bothered by this. Someone would have to work hard to make a case against me. Their best case will be "you don't like ace attorney gifs. WHO DOESN'T LIKE ACE ATTORNEY GIFS?!?"

No way are you getting away with saying that. Your reasoning for voting Ryu is bull****. You're not hunting scum. You even changed your mind and said you think Werekill would actually be a better D1 lynch, but you didn't move your vote because "Red Ryu is scum through and through." Which still doesn't even have mediocre justification. It doesn't make any sense at all. You can't give a good reason for your reads because you have no real reasons for them.

You cite an incredibly small number of examples of Ryu "hiding" behind gifs, and half the ones you quoted are real stretches. Frankly, I wouldn't actually count any of them. Considering this is pretty much the only thing you've brought against Ryu, I consider that totally unconvincing. And I can't imagine you would either, if you were really town.

Lay out why we should be lynching Red Ryu. "He's hiding behind gifs" is not a point I will accept, nor should anyone else. It never looked sincere to begin with, and you've officially exhausted your chance to make it stick.

 

[#HBC | J]

I don't like his case on RR, and how he posted that and fluff for a while, and nothing else. He specifically took the time to go and multiquote all of RR's gif posts, in order to say that he's scum.

For not contributing.

Basically I'm thinking of joining the wagon too, but I want to see the votecount first.

He's at L-4.

Xastrn (4) - J, dabuz, Nabe, Circus

IIRC.

However, is that the only reason you think he is scum? I mean that seems like one of the weaker reasons for why people seem to dislike him.

 

[Xastrn]

I don't like his case on RR, and how he posted that and fluff for a while, and nothing else. He specifically took the time to go and multiquote all of RR's gif posts, in order to say that he's scum.

For not contributing.

Basically I'm thinking of joining the wagon too, but I want to see the votecount first.

kantrip, i was specifically ASKED by red ryu to give those examples.

You should pay better attention to this game. Honestly, you're missing the point of EVERYTHING.

coming in late is no excuse.

You're either noob-scum grasping at whatever weak case you can think of or noob-town. either way, you're not helping at all.

 

[#HBC | J]

Circus likes to make me look like I'm caught with my foot in my mouth a lot of the times...so mean.

So that is your primary reason Circus?

 

[Kantrip]

Alright, thanks J.

The RR case and stuff is just what put me past the line of disliking Xastrn. I took other points that have been brought up into consideration and stuff too.

Xastrn, I'm not making excuses. I don't think I'm grasping at weak cases, but whatever.

 

[Xastrn]

No way are you getting away with saying that. Your reasoning for voting Ryu is bull****. You're not hunting scum. You even changed your mind and said you think Werekill would actually be a better D1 lynch, but you didn't move your vote because "Red Ryu is scum through and through." Which still doesn't even have mediocre justification. It doesn't make any sense at all. You can't give a good reason for your reads because you have no real reasons for them.

You cite an incredibly small number of examples of Ryu "hiding" behind gifs, and half the ones you quoted are real stretches. Frankly, I wouldn't actually count any of them. Considering this is pretty much the only thing you've brought against Ryu, I consider that totally unconvincing. And I can't imagine you would either, if you were really town.

Lay out why we should be lynching Red Ryu. "He's hiding behind gifs" is not a point I will accept, nor should anyone else. It never looked sincere to begin with, and you've officially exhausted your chance to make it stick.

I'm ok with RR not being the lynch toDay. I just think he's scum, is all, and I've explained why several times. Do your own homework and look up my posts regarding him.

Why are you defending him so hard? He's not even defending himself. Let him speak for himself. I can't think of a pro-town reason for you to be trying to rip that case up when he hasn't even bothered addressing it, and HE ASKED FOR IT himself.

I shouldn't move my vote to werekill yet. RR should answer my case against him. Werekill will get lynched soon enough, whether I make the case now or later or someone else does. I think werekill is probably the best lynch for toDay, but that doesn't mean my vote will be with him yet. votes have a lot more purpose than just contributing to a lynch, right?

how many votes would you estimate have been made toDay? How many of them will be on our final lynch candidate? Only a small % of votes accomplish a lynch. the rest are used to apply pressure in various directions to see how people react under pressure.

I've made my case against RR. I've stated explicitly that I'm very aware that it's not a terribly deep case. I've also stated explicitly that I don't believe Day1 cases are required to be deep.

circus, you've paid attention well. What have I always said day 1 cases are about?

 

[#HBC | J]

Uhm, Kantrip, you do realize that I have called you scummy at this point and stated reasons like you asked and all you do is say, "Well alright then." I mean I am kind of chuckling at this point because I think that's the simplest response I've ever seen to me calling someone scum that's not an IRL game.

"Here is why I think you are scum for X, Y, and Z."

"Alright thanks."

".....you're welcome? *insert vote here*"

XD

 

[Kantrip]

Werekill, I think you are scum. If I didn't want Red Ryu dead so badly, I'd flip to you in a heartbeat.

He wants Red Ryu dead really badly. Badly enough that he doesn't care about another scum read. Wow, his read on RR must be really strong!

 

[Kantrip]

Oh J I actually didn't see your post directed at my slot. I was saying thanks for you tallying the votes.

Hmm, lemme try and sort out my mind a bit.

First thing, to put it simply, I like other slots a lot more than yours and what you are bringing so far.

You can like other slots more, that's fine. It's when you dislike a slot that matters.

The fact is, I feel I am getting more out of them and content that is solid if that makes any thing.

There are about 5 or 6 players giving more content than me from what I can tell. It's not that I'm not giving very much content, it's that I'm giving crappy content.

I don't have much of anything rememorable from you besides your intro post which I did not care for.

(it also made me do a double-take on Solid's slot so thanks for that I guess hahaha)

You're... welcome I guess? There's many players with nothing memorable.

Like, I see you posting active but the questions you are asking don't seem to be going anywhere and I have yet to see you push your scum-suspect (being Solid) and instead take a back-seat more or less yet you are still here. I'd like to see you do more in terms of scum-hunting, tonight specifically I have seen you do better than other days but it's still not enough yet for me.

I'll work on that. I haven't been pushing solid because I honestly forget where my read came from. Perhaps Overswarm could clear it up, considering he wanted a solid lynch earlier.

So I guess that's why my gut seems to be looking at you more and more because you are peculiar. I want more out of you because of what I have seen, I dislike so far if that makes sense to you.

I think being "peculiar" is weak reasoning.

Here also makes no sense. You say you don't like what you've seen, yet you also say earlier in this post that I've been doing more scumhunting. The only thing you didn't like was my catch-up post, so you said before. So are you trying to say you dislike what I've done so far, meaning "not much"?

 

[#HBC | J]

Kantrip, as I've done, I've placed an FoS on you which means I am not confident enough to vote you at the current time and am more focused on Xastrn. Even with the scum-hunting you have done (which isn't much today but it is an improvement) I still don't like what I've seen. I guess yes that is what I am saying, I do dislike what you have done so far which isn't much.

It's not that I'm not giving very much content, it's that I'm giving crappy content.

It's weird that you are saying this because actually this is exactly what I mean. Weird it's coming from you but yes, that's it.

There's many players with nothing memorable.

Don't deflect duder. (alliteration ftw) But yeah, if you want to say this, back it up because yes it is true not that many people have done that much but it's still true for you regardless if other players are the same.

I'll work on that. I haven't been pushing solid because I honestly forget where my read came from. Perhaps Overswarm could clear it up, considering he wanted a solid lynch earlier.

Why should OS have to explain your read on Solid? o_O" I mean it seems like you are trying to push the responsibility of what I asked you onto OS. How could you forget where your strongest scum-pick read came from?

This is what I mean by peculiar Kantrip, it's really weird stuff that I've scratching my head at getting confused with what you are saying/doing.

 

[Circus]

Circus likes to make me look like I'm caught with my foot in my mouth a lot of the times...so mean.

So that is your primary reason Circus?

On it's own, the Ryu suspicion probably wouldn't be such a big thing. I would have a problem with it, but it's compounded with everything else that seems to stem from it. His reasoning for Ryu is poor, but then on top of that, he has also avoided responding to a couple of my more well argued points against his "case," and whenever he does respond, he seems to just say "I said it before; look at it yourself." I've asked him several questions that he has completely ignored: Why is Ryu the BEST lynch toDay? Why does he want me to be the fallback lynch instead of Panta? Or anyone else? He thinks there was scum on my wagon—who, specifically? He has a scum read on John, as I understand it, but who else, if anyone? And why doesn't he pursue him/them? What, in the clearest terms possible, makes him dislike Werekill so much?

He's been caught faking content himself and he doesn't know what to do about it. He has speculated about players roles (not beneficial), while calling out another player for allegedly rolefishing (somewhat hypocritical). He's

And on it's own, I mean, come on. This Ryu suspicion? It is just awful by itself.

X: I want Ryu dead so badly. He's scum through and through. Even though Werekill would make a better lynch for toDay, I still want to lynch Ryu anyway.

Everyone: Why?

X: BECAUSE. GIFS AND STUFF.

We pinned scum here. I'm super confident about it.

 

[Raziek]

J, stop wasting time on Kantrip please. He's not important right now.

 

[#HBC | J]

J, stop wasting time on Kantrip please. He's not important right now.

Well we have time and plenty of it so I want to get more info out in the open while the day's still going.

I can see how he's not important this very second but I truly don't see a reason to stop completely because I do want some answers first.

Plus I can't do anything with Xastrn if he is going to continue to ignore me. *siiiiigh* (<-Hint hint)

 

[Kantrip]

Raziek, what's better to address right now? I'd rather J satisfy what he needs to wrt me so he can move on, rather than you changing the subject like that.

I'd ask OS to clarify his own SOLID read because he wants to lynch SOLID toDay.

I no longer do. My catch-up post was a heaping pile of crap. If I happen to find what I was thinking when I wrote that post, maybe it will come back to me.

Unvote

Vote: Xastrn.

 

[#HBC | J]

Raz, why did you say that?

 

[Raziek]

My catch-up post was a heaping pile of crap. If I happen to find what I was thinking when I wrote that post, maybe it will come back to me.

Request rescinded, J. This post is groooooooss.

Rather than defend your old reads, you backpedal by saying it was crap? That officially creates a backdoor for anyone who questions any contrast between your initial reads, and reads at a later time.

FoS: Kantrip

 

[Raziek]

Raz, why did you say that?

I forgot you were waiting on a response from Xastrn. I thought you were just getting distracted by Kantrip instead of writing your case.

Error on my part.

 

[#HBC | J]

Well alright then I guess haha, tonight's a night of mistakes it seems.

Double-FoS Raz eh? xP

 

[Raziek]

Double FoS, yes. He's playing so gross but he's not scum. Even if he is, there are bigger fish to fry, and I'm not about to string him up just because he's playing dumb.

I just want my distaste with his play to be clear.

 

[#HBC | J]

That's odd, because as my reads stand, he's my second scum-pick. Though there is bigger fish (Xastrn) to fry, I don't get the feeling it's just dumbness about Kantrip that's making me think this way.

Why do you say that he isn't scum with such gusto?

 

[Kantrip]

Was it not crap, though?

If I'm not scum, how am I creating back-doors? From my experience, that is something scum are more likely to do, as town doesn't need back doors.

So why are you setting one up for yourself? If I'm not scum, why am I creating back-doors?

 

[Raziek]

Was it not crap, though?

If I'm not scum, how am I creating back-doors? From my experience, that is something scum are more likely to do, as town doesn't need back doors.

So why are you setting one up for yourself? If I'm not scum, why am I creating back-doors?

Does Town not also wish to escape responsibility for mistakes they made? Backdoors are not faction-exclusive, or that'd be one hell of a scumtell.

Creating a backdoor is a null tell in the sense that it doesn't necessarily indicate alignment, but if someone playing scummy in OTHER ways is creating backdoors and using them, then that is in fact scummy.

I personally am leaning towards inexperienced Town on you.

@J: Let's play Overswarm here. Is it possible that Kantrip and Xastrn are on the same scumteam, given recent events? Does it make sense for BOTH of them to be scum?

 

[Xastrn]

Why is Ryu the BEST lynch toDay?

I'm not sure he is. Werekill or kantrip might be better. doesn't mean I can't make a case. For a while, i thought YOU were the best lynch toDay. changed my mind the more I saw from you. I might do the same with RR , if he will ever give us something to read. Everyone is letting him get away with it, but I won't. If I get lynched, I'll go down saying "look at RR coasting" all the way to the end.

Why does he want me to be the fallback lynch instead of Panta?

I suggested that at the time because YOU were the current wagon, and I was hoping to swing it away from you. You had heat on you from many players, so I suggested to them that if they still felt that way about you, but were willing to flip to RR, then we could still keep you as the backup. Notice, of course, that I was moving you from "current target" to "potential backup target". i wasn't moving you from "some guy in this game" to "likely lynch candidate."

He thinks there was scum on my wagon—who, specifically?

no one in particular. Especially on day 1, voting patterns are of particular interest for me, since we have very little else to study. when do scum join wagons? do they start them, hammer, or join in the middle? you tell me.

[qupte]
He's been caught faking content himself and he doesn't know what to do about it. [/QUOTE]
What do you mean "faking content"? Like, posting fluff?

 

[#HBC | J]

It is possibly considering they are both scummy to me. I don't rely heavily on connection cases for scum-reads and I really don't see why they can't be scum-mates. Do you have something to suggest that they can't be?

It's funny that you say "Let's play OS." because he certainly isn't. =3c

 

[Kantrip]

Sure, town could make a back-door for mistakes they made, but it's better just to admit you made a mistake. Why would it be in town's interest to try and hide that you made an error?

 

[#HBC | J]

I personally am leaning towards inexperienced Town on you.

What's the point of FoS'ing him (twice but I digress) if you are leaning towards him being town? FoS's are usually as I've learned to be used to express suspicion on people you find are scummy but not for people that are leaning more dumb town. It just seems backwards.

 

[Kantrip]

So, Raz, you think my back-door was dumb townie backpedaling on mistakes?

 

[Raziek]

@Kantrip: Again, because it's not faction exclusive, and both courses of action have their pros and cons.

In response to your most recent question: yes.

@J: I don't think they're both scum based primarily on their interactions with each other, and Kantrip's timing in jumping on this wagon. I'm more certain on Xastrn than Kantrip for now, so I'm choosing to take him out of my lynch pool as result.

To re-iterate: He could be scum if Xastrn isn't (maybe even if he is), but right now I can't sell it to myself.

vote: Xastrn

Answer J. Now.

 

[Circus]

I'm ok with RR not being the lynch toDay. I just think he's scum, is all, and I've explained why several times. Do your own homework and look up my posts regarding him.

Stop telling me to do extra work. Repeat yourself if you must. Telling me to find good reasons to think Ryu is scum for you isn't going to make me think you're town. I've seen the reasons you've given for suspecting Ryu, and they are not good. I'm asking you for better ones.

Why are you defending him so hard? He's not even defending himself. Let him speak for himself. I can't think of a pro-town reason for you to be trying to rip that case up when he hasn't even bothered addressing it, and HE ASKED FOR IT himself.

He can defend himself if he wants to. I'm not defending him. I'm using your attack on him to attack you—there's a difference.

Just want to point out now that the language you're using is grimey as hell. "I've explained myself several times; do you're own homework." "I can't think of a pro-town reason for you to do X." Awful. My questions are simple—you could answer them simply but instead you choose to brush me off. This suggests that you just don't know how to respond to me, not that you're just too lazy or apathetic to. You indirectly accuse me of doing something that can't be pro-town, opening a door to try to judo back onto me through this conversation.

I shouldn't move my vote to werekill yet. RR should answer my case against him. Werekill will get lynched soon enough, whether I make the case now or later or someone else does. I think werekill is probably the best lynch for toDay, but that doesn't mean my vote will be with him yet. votes have a lot more purpose than just contributing to a lynch, right?

Okay. So can I at least know what it is that we might be lynching Werekill for later? I still don't know what your big beef with him is.

how many votes would you estimate have been made toDay? How many of them will be on our final lynch candidate? Only a small % of votes accomplish a lynch. the rest are used to apply pressure in various directions to see how people react under pressure.

I've made my case against RR. I've stated explicitly that I'm very aware that it's not a terribly deep case. I've also stated explicitly that I don't believe Day1 cases are required to be deep.

They don't have to be deep, but you seem to be making a point of attacking someone whom you can only make a shallow case on. I don't care if it's D1—there's no excuse not to actually pick the scummiest person you see and pushing them. Or at least branching out and pressuring multiple people, if that's all you're interested in. If you don't like Werekill, then why aren't you still pressuring him while your vote stays on Ryu? Why don't I ever see you trying to get discussion out of John? Why do you want Ryu dead so badly if you admit that your case on him is weak?

circus, you've paid attention well. What have I always said day 1 cases are about?

I'd be lying if I said I knew for sure. You seem to think it's just about trimming the fat and generating discussion that will be revealing once we see flips, and you're probably not actually too fussed about hitting scum D1. I'm not either, though it's always better when you can make that happen. That doesn't excuse this play. If you're gonna try to wave a magic wand and say that all of this was to get reads and you didn't actually mean of it, I'm going to warn you right now, I won't believe that.