Just making a note here, this is a really funny quote because it's really true once you look at Circus' posts.
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Majoras Mask Mafia! DGames' Longest Game Ends - Who Won?!?!?!?
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Actually, I think that Xastrn will give the most connections, and he's, imo, scummier than Circus.That's why I would rather lynch Circus toDay, but I would vote x to prevent a nl
He's at L-1, though, so I say that we let him claim before 'da hammah.
I actually haven't really seen why from you as to why this is the case besides being on Circus' side of this argument. Tell me how Xasty gives more connections then Circus as in who.
Claim-fishing? Nooooo way jose. He has no reason to claim just yet especially since the votes just cascaded within the last 12 hours to put him there.WK said:
I just don't see him offering a believable claim, but he should still get his fair chance.
But what in the world even suggests this?
Kantrip
Kantplay
Are you seeing what I'm seeing now, J?
Chainsawception.
Chainsawception.
Prior scummy behavior. I mean, if some guy acted like a jester the whole game then claimed town doc, would you believe him?
Not that I'm saying that he's jester-like, of course.
@Kantrip: I have no clue anymore what the **** you're even talking about. How is anything anywhere here a chainsaw defence? Did you just find a new favorite term this game, or are you faking being this slow? >_>
You're good vigbait if we have a vig, though, so I don't suppose that I mind too much.
Kantrip
Kantplay
I'm talking about eariler, when you clearly did chainsaw.
To answer your question though: yes I have taken a liking to the term. You can blame the mod, he taught me the term in newbie 13.
I'm going to get a connection case up in a bit.
To answer your question though: yes I have taken a liking to the term. You can blame the mod, he taught me the term in newbie 13.
I'm going to get a connection case up in a bit.
Kantrip
Kantplay
LOL are you trying to tell the vig to kill someone who has been actively posting and scumhunting? Even if I'm playing badly, I'd rather have me in MyLo than John, Frio, Panta, OS.
When? And which of your varied definitions are you going by? The one that fits my posts the best?
And no, I'm not telling the vig anuthing. I'm saying to YOU that you're the scummiest guy who doesn't have a wagon on him, and you should clean up your act before you die.
*anything
And also, I am sincerely hoping that we have a vig in this game. I've only played a game with one extra-night-killer so far, so it would be interesting to see.
And also, I am sincerely hoping that we have a vig in this game. I've only played a game with one extra-night-killer so far, so it would be interesting to see.
Kantrip
Kantplay
I'm not going to taint your reading, OS.
But Xastrn and Circus are the current focuses.
Werekill, why don't you look up the definition yourself so you can stop complaining that mine are wrong?
If I haven't said it already: FoS: Werekill
But Xastrn and Circus are the current focuses.
Werekill, why don't you look up the definition yourself so you can stop complaining that mine are wrong?
If I haven't said it already: FoS: Werekill
Xastrn's and Kantrip's cases against Circus have been picked apart, for the most part, Xastrn is the main focus and is likely scum, and Kantrip is either faking being stupid or is just playing very, VERY badly.
The problem isn't a matter of being right or wrong; you've flat out contradicted yourself on your definition of the term, and you seem to just be using it to fit whatever situation you want. That's scummy, mate.
Serious question: how many games have you been in?
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
Oh lawdy.
OS, vote for Xastrn or Circus so the day ends with a lynch please.
OS, vote for Xastrn or Circus so the day ends with a lynch please.
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
This is not an answer to my question.Why OS? What brought that about?
Kantrip
Kantplay
@Overswarm: Do you think you could update your chart? It appears as though it may hold some useful information, after all. Namely, how little Circus and Werekill have addressed each other.
@Werekill: My definition has not contradicted itself at all. Show me where it has. A chainsaw defense is when one player attacks someone who makes a case on someone else, to take the heat off of said person. (Usually what happens is a town player makes a good case on a scum player. The scummate attacks the town player to take away the focus from their case).
I've finished 2 games, and am in 2 currently (including this one).
@Werekill: My definition has not contradicted itself at all. Show me where it has. A chainsaw defense is when one player attacks someone who makes a case on someone else, to take the heat off of said person. (Usually what happens is a town player makes a good case on a scum player. The scummate attacks the town player to take away the focus from their case).
I've finished 2 games, and am in 2 currently (including this one).
Kan, I've addressed Circus plenty of times for both talking about my reads on him and direct conversations with him. I don't know how you missed that.
And what the ****? Did you even READ the post where I picked apart your Circus "case?" I quoted you directly and showed that you contradicted yourself by saying that a chainsaw is an attack with no real reasoning.
I'm not even going to bother ****ing finding it since you'll probably just ignore it again.
And what the ****? Did you even READ the post where I picked apart your Circus "case?" I quoted you directly and showed that you contradicted yourself by saying that a chainsaw is an attack with no real reasoning.
I'm not even going to bother ****ing finding it since you'll probably just ignore it again.
Oh **** it, it's my 1060. I would quote, but I'm on my ipod.
Kantrip
Kantplay
I don't have time to make a full case at the moment, but I'll just list a few things here.
If you look back at the beginning when Red Ryu claimed a guilty on Werekill, Circus completely ignored the wagon and kept his vote on John (his RvS vote). When Red Ryu posted the embedded video, Circus misinterpreted it and thought it was Red Ryu confirming that his claim was legit. Rather than joining the wagon or displaying interest in such, Circus asked RR for a full-claim in order to "see the chances of being sane/insane". As scummates, Circus would have suggested Red Ryu's role seemed insane due to the flavour in order to try and save his scummate.
When Werekill comes into the game, he gets upset about the wagon on him and votes Red Ryu. Shortly after, he explains it saying that "scummy play is scummy play". This implies that Werekill thinks RR's cop gambit was scummy. He never provided reasoning for this. Being upset about getting to L-1 was warranted. Thinking RR is scummy for it was not.
Circus tells Werekill to stop being dumb. Note how he doesn't consider that Werekill is being scummy, but thinks he should just stop talking. This happens when Nabe is claiming an investigative role, and Werekill is trying to get a full-claim including race and name out of him.
Recently, Werekill has been attempting to refute the cases against Circus, rather than Circus doing it, and has been attacking everyone who makes this cases (chainsaw defense).
If you look back at the beginning when Red Ryu claimed a guilty on Werekill, Circus completely ignored the wagon and kept his vote on John (his RvS vote). When Red Ryu posted the embedded video, Circus misinterpreted it and thought it was Red Ryu confirming that his claim was legit. Rather than joining the wagon or displaying interest in such, Circus asked RR for a full-claim in order to "see the chances of being sane/insane". As scummates, Circus would have suggested Red Ryu's role seemed insane due to the flavour in order to try and save his scummate.
When Werekill comes into the game, he gets upset about the wagon on him and votes Red Ryu. Shortly after, he explains it saying that "scummy play is scummy play". This implies that Werekill thinks RR's cop gambit was scummy. He never provided reasoning for this. Being upset about getting to L-1 was warranted. Thinking RR is scummy for it was not.
Circus tells Werekill to stop being dumb. Note how he doesn't consider that Werekill is being scummy, but thinks he should just stop talking. This happens when Nabe is claiming an investigative role, and Werekill is trying to get a full-claim including race and name out of him.
Recently, Werekill has been attempting to refute the cases against Circus, rather than Circus doing it, and has been attacking everyone who makes this cases (chainsaw defense).
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
When did you first encounter the definition of chainsaw defense, Kan?
Kantrip
Kantplay
Also I don't think Raziek's case against Circus was touched.
Thank you J for getting Raz to provide that, by the way. I feel better about him now since he did it himself.
Thank you J for getting Raz to provide that, by the way. I feel better about him now since he did it himself.
Kantrip
Kantplay
@Nabe, X1-12 used it when referring to Ryker's attacking of another player for their case. I looked it up on mafiascum after that.
Ryker was scum that game.
Ryker was scum that game.
John, I see you viewing so riddle me this.
You said you found Circus scummy and disliked him because of his attack on you (which has dissipated since Xastrn heat caught on) yet you choose to vote Xastrn now when it comes down between those two, why?
You said you found Circus scummy and disliked him because of his attack on you (which has dissipated since Xastrn heat caught on) yet you choose to vote Xastrn now when it comes down between those two, why?
That's not why I FoS'd WK. I really dislike the last posts we had together and I don't get a town PoV from it. Though I am going back to double-check something because this rings a similar bell to WK's first game in DGames.
Straight from Mafia-Wiki itself so it'll settle this little squabble between WK/Kanty
[collapse=Let's see who's "right".]Chainsaw Defense (Tarhalindur Version)
The general form of this tell is "a player who defends another player by attacking the other player's attacker is very probably scum".
The key to identifying this tell is intent - it is possible to confuse Chainsaw Defense with a player who simply finds the attacker scummy and has no intent of defense. In general, you can be reasonably sure that this tell is involved if a) the player supposedly using Chainsaw Defense has not previously been especially critical of the player he is now attacking, and b) the player supposedly using Chainsaw Defense seems to find the player he is supposedly defending at least reasonably pro-town.
The extreme form of this tell is Mutual Chainsaw Defense, where two players defend each other by attacking each others' attackers. This is a major scumtell, and Tarhalindur would be willing to lynch/vig both players with only this tell as justification.
The Chainsaw Defense is named after the mental image of a player ripping apart another player with a chainsaw for daring to attack his ally. It should not be confused with the Cochrane Defense, which can also be referred to as the Chainsaw Defense (the Wiki refers to the Cochrane Defense this way), which is a gambit made by players investigated as scum. The Chainsaw Defense can also be referred to as the Bodyguard Defense in order to prevent confusion.
UPDATE: After further analysis, Tarhalindur has determined that the Chainsaw Defense is only trustworthy once the player defended has been revealed to be group scum (once the player defended is proved to be Mafia, any player that used Chainsaw Defense on the dead scum should be scrutinized). Otherwise, it is a null tell. Mutual Chainsaw Defense may, however, still be an outright scumtell; more research is required here[/quote]
[collapse=Let's see who's "right".]Chainsaw Defense (Tarhalindur Version)
The general form of this tell is "a player who defends another player by attacking the other player's attacker is very probably scum".
The key to identifying this tell is intent - it is possible to confuse Chainsaw Defense with a player who simply finds the attacker scummy and has no intent of defense. In general, you can be reasonably sure that this tell is involved if a) the player supposedly using Chainsaw Defense has not previously been especially critical of the player he is now attacking, and b) the player supposedly using Chainsaw Defense seems to find the player he is supposedly defending at least reasonably pro-town.
The extreme form of this tell is Mutual Chainsaw Defense, where two players defend each other by attacking each others' attackers. This is a major scumtell, and Tarhalindur would be willing to lynch/vig both players with only this tell as justification.
The Chainsaw Defense is named after the mental image of a player ripping apart another player with a chainsaw for daring to attack his ally. It should not be confused with the Cochrane Defense, which can also be referred to as the Chainsaw Defense (the Wiki refers to the Cochrane Defense this way), which is a gambit made by players investigated as scum. The Chainsaw Defense can also be referred to as the Bodyguard Defense in order to prevent confusion.
UPDATE: After further analysis, Tarhalindur has determined that the Chainsaw Defense is only trustworthy once the player defended has been revealed to be group scum (once the player defended is proved to be Mafia, any player that used Chainsaw Defense on the dead scum should be scrutinized). Otherwise, it is a null tell. Mutual Chainsaw Defense may, however, still be an outright scumtell; more research is required here[/quote]
Can you go more into as to why that is the case? I mean I think it's a little funny to follow one of your scum-picks to a lynch-candidate. :o But that could just be me so walk me through it.
Haha I loved Pandas and thought it was time for a change. :3J you went and changed your avatar; I thought for a second that Panta had made a flood of posts....
Panta shoooould make a flood of posts though.
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If he's bussing Xastrn, then it looks like he might have gotten his buddy killed. I wasn't going to go off of just Circus's reads/post, but with Solid's elaboration on the Xas topic, I felt confident in giving my vote to Xas.
J, do you think this wagon's gonna go through and take out Xas? Or will it shift to someone else?
My PoV on this? Well I personally would like to see the wagon snap to Circus however I am getting really tired at the moment and I have plans tomorrow so I don't think I have much time to put into a Circus case with extensive detail so if at best it would be sloppy things and I don't want that.
The wagon could go through and take out Xas but I am really thinking it's best to get rid of Circus toDay instead of.
John, would you vote to get rid of Circus over Xas considering everything toDay?
The wagon could go through and take out Xas but I am really thinking it's best to get rid of Circus toDay instead of.
John, would you vote to get rid of Circus over Xas considering everything toDay?
If there were no CC's or anything I see no reason not to believe him. Scummy behaviour does not necessarily cross out a claim.
I don't get why you needed to say that he wasn't playing jester like yet you still use it as an example. It seems counter-productive to what you are trying to get across. =P
You're good vigbait if we have a vig, though, so I don't suppose that I mind too much.[/QUOTE]
Bolded bits contradict each other. You are saying that Kanty is good vig-bait yet in the next quote you are saying you aren't telling the vig anything which is contradictory. You were the first thing to bring up vig-scenarios and he had every right to call you out on this.WK said:
You still have not explained the bolded to me yet in your own words. However I have a question for you, explain to me in your own words Circus' flip from you to Xastrn, was it natural or more opportunistic?
^^^^others can answer this because this is key.
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All right, I'm either voting Circus or Xastrn. I'm still sure that one of them is scum.
vote: Circus
I still don't see it as being as bad as you make it out to be. You are continually fixating on this "scum through and through" stuff, and it's feeling more and more like misrepresentation to achieve a mislynch. Xastrn has said that there was no case to be built on RR because of lack of content, and he actually backed off of RR sooner than you are giving him credit for, yet you just keep bombarding him and us with the same point. I don't like the case on Solid either tbh, but apart from that, I've been okay with his defense. Even his vote on you is null, as I can see town doing the same in that situation.
vote: Circus