Majoras Mask Mafia! DGames' Longest Game Ends - Who Won?!?!?!?

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Solid, I'm going to be investigating you toNight, assuming you're not lynched. Are you okay with that? If so, and you are lynched, who should I target in your place?

Knock yourself out. If I were to be lynched, I would investigate dabuz, but that's just me.

 

[Circus]

I think Nabe's strategy (gonna call it that because I can't think of a better word to use) would probably have been fine if you hadn't badgered him about it. You (Werekill) have shown that you're reading very shallowly into the intent behind most of the posts in this game, and it would be best if you had just let Nabe do his thing. Your barking at people before actually figuring out if they're an unwelcome house guest or just a friend of them family you haven't been introduced to yet (new dog metaphor—NAILED IT).

Though I agree that he shouldn't have called you a moron. But I'm the last person who should be lecturing anybody about keeping their composure during a mafia game.

 

[Circus]

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Normally I don't care about typos, but that one's bothering me.

 

[Circus]

*the

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[#HBC | Nabe]

Nabe, you forgot a scenario. What if you're scum and telling the truth?

This is totally valid, I love scum cops. Go read Pizza Mafia.

 

[Lore]

Though I agree that he shouldn't have called you a moron. But I'm the last person who should be lecturing anybody about keeping their composure during a mafia game.

Bebop?

@Kantrip: I was just saying that I name claim is a traditional part of claiming, but it doesn't really matter.

I'm just going to treat Nabe as cop for the rest of the Day.

 

[Kantrip]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you're a scum cop... wouldn't you not want a CC?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I was hanging on to that single point because I thought that you were full of ****, and insulting me and throwing out my points as me "not reading" just made it worse.

But unless you're scum, that's what it is. Your read is shallow. Let's quote me telling you why that's the case -- a post that you refused to respond to, hence our recent empty argument.

Go back and read the conditions under which I claimed -- was it solicited or unsolicited? Was I under pressure in any way? Was there benefit at the time? Does there seem to be benefit for a scumNabe at all? What about town?

I said this because I didn't observe you having done this -- makes sense, yeah? At this point, you still haven't done this. "This" i.e. appraising the condition and giving a view of the full situation (that is, a view that looks like a full view to people who aren't you), which you haven't.

If this isn't valid, you need to say why i.e. respond to my post.

Go back and read the thread as I asked of you already, because your current accusations are answered in my tone and my content, and in the conditions of the game. What you're currently doing is making it abundantly clear that you haven't been paying attention. What I've done currently to clue you in to my intent is, for example, insisting that I don't want to see a third party claim or counterclaim investigative -- what does that tell you about potential town or scum motivations from me?

Again: my appraisal of events. Am I wrong to say that you haven't read? Am I wrong to say that you're not (visibly) considering motivations? If I am, tell me so and why.

Until you express some manner of complaint that informs me and everyone that you yourself are informed of the situation, I (and others) will assure you that what you're currently saying is neither valid or relevant. To be relevant, you need to be informed.

Pretty standard. As I've explained in the previous two paragraphs, you don't appear to have grasped the situation in full. If you have, there's nothing in your posts that suggests as much.

Circus puts it very succinctly: "you're reading very shallowly into the intent behind most of the posts in this game". That's certainly how it appears, and I would add that you're not making an effort to remedy it. I'm sorry to hear that you're disillusioned with mafia in general, but that's the game we're playing.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you're a scum cop... wouldn't you not want a CC?

Yes. But a scum cop wouldn't be an alignment cop, unless it's an indy who's a cop (again, Pizza Mafia). A mafia-aligned cop would likely be a role cop or some thin variant i.e. character or race, since the mafia can assume everyone to be town without incident.

 

[Kantrip]

You did claim "investigative role".

This could be a race cop, role cop, tracker.

I'm not sure where you're going with this, but I'm going to assume you're either town faking the role, or scum that actually IS an investigative role.

Either way, you don't want a CC.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Alternatively, WK, if we're dropping the issue:
What do you think of T-block's reads?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

You did claim "investigative role".

This could be a race cop, role cop, tracker.

I'm not sure where you're going with this, but I'm going to assume you're either town faking the role, or scum that actually IS an investigative role.

Either way, you don't want a CC.

Sure, that's fine and valid.
Unless you have something else to say about it though, I'd like to get things back on track.

Circus, what's shakin'? Who would you see lynched toDay?

 

[Lore]

Alternatively, WK, if we're dropping the issue:
What do you think of T-block's reads?

I'll get to that in the morning when I can actually think.

And yes, I'm dropping the issue for now.

 

[Dabuz]

Before responding, let me request you put in the appropriate quote for each response, it is much more difficult to respond when I have to look back at the sections each of your paragraphs responds to. For reference, this post by xastrn was a response to my 610. How do i link the post within text?

Also, what happened to quick edits? I can't edit a post to add color without it counting as edited now? ;_;

dabuz, I appreciate what you're working on with your case against me but it's like swiss cheese.

Then your defense is like a honeycomb

Do you know something I don't is what ALL the players in this game are asking each other. I'm just more direct that many others. Subtlety is for scum. I'm going to ask what I mean and mean what I say. If I'm all out there, then no one will have to do any crazy guesswork if I'm killed later and they are looking for connections. that's why I almost never breadcrumb, too.

I don't like this response. I don't have a problem with that being a question, i do have a suspicion because of the WAY it was asked. This part does nothing to address the fact that you asked in a way that implies you have knowledge. So, let me ask you this, do you have extra knowledge and why should I believe your response?

Did I miss something from the mod: at that point, there was 440 posts in the thread. It's quicker to ask than it is to reread the whole thread.

Fair enough, although you still could of looked for mod posts, they are easy to notice :l

My response to J's "do you have a plan" was "no, I don't have a plan. I'm going to do what we all are doing and keep reading, asking questions, and look for a good lynch." I think of day 1 in maybe a unique way, but I'm looking for a lynch that will set us up for day 2 forward. It may or may not be the scummiest player at the current time. Circus has looked mad scummy, but most of us are coming around on him and thinking he's just an over-reacting town, you know? I can't just lynch someone who feels scummy on day 1. I need information from that flip. Otherwise, we'll have what we had in our most recent game in the broom (30 rock mafia) where we no lynched on day 1 and it haunted us throughout the whole game from then on. It was a nightmare.

The reason i had a problem with the post was because, and i shall quote.

I don't see the point of this paragraph, basically, its all fluff for: "I haven't planned out D1 and ill lynch a good lynch." What I really dislike is how he has to mention he hasn't planned out D1, when that wasn't even mentioned within the referenced quotation from J. Also, he HAS to say he will vote for a good pro-town lynch, GOOD PRO-TOWN lynch, a lynch is meant to be good pro-town, thats like scum saying thay will NK a good pro-town player. DUH! THATS IMPLIED

Your response is diverting from all the issues I had stated within this post, unless im missing how it adequately responds. Respond to that quote again.

I made comments about inactivity because it was specifically relevant to the question being asked. And I reiterated that inactivity is a huge pet peeve of mine in these games. The reason I'm in this game is because I was in several broom games in a row that were super inactive and pretty lame. I needed a GOOD mafia fix to make me feel better about mafia. D-Games are more active than broom games.

Ok, very understandable response.

My post regardin the J history was intended to answer his question by referring to the two games we've played together. I pointed out specifically that both games, I was voting for inactives until they became active, and then backed off. I noticed that you didn't reference my post of "I voted for you immediately (J) because you had been inactive" as an opposite-AtE. You cherry picked one thing I said nice about how I saved J and won the game as an AtE and ignored the VERY NEXT SENTENCE that contradicted your idea about what I was trying to accomplish.

Mis-reading on my part, fair enough, so you HATE inactivity, i still don't feel comfortable about having to state that, but i'll let it go.

You are looking for subtle tricks, and I'm just not that guy.

Question, do you think subtle tricks are a good way to fidn scum?

I asked OS for the chart and he posted it. that doesn't mean that i was responsible for analyzing it out loud with everyone, does it? I love that chart, and I'd like OS to post updates every 48 hours or so, to keep it fresh for us. The purpose of that chart isn't to have secret private information. The purpose is to FORCE scum to talk to each other, and to force inactives to post, and to force passives to take stances. All three of those are pro-town, and they only happen if he POSTS the chart. do you see what I mean? You aren't looking deep enough at this. S'ok, you're relatively new, but I just want you to understand that you're looking for subtlety in exactly the wrong ways, and missing nuances of what's going on.

Your not exactly getting what im trying to say. OS can make that chart, fine; if he is town, that gives him extra information that can GREATLY benefit town. However, he should not post it, scum can cover their tracks extremely easily by looking at the chart and trying to fill it in evenly. Forcing them to talk to each other, that won't accomplish much, unless your relying on massive scum slip up. Also, how does it force a passive to take a stand? Its not saying their stances, just notice who they respond to/ about. A passive could easily mention everyone a lot but still be passive. We can call out inactives without a chart, because its easy to see an inactive. OS, opinion? Private chart vs. public chart?



Now, what did YOU gain form the chart? What opinions did it give? Who did you want to push as a result? Basically, why was it beneficial to you in helping town? ect.


BTW, since you didn't respond to this:

First paragraph looks like a nervous post, all the previous posts on that page don't mention inactivity or question Xastrn on whether or not he will follow OS's every move. Also, he posted a lot of stuff in between this post and a post relevant to his relation with OS. This tells me he is creating a back door in case someone tries to call him out on having similar posting/ voting habits/ the same mindset as OS.

Do you have a response to this?

This is really bad. I am allowed to think two parties who are bickering are both scummy, right? Have you ever heard of "bussing" before? Where scum attack each other so that if one flips, the other looks better. Not every argument is town vs scum. Sometimes it's TvT, or SvS. I felt like in that argument, that neither side was winning town points. So what do you want me to do? support one against the other? or give my HONEST assessment that both sides look bad?

Furthermore, I called BOTH sides scum. that's the opposite of "not wanting to take a stance" unless you are the type of thinker where you think every argument has a right and wrong, and one political party is completely right and one is completely wrong, etc. This is mafia. Everything is in shades of grey. ESPECIALLY on day 1.

Ok. Do you think anyone out of Circus/Frio/John are scum?

You're wrong, but nice try. You're case here was "i don't think he was thinking that..." If that's the best you got, then I don't mind ripping your arguments to shreds all day. It's like wrestling with a roll of toilet paper.

Fine, i should re-word it. It was extremely blatant buddying, and more or less for the purpose of buddying rather than actual agreement. Even so, the post served no purpose, no reads, you don't give your input, I don't see your line of thought here besides you want to buddy OS.

Regarding the interaction between J and I, yeah, I forgot to answer the "what do you want from John" question. Caught me forgetting to answer a question. SCUMSLIP!
I had expressed what I wanted from john twice before. I wanted him to post his reads, and tell me why he's not scum. At some point, I was satisfied with what he was doing, (even though he was on my scummy-ish list) and moved my vote to someone who I felt was specifically more scummy AND would give us more information on his flip: RR. Remember how day 1 lynches are all about information? RR gave us TONS of interactions to re-read on day 2 based on his flip, when he fake-claimed early. We can see all of that history after his flip, and come up with smart assessments about who might be likely scum partners or whatever depending on the flip.

The thing is, J's question was that entire section of the post dedicated to you, you can't forget about the only thing asked there, especially when you have the quotation in front of you for reference. Now it looks like you were ignoring the question on purpose.

Also, what made you state J's post was fluff?

BTW, im gonna re-read your bit on RR, although that is a completely different issue, it can be a good bit of insight ill try to include in my next post.



@J: Did you notice that xastrn did not respond to your question?

So I had a combination of scummy and "gives me lots of info" in a RR lynch and I voted RR and asked the game to consider swinging away from circus, but leaving a circus vote on the table as a backup.

So, lets imagine RR is scum, what info do you get? Lets say he is scum, what info do you get?

?

Why would I do that? I've stated my day 1 philosophy. Why would switching the backup from panta to circus be a part of my plan?

Part of your plan? Whats your plan for day 1?



welp, time for sleep

 

[Overswarm]

Your not exactly getting what im trying to say. OS can make that chart, fine; if he is town, that gives him extra information that can GREATLY benefit town. However, he should not post it, scum can cover their tracks extremely easily by looking at the chart and trying to fill it in evenly. Forcing them to talk to each other, that won't accomplish much, unless your relying on massive scum slip up. Also, how does it force a passive to take a stand? Its not saying their stances, just notice who they respond to/ about. A passive could easily mention everyone a lot but still be passive. We can call out inactives without a chart, because its easy to see an inactive. OS, opinion? Private chart vs. public chart?

*facepalm*

 

[Kantrip]

Overswarm, why do you bruise your face so, when you can actually help town and tell people WHY you are facepalming?

"*facepalm*" is never going to be a pro-town post.

 

[X1-12]

@Mod: Answer my past question, can I claim to be scum?

You May


10char

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Who is WK? That's a stupid abbreviation which in my mind only stands for Watermelon Kirby. Anyway, don't make me say "dumb or scum", it's a ****ty phrase.

As for RR, I would expect scum RR to do more, to have more of an agenda. Scum RR addresses people, while I suspect that a lazy townRR deflects.

Your one of the few people I fear for calling out my meta as scum, lol.

suddenly everything on hold
Vote: Werekill


If it's the truth, I'm not expecting a CC.
If I'm town and faking, I don't want a CC since that would out the CC.
If I'm scum and faking, I want a CC.
gee I wonder how we can resolve this


durr


Oh man. Look at me cruising through the game, not attracting attention.


You're right, why delay it? I'm town cop.

NOTE TO ANY COPS IN THE VICINITY!!!
Don't CC, obviously. And don't hint that you're a cop or even acknowledge that I've posted.
this sure made things less obtuse


"I am scum harping on a BS point despite how it's plainly been shown that I haven't been reading and don't know my ****, and I'm doing it because I haven't been reading and don't have anything else to say."
oh okay then


You are phoning in content.

You are refusing to contribute outside of a limited repetitive scope (e.g. repeating your points rather than responding to mine, and refusing to talk about T-block).

You are hanging thinly to principles rather than reading the thread and analyzing what I've done in context, and then, if you care to, returning and forming a proper argument based on the game itself.

I agree with this, though I find myself trying to figure out how to separate this from scum over dumbtown.

You May


10char

http://doulifee.com//Storage/aceatt/GyakutenSaiban1/ani-angel-hairflip.gif

Yes! I'll remember this for later.

~

Werekill why did you ignore my posts directed at you from before?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Votecount 7 - [8/15] - Deadline 11th October

Raziek [0]
T-Block [0]
Overswarm [1] - RR
Xastrn [2] - J, dabuz
Solid [2] - OS, Kantrip
Panta [1] - T-Block
Red Ryu [1] - Xastrn
dabuz [1] - MOD
Nabe [1] - Werekill
Circus [2] - Frio, John2k4
Werekill [1] - Nabe
John2k4 [1] - Circus
Kantrip [2] - Panta, Solid
J [0]
Frio [1] - MOD

Not Voting [1] - Raziek

 

[Circus]

Bebop?

*shudder* Don't even say it. Thinking about how stupidly heated that game became in general still makes me cringe.

Circus, what's shakin'? Who would you see lynched toDay?

John, Frio, Panta, and Xastrn are my guys toDay, I think. Pretty much in that order. Frio's kind of floating around there in terms of how scummy I actually think he is just because he just hasn't done anything and apparently won't be able to do much of anything until at least tomorrow. I'll have a better idea of how badly I may want him gone then, but for now, I know there's no reason for me to want him around. Panta's on a raft, following that boat. We've still got almost a week to get a bead on them though.

Thoughts on Panta as a lynch target, fallback or otherwise? I believe you declared him town earlier. Elaboration on that would do my heart good.

 

[Dastrn]

Everyone is jumping on this.

Dude. stop. seriously.

 

[Xastrn]

Dude. stop. seriously.

oopsididitagain

 

[#HBC | J]

That is the most varied vote-count I've seen I think. It's like so scattered on so many people and not one person has even a little edge above anyone else.

Circus, what changed your mind about Xastrn? I don't recall you having him as a scum-suspect.

@dabuz: Yes, I did realize he didn't answer my question so I have been waiting for him to have answered it. ;P

@Solid: What makes you say that if you are lynched, dabuz should be investigated. It seems like an odd choice. Is he a scumspect of yours?

 

[Xastrn]

**** this sorta-claiming ****. If you're flat out saying that you're the investigator, then it is anti-town to not say the actual role name without allowing a chance to CC. You can't use the excuse of "oh I don't want to die" because you know that you'll be rb'd automatically if scum ever think that you can investigate.

Vote: Nabe until you say the actual role name.

Role fishing is dangerous

Votecount 6 - [8/15] - Deadline 11th October

Raziek [0]
T-Block [0]
Overswarm [1] - RR
Xastrn [2] - J, dabuz
Solid [2] - OS, Kantrip
Panta [1] - T-Block
Red Ryu [1] - Xastrn
dabuz [1] - MOD
Nabe [1] - Werekill
Circus [2] - Frio, John2k4
Werekill [0]
John2k4 [1] - Circus
Kantrip [2] - Panta, Solid
J [0]
Frio [1] - MOD

Not Voting [2] - Nabe, Raziek

Dabuz receives a Mod-Vote for editing posts.

I don't like how spread out our votes are right now. Almost every player is voting someone different.

I'm really not liking how intent Werekill is on getting a role out of Nabe. I fail to see how it helps town if Nabe were to claim.

I agree with solid here. WK is pushing too hard on this one. I think he's missing the point of the soft-claim.

There are no benefits to town now, but there will be after an actual claim.

Really, he has literally no reason at all to not name claim. He has already claimed to be an investigator, so I find it unlikely that avoiding fire is his reason.

Now you want a name claim?

I'm starting to wonder about whether WK has some sort of power based on name. Like maybe he's a vig that can only target my flavor name, or something. Or Role-block by name? That might make more sense.

I am going to recant my suspicions of Overswarm at this point. I highly doubt that scum would put that much effort analyzing the data dump, let alone compiling the data in the first place.

That's a VERY dangerous stance to take. Why wouldn't scum want to work as hard as town? Who says only town works hard to win?

One other thing before I go back to catch-up: People should stop giving OS town points for "working hard" in this game. It's not like he of all people would slack as scum. If anything, he enjoys manipulating people even more than he likes hunting scum, so if you're looking for timidness as a scumtell, you're probably not going to find it with him.

+1 to circus.

I've got a strong town read on OS, but still, it has NOTHING to do with that chart.

Nabe, I'm not even going to dignify that with a response. I'm calling you out on a valid point, yet you call me a moron who has no idea what's going on. Your attitude (and others like it) is exactly the reason why I'm slowly getting tired of forum mafia, and if I respond to it, I may say things that I will regret later.

Just be more mature next time, please.



Straight up claim. He's doing nothing but hiding behind the "fact" that he's an investigative role, and a straight claim would at least allow an actual pr, if we have one, to cc. His only reasoning behind this is that he doesn't want a CC to get involved, which is bull ****.

He has no reason to not straight up claim at this point since he's the guaranteed RB or kill, so his refusal to do so only points towards two possibilities: he's scum or he's faking it.

Honestly, I don't give a **** if he's faking it as a part of a gambit or something. It just adds one more layer of confusion to the game, and in a game where there has already been a fake claim, it isn't likely to work well. His investigative "claim" is only useful to him, not for town, as a "shield" of sorts that helps keep off suspicion, and I find that to be a massively questionable situation.

Besides, like I said, a claim does nothing to hurt him more right now. He has already admitted to being an investigative, and what the role actually is doesn't matter at that point; scum are gonna go after him.

So in other words, I want to either see an actual claim so that we might get a cc and find scum or confirmation that he is faking. I'm fine either way.

Werekill, I think you are scum. If I didn't want Red Ryu dead so badly, I'd flip to you in a heartbeat.

*facepalm*

10facepalms

 

[#HBC | J]

J, I like this post.

Tell me why RR. =P

3 is absolutely null to me. Sort out specifically where you got the impression that it was otherwise and let me know.

The thing that made me think that you had a more towny read on 3's slot was because of the way you have been talking to him all game. I get the impression with the subtle buddying that you either, A.) Trust 3 to an extant as a town-read. or B.) You just like him in general as a player so far it seems. I thought the former because of him deploying what he did in the beginning and how you respond to some of his posts with light-hearted jokes. I guess it's not that indicative of a town-read but it didn't seem/null scum to you.

Plus you said that 3 should not be dead toDay by chance. While I can agree to see your opinion, I feel that he just isn't really worth much as of late.

You are refusing to contribute outside of a limited repetitive scope (e.g. repeating your points rather than responding to mine, and refusing to talk about T-block).

How is the bolded scummy? If you feel this way about refusing to talk about people or things, what do you think of 3's denial to do anything?

+1 to circus.

I've got a strong town read on OS, but still, it has NOTHING to do with that chart.

Explain how and where with posts to back this up please.

 

[#HBC | J]

Raz, you are the only one not voting. Why? Also, do you see something ironic with that vote-count? Specially the one's with 0's next to their names? Should Panta die for his last posts? What about dabuz?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Thoughts on Panta as a lynch target, fallback or otherwise? I believe you declared him town earlier. Elaboration on that would do my heart good.

His 732 (response to me) feels very natural and wasn't what I expected to hear. I'm fairly certain I'm not looking at Panta as we move towards deadline.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Vote: Xastrn

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

The thing that made me think that you had a more towny read on 3's slot was because of the way you have been talking to him all game. I get the impression with the subtle buddying that you either, A.) Trust 3 to an extant as a town-read. or B.) You just like him in general as a player so far it seems. I thought the former because of him deploying what he did in the beginning and how you respond to some of his posts with light-hearted jokes. I guess it's not that indicative of a town-read but it didn't seem/null scum to you.

I get along with 3 in general. Anyway, I'm just not looking at him toDay. It's a decently large roster with a lot of D1 players to sift through.

Plus you said that 3 should not be dead toDay by chance. While I can agree to see your opinion, I feel that he just isn't really worth much as of late.

Mm. I'd vote him at deadline against town reads or a No Lynch. But other people are better lynches by far and his presence in D1 isn't something I'm concerned with.

As I said previously, I'll be developing a natural read on him as the game continues, based on his current playstyle -- this is necessary due to the way he changes play every game. There's no point to analysis of 3 on any other basis, right now.

How is the bolded scummy? If you feel this way about refusing to talk about people or things, what do you think of 3's denial to do anything?

It's contextual, not solely about him refusing to answer once. I asked him a question multiple times and he refused to answer, on the grounds that he was busy interrogating me. Compare with 3 who's made it clear that he's not doing much at the moment -- there's no room to hide his intent, he's clearly being open and honest about it.

 

[Overswarm]

Overswarm, why do you bruise your face so, when you can actually help town and tell people WHY you are facepalming?

"*facepalm*" is never going to be a pro-town post.

He asked for my opinion. I gave it to him.

People are stupid.

"Hey guys, let's have a fallback lynch. I choose Panta because he's obviously a pain, he's already set himself up to be inactive later"

Response:

"But now scum can hide!!! They can just say lol and go for a Panta lynch by being inactive instead of worrying if scum will die day 1! Cats and dogs will be living together! Mass hysteria!"

I"M COUNTING ON IT

 

[Lore]

Werekill why did you ignore my posts directed at you from before?

If you'll say what post numbers, I'd be happy to. I was just too caught up in Nabe to see them.

And yes, I'm basically admitting that I was wrong about Nabe, Xastrn. I was possibly wrong to push it, but it just seemed fishy after we already had another unprovoked claim. >_<

I've also never had any games so far where we had claims like that D1, so that doesn't help either.

I'm ready to move on and lynch someone else, so I'll Vote: RR and get back to where I was in the first place before this Nabe crap.

@Circus: Haha, yeah, but it wasn't a BAD heat except for a couple points like me vs Rockin at first, Xsyven's ninja lynch, and me vs you. I might be biased since it was my first, but it was my favorite game so far.

 

[Lore]

Whoops, left the gif in. I was seeing if the

 

[T-block]

Yay early morning mafia

In light of Panta's recent posts after re-entering the game, have your views regarding him changed at all? How about with dabuz?

dabuz is looking better in my eyes. I originally suspected him (as of post 463) because all he had was... two posts with any content IIRC, and they were filled with fluff and completely useless questions. It looked like fake contributing. Questions like asking Werekill whether he would believe RR's claim if he had claimed a guilty on someone else tell us no information. He's stepped it up since though, so I'll likely be looking at others.

Panta not so much... a couple things in his last big post do not sit well with me at all.

Anyway, I doubt John would have made a post like this as scum as it shows very poor understanding of the game. I do agree with him about my current status as the proclaimed backup lynch.

I agree with this point though, that John is town.

Gives townJohn read. Uses WIFOM as reasoning.

I am going to recant my suspicions of Overswarm at this point. I highly doubt that scum would put that much effort analyzing the data dump, let alone compiling the data in the first place. I am very nervous about Raziek's question due to the apprehension from a few others although I myself thought it was innucous and was about to answer.

Wow. Overswarm once again proves my previous opinions of him wrong.

Overswarm, this isn't related to the game, but you are very intelligent and analytical if your posts are any indication of your intellect. Happy to play a game with you.

Another thing about this post, if Overswarm was scum, he would have no apparent need to say this publicly. If Tblock was his scumpartner, he would just tell him with their day talk ability, if Overswarm was scum he wouldn't need publicly state this as he could just manipulate it (as he pointed out).

Buddying the player who pushed hardest for his lynch using compliments external to the game. Hella weak reasoning for labelling OS as town, which could easily be seen as finding a way to back down from confrontation with a strong player.

Major major major nervousness. Raziek is town nonetheless.

I can't find any reasoning at all for this.

So nope, he's still on my list of people I'm willing to lynch. I'll have to reread recent events to see if he's still my top lynch pick.

So,

@dabuz: Why did you ignore my 463?

 

[T-block]

He asked for my opinion. I gave it to him.

People are stupid.

"Hey guys, let's have a fallback lynch. I choose Panta because he's obviously a pain, he's already set himself up to be inactive later"

Response:

"But now scum can hide!!! They can just say lol and go for a Panta lynch by being inactive instead of worrying if scum will die day 1! Cats and dogs will be living together! Mass hysteria!"

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I"M COUNTING ON IT

If that's referring to me, that's not even close to what my response was.

 

[Overswarm]

I wouldn't call me town. I haven't really done anything, I don't want to take a leading role this game.

 

[Raziek]

*yawns*

Another day, another post.

It troubles me that your response quoted above focuses on the aspect of me being right or wrong, rather than on understanding where I'm coming from, since I think my inclination here towards the latter was clear and distinct. That your mind goes there seems indicative of a scum mindset.

Anyway, instead of commenting on your understanding of the original point, tell me if you understand my above point.

I understand your concern, yes. I'm just irked that you're stuck on this. I made my intentions for asking John for reads clear, so I'm going to leave this now, as your concern seems to stem mainly from the difference between Solid's approach and my own.

But surely you don't mean to tell me that he looked like a dead end while you were voting him. I understand your result after reconsideration, but that's not what I've asked.

What I'm asking is, again, what prompted you to reconsider? Did a post prompt you to rethink, for example a post where he expressed the salt? Or did it just occur to you that a reexamination was in order?

No, actually, it did begin to look like a dead end while I was voting him. That's why I unvoted.

I was prompted to reconsider because I didn't feel I was going to gain anything further out of the pressure. As I already mentioned, I felt it had turned into "You suck." "No, YOU Suck.", so further exchange wasn't going to give me much. There was no particular post that caused me to do so.

It was more of a feeling of, "This isn't going to go anywhere in terms of new information, I'm wasting my time." Thus why I moved to trying to gain more information from John.

You've at least got your reactions reversed, though if anything I would call the entirety of it null.

Then we can leave it at that, yes? We're butting heads over differences in playstyle and intent.

John's play has been interesting to read. At first I thought blatant town, but like Nabe and Solid, I seem to be going against the grain with my town read. >_> Making me feel really inferior and bad at mafia.

Bleck, noob card.

I am going to recant my suspicions of Overswarm at this point. I highly doubt that scum would put that much effort analyzing the data dump, let alone compiling the data in the first place. I am very nervous about Raziek's question due to the apprehension from a few others although I myself thought it was innucous and was about to answer.

This was addressed. OS isn't Town just because he made a fancy chart.

Circus is actually an interesting point I wanted to know, why did the votes pile onto him? I actually think he is town. ._.

J, Nabe and I agreed that a lot of what Circus had done seemed fake. We got some more content and reactions from him.

@Mod: Answer my past question, can I claim to be scum?

Why are you wasting time with this? This is fake activity.

I mean, I don't like your first post after Kantrip came in (585 that started off the interaction, so that's one thing. What that said to me was "I'm not going to taint your reading but here are two things that will taint your reading". Just saying "this isn't supposed to taint your reading" doesn't make someone ignore it, in fact it will most likely make them look for those facts even more. Pointing something like that out to someone new to the game takes away from the genuineness of their opinions when they read up and get into the game.

I don't like that people are making a big deal of this. I told him who the votes/focus seemed to be currently on in my opinion. I said nothing about the content of the cases, nor did I offer any opinions regarding them.

He wanted a brief idea of where we are before he began reading. I don't blame him, as I'd do the same, it would save me a potential re-read if I thought there was someone I had to read closer than I normally would.

Also I still don't like your point about the wagons and votes. It'd be one thing if you unvoted after you said that, but the vote count in the post after you told OS to look at the votes directly contradicts your statements. Saying "these are the wagons" when they really aren't is misleading. If you're going to say anything, say "these were the wagons" or something of that nature.

I suppose this whole thing is a little nit-picky, and I don't think you're omgsuperscum, but this just stuck out to me.

It is nitpicky.

Your shift looked sudden because you were on me pretty good until you apparently had an epiphany and "reconsidered" me. And then you started giving my top scum suspect more heat than you had ever given him before. I get that sometimes you just change your mind about people and then specific exchanges and relationships can look different, and that can be hard to express in thread without looking waffle-y. But what bothers me is that the catalyst of this change of mind seems to be the fact that you just didn't think you'd be able to lynch me. You continuously refer to me as a "deadend" in one way or another. "The Circus lynch isn't happening, so I guess I think he's town now and, oh, John isn't being very compliant now that you mention it...." That's how you're reading to me. It's just weird how your opinion of me and him seemed to shift all at once, and seemingly more for practical purposes than for any easily understandable reasons.

I hope I clarified this sufficiently, but it felt as a deadend in terms of information. I'd be a fool to want to push you all the way to a lynch that early on.

Maybe I'm thinking differently than other players, but switching to obtaining information from the person YOU were drilling seemed a logical place to go to gather information.

I want to hear your thought on players other than John, Circus.

Raz, you are the only one not voting. Why? Also, do you see something ironic with that vote-count? Specially the one's with 0's next to their names? Should Panta die for his last posts? What about dabuz?

Well, obviously the J/Raz/T-Block team has no votes because we're awesome.

I'm not voting at this time because, as I mentioned earlier, I'm making it clear my intentions with my vote. I don't have a player I want specifically to die at this moment, so my vote will hold. I can pressure people without voting.

As for Panta and Dabuz.

Pants feels null to me. There were things I liked, and there were things I didn't. Some of his reasoning is rather naive, and I'm not liking his scumpicks. Why is Frio scum? He hasn't even really played this game yet. Null at worst, if his johns are legit.

I wouldn't call me town. I haven't really done anything, I don't want to take a leading role this game.

At least we agree on something.

 

[Raziek]

Oh, I missed my opinion on Dabuz.

Leaning Town, but he's getting tunnel-visioned on Xatres, over things I consider somewhat trivial. Not really on my radar, wouldn't lynch on just a whim, he's at least being somewhat active.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

But Raziek, I need to know if I can claim scum later. It is super important to this game!

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Dude. stop. seriously.

:teehee:

 

[Raziek]

Are you going to be any use, or just kept around till Lylo because you always look scummy regardless of alignment?