Majoras Mask Mafia! DGames' Longest Game Ends - Who Won?!?!?!?

[Lore]

I'm really not liking how intent Werekill is on getting a role out of Nabe. I fail to see how it helps town if Nabe were to claim.

There are no benefits to town now, but there will be after an actual claim.

Really, he has literally no reason at all to not name claim. He has already claimed to be an investigator, so I find it unlikely that avoiding fire is his reason.

 

[Panta]

Caution. It's a red flag, since I don't want to see him hiding behind it, but it's not inherently scummy to me.

Don't know why I quoted this actually... fail.

Nabe essentially has no posts outside of RVS except this one. His RVS had unusually heavy focus on Circus, though.

If he doesn't actually address your response to this, I'd be worried.

I agree with this statement. As I read the game Nabe was a scum read for me. He only started to really post once people noticed his absence and even when he did begin posting they were one line posts that didn't offer much in terms of analysis. However, others saws this as being vocal town. A lot of my reads have been opposite of what others have had. He is posting actual content (imo) now, but I don't like his entrance into this day.

I'm finding RR actions pretty weird. He came out as a day cop day 1. If it's true he's just hoping someone will protect him over night but he hasn't taken any action to encourage his safety. Instead he just went instantly for werekill.

Unvote

Clearly not reading, which I consider a scumtell (scum really don't have a reason as they know who are scum). As has been said before, Frio is a top suspect for his absence and I agree with that read.

J, where are you? You should be here 24/7 to respond to me immediately.

T-block, I suspect you of being town. Do you deny it?
This is a super-serious question despite what you might think.

This is the style of posting that I do not like from Nabe's entrance. It doesn't offer anything to me in terms of a read other than asking questions to try and look active and town. He has moved on from posting these skimpy posts, but as I have said before, I don't like the posting.

After reading more carefully I'm leaning scum but it's not finite. I've never played a game with him before but I don't like how defensive he was being. Calling out OS' joke claim about Circus shows me that much. Defensive play could certainly be town but that plus the going after the easy guy in Spells makes me think bolder scum. Maybe a Joffrey Baratheon.



Don't like this. Overall Xastrn seems too buddyish for my tastes and this reason is a bad one. Not feeling a specific alignment. I also hate WIFOM so that doesn't help him.

What do you think of John?



Speak for yourself, it's the one I was expecting XD.



Awesome, now tell us your reads and some more useful information that you found. Don't like your beating around the bush, Varys.



That'd be this one:



I don't see any problem with it. My being okay with Panta's lynch 'instantly' could be unsettling, but I stand by it because his play is scummy.



Quality question, I like it. I'd sleep with you to keep you close. And because you won't kill your children. Now I have a question for you: you're Robb Stark, riding into battle. Who, of the active players, do you name as castellan of Winterfell in your absence?

Overall thoughts: J and Raz are good, Nabe leaning good but need more, would like more from Overswarm and Circus before forming an opinion, Xastrn uneasy, John needs to deliver more content, don't like Panta, Frio completely null, RR leaning town, gambit was good idea but him pulling off does nothing so I don't like that, will be waiting for Spells to replace out before I can get a real read.

This was actually a post I liked from Solid and I consider him a town read. He shows proactive motive and genuinely seems to be scumhunting. I especially like his statement about Xastryn's play as I noticed the same trait myself.

Alright Solid.

My two scumpicks so far would be Red and Panta.

Red was quick to fake a daycop, calling out Were. He could either be scum, trying to act like town and seem intelligible towards the vote, or he could be town, trying to throw the scum off. my gut is leaning toward scum.

Panta seems like he could be a scum scapegoat to me. They could be using him as the second lynch to cause the town to firmly pick a primary lynch, so that he does not get picked.

John's play has been interesting to read. At first I thought blatant town, but like Nabe and Solid, I seem to be going against the grain with my town read. >_> Making me feel really inferior and bad at mafia.

Anyway, I doubt John would have made a post like this as scum as it shows very poor understanding of the game. I do agree with him about my current status as the proclaimed backup lynch.

I can't be lynched unless I want to be lynched. Trust me on that one.

John2k4 is town or one of the worst scum players I've ever seen. One or the other. I'd lean towards town.

You'll get more later when I'm done watching Braveheart.

Interesting. *strokes beard* very interesting.

I agree with this point though, that John is town.

Well now that's not very good mafia, now is it?

What reason do I have to answer your questions Raziek, and are your questions going to help determine mine or others alignments? What reasoning has brought you to this point?

Solid can very well avoid my questions should he so desire. I'll just kill him for it. You have no such power over me.

I am going to recant my suspicions of Overswarm at this point. I highly doubt that scum would put that much effort analyzing the data dump, let alone compiling the data in the first place. I am very nervous about Raziek's question due to the apprehension from a few others although I myself thought it was innucous and was about to answer.

Why is race important? I know that it's listed in the role pm, but there's nothing else that signifies it. It could just be a red herring for when a scum gets lynched and race is revealed.

I'm not going to trust flavor until I see more than a couple flips.

Pretty much my feelings on the race question.

I know something you don't. Don't half-claim, people. Your race affects night actions.

Nabe, why the hate?

Major major major nervousness. Raziek is town nonetheless.

There's a very strong contrast between Xastrn's play and current DGames play in a lot of cases, which can be challenging to wrap your head around. For example, @T-block, when he calls your advice and breaking of another player's town read on you a town move (418).

In more recent games, players started talking about advice as a way to garner town points as scum. The devil's advocate would argue, in this case, that it's just as viable for you to be scum breaking a player's town reasoning on you but simultaneously establishing another reason for a town read by giving him advice and by him acknowledging that you're challenging that town read, while also creating the possibility for new town reads to form built off of that advice by other players (the read from Xastrn, for example).

How do you feel about Xastrn at the moment? Have you had any trouble reconciling his play with the current metagame?

Uhh... no. I don't agree with this post. Meta is a poor excuse for a scumhunting tool, but so many people seem to love employing the damn thing. I guess it makes sense since you guys are a close knit community and only a fraction of you play Mafia, but I still don't like the crutch you are using when you are using meta as a basis. :\

Stop playing the short game T-block.

Look at it this way.

I say something
you say "explain yoself"

I do, and you get to say "I am satisfied" but my previous statement no longer has the same impact it did for whatever reason. If you say "where were you on april 10th" and I say "In disneyland", everyone knows I can't say I was anywhere else later. Likewise, if I ask someone else "where were you on april 10th" and you ask me "why", if I respond "I want to see he is in disneyland" then everyone knows to not respond disneyland. See the different situations those questions are useful? Do you have an actual purpose with that question? Will it answer my alignment for you?

You're doing the same thing with Xastrn. You ever consider that Xastrn buddying me is the norm, and doesn't matter? Or maybe he's doing it deliberately to get reads off of me or maybe even protect himself, since I have a history of not NKilling my buddied town players as scum? You won't know the answer simply by asking; you have to bird watch. But you didn't. Instead you called it out and allowed it to become a "thing", a thing which can be manipulated.

You ever see a cute girl and be like "wow, she's cute" and then she makes eye contact with you, grins, and starts attempting to look more attractive in the way she walks? The situation has changed simply because it is obvious that you are observing it.

Tell me T-block, what am I observing? What have I disturbed?

And why?

Wow. Overswarm once again proves my previous opinions of him wrong.

Overswarm, this isn't related to the game, but you are very intelligent and analytical if your posts are any indication of your intellect. Happy to play a game with you.

Another thing about this post, if Overswarm was scum, he would have no apparent need to say this publicly. If Tblock was his scumpartner, he would just tell him with their day talk ability, if Overswarm was scum he wouldn't need publicly state this as he could just manipulate it (as he pointed out).

Race moves hand-in-hand with character in this gme, and vice versa. In the case of race, we know that a Goron claimant is very likely to be Link-goro, since we're set in Clock Town. Or there might be the Great Fairy, or Tingle (identifies his race as Fairy?) or the Zora manager, the Deku salescrub, the dog. In the opposite sense, if a player claims the Postman we expect his race to be human.

Consequently, it's very likely that we have a town-aligned race cop in this game. As a mod, a race cop would be very appealing for this setup, since it doesn't confirm or deny alignment except in specific cases. Instead it works in tandem with claims in late-game, or sets up the suspicions of the race cop (say, if someone's race is Skull Kid).

This is where I begin to doubt my read on Nabe... Why are you so hard to read?

Werekill, why did I pick you? Cause right now.

And I want to know why me pushing like I did was scummy.

~

Frio your not giving me anything to work with other stance your stances on T-Block and Overswarm. You are way too reserved right now.

John2k4, your in the same boat as Frio. You haven't pushed hard in any direction and are afraid to come out of the shallow end of the pool.

Dabuz, noob card? Tsk Tsk, my former scummate from HunterxHunter should know better than to purposefully throw that out for people to see.

OS should be dethrowned, he's not our King, he doesn't deserve anyone trust atm. Even his chart post doesn't give much except to point out who talked to who yet at the same time I don't see direct correlations with the roaster at large with how everyone has been responding to people. Notice being avoiding, others and how they seem to do this as scum. Ok that is a fair point. Yet later he talks about planting seeds of distrust, which he immedately asks Circus why he questioned me, when it was OS himself who made it implied my claim was real.

T-Block is super cool, I like his responses to OS' Fallback lynch and his questions to inquire from Raziek and others.

Raziek is on my cool team with T-Block. Maybe we could share some Friday tunes together. Since Rebecca Black is his favorite singer ever from his favorite Song ever.

Circus is being wagoned on and I disagree. Two reasons I dislike his wagon. One, John and Frio are on it. Two, I don't see what makes him the play over anyone else or for that matter what he did that was so scummy that needs a lynch of him unless someone can clear this up more.

Werekill is funny. lol.

Might do more later.

from Overswarm 358
Well you'll find out on my flip, now wont you?

Overswarm, this implies doubt, as I would already know if you were scum or not and thus I would know your intentions.


This is extremely uncharacteristic of Ryu in my opinion and just seems forced in general. I am starting to think that Ryu has a post restriction from the fakeness of the post. I can't really put a finger on Ryu either, yet I want to call him town for his day cop gambit. :\

I've only read up to page 36, but I feel comfortable with my reads right now to post them.

2. Soup T-Block
3. Overswarm - Town
4. Xastrn (Dastrn/Xatres) - nullscum
5. ¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯ - Town
6. Panta -
7. Red Ryu - Nulltown
8. dabuz - nullscum
9. Gustave Nabe - nullTown
10. Circus - town
11. Werekill - town
12. John2k4 - town
13. spellcasters - scum but ya
14. J - town
15. Frio - scum

Circus is actually an interesting point I wanted to know, why did the votes pile onto him? I actually think he is town. ._.

 

[Panta]

Raziek is town as well. didn't notice it cut him off

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Alright. I've done a full read-through, though at times my thoughts were all muddled and I got a headache because frankly: Nothing has been accomplished this game. The heat has been on new players for being... new? I mean, I'd need to be specifically shown what is scummy about posting very little and avoiding questions if you are new. I think if an inexperienced player got scum in their role PM they would know what that means and try to play very carefully, speaking when spoken to and the like. John and Frio and, to a lesser extent, Panta, do not seem scummy to me at all. Someone tell me what I'm missing if there's huge scumtells that aren't complete and utter WIFOM wrt newbie play.

1. Raziek - IGMEOY. Raz looks like town with jumbled thoughts who isn't thinking about everything they're saying right now. I don't like his recent posts, whereas he seemed fine in the early Day.

2. T-Block - I forget what I thought of T-Block :/. I don't have a strong read on him, either way.

3. Overswarm - Whether OS is scum or not, I don't know. What I do know is that he's been helping town thus far and can live. I like the effort OS has been putting in to this game with lists and spreadsheets. I agree with a lot of what he's saying, especially his thoughts on the current "focuses".

4. Xastrn (Dastrn/Xatres) - Meh, I don't really know. I'd need to read these posts again.

5. ¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯ - My biggest scumpick at this point. I probably should have saved some posts for reference. I'll look back for them after I post this. I remember just plain not liking the content of solid's posts, and how he's reacted to people. It may have been a gut feeling when looking for intent in his posts.

6. Panta - Inactive null. Needs to post more.

7. Red Ryu - I don't like all the gif fooling around. The fakeclaim daycop gambit at the start of the game was amusing. I don't like how quickly RR backed off and fessed up, though. Werekill wasn't in any real danger of getting lynched unless someone stupidly hammered (and became the next lynch target because of it). RR could have been scum trying to look town with a "fakeclaim to get reads", and when the wagon got to L-2/L-1, RR got too paranoid and backed out before Werekill had even reacted. He covers this up later with "I wasn't trying to read Werekill". At this point I'll call it Red Ryu fooling around, but I'm gonna keep my eye on him. Leaning scum now, and will remain as such if the tomfoolery continues.

8. dabuz - Null. Needs to post more

9. Nabe - Nabe seems alright so far.

10. Circus - Not sure how I feel about Circus. I think he was just town reacting badly to pressure. He's either going to continue to react badly and get himself lynched, realize his mistake and play more townie, or his scummate set him straight in their quicktopic and he'll be playing more townie.

11. Werekill - I'm fine with Werekill. Reacting as he did was reasonable considering coming into the game and noticing a wagon lifting off and carrying him to L-1.

12. John2k4 - Reads as inexperienced town to me. Explained in my first paragraph.

14. J - I'm wondering about the Xastrn vote. Seems kind of strange for an "I'm fine with this vote" vote that he just dropped off and left there without any reasoning. Unless I missed the reasoning. Either way, J, I'd like to know why you voted Xastrn and why you're so content with your vote remaining there.

15. Frio - Same as John, though with less certainty.

FOS: Red Ryu

Vote: SOLID

You got some interesting reads here. Your reasoning on me is weird then a lot of this is kinda a lot how others are thinking.

Uhm, new voices posting when no one else is. How peculiar and somewhat cool. Especially since I see a Xastrn vote in one. 8)

Kantrip, I have explained why Dastrn was scum in my book a while ago actually and he hasn't done much of anything else lately so I still had him there. I never had changed my mind on him. ;P There are some anomalies in your reads post that are just striking to me.

Raz-read, is he town or is he scum? You say he is jumbled town yet mark him as yellow. Confused a bit.

OS-read, how does effort equivalate to townieness? You say "IDK whether he is scum or town buuuuuut he seems to be helping so he's cool."

TB/Xastrn/Nabe/WK/John/Frio, they all seem thrown in there with like nothing. Especially considering you are calling Nabe town but WK is equally as town as he is. I don't get how you get that impression from WK so could you explain that?



I don't like how you worded this duder. It dances around what you really think of Circus and you even imply that if he is scum, "welp he will just be playing better and thus will probably live longer." I don't know what to call this but it's very bad in wording. It just looks scummy but I can't finger the correct word. I wanna say it's the fact that you are saying that "his scum-mates are setting him straight." or that he will just be a ML anyways that doesn't matter.

Your Solid/Ryu seem to be more blending to me with the bigger thoughts and how more and more people are looking at Solid and Ryu for what is going on.

That post just does not sit well with me Kantrip and I'd like some explanations.

FoS: Kantrip

J, I like this post.

@J: I just said my opinions on some people, but since this is still just D1, that is pretty much the extent of my reads. However, I'll expand on Ryu in just a sec within this post.



What questions?

Also, sir, are you implying that you find my vote to be OMGUS? I hate to burst your bubble, but my vote is on you for a few good reasons, imo. For one, you started a major wagon against a player who wasn't even active (and during what was essentially still the joke phase, to boot), giving us little information on BOTH the wagon riders and the lynchee (me). If you had picked someone like, say, Solid or Raziek, we would have seen some very interesting interactions.

However, that is not the main reason why I'm keeping my vote on you. Your behavior this game has been very different than the norm. We've been seeing patronizing Gifs with no real attempt to respond to accusations, which is scummy in and of itself, in my eyes, but the main problem is how unlike you this is.

From what I've seen of you, you just don't seem like the kind of guy to do this sort of crap. There are only two explanations, most likely, for this change: you're excited about a power role and are playing badly because of it, or you're scum. Since you yourself have admitted that you're always the cop (as a joke), I don't believe that a pr is the reason.

I don't care who you are; being scum will change behavior. It's so utterly different from a town role that it colors your actions, to some extent, and I believe that this is the case.

(woot basic psychology)

That is why I'm voting for you, and I think that you are currently the best lynch candidate.

Tell me, why was me starting a wagon in RvS scummy? Did I intend to get you lynched? Did I intend to make this a legit wagon? I dropped it so that wouldn't happen and I got what I wanted. I got my reasons and say things I wouldn't have seen if I had not done that.

Again I ask, was I trying to get a lynch on you? No, I was trying to get a read on everyone who responded to me or ignored my claim altogether even if it was RvS.

I'm gonna ask you just like I asked Xatres, where am I deflecting from people. No where have people pointed out where I am done this. How does meta apply here as well, I want to ask how you know my meta? People seem to know my "meta" but despite this it seems people never nail it down, outside of Kuzi, Nabe and Beat!. Otherwise most people don't have that down with me.

So you say I'm either a Power Role or I'm scum. I do joke I get cop a lot, I've gotten it 7 times I believe, still you think I am scum.

Why is my change in behavior scummy? I want you to define this.

 

[Frio]

Well people are labeling me as scum cause I'm inactive but I did ask for a switch out because I'm extremely busy this week with 4 midterms. After friday I will be able to actually play lulz.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Well, are you going to reply or not? Telling me to shut up when I'm calling you out just makes you look worse.

And I don't care about T-Block while I'm focusing on you.

You're not calling me out, you moron. You're arguing principles of basic gameplay.

Go back and read the conditions under which I claimed -- was it solicited or unsolicited? Was I under pressure in any way? Was there benefit at the time? Does there seem to be benefit for a scumNabe at all? What about town?

Go back and read the thread as I asked of you already, because your current accusations are answered in my tone and my content, and in the conditions of the game. What you're currently doing is making it abundantly clear that you haven't been paying attention. What I've done currently to clue you in to my intent is, for example, insisting that I don't want to see a third party claim or counterclaim investigative -- what does that tell you about potential town or scum motivations from me?

Until you express some manner of complaint that informs me and everyone that you yourself are informed of the situation, I (and others) will assure you that what you're currently saying is neither valid or relevant. To be relevant, you need to be informed.

Now, if you don't plan to take care of your basic responsibilities regarding this game, then what you can at least do is tell me what you think of T-block's reads.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

That would be 17.



RR's seems to only be using the gif fooling a couple times to get that 24hr post. However, the whole faked Daycop thing has put my FOS on him.

Everyone is jumping on this.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

As I read the game Nabe was a scum read for me. He only started to really post once people noticed his absence and even when he did begin posting they were one line posts that didn't offer much in terms of analysis. However, others saws this as being vocal town. A lot of my reads have been opposite of what others have had. He is posting actual content (imo) now, but I don't like his entrance into this day.

I'm curious about when you think I "began posting" -- since from my perspective I've been consistently posting since the start of the game. What post are you talking about specifically?

Uhh... no. I don't agree with this post. Meta is a poor excuse for a scumhunting tool, but so many people seem to love employing the damn thing. I guess it makes sense since you guys are a close knit community and only a fraction of you play Mafia, but I still don't like the crutch you are using when you are using meta as a basis. :\

You've misunderstood this post, somehow. Meta is not good for scumhunting -- what it is good for is pointing out to a third party that a player's playstyle differs from the overall metagame, and then asking more generally if the third party has had any difficulty reconciling the second player's play in this game with the play they would expect of a townie.

I wonder if you saw me say meta and freaked out, rather than reading the post? Or maybe you're scum looking for a buzz word. In any case, you've misread if you somehow thought it was a crutch, since meta is clearly not the subject of that post.

This is where I begin to doubt my read on Nabe... Why are you so hard to read?

You'll certainly have to elaborate on this point. Do you find flavour or setup analysis scummy?


I notice that in this post, you haven't expressed anything about Xastrn until the end, when you refer to your read on him as "nullscum". How did you form this read? How does it compare to your scumreads on Kantrip and Frio? As well, you should compare/contrast your reads on John and Frio for us.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Ruy, what do you think of T-block's recent reads in 649 and of T-block in general?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

As well, Panta, where is your vote going?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Every single post inbetween my last post and this post made me facepalm. Every one. I am literally having trouble deciding who should die because there are too many options.

So, do something about it.

 

[Panta]

I'm curious about when you think I "began posting" -- since from my perspective I've been consistently posting since the start of the game. What post are you talking about specifically?


You've misunderstood this post, somehow. Meta is not good for scumhunting -- what it is good for is pointing out to a third party that a player's playstyle differs from the overall metagame, and then asking more generally if the third party has had any difficulty reconciling the second player's play in this game with the play they would expect of a townie.

I wonder if you saw me say meta and freaked out, rather than reading the post? Or maybe you're scum looking for a buzz word. In any case, you've misread if you somehow thought it was a crutch, since meta is clearly not the subject of that post.

You'll certainly have to elaborate on this point. Do you find flavour or setup analysis scummy?


I notice that in this post, you haven't expressed anything about Xastrn until the end, when you refer to your read on him as "nullscum". How did you form this read? How does it compare to your scumreads on Kantrip and Frio? As well, you should compare/contrast your reads on John and Frio for us.

I could have sworn I mentioned Xastryn in that post. O_o Well, I don't like his buddying with multiple people and his posts have been very reconciliatory. Plus, the orange for some reason hurts my eyes and I don't like reading his posts so I am mainly going with gut.

Yes, I do find set up speculation very scummy because it is very easy for scum to fake that a role is in the game when it is not, or to distract the town for prolonged periods of time in order to hinder actual scumhunting.

I never said I had a scumread on Kantrip, I had a scumread on Spellcasters.

Spellcasters had refusal to vote when RR gambited, gave bogus reasons for his vote, and all but flailed when questioned about it. His posts before replacing out make me want to change my vote, but I don't trust his slot. I am giving Kantrip some time to reformulate my opinion so I don't really have a read on him specifically at the moment.

Frio likes to post things that really don't matter and commit to ambivalent feelings about certain people saying that they are confusing him or distracting. He deserves more time too as midterms are currently absorbing all of his time so I can agree to giving him until Saturday to post more.

As well, Panta, where is your vote going?

Probably Xastryn. Dabuz's posts between 36-49 have made me change my read on him to null (not that big of a change but he has gained some towniness in my eyes).

Spellcasters would be my preferable vote, but I am willing to give Kantrip some additional time to work out my read on him.

 

[John2k4]

Plus, the orange for some reason hurts my eyes and I don't like reading his posts so I am mainly going with gut.

That's not a reason to skim/skip his posts...just try pasting the text into Notepad or something.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Sorry about the recent inactivity. I've got a ****load of labs this week, and a midterm on Friday, so I won't have much time to post until then.

I still think Panta is the best lynch for toDay.

dabuz can go as well.

Solid is all right in my books.

John is noobtown, as is Frio.

I like Nabe.

Woooooo

Ruy, what do you think of T-block's recent reads in 649 and of T-block in general?

I'm not sure I can agree with a Panta lynch atm, there are better ones. It seems odd he would chastise OS for a fallback lynch and yet he pushed him to be the best lynch anyways.

Dabuz can go, is an odd stance. I do not agree with this.

Solid is not scum to me either.

John I can agree now to be noobtown, Frio I have not seem enough to be the same.

Nabe, your cool with me as well.

~

T-Block, has some odd plays, like pushng Panta and calling Frio noobtown, but nothing is sticking out as scum. If anything I trust him far more than OS and a lot of players in this game. I may disagree with some of his stances but nothing is making me say I should distrust him.

I like some of his larger posts, particularly his one to OS about fallback lynches, I do like a lot.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@Mod: Answer my past question, can I claim to be scum?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Panta is town and I am genuinely surprised.

 

[#HBC | J]

Nabe, what is your opinion of WK based on this interaction? It's pretty heated but I don't get your opinion on him but I know his opinion on you. I'd also like your thoughts on RR now that more has gone on with him.

I am going to go back and look at some posts that have happened recently. Kindof busy with some friends getting ready for American Horror Story premiere sooo may be a bit late.

 

[Circus]

Read all the posts?

Curse my busy work/sleep/shopping schedule. Catching up.

 

[#HBC | J]

I was about to wonder as I was reading because there has been some mention Circus. I find it funny with the way this has been going so far, when Circus is not liked he is here and posting more. When he is liked moreso than before, he disappears. So does Circus want us to dislike him if we wanna talk to him?

 

[Kantrip]

Yeah, just putting it out there that spellcasters was probably really new to forum mafia and should definitely play in a newbie game. He legitimately didn't know what to do.

 

[#HBC | J]

Number 3 should probably go sooner rather than later. The more I think about it. Nabe, why do you like this guy so much? This is just a read I am not seeing where you are getting town from nor anything that's a read officially.

@Kantrip: I'll take Raz, TB, OS.

@Raz: It's alright, I mean, I would have liked to get more info but at least I got something out of it from you and Nabe.

 

[Circus]

Yeah, just putting it out there that spellcasters was probably really new to forum mafia and should definitely play in a newbie game. He legitimately didn't know what to do.

Defending his play when no one was asking you about it is weird. Did you talk to him about the game at all?

One other thing before I go back to catch-up: People should stop giving OS town points for "working hard" in this game. It's not like he of all people would slack as scum. If anything, he enjoys manipulating people even more than he likes hunting scum, so if you're looking for timidness as a scumtell, you're probably not going to find it with him.

 

[Kantrip]

@Circus: Nope. In fact, I have no idea what he was even doing. I was mentioning all this because of Panta's #732.

I changed my mind on OS from my original read and I agree with you. In fact, I see these fancy visuals as a very easy median to control town with, and I will be very cautious when interpreting the "pro-town" content OS may be pushing.

Some basic reads with reasoning would be nice.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Ugh, so I have my multi-quote half-done on my laptop, and it turns out I won't be able to get back on that until the weekend, so don't expect it before then. Sorry

I'll be waiting.

Really, he has literally no reason at all to not name claim. He has already claimed to be an investigator, so I find it unlikely that avoiding fire is his reason.

I'm confused; do you want him to name claim or straight up claim?

Also, someone want to explain to me why John answers stupid questions like "how old are you" and "is your real name john" without incident but has avoided other questions multiple times throughout this game?

I wish I knew. John, do you have an answer for this, or are you going to dodge this question like all the other ones?

I already hit the issue with the votecount (Nabe and I unvoting), but I want to bring attention to this lack of reasoning.

Why don't you like my interactions with OS? Because I challenge him, and he likes to push my buttons? Is there a particular reaction that made you think I was scummy? If so, why?

I mean, I don't like your first post after Kantrip came in (585 that started off the interaction, so that's one thing. What that said to me was "I'm not going to taint your reading but here are two things that will taint your reading". Just saying "this isn't supposed to taint your reading" doesn't make someone ignore it, in fact it will most likely make them look for those facts even more. Pointing something like that out to someone new to the game takes away from the genuineness of their opinions when they read up and get into the game.

Also I still don't like your point about the wagons and votes. It'd be one thing if you unvoted after you said that, but the vote count in the post after you told OS to look at the votes directly contradicts your statements. Saying "these are the wagons" when they really aren't is misleading. If you're going to say anything, say "these were the wagons" or something of that nature.

I suppose this whole thing is a little nit-picky, and I don't think you're omgsuperscum, but this just stuck out to me.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Sorry about the recent inactivity. I've got a ****load of labs this week, and a midterm on Friday, so I won't have much time to post until then.

I still think Panta is the best lynch for toDay.

dabuz can go as well.

Solid is all right in my books.

John is noobtown, as is Frio.

I like Nabe.

Woooooo

In light of Panta's recent posts after re-entering the game, have your views regarding him changed at all? How about with dabuz?

 

[John2k4]

I wish I knew. John, do you have an answer for this, or are you going to dodge this question like all the other ones?

They're simple answer questions...I've been trying to answer yours in the past though. :/

 

[Kantrip]

Only solid's? Why, because he told you too in the quicktopic?

 

[John2k4]

Only solid's? Why, because he told you too in the quicktopic?

Not only his, I've honestly tried to answer the last few directed at me.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Nabe, what is your opinion of WK based on this interaction? It's pretty heated but I don't get your opinion on him but I know his opinion on you. I'd also like your thoughts on RR now that more has gone on with him.

Who is WK? That's a stupid abbreviation which in my mind only stands for Watermelon Kirby. Anyway, don't make me say "dumb or scum", it's a ****ty phrase.

As for RR, I would expect scum RR to do more, to have more of an agenda. Scum RR addresses people, while I suspect that a lazy townRR deflects.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Number 3 should probably go sooner rather than later. The more I think about it. Nabe, why do you like this guy so much? This is just a read I am not seeing where you are getting town from nor anything that's a read officially.

3 is absolutely null to me. Sort out specifically where you got the impression that it was otherwise and let me know.

 

[Kantrip]

Not only his, I've honestly tried to answer the last few directed at me.

Which? By that do you mean just the fluffy ones? I haven't seen too much in the way of content from you.

Do you think you could make a case, share a read, analyze something that stood out to you, etc? Something without being asked the question directly would be nice, please.

 

[Lore]

Nabe, I'm not even going to dignify that with a response. I'm calling you out on a valid point, yet you call me a moron who has no idea what's going on. Your attitude (and others like it) is exactly the reason why I'm slowly getting tired of forum mafia, and if I respond to it, I may say things that I will regret later.

Just be more mature next time, please.

I'm confused; do you want him to name claim or straight up claim?

Straight up claim. He's doing nothing but hiding behind the "fact" that he's an investigative role, and a straight claim would at least allow an actual pr, if we have one, to cc. His only reasoning behind this is that he doesn't want a CC to get involved, which is bull ****.

He has no reason to not straight up claim at this point since he's the guaranteed RB or kill, so his refusal to do so only points towards two possibilities: he's scum or he's faking it.

Honestly, I don't give a **** if he's faking it as a part of a gambit or something. It just adds one more layer of confusion to the game, and in a game where there has already been a fake claim, it isn't likely to work well. His investigative "claim" is only useful to him, not for town, as a "shield" of sorts that helps keep off suspicion, and I find that to be a massively questionable situation.

Besides, like I said, a claim does nothing to hurt him more right now. He has already admitted to being an investigative, and what the role actually is doesn't matter at that point; scum are gonna go after him.

So in other words, I want to either see an actual claim so that we might get a cc and find scum or confirmation that he is faking. I'm fine either way.

 

[Lore]

@Mod: Answer my past question, can I claim to be scum?

Now what the hell does this mean? o_0

Also, I don't think that there is a rule against claiming anything you wanted.

 

[Circus]

John, could you respond to Circus' big post directed at you?

Just to be clear, John, I don't think you actually did this. I assumed J was actually talking about this post. Even if that's not what he meant, it would be cool if you had something to say to any of this.

Since that post, Overswarm and others have also griped about your willingness to answer fluff questions or post fluff, but adamantly refuse to answer substantive questions or post substance. Thoughts on that? Do you think the issue is with us or you?

My thought is: If it doesn't need to be known, and I do not have enough of a reason to post it, the information requested will stay with me. Don't want it coming back to bite me in the rear later on, one way or another.

If everyone played the way you are playing town would hardly have any hope of winning. Secrets about your role PM make sense to keep, but outside of that, it is in your best interest to make your thoughts transparent, for the most part. At least in terms of who you think is mafia and why; town reads aren't always as helpful out in the open unless someone you strongly believe to be town is about to get lynched or something. Maybe a really seasoned/ambitious player will lie about reads or try for some kind of gambit to gather information, but you're doing none of that. You're just keeping your thought process and reasoning classified for the sake of being opaque. This is not pro-town. If you are town, I think you should stop playing this way. You should cooperate with the rest of us.

Or you should explain to me what the benefits you see in being so secretive about these things are. Explain how town wins by keeping their scum reads, and explanations for those scum reads, close to the chest.

Also, needless to say, that last sentence is one of the most overtly scummy things I've read from you this game. It's so scummy that it almost collapses in on itself and looks townie.

Yes I voted early on you, but I have become very confident in the vote with the points that have been thrown around, in that you were lightning fast to latch on to me, and cry scum to the entire kingdom. You seemed almost overeager to have me voted on.

Explain why this is scummy. Explain why, as scum, I would do this. Why does it make sense for me to "latch on to [you]" before you've even gotten very much public attention? You know what's easier to do, as scum? Jump on wagons that have already gotten momentum, and then just defer to everyone else's rationale for the vote (which is precisely what you've been doing).

So far, the reasoning you've given for your vote on me has been "you called me scum really soon and, you know, what everyone else said." Try harder. Incriminate me in your own words, please. My wagon is falling apart, so if I'm still your top scum suspect (which your 642 tells me I am), then you should be pushing against me rather than sitting on your hands. Your suspicion of me does not look sincere. You don't look like you care about finding scum.

Well people are labeling me as scum cause I'm inactive but I did ask for a switch out because I'm extremely busy this week with 4 midterms. After friday I will be able to actually play lulz.

That's an oversimplification of the suspicion of you, but it's possible that the other things people aren't liking about you could be remedied if you were able to give the game more attention.

Did you read the post where I asked you for your top scum pick and for you to vote for that person? Do you have a top scum pick? How up to date are you on the game?

I am relatively new, the two other Mafia games I've played were slightly different from this one, too.

In what ways were your previous mafia games different?

I'd like you to explain to me why my shift was sudden. We headbutted for a bit, and the nature of the arguments was "You're dumb." "No, I'm not.", so I decided it wasn't going to go anywhere.

Your shift looked sudden because you were on me pretty good until you apparently had an epiphany and "reconsidered" me. And then you started giving my top scum suspect more heat than you had ever given him before. I get that sometimes you just change your mind about people and then specific exchanges and relationships can look different, and that can be hard to express in thread without looking waffle-y. But what bothers me is that the catalyst of this change of mind seems to be the fact that you just didn't think you'd be able to lynch me. You continuously refer to me as a "deadend" in one way or another. "The Circus lynch isn't happening, so I guess I think he's town now and, oh, John isn't being very compliant now that you mention it...." That's how you're reading to me. It's just weird how your opinion of me and him seemed to shift all at once, and seemingly more for practical purposes than for any easily understandable reasons.

And third, I was not trying to turn you asking Ryu for a nameclaim into a "gotcha" moment. If I was, I'd have brought that up immediately in my initial attack.


Note the words "part of" and "got my eye on". There's nothing "gotcha" about that post.
Already addressed this. Your problems with him weren't things that I considered completely scummy, which is why I asked.

Okay. We can disagree about what exactly counts as a gotcha moment (not important, I was just being colorful), but my deeper point remains. You tried to hold my desire for Ryu's nameclaim against me as if I should have known that his name was more important than it normally would be. Your reasoning for this is, I assume, "scum probably knows names are important too. He might be asking this because he's scum." Flipping to the otherside of the coin, it is also possible that you only know the importance of names and races because you yourself are scum rather than a PR, and you were projecting that onto me, rather than turning to what I view to be the more logical assumption, which would be that I just didn't know his name/race being revealed could be so hazardous.

Not really the main blip on my scumdar, but this is something I'm keeping in mind, and others might as well.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

suddenly everything on hold
Vote: Werekill

Straight up claim. He's doing nothing but hiding behind the "fact" that he's an investigative role, and a straight claim would at least allow an actual pr, if we have one, to cc. His only reasoning behind this is that he doesn't want a CC to get involved, which is bull ****.

If it's the truth, I'm not expecting a CC.
If I'm town and faking, I don't want a CC since that would out the CC.
If I'm scum and faking, I want a CC.
gee I wonder how we can resolve this

He has no reason to not straight up claim at this point since he's the guaranteed RB or kill, so his refusal to do so only points towards two possibilities: he's scum or he's faking it.

durr

Honestly, I don't give a **** if he's faking it as a part of a gambit or something. It just adds one more layer of confusion to the game, and in a game where there has already been a fake claim, it isn't likely to work well. His investigative "claim" is only useful to him, not for town, as a "shield" of sorts that helps keep off suspicion, and I find that to be a massively questionable situation.

Oh man. Look at me cruising through the game, not attracting attention.

Besides, like I said, a claim does nothing to hurt him more right now. He has already admitted to being an investigative, and what the role actually is doesn't matter at that point; scum are gonna go after him.

You're right, why delay it? I'm town cop.

NOTE TO ANY COPS IN THE VICINITY!!!
Don't CC, obviously. And don't hint that you're a cop or even acknowledge that I've posted.
this sure made things less obtuse

So in other words, I want to either see an actual claim so that we might get a cc and find scum or confirmation that he is faking. I'm fine either way.

"I am scum harping on a BS point despite how it's plainly been shown that I haven't been reading and don't know my ****, and I'm doing it because I haven't been reading and don't have anything else to say."
oh okay then


You are phoning in content.

You are refusing to contribute outside of a limited repetitive scope (e.g. repeating your points rather than responding to mine, and refusing to talk about T-block).

You are hanging thinly to principles rather than reading the thread and analyzing what I've done in context, and then, if you care to, returning and forming a proper argument based on the game itself.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Solid, I'm going to be investigating you toNight, assuming you're not lynched. Are you okay with that? If so, and you are lynched, who should I target in your place?

 

[Lore]

I was hanging on to that single point because I thought that you were full of ****, and insulting me and throwing out my points as me "not reading" just made it worse.

I'm still not happy and would rather have you say that you were faking rather than keeping up this bull****, but whatever. I still don't see why you're moving on with this "herp derp I'm investigating you" **** when you've apparently made your faking soooooo obvious that would be even MORE obvious if I apparently just read. This is just bad play, if you are faking, and it's stupid to keep it up.

@Everyone else: any opinion on all this?

 

[Lore]

Also, I don't know how it's been "plainly shown" when you yourself had pretty much only said "just ****ing read" as your only true point against me. That's bull**** and you know it.

Time to read other people, but my vote is staying.

 

[Lore]

Also, I suppose you should name claim as well, but that's up to you. I din't know how much you want to "fake" it. *rolls eyes*

 

[Kantrip]

Nabe, you forgot a scenario. What if you're scum and telling the truth?

@Werekill, I don't know what to think, to be honest. I'm inclined to believe it's faking, because I don't know what motive an investigative role would have to claim unprovoked how he did. I don't want him to full claim or nameclaim or race claim because of it, though.

What do you hope to gain from a name claim?