Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Solid, Nabe, and Werekill, but I want you to answer all of my questions.
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Majoras Mask Mafia! DGames' Longest Game Ends - Who Won?!?!?!?
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#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
In the context of the conversation between Werekill and I, he's asking if I'm softclaiming and the answer is no, since I'm clearly fully claiming without any softness to it.
Did you trip and fall into my conversation, or are you deliberately inserting yourself?
As I already said, Watson is a bit of a loser. You be Sherlock and I'll be Batman.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
I'm inclined to believe you're not dumb enough to claim an investigative on Day 1, but I suppose I could be wrong.
**** this sorta-claiming ****. If you're flat out saying that you're the investigator, then it is anti-town to not say the actual role name without allowing a chance to CC. You can't use the excuse of "oh I don't want to die" because you know that you'll be rb'd automatically if scum ever think that you can investigate.
Vote: Nabe until you say the actual role name.
Dabuz
Fraud at Smash
Right now, im leaning town on solid. I haven't seen him post anything scummy, he is open to giving his commentary, making pushes (although he rarely gives commitment it seems), asks quite a bit of questions, but gets something out of those questions, and overall, like his play. The reason im not positive on him being town is because he hasn't shown large commitment and I don't feel comfortable labeling anyone as town D1, especially when others see him as more scummy, which makes me think im not seeing something in those posts.
If Xastrn flips:
Town
Circus-While his recent posts have made me much less sure on whether or not he scum, I still feel like the case on him is there, and I want to examine him if Im wrong about Xastrn
Werekill-His vote on Nabe and requesting Nabe to say his role name
Scum
OS-I haven't seen OS put pressure on Xastrn, nor even question him. OS had no problem buddying Xastrn, and it feels like they are ignoring each other except when Xastrn agrees with OS on something.
Nabe-He is curious about J's opinions of me based on the Xastrn case post, yet he himself has not commented on the Xastrn case. The closest thing to a comment was when he said
"More specifically, J, assume for the moment that I agree with dabuz' interpretation of Xastrn"
BTW, @Nabe: What do you think about J's and my case on Xastrn?
@Raziek: Same question to you, what do you of J's and my case on Xastrn?
Regarding Kantrip's post: Im seeing bad town play because it doesn't like like Kantrip went anywhere in that catchup post. I will withhold a thorough analysis of him until he makes his multi-post.
Circus-While his recent posts have made me much less sure on whether or not he scum, I still feel like the case on him is there, and I want to examine him if Im wrong about Xastrn
Werekill-His vote on Nabe and requesting Nabe to say his role name
Scum
OS-I haven't seen OS put pressure on Xastrn, nor even question him. OS had no problem buddying Xastrn, and it feels like they are ignoring each other except when Xastrn agrees with OS on something.
Nabe-He is curious about J's opinions of me based on the Xastrn case post, yet he himself has not commented on the Xastrn case. The closest thing to a comment was when he said
"More specifically, J, assume for the moment that I agree with dabuz' interpretation of Xastrn"
BTW, @Nabe: What do you think about J's and my case on Xastrn?
@Raziek: Same question to you, what do you of J's and my case on Xastrn?
Regarding Kantrip's post: Im seeing bad town play because it doesn't like like Kantrip went anywhere in that catchup post. I will withhold a thorough analysis of him until he makes his multi-post.
Dabuz
Fraud at Smash
BTW, don't have the time to comment on Xastrn's post, ill do that when i have more time
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
Oh man Raz. Oh man. Quit talking to me.
Actually, talk to me but about this instead.
If the latter is the case, doesn't that mean there's someone scummier who you would like to lynch? You've already mentioned that it's not John, at least not at the time you posted this. Aside from having another lynch fully in mind, I don't understand why Circus would cease to be a lynch for you in this case.
Actually, talk to me but about this instead.
I'm not entirely sure that this is a satisfying response to my question. I asked if you understood and your answer here is "yes" which hardly convinces me that you do.
Why did you choose the players that you did? What players would've been better than the ones you chose?
What prompted the reconsideration? And by this, do you mean that he's not as scummy to you anymore as a result of your new thinking? Or rather, do you mean that you've reconsidered where you want toDay to go?
If the latter is the case, doesn't that mean there's someone scummier who you would like to lynch? You've already mentioned that it's not John, at least not at the time you posted this. Aside from having another lynch fully in mind, I don't understand why Circus would cease to be a lynch for you in this case.
Kantrip
Kantplay
Ugh, so I have my multi-quote half-done on my laptop, and it turns out I won't be able to get back on that until the weekend, so don't expect it before then. Sorry 
@dabuz, what do you mean by it not looking like I went anywhere with my post? It's apparent you think that's indicative of bad town play, but where would you want it to go in order for you to believe it was scummy? Why is not going anywhere dumb and not scum?
@dabuz, what do you mean by it not looking like I went anywhere with my post? It's apparent you think that's indicative of bad town play, but where would you want it to go in order for you to believe it was scummy? Why is not going anywhere dumb and not scum?
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
Why would I want a counterclaim? I am very busy threatening people with my important and powerful night action, much too busy to argue with a counterclaimant.
As you've put it, I am flatout claiming an investigative role. OS has done the same, and luckily we are happily co-existing at the moment. We don't want a third person to join in -- after all, what third literary character could we associate with them? And if a third investigator exists, they should keep quiet so that we don't have all of our eggs in one basket. You dig?
Kantrip
Kantplay
Werekill, how do you know scum has a roleblocker?
Votecount 6 - [8/15] - Deadline 11th October
Raziek [0]
T-Block [0]
Overswarm [1] - RR
Xastrn [2] - J, dabuz
Solid [2] - OS, Kantrip
Panta [1] - T-Block
Red Ryu [1] - Xastrn
dabuz [1] - MOD
Nabe [1] - Werekill
Circus [2] - Frio, John2k4
Werekill [0]
John2k4 [1] - Circus
Kantrip [2] - Panta, Solid
J [0]
Frio [1] - MOD
Not Voting [2] - Nabe, Raziek
Dabuz receives a Mod-Vote for editing posts.
Raziek [0]
T-Block [0]
Overswarm [1] - RR
Xastrn [2] - J, dabuz
Solid [2] - OS, Kantrip
Panta [1] - T-Block
Red Ryu [1] - Xastrn
dabuz [1] - MOD
Nabe [1] - Werekill
Circus [2] - Frio, John2k4
Werekill [0]
John2k4 [1] - Circus
Kantrip [2] - Panta, Solid
J [0]
Frio [1] - MOD
Not Voting [2] - Nabe, Raziek
Dabuz receives a Mod-Vote for editing posts.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
It's not exactly unreasonable to assume scum might have a roleblocker with two claimed investigatives.
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
It's right here:
Your post on Xastrn consists of circumstantial evidence and, as I pointed out to J in that same post, a bit of your gut scum read.
As for J's 616, it's not any reason to lynch someone. I'm waiting for J to come back and flesh out his thoughts.
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
Werekill, make sure you answer this since you seem to have missed it the first time around.
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
hurry up and answer me raziek!!!
Kantrip
Kantplay
It may not be unreasonable, but is it really something to bet on? The probability of guessing correctly lowers the more you make assumptions.
You assume that there ARE indeed two investigatives, then you assume that scum must logically have a roleblocker to countermeasure this, etc.
Isn't it kind of strange that everyone and their dog are claiming investigative roles?
see what i did there?
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
Am I the dog or is it OS?
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Slow your roll, I had to move to Databases. (Note the time)
My point was not that there IS a scum roleblocker, but you heavily insinuated that you think Werekill is scummy for assuming such, as if he KNOWS there is.
It's not unreasonable to make that assumption if you take the claimed facts to be true.
Kantrip
Kantplay
I did not insinuate Werekill is scummy at all. In fact, I only asked him how he knew. I'm not going to jump to any conclusions.
I'm just not going to take claimed facts as true facts without reason, is all.
lol@Nabe
I'm just not going to take claimed facts as true facts without reason, is all.
lol@Nabe
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
What did you expect me to say? "Haha, you got me, I was just asking for the sake of asking?"
I chose the players I did because I wanted to see if he had any sort of contrasting opinions to the general consensus. In retrospect, this was a poor choice because I set him up for giving the easy answers and giving myself a dead end with nothing to drill him on.
I SHOULD have asked him about the quieter players, so that I had something to work with in the event he changes opinions drastically later on, in which case he'd have to support the change, rather than getting away with "Well I've always thought that, nobody asked me."
As already mentioned, it looked like a dead end to me. Circus response read more as frustration than panic. I tasted a little salt from MMX. Yes, I reconsidered after examining the initial tells and contrasting with his recent behavior.
He hasn't ceased to be a lynch, per se, but I'd be hesitant to vote him over one of the fallback lynches.
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
@Raz: What Kantrip is referring to is that Werekill's wording implies knowledge of a roleblocker ("you'll be roleblocked" implying knowledge of the scumteam).
In reality, Kantrip, Werekill likely means that if scum has a roleblocker, they would roleblock a claimed investigative role. That sort of shorthand is generally accepted / treated as null, and I'd personally assume he meant this rather than the first. Players generally don't make small scumslips like that, and you'd be hard-pressed to argue that it was.
He could probably be more careful with his wording, mind you.
In reality, Kantrip, Werekill likely means that if scum has a roleblocker, they would roleblock a claimed investigative role. That sort of shorthand is generally accepted / treated as null, and I'd personally assume he meant this rather than the first. Players generally don't make small scumslips like that, and you'd be hard-pressed to argue that it was.
He could probably be more careful with his wording, mind you.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Speaking in assumptions is common.
Let's turn this around. How do YOU think Werekill would know if there was a scum roleblocker? Is there something that would spur you to ask him, rather than assuming it was an assumption?
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
I'm well aware of what he meant, Nabe.
Kantrip
Kantplay
There could have been mod-confirmed information I overlooked, or perhaps it was a scumslip. Maybe Werekill would have simply answered "I'm assuming they do if town has 2 investigative roles". There's also the possibility of some role that could know or find out about scum roles.
I was more asking just to see what the answer was, either way. On the very small chance that it was a scumslip, you can't just let it go unnoticed. That doesn't mean I thought it was one.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
We'd just be devolving into meta and WIFOM at this point, so I'll leave that as it is.
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
Of course not. I was hoping for some elaboration on your understanding of what I meant, since elaboration shows me that you do understand while saying "yes" just shows me that you know it's a yes or no question. In the same way I might expect you to show work when doing math, yeah? Or in the way I'd ask a child to explain why they're sorry instead of just saying sorry (not that I'm looking for an apology).
It troubles me that your response quoted above focuses on the aspect of me being right or wrong, rather than on understanding where I'm coming from, since I think my inclination here towards the latter was clear and distinct. That your mind goes there seems indicative of a scum mindset.
Anyway, instead of commenting on your understanding of the original point, tell me if you understand my above point.
Alright, I'm satisfied with this.
But surely you don't mean to tell me that he looked like a dead end while you were voting him. I understand your result after reconsideration, but that's not what I've asked.
What I'm asking is, again, what prompted you to reconsider? Did a post prompt you to rethink, for example a post where he expressed the salt? Or did it just occur to you that a reexamination was in order?
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
Mm, but naturally I assumed you weren't aware. Reason being, if you were aware, then it looked as if you were confronting him on what you knew to be a misunderstanding on his part. In other words, confronting him for the sake of confronting him.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
I don't see how that could be the case. Could you elaborate?
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Simple. If I challenged him on it and he decided to stick to his guns and claim it was scummy, that would be a reaction I wouldn't expect from a Townie.
He backed off, which is what I expected.
I could also have just let it go and let Werekill answer, I suppose, but he's not around, and it might not be at all relevant later.
He backed off, which is what I expected.
I could also have just let it go and let Werekill answer, I suppose, but he's not around, and it might not be at all relevant later.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Err, stick to his guns is a bad choice of words, since he didn't claim it was scummy. Rather, if he DECIDED to claim it was scummy, that would surprise me.
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
But if you knew that he thought that Werekill had foreknowledge of a scum RB, why would it be suspicious to you that he decided to pursue it as a scum tell, since to Kantrip that might've been indicative of Werekill being scum? And instead if he backed off, which he did, shouldn't it suggest that he's not pursuing what could potentially be a scumslip from his perspective? You've at least got your reactions reversed, though if anything I would call the entirety of it null.
More generally as well, if you expected him to back off, i.e. to give the response that you thought was the townie response, then I'm not sure why you would think to check his reactions at all.
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
Panta: Switch your settings in User CP to 40 posts per page.
Oh, OS did it too? FoS: OS, same deal as Nabe.
Until you flat out say what role you are, you are being anti-town, simple as that. As it is now, all we have is your word and nothing else. What if you're faking being the cop, and the real cop could cc and get a scum lynch? Or a tracker? Or etc?
Or better: if scum fake counter claims, we obviously have a townie on one side and a scum on the other. That's still pretty much a free lynch if we have a mislynch left (which we obviously do).
As it stands now, Town overall is not gaining anything by your claim. The only person getting any benefits is YOU; you now have an easy shield of "lol guys I'm the investigator, don't lynch plsssss" if any suspicion on you gets close to a lynch, and you can easily be lying. I can see almost no benefit to town from you not role claiming.
Besides, why do you not want to claim? You've already set yourself up for a roleblocker or night kill, so claiming role will only help find scum. I'm not liking your anti-town attitude, and my vote is staying.
On another note, I have to lol at the roleblocker suspicion. When most games traditionally have one, it's common sense to expect a RB.
And yes, you could be faking it, but I hope you aren't stupid enough to do that when someone else has done it in the same freaking Day.
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
Stop talking.
Well, are you going to reply or not? Telling me to shut up when I'm calling you out just makes you look worse.
And I don't care about T-Block while I'm focusing on you.
And I don't care about T-Block while I'm focusing on you.
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
I'm really not liking how intent Werekill is on getting a role out of Nabe. I fail to see how it helps town if Nabe were to claim.
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
And there will be more from me in the near future, I promise.