Republican0fHeaven
Smash Ace
Do any of you guys make practical use out of the sing insta-ledge grab from onstage?
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Massive
Smash Champion
I don't know how practical it can be considered when you can already turn around midair anyway. If you mistime it even slightly you'll do that stupid jump-hop and fall to your death while the other guy gets the ledge. Sort of a high risk, medium reward.
That being said I have ruined a sheik's ledge-stall with it before, that may have just been a fluke though.
I mostly use sing-ledgegrab for omnidirectional ledgegrab after fair chains and keeping from being dtilt/dsmash ledge-guarded by marth/spacies.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I think I'm very very good vs Puff.
Given that I ***** every Puff I played at APEX with the exception of HBox, who I took a set from anyway.
Didn't play Darc though so maybe he'd have trounced me.
WHO KNOWS.
STYLISTIC DIFFERENCES AND SH*T.
Given that I ***** every Puff I played at APEX with the exception of HBox, who I took a set from anyway.
Didn't play Darc though so maybe he'd have trounced me.
WHO KNOWS.
STYLISTIC DIFFERENCES AND SH*T.
Krynxe
I can't pronounce it either
I haven't found much use in the sing ledgegrab whatsoever to be honest. I do rarely use the sing regrab though because the sing hitbox does hit people by the ledge, but it's generally not effective and very punishable.
Tekk
Smash Lord
Yeah you're definetly the best sheik vs puff.
I'll beat you when we play tho.
S0FT
Smash Ace
Soo this is basically the only match recorded of me at the tournament.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAr_Rn0MVO0
It is teams and it does start of kinda slow but its pretty cool xD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAr_Rn0MVO0
It is teams and it does start of kinda slow but its pretty cool xD
Mahone
Smash Champion
that javi guy seems pretty overrated, i bet he'll get ***** by m2k
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Mahone
Smash Champion
Playing you was really fun KK, i hope we get to play in the future
Tekk
Smash Lord
Republican0fHeaven
Smash Ace
Yeah I have been trying to incorporate it into my game, but I still sd fairly often with it. It's just by far the fastest way to take ledge from the stage, especially after a dash attack or fair that puts you right in front of the ledge.
I just always had trouble wavedashing backwards to a fast fall to edge hog with puff. (because her wd is short and I often miss the ledge with the fast fall)
I was curious whether any of you guys ever use it.
I just always had trouble wavedashing backwards to a fast fall to edge hog with puff. (because her wd is short and I often miss the ledge with the fast fall)
I was curious whether any of you guys ever use it.
Mahone
Smash Champion
I had some theories on edgeguard on the mario bros that involved using it, but i could only do it like 33% of the time after practicing for like 3 days so i just said **** it lol...
but ya mario bros think they can just **** face with their upb... and they're right, because the hitbox is ********, so if you like backthrow at low percent they will just immediately upb sweetspot since its no risk cuz ur so slow...
OR SO THEY WOULD THINK! then you just ledgecancel **** them
Krynxe
I can't pronounce it either
Wouldn't a regular regrab be just as quick without the risk?
Mahone
Smash Champion
Whats a regular regrab?
Anyway it doesnt matter cuz i never got to really test it out
Anyway it doesnt matter cuz i never got to really test it out
Krynxe
I can't pronounce it either
A regular ledge regrab. Like drop down and hop back to regrab the ledge.
I thought you were talking about regrabbing the ledge using sing, so I'm just saying like it should take the same amount of time without the sing.
I thought you were talking about regrabbing the ledge using sing, so I'm just saying like it should take the same amount of time without the sing.
Anand
Smash Journeyman
Haha, well, you only played one Puff that made bracket, right? (So you're probably just a much better player than the other Puffs you played, which means it isn't really evidence that you're especially good at the matchup.)
I agree that beating Hungrybox (in a set) is very impressive and probably means you're very good vs Puff, though; I just meant I didn't even see the point of mentioning the other Puffs (no disrespect to them, of course).
Sing ledgegrabs are very fast (video). I don't think Mahone mentioned regrabbing the ledge; I think he just meant from the stage.
-Darc-
Heir to the Monado
Yo **** you
Anand
Smash Journeyman
Darc, you weren't included in "the other Puffs" (KK said he didn't play you). I mean, it's pretty true that KK is significantly better than the Puffs that didn't make bracket, right? (Those are the Puffs I was talking about, if you re-read my post more carefully.)
Krynxe
I can't pronounce it either
Yo I saw that darc guy using a move that wasn't bair
He's not a puff players, he's an imposter
He's not a puff players, he's an imposter
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
-Darc-
Heir to the Monado
Krynxe
I can't pronounce it either
Republican0fHeaven
Smash Ace
Yes! I have to try it against the mario bros! I totally didnt consider them. Thanks a million!
Right now the only use I've gotten out of it is after I back throw a falco that (almost) always immediately phantasms to the ledge (no jumping). It's kinda hard to get to them with bair or fair in time. Fsmash misses if they sweet spot. Dair or dsmash might work but they're wonky and dsmash doesn't come out right away. So I think Im gonna keep rockin the insta-sing ledge grab BUT DEF THANKS for the thought with mario bros!!! =]
idea
Smash Master
other options:
- jump off, nair while jumping back onstage (facing away from stage)
- ftilt
- dtilt
- hard read it and grab the edge lol
dsmash has exactly 2 frames of usable (non-tiny) hitbox...if you can hit that timing consistently then go for it, but yeah, that's hard.
- jump off, nair while jumping back onstage (facing away from stage)
- ftilt
- dtilt
- hard read it and grab the edge lol
dsmash has exactly 2 frames of usable (non-tiny) hitbox...if you can hit that timing consistently then go for it, but yeah, that's hard.
Republican0fHeaven
Smash Ace
Yeah basically what I do is immediately go for the hard read insta-sing ledge grab but if I see them jump, I'll stop and reconsider. But I don't think I have enough time to take the ledge without the insta-sing.
And its close timing with being able to get there with the nair (and scary with falco's phantasm).
Ftilt and Dtilt work for sure
And its close timing with being able to get there with the nair (and scary with falco's phantasm).
Ftilt and Dtilt work for sure
Massive
Smash Champion
Krynxe
I can't pronounce it either
I used to neglect puff's dash attack until like a month ago
It's so amazing
It's so amazing
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Nair > dash attack is sooooo good (over 70, obviously).
Krynxe
I can't pronounce it either
Yep. I love dash attacking people and catching them in the air without a jump. Sends them off the stage for a super easy stock.
Republican0fHeaven
Smash Ace
Dash attack is def a high risk, high reward move in most instances. It can be punished so hard by characters that can usmash oos (peach, sheik, pikachu, fox).... anyone with a good usmash. But its a good killing move and 2nd jump stealer. Overall I'd say it is something to use only in certain situations and never when your opponent is grounded (unless you can read a roll or tech chase).
As for its use in the below situation (Mario bros upB or Falco's phantasm), it is not as useful. The falco I fight always sweetspots, and the Mario bros upB may out prioritize your dash attack if you don't time it right, and otherwise it trades....
As for its use in the below situation (Mario bros upB or Falco's phantasm), it is not as useful. The falco I fight always sweetspots, and the Mario bros upB may out prioritize your dash attack if you don't time it right, and otherwise it trades....
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Peach will never usmash OoS. Ever. EVER.
Krynxe
I can't pronounce it either
Yeah, definitely use it for DI chases or ledgeguards for maximum efficiency. It's also nice to get under people sometimes. Dash attack at shields is always stupid.
And yeah peach usmash oos seems like a myth to me.
And yeah peach usmash oos seems like a myth to me.
boomrested
Smash Journeyman
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So I'm going to this tournament on Saturday, and will hopefully get some stuff recorded and then hopefully critiqued by you guys? I've improved a lot since my last video from like 2 months ago, and hopefully the new videos will show it. While on that topic, is there a need for/should I make a Critique my Jigglypuff video thread? Idk if there's already one out there that hasn't been used in forever, but just a thought.
Krynxe
I can't pronounce it either
Nah, there's so few active puffs on this board it isn't really necessary. Just post videos either in here or the social thread. 
idea
Smash Master
LOL riddlebox and i discovered that like two weeks ago. I dash attacked his shield and he upsmashed oos and it actually hit, and we were both like "wtf"...so we tested it and it worked every time.
but yeah, pretty stupid to put yourself in that position in the first place.
i'm probably going all falco at our next local. i get so bored of puff sometimes, mostly 'cause of her low speed and how susceptible she is to camping.
but yeah, pretty stupid to put yourself in that position in the first place.
i'm probably going all falco at our next local. i get so bored of puff sometimes, mostly 'cause of her low speed and how susceptible she is to camping.
Krynxe
I can't pronounce it either
Yeah, a lot of people dropped puff as their main for that reason. I still find her very fun to play, despite that playstyle.
On the same token, I can't even sort of play Falco. My Fox is alright, but my Falco is as free as a bird now. (triple pun.
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On the same token, I can't even sort of play Falco. My Fox is alright, but my Falco is as free as a bird now. (triple pun.
)
Republican0fHeaven
Smash Ace
That's what I thought until Riddlebox did it to me for a KO, I guess Jigg's dashattack hurtbox stretches into the strong part of peach's usmash hitbox. This happened to me against Idea and Riddlebox in teams a few weeks ago as Idea said below...
It legit works. Its even a pretty good, if not the best option against jiggs' dash attack.
Yeah I can imagine her usmash oos working against Jiggs' pound as well. KK usmashes oos with sheik whenever he catches Jiggs in a pound (he told me at /Hope). So it is a pretty baller way to punish dash attack on shield for any character with a strong usmash. Peach's other options include a grab which she can't combo out of, and nair which isn't as strong as usmash (especially if it lands with the strong part of the usmash hitbox)
MORAL OF THE STORY: don't dash attack if you think they have any chance of getting their shield up in time. Only use it when you know 100% that it will hit or trade (such as when they're airborne). Even reading a techchase or roll is risky with the potential of hitting their shield. Also, it doesn't cover falco's overB sweetspot and only sometimes works with Mario Bros' UpB.
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Whaaaa? I'm thinking about this in my head, and I can only imagine Peach getting the sourest spot of her upsmash on you. It doesn't getting the strong hits f her opponent is grounded (most of the time, anyways). I will take your word, but that sounds really weird. Riddlebox must be a really weird Peach; I don't think any Peach main would consider upsmashing OoS. It's so risky...
EDIT: A bad pound on shield is a different story....
EDIT: A bad pound on shield is a different story....
Republican0fHeaven
Smash Ace
Her torso/head is the sweet spot.... The tiny hit boxes to either side of her dress are the sourest ones that Im sure you speak of. When Jigglypuff dash attacks your shield I assume she is basically overlapping your character when the usmash oos comes out. This puts Jiggs right in between the two sourest spots. If she hits those sour spots they'll knock her up into the torso sweet spot. Or maybe Jiggs' head just reaches the torso one anyway.
Just talkin theory here.
Just talkin theory here.
