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Magic: The Gathering and Commander (EDH)

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Intro decks can be alright, especially since they upped the card count to 60 + a pack, but they usually have a bunch of cheap stuff that can be bought at half the price or less as singles. If you're going for one, though, check Ertai's Lament for reviews of all the pre-cons, including intro packs and event decks.
 

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Smallpox
Mulch
Chandra
Garruk
Lilianna

Planeswalkers seem good with all the creatures battling each other right now. They synergize well with Smallpox since smallpox basically slows down the game. Mulch puts stuff in grave like smallpox. Both cards want you running 26 lands which means you can play a third color. Deck still needs a wincon. I'm thinking:

Reassembling Skeleton
Grim Lavamancer
Sword of Feast and Famine
Dismember

Since I'm already running a lot of fluff/combo/durdle with Smallpox/Mulch, I want the rest of the deck to impact the game on it's own. I don't want the wincon to be anything cute like Parallel Lives.
 

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You say you don't want anything cute but then you put in Reassembling Skeleton? :/ I guess it's not cutesy in the context of your deck but still, why not Simulacrum or Viridian Emissary?

Skeleton is really the only iffy part of the deck, everything else looks solid. I would say that Devil's Play could work well in the deck depending on how much red you want to run. If you're running red you should probably also try and fit in Inferno Titan, he's just too good to pass up most of the time. Entomber Exarch also seems like an obvious choice.

And if you ever change your mind about being gimmicky, there's always Vengeful Pharaoh.
 

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well I want something to synergize with all the discard outlets I'm running. I've considered Pharoah and might use him instead, but I don't want my CC too high, because again, Smallpox. I expect to be discarding lands a lot.
 

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I wasn't talking about actually playing Pharaoh, just using him as something for you to keep discarding to Liliana every turn (or nearly every turn).
 

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I built something similar.

[collapse="G/B"]Creatures
2x Perilous Myr
4x Viridian Emissary
3x Glissa, the Traitor
3x Phyrexian Obliterator
1x Phyrexian Metamorph
1x Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
2x Wurmcoil Engine

Artifacts
1x Nihil Spellbomb
1x Mortarpod
1x Mimic Vat
2x Ratchet Bomb

Sorceries
4x Mulch
4x Smallpox
3x Unburial Rites

Instants
2x Doom Blade
1x Beast Within

Lands
1x Plains
7x Swamp
10x Forest
4x Woodland Cemetery
3x Isolated Chapel[/collapse]
[collapse="B/w"]Creatures
4x Phyrexian Obliterator
2x Vengeful Pharaoh
1x Wurmcoil Engine
1x Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite

Artifacts
4x Sphere of the Suns
2x Ratchet Bomb

Planeswalkers
4x Liliana of the Veil

Instants/Sorceries
4x Smallpox
2x Tezzeret's Gambit
2x Victim of Night
2x Consume Spirit
2x Black Sun's Zenith
1x Go for the Throat
3x Unburial Rites

Lands
4x Isolated Chapel
22x Swamp[/collapse]
 

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I used to use Agrus Kos (red white) but then when I realized my deck is heading more towards tokens I changed to Rith the Awakener. Adding Green, boy that was great. Then since it was tokens I wanted Essence of the wilds. No one wanted it so it was easy to get. I also happened to have a Genesis Chamber. Should of seen my face when I learned it is an infinite combo.
Essence of the wilds is a 6/6 for 6 and the ability is 'creatures you control enter the battlefield as a copy of essence of the wild' and genesis chamber is 2 for a artifact that reads 'Whenever a non-token creature enters the battlefield that creatures controller gets a 1/1 myr token'
Since they come in as a copy and not a token copy I just get all of the 6/6's. You can't stop it either without destroying genesis chamber. Because with each token being another essence of the wilds they all have the same ability. so i'm just like gg guys. I think we can call it a draw. (if you can't stop it the game is a draw if you can then even better game guys)
 

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Genesis Chamber only triggers on nontoken creatures. I'm pretty sure that Myr tokens that copy Essence of the Wild are still considered tokens and wouldn't trigger Genesis Chamber because of it. I don't know for sure though, so it would be something to investigate.

Sounds like a fun deck though. Have you considered Parallel Lives or Epic Struggle?
 

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Holy crap. Even minus the combo, I want to build a ramp Essence deck with token makers.

I went to my first event ever last friday! It was Legacy, and I had a blast. I'll copy and paste my summary when I get to an actual computer.
 

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I forgot about this thread ^ _ ^

Looking forward to the Pre-Release.

Also I got all the cards for this EDH deck

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=4438803

This deck is sooooooo much fun. When I play EDH, I play for fun, not competitive like some people at my card shop. That deck is a blast and I recommend it :D

Also for those who play in tournaments, what do you think of the Planeswalker points system

Also also, anyone going to any GP's or Star City Games tournaments?
 

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I didn't know people played EDH competitively...then again I guess you can play any format competitively. I do remember playing 6 person Emperor with my friends and a few of us took it pretty seriously.

The token comes into play as a copy of the Essence, but it is still indeed a token.
Thought so. So it's not an infinte but it's still a fun way to get big dudes out. You usually don't need more than 4 Essence anyway.
 

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Of course, if you go to any major tournament, they have competitive EDH for prizes as a side event. They are very fun ^ _ ^
 

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Here's the legacy post I promised!
It was a small card shop, so we only had 11 people (Myself, a friend who piloted an elf deck, and a new to the game friend who borrowed my burn deck made up 3 slots), but it was fun. There were 3ish serious (ie people who went to Grand Prixs) legacy players there, so I didn't have too much of a chance to begin with, so I'm proud of my placing.

I was running Mono Blue Polymorph (I'll post the list later if anyone's interest). I'm missing a few pieces (Lotus Petal, a second Emrakul [but I borrowed a second one for this, hooray!), that tempest land that taps for 2 for 2 life, and Mishra's factory), but it ran well for the most part. Compared to my typical games, I had some trouble getting pieces or my card drawers(Brainstorm, preordain, etc) during games for some reason, so I'm gonna make sure I didn't lend cards from it to other decks, lol.

Still, I had a blast with my matches. My first round was against the store owner, and she was running Slivers. She won first, I swept up second, then we had one of my favorite matches ever game 3. I got Emrakul out twice and still lost, haha. It was down to the wire throughout.

Still, great stuff. My 2 friends and I were the only non-college or older adult people there, but we still had a blast. Another highlight was my friend's elves versus a Spike deck; he conceded the first match since he saw it would be a draw, and they never finished the second. The problem? My friend couldn't attack due to a card the other guy had, and he was constantly gaining 26 life per turn, with the number steadily increasing. He would have won off a Helix Pinnacle, but time ran out and he played it on his 5th turn afterwards. :(

Top 4:
Ad Nauseam Tendrils (a good one, not the janky all zero costed stuff build)
Dredge
Uh forgot this one, brb
White weenie (A good one. I won 2-1 against him, but his deck was definitely fun to play against, and he was a cool dude in general)
 

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Legacy Dredge is so lulzy. Play Breakthrough win game. At least Vintage Dredge has the disadvantage of being locked out of mana when it gets Bazaar going. And even good ANT decks still have ~25 0 mana cards - Breaking LED in response to Ill-Gotten Gains, Infernal Tutor, Ad Nauseum, or Yawgmoth's Will Past in Flames is just too good to pass up. ANT versus Dredge finals are a clear indicator that nobody in your area owns/can afford Tarmogoyfs though. :)

Helix Pinnacle? So your friend wasn't playing Glimpse of Nature Elves but rather Old School ElfBall? Okay, I can kinda respect that.

What was the WW guy playing? Was it aggressive or more like White Stax? What did he search for with Stoneforge Mystic?

Lotus Petals are kind of cheap, I'm surprised you didn't find any. Ancient Tomb and Mishra's Factory I could understand more though, but you could have replaced Factory with any blue or colorless manland really. You don't need a second Emrakul, you can do fine with Emrakul plus something else that wins the game by being on the board (Blightsteel, Iona, Sphinx of the Steel Wind, Terastodon, Inkwell Leviathan, Akroma, Spirit of the Night, etc.).

What is your draw package for your deck? Just the standard Brainstorm/Ponder/Preordain? If so, are you running all 12 (or at least 10)? If yes to all of those, you must've just been getting crap draws that whole day.

So you got Emrakul out twice and still lost? The power of Slivers.
 

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Sorry for the late reply, haha.

Legacy Dredge is so lulzy. Play Breakthrough win game. At least Vintage Dredge has the disadvantage of being locked out of mana when it gets Bazaar going. And even good ANT decks still have ~25 0 mana cards - Breaking LED in response to Ill-Gotten Gains, Infernal Tutor, Ad Nauseum, or Yawgmoth's Will Past in Flames is just too good to pass up. ANT versus Dredge finals are a clear indicator that nobody in your area owns/can afford Tarmogoyfs though. :)

Ha, yeah, Dredge is funny.

However, I think the lack of Goyfs was just due to the fact that no one there (other than my friend) was running much green. Since most of the top 4 was comprised of dual land owners, I don't think cost was an issue.

Helix Pinnacle? So your friend wasn't playing Glimpse of Nature Elves but rather Old School ElfBall? Okay, I can kinda respect that.
Ha, yeah, he was. He has an infinite p/t combo with Archruid/that other elf with similar mana effect + an untapping equipment that pump, but other than, it's old school elf ball.

What was the WW guy playing? Was it aggressive or more like White Stax? What did he search for with Stoneforge Mystic?
He had been playing for a long time and was mostly on hiatus, so he surprisingly didn't run Stoneforge. He had a pretty complete and aggressive deck, though.

Lotus Petals are kind of cheap, I'm surprised you didn't find any. Ancient Tomb and Mishra's Factory I could understand more though, but you could have replaced Factory with any blue or colorless manland really. You don't need a second Emrakul, you can do fine with Emrakul plus something else that wins the game by being on the board (Blightsteel, Iona, Sphinx of the Steel Wind, Terastodon, Inkwell Leviathan, Akroma, Spirit of the Night, etc.).
Yeah, they are, but they just didn't have any in store. As for the second Emrakul, he just comes in handy when something exiles the other one and/or I simply get unlucky and draw one of them without a brainstorm or see beyond to put it back in.

What is your draw package for your deck? Just the standard Brainstorm/Ponder/Preordain? If so, are you running all 12 (or at least 10)? If yes to all of those, you must've just been getting crap draws that whole day.
I'm running all 12 of those plus 2 see beyonds, so yeah, I had crap draws, haha. It wasn't because of shuffling either; I did my typical 4-5 riffles then two or three pile shuffles.

So you got Emrakul out twice and still lost? The power of Slivers.
Lol, yeah. It was an amazing match. She really just got kinda lucky with getting out the sliver that let's other slivers sac themselves to destroy creatures. I don't run him in my personal Slivers, though. because I'm in Bant colors.

Anyway, I went to the launch for DKA! I did ok for my first limited event (sealed), and I pulled a Mikaeus (lunarch), Vorapede, and a Past in Flames! I also got a box for DKA, but I didn't pull too much good stuff (IE no Sorin). I got plenty of stuff to make me happy, though.
 

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I finally got around to getting judge tested. Did so at a local PTQ with a Lv2. Somehow scored a 100% on the thing. Yay me :)
 

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As for the second Emrakul, he just comes in handy when something exiles the other one and/or I simply get unlucky and draw one of them without a brainstorm or see beyond to put it back in.
But how would Emrakul get exiled in the first place if he's pro-colors?

I'm running all 12 of those plus 2 see beyonds, so yeah, I had crap draws, haha. It wasn't because of shuffling either; I did my typical 4-5 riffles then two or three pile shuffles.
That is strange. You running fetchlands too?

I don't run him in my personal Slivers, though. because I'm in Bant colors.
I'm still getting used to all these color allegiances from Alar block...Bant is WUB right?

Anyway, I went to the launch for DKA! I did ok for my first limited event (sealed), and I pulled a Mikaeus (lunarch), Vorapede, and a Past in Flames! I also got a box for DKA, but I didn't pull too much good stuff (IE no Sorin). I got plenty of stuff to make me happy, though.
Cool man.

Speaking of Mike, I really want to see a casual deck built around Zombie Apocalypse+Carrion Feeder+Black Mike (Mikaeus the Unhallowed or whatever). You could use the new one-drop zombies to build pressure, Zombie Apocalypse to get tokens in play and dudes in the graveyard, Gempalm Incinerator and Twisted Abomination to get cards and lands, and of course Black Mike+Carrion Feeder+Apocalypse for the late game kill. It seems all fun and good but the only problem with it is that Patriarch's Bidding and Living End are just better lol. Zombie decks are very fun though.

I finally got around to getting judge tested. Did so at a local PTQ with a Lv2. Somehow scored a 100% on the thing. Yay me :)
Good **** Zac.
 

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But how would Emrakul get exiled in the first place if he's pro-colors?
He has protection from SPELLS, not abilities on the field. Besides normal abilities from creatures, he can get O-ring'd or Journey to Nowhere'd. He can also be blocked or whatnot if the annihilator 6 doesn't wipe out their flyers.

That is strange. You running fetchlands too?
No, not at all. It's mono blue, and the monetary cost of fetchlands is far too much for the small thinning ability that they create.

Really though, I think I just had an unlucky day, haha. I still pulled off the combo several times, but it just wasn't as many times as normal.

I'm still getting used to all these color allegiances from Alar block...Bant is WUB right?
Close. It's GWU.

Cool man.

Speaking of Mike, I really want to see a casual deck built around Zombie Apocalypse+Carrion Feeder+Black Mike (Mikaeus the Unhallowed or whatever). You could use the new one-drop zombies to build pressure, Zombie Apocalypse to get tokens in play and dudes in the graveyard, Gempalm Incinerator and Twisted Abomination to get cards and lands, and of course Black Mike+Carrion Feeder+Apocalypse for the late game kill. It seems all fun and good but the only problem with it is that Patriarch's Bidding and Living End are just better lol. Zombie decks are very fun though.
Sounds fun. Zombie decks are pretty fun to play.
 

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I finally got around to getting judge tested. Did so at a local PTQ with a Lv2. Somehow scored a 100% on the thing. Yay me :)
Nice, I did the practice test for the judge program and missed one really simple question. I would like to start judging, but I feel that I am not ready to start. Just the fear in the back of mind that I would screw up horribly is there >_>
 

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He has protection from SPELLS, not abilities on the field. Besides normal abilities from creatures, he can get O-ring'd or Journey to Nowhere'd. He can also be blocked or whatnot if the annihilator 6 doesn't wipe out their flyers.
Oh, I see. I never fully understood the rulings on that. I can see how a ton of Sliver tokens could be irritating then.

No, not at all. It's mono blue, and the monetary cost of fetchlands is far too much for the small thinning ability that they create.
It's really not even about the thinning ability, it's about being able to use fetchlands in combination with Brainstorm to get rid of cards you don't need. If you don't have a shuffle effect and you play Brainstorm, the two cards you put back (which in theory will be your least useful cards at that point) will stay on top of your library and you'll have to draw them over the next turn or two. But if you have a shuffle effect like a fetchland, you can make it so that you have only a very small chance of drawing one of those cards again the next turn, meaning that you're more likely to draw something useful. Aside from color fixing, this is the most important role fetchlands have in eternal formats.

Ponder and Preordain can do this too (so can See Beyond...kind of), but those cost mana and are sorcery speed. Also, you don't technically need a fetchland, any instand speed shuffle effect will do - Evolving Wilds, Terramorphic Expanse, Mystical Tutor (which you should honestly be running anyway), Wayfarer's Bauble, Intuition, etc.

Still, you could have just had a bad day.

Close. It's GWU.
I figured it had white and blue. Those are the most talked about colors at high level play. That also seems like the best color configuration for Slivers if you don't want to just go for 5-color.
 

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Oh, I see. I never fully understood the rulings on that. I can see how a ton of Sliver tokens could be irritating then.
Yeah. It was mostly the one that says "All Slivers have 3: Sac this Sliver to destroy target permanent" or something like that. It didn't like my Emrakul, haha.

It's really not even about the thinning ability, it's about being able to use fetchlands in combination with Brainstorm to get rid of cards you don't need. If you don't have a shuffle effect and you play Brainstorm, the two cards you put back (which in theory will be your least useful cards at that point) will stay on top of your library and you'll have to draw them over the next turn or two. But if you have a shuffle effect like a fetchland, you can make it so that you have only a very small chance of drawing one of those cards again the next turn, meaning that you're more likely to draw something useful. Aside from color fixing, this is the most important role fetchlands have in eternal formats.

Ponder and Preordain can do this too (so can See Beyond...kind of), but those cost mana and are sorcery speed. Also, you don't technically need a fetchland, any instand speed shuffle effect will do - Evolving Wilds, Terramorphic Expanse, Mystical Tutor (which you should honestly be running anyway), Wayfarer's Bauble, Intuition, etc.

Still, you could have just had a bad day.
Ah, that's actually rather cool. I never thought about it like that. I would use the lands, but I lack funds. Same goes for mystical tutor, but it's banned in Legacy, lol.

But yeah, it was just a bad day. It happens.

I figured it had white and blue. Those are the most talked about colors at high level play. That also seems like the best color configuration for Slivers if you don't want to just go for 5-color.
Yeah, haha, it definitely is. I don't plan on going five color, so it's a good color combo.

I ended up getting top 8 out of 528 people =O

My first top 8 at a super big tourney, pretty excited.
Awesome! Who are you on that? :D
 

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I ended up getting top 8 out of 528 people =O

My first top 8 at a super big tourney, pretty excited.
GOOD **** ZAC! I really like your deck too. Did you ever actually side in/get to cast Zombie Apocalypse?

And nice hoodie!

Ah, that's actually rather cool. I never thought about it like that. I would use the lands, but I lack funds. Same goes for mystical tutor, but it's banned in Legacy, lol.
I forgot Mystical was banned, my bad. I have trouble remembering the Legacy banned list because it's not my forte. I can't tell you how many times I've looked at a Spiral Tide list and thought "Why doesn't this run Mind's Desire? ...oh yeah...".

As for lands, you could use Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse. I haven't checked the prices on them, but they're commons that have been in like 5 sets each, so I doubt they're that expensive. Obviously they're not as good as the real fetchlands but they still work fine for what you're trying to accomplish.

Also, have you tested Progenitus in your deck? It seems like it would solve the problem of your big dude potentially getting killed while on the table.
 

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GOOD **** ZAC! I really like your deck too. Did you ever actually side in/get to cast Zombie Apocalypse?

And nice hoodie!
I sided in apocalypse once against humans (which is actually a really hard matchup), never got to cast it though. Only have five lands out before destiny killed me.

Yeah I love this hoodie.
 

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More often than not I took out the Captains, usually replacing one with the cemetery reaper. I tended to take out 1 mortarpod as well. sometimes i leave a captain in sometimes i didn't. be careful of Wreck with Madness on Obliterator.
 

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Good job dude! You got that Invitation status :D

I plan on hitting up a couple SCG's. I wanted to go to Indy this weekend but had to work ;_;
 

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I sided in apocalypse once against humans (which is actually a really hard matchup), never got to cast it though. Only have five lands out before destiny killed me.
Hmm, I guess there's not much else you could do to really hose Humans, but with your manabase I just can't see you realistically casting it. Maybe Curse of Death's Hold? That way you'd nail the small humans and the tokens provided they don't have boosting enchantments.

What this format needs is Engineered Plague...

More often than not I took out the Captains, usually replacing one with the cemetery reaper. I tended to take out 1 mortarpod as well. sometimes i leave a captain in sometimes i didn't.
Have you considered a maindeck Reaper or two?
 

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Yeah after the tourney i think it's reasonable to maindeck 1 reaper and 2 captains. captains shine a bit better in the zombie mirror, but i hate casting one for 3 and my opponent copying it for 2. the player in the zombie mirror with more gravecrawlers/captains/unanswered-obliterators usually wins.

Apocalypse is hard to cast, but you should be able to survive long enough with so much removal post board.
 

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What this format needs is Engineered Plague...
That would be sexy ^ _ ^

Also I play Mono red in the format. How do you feel the matchup is against Zombies. I have never played it (Because everyone around here is more focused on R/G aggro and B/U control)

Also are you going to go to an invitational and if so which one?
 

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Mono Red doesn't seem like it would be too good against Zombies since zombies will usually take 2 spells to kill, meaning that you have to exhaust your resources trying to kill everything they have instead of putting pressure on them. An early Shrine can partly remedy this though, but generally I'd guess that zombies still has a slight advantage. And as Zac said before, Wrack with Madness is pretty much the only way to deal with Obliterator (unless you run Dismember, I guess), though I'm sure a smart Zombies player would just side those out against you. Oh, and Liliana's pretty annoying too, so you should be sure to kill her when you get the chance.

Still, the matchup against Zombies would probably be much easier for you than against Illusions or Tokens.
 
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