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[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Gheb, if you're claiming that your scum read on Nick proves you have an excellent scumdar, you're sadly mistaken.

Nick wasn't scum. He was a pseudo-town vig with a strange win condition. You read his playstyle as scum when in reality he wasn't, nor was he inclined to be playing like scum. To concede that you had a correct indy read would be a stretch. You had a poor read on a mostly town player and happened to be right in hindsight. Congratulations.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

Marshy and everyone else, is there a reason you felt like putting Jungle past L/2? Most of you on the wagon are experienced players. Don't you think it's a bit worrisome to have Jungle at L-4 when there are alot of less experienced players/wildcards in this game? Those people may think it's funny or ok to keep going on the Jungle bandwagon.

doubt 4 players are going to votepile scumfever like this. it'd be nice if scum gave themselves away like that though

don't see a point in arguing over policy lynching someone. down for gheb lynch

 

[DtJ Jungle]

I always have been and always will be down for a gheb lynch

 

[Ronike]

Alright, i'm done messing around. Unvote: Nix

Gheb, shut up. You're really so good at this game to be saying your scumtells are always good and that town should listen to you. In TS, your main scum tell was essentially a glorified use of Occam's Razor where it shouldn't have even been used. You just happened to be right in hindsight. So stop being arrogant before I feel the need to cut the grass. And as they say, the tallest blade of grass is the first to go.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I'm not glorifying anything or pretent to have an "excellent scumdar". I was merely showing how Kev's/FF's reasons to wagon me are ******** by showing counter examples. Stop putting words in my mouth.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Yeah you're right, i'd much rather just straight up lynch Gheb. What do my bros thing?

I don't like his playstyle, it always turns out scummy to me and it muddles my scum reads.

I don't think this is really fair. I mean, I know where you are coming from. Lynching off those who could make for a difficult endgame due to their playstyle/experience can be seen as a pro-town gesture. And I agree with it to an extent, I just don't think it's fair to Gheb. He basically is coming in to play a game only to get lynched d1 because people don't approve of the way he plays. This is just going to turn off newer people from mafia if they think they're gonna get lynched just because they suck.

Anyways, don't think Kevin is scummy for this proposition because he does it all the time. But I think we should take a look at the people who are willing to bandwagon Gheb because of this, Frozenflame, Nix, and Cacti specifically. FOS: you 3. Being for such a policy lynch of this sort can be an easy way for scum to guarantee a d1 mislynch. Also, Cacti, and Nix don't even know what Kevin is referring to about Gheb's playstyle because as far as I know, they haven't played in any games with him. [Cept Cacti in Simpsons, but he was lynched d1 so I don't think he would have had time to figure out whether he didn't like Gheb's playstyle or not.]

 

[Ronike]

Kevin - you hammeeered me >_< My scumtells are ALWAYS accurate btw don't even try to discredit me or policy lynch me. Big mistake

no ones putting words in your mouth

even without that, you've been claiming a ton that your scumtells are accurate by pointing out the last game where you caught a scum using poor logic and tunnelvision and mostly luck.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

That was obviously a joke -_-

 

[DtJ Jungle]

His second point still stands.

 

[Cacti]

I said I was fine with a Gheb lynch because his response seemed kind of... Odd. Maybe defensive is the word.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Don't think Ronike's game really applies here. All we get from that is Gheb is cocky about his suspicions. Seems unnecessary to have an argument about Gheb's mafia skills right now.

I said I was fine with a Gheb lynch because his response seemed kind of... Odd. Maybe defensive is the word.

You don't think a townie would be defensive in Gheb's situation?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

What? He basically said "I was only lucky". It's not an argument. I could say that everytime somebody manages to point out a scumbag. What's the point of it? Discrediting other players for being right? I'm not even trying to ride on it but apparently ronike wants to draw as much attention on it as he can so I mention it. Keep saying my "scumtells are always wrong" but it's not true. That's all I'm saying

w/e if you guys just want to piss me off for the fuck of it, go ahead and do it. Why do you even make DG a place that's available for everybody if you're just pissing off people because you're convinced to be something better? Make it a private place where Kevin, Frozen and Ronike can live in their little fantasy worlds. Or man up and live with the fact that people are different and don't always say things they like to hear.

Unvote Vote: Gheb

 

[McFox]

For the record, I'm against any and all uses of the phrase "policy lynch" when it refers to players. The whole idea is just ********.

meow

 

[Cacti]

Macman, I'm just saying he had a rather defensive reaction off two people saying they were fine with lynching him.

I'm down for any wagon as long a someone gets lynched, the sooner this day ends the sooner we can really start!

I found this post to be odd. Nix, why would you want the day to end quickly? Every mislynch is valuable, why would you just mindlessly wagon on someone just to end the day?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

So you are saying that having a defensive reaction is scummy?

 

[McFox]

Nix, D1, believe it or not, is actually part of the game too! Did you know it's even possible to lynch scum on D1? Sure, it doesn't happen all the time, but look at Ronike's game that just ended. They lynched the mafia recruiter on D1.

Wanting to end the day as early as possible is a terrible idea. The longer D1 lasts, the longer everyone has a chance to talk, and the more stuff we started D2 with (along with night actions that have taken place N1). Sure, night actions can be helpful, but most often the way you find scum is by what they say and, as frozen pointed out recently, why they say it. This can happen on any day. Wanting to quick-lynch on D1 what will statistically probably be a townie is bad for town.

meow

 

[DtJ Jungle]

woof?

and yes, RVS does help with this. By how people vote in RVS and what they say about their vote can say alot about htat person and their role.

 

[Cacti]

Macman, what I'm saying that he had a very defensive reaction for two people saying they were okay with lynching him. This was what I found odd.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

I actually count 5.

Frozen, Marshy, you, me and Ronike.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Cacti, I want to know if you think that is scummy or not.

 

[McFox]

And what were the reasons people posted that they were okay with lynching him on D1?

Oh that's right, sometimes he thinks he's right, and other people can't figure him out as easily as they can people who have been playing here for longer.

Those are BS reasons. If anyone (including you, Cacti) had posted any kind of real reason to lynch Gheb and he reacted really defensively, you might have a point Cacti. But the fact of the matter is that you don't, nor does anyone else. Here were the reasons for voting Gheb before you did:

Yeah you're right, i'd much rather just straight up lynch Gheb. What do my bros thing?

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I don't like his playstyle, it always turns out scummy to me and it muddles my scum reads.

Truth. Nothing against Gheb or anything, he knows his ****, but his scumdar always seems to be off and the way he tends to push for people either forces mistells or just plain makes him looks scummy.

I'd be down for a Gheb wagon.

Neither of those things have anything to do with this game. In Ronike's game that just ended, several people commented that karthik had really stepped up his game, and performed better than people remember him playing before. How was he able to do this? Simple! He wasn't policy-lynched at the beginning of games that he's played. Due to this, he was able to actually play the game, which in turn lead to him getting better at the game. I know, I was shocked too.

I'm not even saying that I do trust Gheb at this point. My point is that anyone who's going to policy-lynch a player D1 isn't working with town.

meow

 

[XACE-K]

I'm down for any wagon as long a someone gets lynched, the sooner this day ends the sooner we can really start!

FoS: Nix

Even though mafia games usually start with a RVS, you still have to discuss how people post, if there are scum-tells, and what not.

 

[Cacti]

Yes, I find him kind of scummy because of his reaction.

 

[Nix2100]

Yes, a lot of stuff could be figured out and a scum could get lynched correctly. But most of you seem to be taking stuff from previous games that occurred, and seeing as I haven't played with most of you before =P Kinda leaves me with nothing except reading what happens Day 1 and figure out where to go from there. *Shrug* Will I bandwagon anyone? Most likely for Day 1 just so I can better analyze what happens.

 

[McFox]

Vote: Cacti

meow

 

[karthik_king]

And what were the reasons people posted that they were okay with lynching him on D1?

Oh that's right, sometimes he thinks he's right, and other people can't figure him out as easily as they can people who have been playing here for longer.

Those are BS reasons. If anyone (including you, Cacti) had posted any kind of real reason to lynch Gheb and he reacted really defensively, you might have a point Cacti. But the fact of the matter is that you don't, nor does anyone else. Here were the reasons for voting Gheb before you did:





Neither of those things have anything to do with this game. In Ronike's game that just ended, several people commented that karthik had really stepped up his game, and performed better than people remember him playing before. How was he able to do this? Simple! He wasn't policy-lynched at the beginning of games that he's played. Due to this, he was able to actually play the game, which in turn lead to him getting better at the game. I know, I was shocked too.

I'm not even saying that I do trust Gheb at this point. My point is that anyone who's going to policy-lynch a player D1 isn't working with town.

meow

Just saying I died N1.....

 

[Omis]

Why don't you attempt to make it more productive than instead of sitting back and doing nothing?

Doing so.

ebwop: something to discuss. why does everyone bandwagon me all the time

What is an ebwop?

A) I forgot
B) I still don't completely understand the point of it
C) Occam's Razor w/ a grain of salt > WIFOM. Usually.

Whom is Occam and what is his razor?

I don't like his playstyle, it always turns out scummy to me and it muddles my scum reads.

This is extremely self centered, scummy, and downright wrong. It is horrible selfish to policy lynch someone two days into the game just because they mess up your scumdar? Guess what? You arent that important and I find you using your perceived status to try to get away with badly thought out lynches like this egregious and downright scummy.

I'm down for any wagon as long a someone gets lynched, the sooner this day ends the sooner we can really start!

This too is very scummy. Seems like a dumb scum trying to piggyback off a soon to be ending RVS to try to vote on people without seeming suspicious. When Nix is under scrutiny for this, if he is, later on, I can definitely see him saying it was a simple joke which is flawed logic. Nix is setting himself up for a no guilt no scum tell way to try to end the day quicker with little info gained. Well Im not falling for it. This is scummy and wrong.

Me likes a Gheb lynch.

Scummy and wrong. Post reasons.

That was obviously a joke -_-

Horrid logic. It might be a personal pet peeve but never say something was obviously a joke as if it would be impossible to notice otherwise.

For the record, I'm against any and all uses of the phrase "policy lynch" when it refers to players. The whole idea is just ********.

meow

This is the true issue with this Gheb wagon. Policy lynches are hurtful and do not advance the game. Lynch them later when they make mistakes IN THIS GAME! Dont kill their chances because of mistakes in other games. Let those mistakes repeat them feel free to lynch him. Until then I dont see any purpose in this bandwagon.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

ebwop = edit by way of post.

 

[McFox]

Just saying I died N1.....

I hadn't actually kept up with the game, just read the comments at the end. My point still stands though.

meow

 

[Cacti]

No one is voting Gheb...

Omis, i have stated reasons for being ok with voting Gheb.

 

[KevinM]

unvote
Vote Gheb

Rofl at saying I only push mislynches when I spearheaded both lynches to win the game in Ronike's.

You're a terrible arrogant player who has a terrible scumdar.

You also don't play the game correctly, being a big poster doesn't mean you automatically command more respect.

I've earned my respect here, you don't go around telling people they suck on your second full game here.

Step down kid.

 

[KevinM]

Anyways yeah I'm going with my usual stronger D2 team, I'd like to see how tomorrow winds up and if we're going to start a game this massive I think we have at least one mislynch we can work with.

 

[KevinM]

And sorry if I'm coming off as a little mean but to come into a game where you're just insulting people instead of doing anything is a little ridiculous, you could have chosen a lot of different ways to prove you deserve to make it to D2 instead of going YOU GUYS SUCK I R RIGHT.

 

[Omis]

No one is voting Gheb...

Omis, i have stated reasons for being ok with voting Gheb.

It still stands that randomly saying things without reason is an easy scum technique as it allows tell-less votes and whatnot.

I want a simple yes or no from you: Is defending yourself scummy? Because if I was thrown up as a policy I would be pretty pissed too.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

No one is voting Gheb...

Omis, i have stated reasons for being ok with voting Gheb.

I don't see how it matters that you aren't voting Gheb. If anything that makes it worse because you aren't willing to stand behind your suspicions.

Your reasons being, he got defensive because people were considering lynching him because of his playstyle, and that makes him scummy.

ok

vote: cacti

Yes, a lot of stuff could be figured out and a scum could get lynched correctly. But most of you seem to be taking stuff from previous games that occurred, and seeing as I haven't played with most of you before =P Kinda leaves me with nothing except reading what happens Day 1 and figure out where to go from there. *Shrug* Will I bandwagon anyone? Most likely for Day 1 just so I can better analyze what happens.

Not getting what you are trying to say in this post. Do you agree with Cacti about Gheb? You said "most of [us] are taking stuff from previous games that occured" and since you haven't been in those games you have nothing to go on. Is this your reason for being willing to BW Gheb/anyone?

@Kevin, you did throw up the idea of policy lynching him for his playstyle first. You should be able to see how that could piss someone off. His reaction doesn't seem scummy to me. So I don't really understand your vote, unless you are going to stick to the 'better team for tomorrow' stance. Even then, you could atleast not give off the impression that you want to hurry up and lynch Gheb to get the day over with. Randomly lynching with minimal discussion just results in another D1 on D2.

Forgot Jungle when I was making my other post. Jungle where do you stand on this? Still down for the Gheb lynch?

 

[CT Chia]

can someone explain to me exactly what policy lynch means?

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Nix's responses are awful. Wanting to end D1 too fast. Jumping on any bandwagon. The only reason I almost don't wanna vote is because he's acting so obvious scum. Almost makes me wanna think Jester.

Vote: Nix

As for other candidate, I'm not liking Cacti

 

[McFox]

Policy-lynching means that they're willing to lynch a player just because they don't like the way he plays, regardless of whether or not they actually think he's in the mafia.

meow

 

[KevinM]

Yeah but I didn't vote him then, I'm voting him based off of his reaction.

As I often do.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

That's not what policy lynching is. Policy lynching is when you lynch someone because they did something that is commonly looked down upon. Like say some random town goes by the motto of lynch all liars, and a VT fakeclaimed a PR and was found out, then town would push a policy lynch on him because he lied about his role.

 

[Rockin]

With 18 players, it takes 10 votes to lynch

Marshy (1) - Macman

Gheb (3) - Xace, Gheb, KevinM

Junglefever (4) - Marshy, Nix, KK, FF

Mentos (1) - Junglefever

Ronike (1) - Iggy

Nix (2) - Ronike, Chibo

Cacti (1) - Mcfox


Those who haven't voted : Omis, Menounderwater, Dekuu, Mentos, Cacti

Deadline for votes is on Nov 14, 2009