Mafia Tournament Sleepover! Game Over! SK wins the game! (ITS LEGIT THIS TIME! LOL)

[deepseadiva]

1. Stop using the word policy lynch. You don't have any idea what it means, it's apparent.

2. The paragraph starting with "It was smart to kill Gheb" is word vomit. You didn't say a single thing in it.

I'm using the term by the definition we're lynching someone besides suspicion of mafia.

And I do make a point - apparently not a clear one though.

wtf are the chances of all the bros being mafia? Very, Very low.

I don't think every single one of the bros is mafia.

I do think it's a little less than likely that at least one of them is. I'd be comfortable lynching one of them, even with the possibility that it has nothing to do with the bros and they're being framed. Which might be Dekuu, Omis, or Chibo.

I'm not saying we spin a wheel and kill a bro, but I do like a possible 1/5 chance of hitting scum.

Rereading though, the "bros" are Marshy, Kevin, KK, Ronike, and Frozenflame. I wasn't sure before since I didn't pay much attention when all of this was being defined - and especially since sometime Jungle is included.

 

[Ronike]

This bro conversation is pointless. Neither Chibo nor Tom were bros, therefore we shouldn't lynch bros.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

that's a yes right?

unvote tom vote chibo

 

[DtJ Jungle]

we're voting chibo?

okay

unvote whoeverthehell vote Chibo

 

[Ronike]

i knew youd come around

tom want in on this awesomeness? Maybe I won't hop on Marshy's wagon if you do...

 

[BunBun]

What's with the Chibo wagon?

 

[Omis]

He hammered before Cacti could claim.

Meno what are you trying to say about me?

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Was Cacti even willing to claim? It seemed to me that by the time he was at L-1 he had basically given up on the game and that was our reason for wagoning him like that. Maybe I'm mistaken, but if that was the case, the grounds for a Chibo wagon seem a but shakey.

I'm down for a Tom wagon. Gettign him to come out and play would be nice.

And Meno's chart is awesome guys. I'll give him that, though I agree with KevMo that his initial response to the pressure put forth on him was pretty much word vomit. Didn't really give me bad vibes though.

So is the plan Chibo wagon to Tom wagon Wombo combo?

 

[deepseadiva]

I just found the following post to be a bit too distancing.

Dont forget to include FF in that list. But ya Im seeing what you are saying there. However this could be a WIFOM trap set by the mafia. Regardless, if you havent pegged some of them Im going to say that the mafia has a rather fair bit of experience to kill Gheb.

 

[Omis]

Im not sure if Cacti completely gave up but I think that it was wrong of Chibo to hammer with the I think five days we had left to discuss.

 

[Ronike]

^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Morrigan]

Yes, it might have been wrong, but does that really account for a vote? Are you voting him just because of a "mistake"? Or do you think he didn't want to wait for a claim 'cause he's scum? Wouldn't that be way too obvious?

 

[Ronike]

Circular logic. Go read newb 3.

 

[Morrigan]

Yeah I know, you're right. Disregard.

My first 2 questions still stand though.

 

[Ronike]

Yes, no

 

[CT Chia]

if you agree to wagon tom after

so whats the point with a wagon if your just going to go wagon someone else afterwards. it accomplishes nothing.

voting for the sake of voting means nothing. voting is to lynch people. without a good base to actually lynch someone, there is no need for multiple people to place votes on someone. Pressure would also generally be only helpful on someone who is either incredibly inactive or someone who flat out doesn't help imo.

He hammered before Cacti could claim.

Meno what are you trying to say about me?

This is just sad that you're willing to use this as grounds to lynch/vote me.

\/\/\/ Uses the same reasoning

Vote: Chibo

Honestly, why hasn't anyone else done this yet? He hammered 4 days before the deadline and before Cacti could claim.

Actually I just noticed Omis didn't even vote me yet. Then please explain why are you continuing a reason to support my lynch/suspicion, and not vote me yourself? Are you afraid to be "one of those guys on the Chibo wagon" if it were to come up as a scummy move to do so later on?


Since either some people are blind or maybe they like dead inactives unwilling to claim sit around, here is my hammer post to refresh your memory:
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8821027&postcount=435

Ug... I'm not really paying attention to this game. I still think that KK is scum, and I think that the case against me so far is that I have no defense and my bandwagoning was scummy. I was just trying to pressure kk into posting something.

I hate this.

Tell me if I needs to claims.

I still think that KK is scum and needs to die.

No, of course you shouldn't claim considering it's your second time at L-1 and many people have purposely waited for you to claim. Missed your chance man.

Vote Cacti

Hammered.
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It was the third time Cacti was at L-1, and he didn't claim the first two times. The first L-1 he was only at it for about an hour, so he could have missed it. The second time he was at L-1 for about 31 hours, and even posted during that time wondering if he should claim, but still didn't despite people saying he should claim.

Taking all of that into consideration, coupled with how slow the game was moving there was no reason not to hammer him. What would waiting to the deadline have done? You don't always have to wait until then. In those 4 or 5 days there is no way a full new case would have developed on someone (in Day 1 mind you) and garner enough votes in that time.

 

[Morrigan]

How informative...
you think it's a WIFOM move by Chibo?
Any scum could use the current situation for his or her convenience, so wanting to lynch Chibo so bad because of it doesn't sound right.

 

[Morrigan]

Okay, the above post was directed at Ronike. I'll read Chibo's now.

 

[Ronike]

Ugh, thats not what WIFOM is dekuu. He did it because he could do it and get away with it. Use Occam's Razor.

Sometime within the 4-5 days cacti could have claimed. Or he may have made a defense. its hard to tell, because you hammered him before those days were up.

You hammer on a lynch when everyone is sure the person is scum, no other conversations are going on, and/or the deadline has been reached. None of those conditions were met, so I am more than happy to policy lynch you to make a point.

 

[CT Chia]

1. I fail to see how that can be labeled as Occam's Razor. Explain furhter.

2. Why are you just bringing this up now? He was hammered 6 days before you brought this up. Even without counting the night phase, there was plenty of more time for you to bring this up when it first happened (or when D2 started I mean). No one else brought it up, why did you feel the need to multiple days later? We're you waiting for someone else to hopefully bring it up, then you follow them? It goes back to one of my last points, if it turned out to be a bad move, it seems like you didn't want the blame on you for starting this wagon but were forced to eventually bring it up yourself when no one else did.

FoS: Ronike, Omis

I don't like how Omis has posted multiple times this day so far (even including the 3rd post of the day!) without mentioning my hammer at all one bit, then all of a sudden bringing it up after Ronike does, pretty much agreeing with him, but not voting me.

This bro conversation is pointless. Neither Chibo nor Tom were bros, therefore we shouldn't lynch bros.

This is a horrible post. The reasons why should be obvious to everyone.

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Where is Tom? It's been practically 4 days (92 hours to be precise) since he last posted. He posted once this day with a post that had no substance or input. He's even gotten a vote since then and hasn't talked about it at all.

FoS: Tom

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Unvote (Incase I'm still voting KevinM, I forget)

Would someone mind telling me exactly who is in this "bro" group? I think I've got it down but just to make sure.

 

[KevinM]

Why are we still concentrating on the bro group like its some kind of overarching factor haha.

Seriously scum hunt or we lose.

Unvote
Vote Chibo

Hammering reason is legit.

 

[BunBun]

Bros: KK, Marshy, Frozen, Kev.


Ronike: If Cacti wanted to make a defense or claim, he had ample time to do it the second time he was put at l-1. It sucks he got lynched, but he had had virtually no activity up to that point, so the likelihood of him coming up with a reasonable defense was extremely small.

 

[KevinM]

But still a possibility why hammer with so much time left in the Day.

 

[CT Chia]

Kevin - so my reasoning was legit, yet you vote me?

 

[CT Chia]

Nvm, you think that lynching me for the hammer was a legit point.

For anyone hopping on this idea all of a sudden, why now because Ronike brought it up? Why did none of you mention this before, you know - like when it happened...

And I am scumhunting Kevin, you don't have to say like scumhunt or we lose in such a dire situation like were at Lylo or something. If you're trying to get on peoples cases for not scumhunting, there's plenty of other better people to target who are doing far less work.

 

[Ronike]

I brought it up as soon as I had time to actually concentrate on this game. It's not like I could have done it earlier really.

The bros thing prolly shouldn't be focused on too mucH, and I jusT felt like bringing it up in a humOrous Manner.

Don't read too much into the caps, the shift button on my phone is just in a bad spot.

It doesn't matter how small the chance is that cacti would have defended himself, what matters is that chance was taken away by chibo

 

[BunBun]

I was going to comment on the caps lol. It says "HTOM", which is like Hunt Tom xD

 

[Ronike]

You missed the capitol I... But shhh... You'll ruin the fun for good ole "looks at everything carefully, including caps" Tom.

 

[CT Chia]

It doesn't matter how small the chance is that cacti would have defended himself, what matters is that chance was taken away by chibo

Cacti took away the chance when he left himself at L-1 for 31 hours (and even posted during that time and didn't defend himself) and when he still did nothing when he was at L-1 for the 3rd time.

 

[Morrigan]

"But we had 4 days left yadda yadda". Seriously, this conversation will never end.
Besides the obvious current situation I think we should also focus on other stuff, like Marshy's extremely low-profile throughout the entire game

 

[Rockin]

With 15 people, It takes 8 to lynch

Bunbun (1) - Mcfox

Meno (1) - KK

Chibo (4) - Ronike, Marshy, Jf, KevinM

Those not voting: Mentos, Chibo, Tom, Nix, Junglefever, Dekuu, Meno, Bunbun,Frozenflame, Omis

Deadline is Dec 5, 2009

Tom had been prodded

 

[CT Chia]

There's still a lot of people in this game. Let's make a list of who has posted less than 3 times this day so far. It's too easy for people to fly under the radar in a large game.

 

[Omis]

Im not voting you because I dont actually find you to be scum. Sure what you did was stupid and uncalled for but I think it was just a mistake. I dont think it was bad enough to warrant a vote. If youve seen my playstyle I rarely vote until I **** sure who I want to be lynched.
And I brought it up because someone asked about it and it seemed to be the topic of the moment. Right now Im more interested in Bros (FF, Marshy, Kevin

 

[#HBC | marshy]

So is the plan Chibo wagon to Tom wagon Wombo combo?

yes

couldnt disagree more chibo

the point of wagoning you was to get an explanation out of you for the hammah and to let everyone know that i thought it was scummy business. i decide whether or not you can die afterwards

voting doesn't have to be for lynching. it can be used to build wagons. turn up the heat on someone, see what happens, observe and compare what's different when the heat wasn't there

Where is Tom? It's been practically 4 days (92 hours to be precise) since he last posted. He posted once this day with a post that had no substance or input. He's even gotten a vote since then and hasn't talked about it at all.

FoS: Tom

this is why we wagon him soon

i hadn't mentioned my beefing with your hammah because i wanted a tom wagon when i actually read the flavor including his replacing because i had forgotten iggy was even in the game

 

[karthik_king]

By order of Broshi

Unvote Vote:Tom

Please respond tom.

 

[Nix2100]

You know...I find it slightly odd that Chibo was one of the people that wanted to lynch me because I wanted day 1 to end as quick as possible, but when it came to a hammer 4 days before deadline, he chose to end it early, when apparently 4 days could of been enough time to gather more information from what people post.

As for Tom...I am kinda interested to hear his thoughts....and hopes he didn't forget about us =(

 

[mentosman8]

I'd say it seems apparent Tom is pretty busy, between BWM and this game hasn't posted much.

As for the Chibo situation currently ongoing, I do agree the hammer was way early, but at the same time I'm not sure it was an inherently scum maneuver, and not just a mistake from not looking at the whole picture when he did it.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Can we just lynch Karthik on the grounds hes unhelpful.

 

[deepseadiva]

Can we just lynch Karthik on the grounds hes unhelpful.

Gee, that's a new thought.

 

[Morrigan]

You know...I find it slightly odd that Chibo was one of the people that wanted to lynch me because I wanted day 1 to end as quick as possible, but when it came to a hammer 4 days before deadline, he chose to end it early, when apparently 4 days could of been enough time to gather more information from what people post.

Only difference is that you wanted Day to end, what, three or four days after the game started?