Mafia Tournament Sleepover! Game Over! SK wins the game! (ITS LEGIT THIS TIME! LOL)

[Nix2100]

That's something else I never understood about this forum....your "conventional" methods of scumhunting...it's amusing since most of the players here know your conventional methods of scumhunting so wouldn't any smart scum be able to avoid your methods?

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Just because you have a somewhat formulaic method of scum hunting doesn't mean it's predictable by all scum.

 

[Nix2100]

you just claimed your method of scumhunting was conventional, which means most people here who play regularly know about it, so if they aren't able to predict it by now, I guess they aren't very smart then?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

Regardless, if you havent pegged some of them Im going to say that the mafia has a rather fair bit of experience to kill Gheb.

?

rockin kevin is voting nix

if a vig hit gheb take care of scumtosman next

vote tom

 

[McFox]

I've been meaning to ask a question.

meow

Clearly, the flavor is implying that Macman is not dead, just "missing." What kind of role would that normally be attributed to? This is me assuming that it was Macman subject to something nefarious and not something he did himself. If this is leading down a bad path of discussion just ignore me, I'm just wondering if it's something we should be concerned about, since I've never encountered it before.

 

[mentosman8]

My guess, McFox, would be mafia janitor. If you don't know, it's a role where only the janitor can see the role/alignment/character of their kill, generally one-shot use. I haven't seen its ability used on a forum game(only other time I saw it was FF in HP maf when he died N1 and was lynched D2), but at least on EM it's denoted as "X is missing" instead of has died.

 

[KevinM]

Seems like a reasonable deduction

Seems like you aren't doing **** and are just nudging.

Just to make myself clear and so people don't put words in my mouth, in no way have I ever said I wanted all PR's to claim, nor did I say i wanted cop to claim regardless of his report. I said that if a PR caught someone going to the dead body, or if a cop has a guilty, then yes, they should claim. If you guys don't agree with me then thats fine, but if the PR dies and we get nothing from him, then my first post for the day will "I told you so".

Cool story bro, keep doing nothing.

Nix, it's extremely early for any PR's to claim, regardless of if they got a guilty or not. If they got a guilty, good, they should push that lynch with argument and gathering tells, not by claiming. Your posts about the claim sound more of an epicmafia style than forum, here at least it's generally best for PR's to push lynches on their guilties with argument, not try to force it with the claim.

This

And if they can't get a valid argument, then what? The way i've seen people play on this forum it seems like if you don't have a valid argument you look more scum then town and end up getting lynched.

Not actually saying anything

That's something else I never understood about this forum....your "conventional" methods of scumhunting...it's amusing since most of the players here know your conventional methods of scumhunting so wouldn't any smart scum be able to avoid your methods?

Still not saying anything.

I've been meaning to ask a question.

meow

Clearly, the flavor is implying that Macman is not dead, just "missing." What kind of role would that normally be attributed to? This is me assuming that it was Macman subject to something nefarious and not something he did himself. If this is leading down a bad path of discussion just ignore me, I'm just wondering if it's something we should be concerned about, since I've never encountered it before.

Either Janitor
or
Disguiser.

Going to go with Janitor.

 

[deepseadiva]

FoS the Bros (KevinM, Scumfever, KK).

Dropped the Gheb wagon, joined the Cacti wagon. They night-killed Gheb and we lynched Cacti (stupid decision on our part, after all -_-).

Lol, I have no idea who the "Bros" are.

Dont forget to include FF in that list. But ya Im seeing what you are saying there. However this could be a WIFOM trap set by the mafia. Regardless, if you havent pegged some of them Im going to say that the mafia has a rather fair bit of experience to kill Gheb.

I believe this to be true.

My new chart. :D

I made everyone's votes into little kite-shaped things and added info behind killed players... who should be crossed out. Pretend there are Xs on Gheb and Cacti.

 

[karthik_king]

Either Janitor
or
Disguiser.

Going to go with Janitor.

Nah Janitor would probobably have him saying he was killed and then for alignment (???). It could be a PR in HP mafia I had a role which allowed me to disappear. And in dinomafia someone could disappear for a day I believe.

 

[KevinM]

Thats not how alignment works.

Also

FOS Menos

You haven't done jack**** besides post your chart literally since the beginning of the game.

 

[mentosman8]

KK, generally the janitor makes it show up as missing, the point being that the janitor cleans up the body prior to anyone noticing so no one knows that they're dead(in flavor terms that is). Essentially, the "is missing" quote usually means a janitor has used their role.

 

[mentosman8]

On a side not responding to the ninja by Kevin, I definitely thought that said Mentos at first and was confusedXD

 

[KevinM]

Why don't you respond to the ninja and weigh in on **** instead of just talking about game mechanics. Since you haven't done that yet.

 

[Nix2100]

Why don't you take your own advice Kevin? All I am seeing from you is posts about people not saying anything which...aren't you doing the same thing?

 

[KevinM]

I've voted for you and stated my reasons for voting for you.

I have nothing to weigh in on because you just debated epic mafia vs forum mafia power role handling for a page.

Then Menos again posted his no one gives a **** about chart.

And mentos promised a post later as per the usual.

No one else is scum hunting.

No one else is doing anything.

 

[CT Chia]

is there any other way the whole missing thing can happen besides the janitor?

if it is the work of a janitor, does anyone know exactly how it works? mafiascum is pretty vague on it. they are anti town and cover up the kill, so do they kill as well (meaning mafia gets 2 kills each night), or they can choose to cover up the one kill the mafia did. in that case that would mean there are 2 nightkillers out there, one being mafia and the other being SK or something

 

[Nix2100]

It's a possibility of either SK or a town Vig shooting Gheb, its slightly hard to say at this point, unless of course there are other roles that can make a person "disappear".....I suppose one solution is to see what happens at night role again, if it is a SK then there will most likely be 2 more kills, or if its a town vig then hopefully only 1 kill....assuming the town vig doesn't shoot anyone else.....and assuming there isn't any other roles out there that can make someone vanish.

 

[KevinM]

If the vig has more then one shot I'd rather him keep shooting.

 

[Nix2100]

With 15 people still....I actually sort of agree with that, however it increases the chance of hitting another PR which can be a bad thing as well but I suppose that there is a better chance of hitting scum then a town PR

 

[Rockin]

With 15 people, It takes 8 to lynch

Nix (1) - KevinM

Tom (1) - Marshy

Those not voting: Mentos, Chibo, Tom, Nix, Junglefever, Dekuu, Meno, Bunbun, KK, Frozenflame, Ronike, Mcfox, Omis

Deadline is Dec 5, 2009

 

[CT Chia]

Let's get this rolling, I'm following Dekuu's suspicion on the bros

Vote: KevinM

 

[McFox]

In a game with this many players, I don't really have a problem with what the bros did D1.

meow

How I Vote: Bunbun since he has yet to post today?

 

[DtJ Jungle]

has omis posted today either?

 

[mentosman8]

Meno, I don't get your chart at all, and would much prefer if you could turn around and start posting content instead of posting pictures of a chart that doesn't help us find scum at all. For right now Vote: Meno

 

[Omis]

Yes I have. I believe I was the third post of the day. In fact seven posts above you menos quoted me.

 

[Omis]

And by seven I meant fifteen, I too agree that menos should post what he thinks instead of posting pics of his weird chart thing,

 

[deepseadiva]

K, first off.

FOS Menos

...menos quoted me.

Fail.

You haven't done jack**** besides post your chart literally since the beginning of the game.

This is also... somewhat untrue. I did push to have KK as our policy lynch - and in hindsight I'm hoping you'll understand how I'd still prefer policy lynching due to dumb posts rather than few posts.

It was smart to kill Gheb. It puts the bros in a fun situation. Maybe they killed him, maybe they're being framed, maybe we'd think they're being framed - but they actually killed him. What would be the outcome of lynching a bro and him coming up scum?

That might be productive. Who exactly... are the bros?

Also, my chart is amazing. Fact.

 

[Omis]

Reread find your opinion on them. I doubt any of them would love to put a target on their backs by saying "Oh hai gaiz Im who you think killed Gheb"

 

[karthik_king]

K, first off.





Fail.



This is also... somewhat untrue. I did push to have KK as our policy lynch - and in hindsight I'm hoping you'll understand how I'd still prefer policy lynching due to dumb posts rather than few posts.

It was smart to kill Gheb. It puts the bros in a fun situation. Maybe they killed him, maybe they're being framed, maybe we'd think they're being framed - but they actually killed him. What would be the outcome of lynching a bro and him coming up scum?

That might be productive. Who exactly... are the bros?

Also, my chart is amazing. Fact.

Bros=Me, Broshy, Kevbro FrozenBro

And that lynch attempt was pointless in every sense of the word.

Furthermore, I think you know very well who the bros are, in asking to lynch them. Seeing as you said mafia is most likely experienced. All the bros(besides me) are extremely experienced in SWFmafia. Couple that with the fact that you are trying to get one of the bros lynched I see this as more than coincedential.

Vote:Meno

 

[DtJ Jungle]

wait
so youre case is this

Bros are experienced at mafia. Meno wants bros lynched. This cannot be a coincidence.

how the HELL does this warrant a vote or even make any sense at all.

 

[BunBun]

I think the possibility of all the bros being mafia is ridiculously small, and so basing scumpininos solely off of their bromosexuality probably won't get us very far.
I like some of Dekuu's opinion, but I think it can be broken down further into there being one, maybe two scum in the bros that are using the bro mentality to their advantage. However, with the quick point out he made of it, I am somewhat inclined to believe that it could be a pretty solid misdirect. If this were the case, I think it would point to a possibility of Dekuu + KK, as KK is a mentioned bro that didn't have a problem with being called out by Dekuu.

Also, I have a small gut feel towards Nix for his slight push of wanting a claim, and then furthering it with his "I told you so" remark, which is another attempt to goad the power role people into claiming.

 

[KevinM]

K, first off.





Fail.



This is also... somewhat untrue. I did push to have KK as our policy lynch - and in hindsight I'm hoping you'll understand how I'd still prefer policy lynching due to dumb posts rather than few posts.

It was smart to kill Gheb. It puts the bros in a fun situation. Maybe they killed him, maybe they're being framed, maybe we'd think they're being framed - but they actually killed him. What would be the outcome of lynching a bro and him coming up scum?

That might be productive. Who exactly... are the bros?

Also, my chart is amazing. Fact.

1. Stop using the word policy lynch. You don't have any idea what it means, it's apparent.

2. The paragraph starting with "It was smart to kill Gheb" is word vomit. You didn't say a single thing in it.

After that you didn't introduce any topic for discussion basically said look I posted something other then my chart a few times, and then tried to make a few quick jokes at the end.

If I wasn't voting Nix I'd be voting you.

 

[Ronike]

Vote: Chibo

Honestly, why hasn't anyone else done this yet? He hammered 4 days before the deadline and before Cacti could claim.

 

[Morrigan]

Because it the only way to get the game rolling.

However, with the quick point out he made of it, I am somewhat inclined to believe that it could be a pretty solid misdirect. If this were the case, I think it would point to a possibility of Dekuu + KK, as KK is a mentioned bro that didn't have a problem with being called out by Dekuu.

No "bro" had a problem with being called out, they just replied with a couple of words and that's it. Besides, if KK and I were scum, wouldn't it be obvious to expect a "Wtf are you saying Dekuu" post after I Fos'd him?

 

[karthik_king]

wait
so youre case is this

Bros are experienced at mafia. Meno wants bros lynched. This cannot be a coincidence.

how the HELL does this warrant a vote or even make any sense at all.

wtf are the chances of all the bros being mafia? Very, Very low.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

can we wagon tom now?

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Low, but why does that warrant a meno vote.

if you had said that rather tan what you said before it wouldve made a ****load more sense.

 

[Ronike]

Can we wagon Chibo now?

 

[KevinM]

Ronike, kinda thinking about it.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

Can we wagon Chibo now?

if you agree to wagon tom after