Mafia and Werewolves Gamethread

[UtopianPoyzin]

I'm going to once again reassert that Gellnick is the safest play for tonight. We don't need to take any risky plays here, we just need to knock one down. The very slight pushback against a gellnick exe is giving me all the more motivation to know that this is the right call here.

 

[Rhand]

I'm going to once again reassert that Gellnick is the safest play for tonight. We don't need to take any risky plays here, we just need to knock one down. The very slight pushback against a gellnick exe is giving me all the more motivation to know that this is the right call here.

Why does that fit a gellnick lynch and not a FF lynch?

 

[Shurian]

I rather lynch FF over gellnick
Town needs to be on the same idea
We can't have people having different ideas: I still believe the world is solved through day 1 analysis.

Also about gorf saying me wifoming
I could say the same about Swiss

Also rhand gon die night phase now rip

 

[Shurian]

UtopianPoyzin please
Read pages 1~5
Look at Mao
Look at Eido
Look at Swiss
Look at Rhand
Then look at Gorf

 

[Shurian]

The fact we have multiple avenues of discussion is ridiculous

I'd take cold showers for a month if I'm wrong.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Why does that fit a gellnick lynch and not a FF lynch?

Because Gellnick has actually has made very problematic posts whereas FF has not really. FF is currently inactive, and lynching an inactive is going to be a less than 50% chance of being right. Scum typically push for inactive lynches in crunch time because they will they will be the most agreeable. The fact that "everyone" seems to address this fact is what makes FF a poor candidate.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

We can't have people having different ideas

This is disgusting

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

ebwop

Full stop. That is disgusting. I legitimately cannot believe you would straight up say that people shouldn't be having different ideas. This is MyLo. Literally one mistake and the game is lost. And you think we shouldn't even consider multiple scenarios and avenues. I am personally appalled.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

UtopianPoyzin UtopianPoyzin please
Read pages 1~5
Look at Mao
Look at Eido
Look at Swiss
Look at Rhand
Then look at Gorf

WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO FREAKING DO? JUST LOOK AROUND AND MAYBE ILL BLINDLY FOLLOW YOUR FIRST FIVE PAGES THEORY? IF TRAITOR SWISS WANTED TO CLING TO MAO AND EIDO ON THE VERY FIRST POST THATS PHENOMENALLY STUPID ON SWISS'S BEHALF. AND BESIDES, IT DIDNT EVEN WORK BECAUSE EIDO WAS SCUMREADING SWISS! SCUMREADING!!!#!!t!#^!# GIVEN THAT EIDO TRIED TO PROTECT MAO AS BEST HE COULD YOUD THINK HED TRY TO BACK UP THEIR ONE AND ONLY TRAITOR THAT TRIED TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THEM!!!

AND WHAT THEN?! HAVE SWISS SCREW HIMSELF OVER BY NOT TRYING TO SUBTLY REACH OUT TO THE MAFIA AS WELL? WWWWWWWWWWWHERE DO YOU THINK HE DID THAT? YOU CANT SOLVE WHO THE MAFIA ARE WITH THE TRAITORS READS IF YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHO THE TRAITOR ISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!! THIS WHOLE CASE IS SO ****ING CONJECTURAL WHEN BLATANT SCUM IS SITTING IN FRONT OF US IN THE FORM OF GELLNICK AND NERBINS! I HAVE CALLED OUT BOTH OF THEIR HIGHLY PROBLEMATIC AND SUSPICIOUS POSTS, AND THE PRIMARY REASON TO SUSPECT SWISS AS TRAITOR IS BECAUSE HE HAD A READSLIST WHERE 2/4 EARLY READS ENDED UP BEING WEREWOLVES??!!!!!!!?!!?! THATS A ****TY TRAITOR PLAY FOR ANYONE TO MAKE, MUCH LESS SWISS. BUT MAYBE ILL FIGURE OUT IF I STOP THINKING AND JUST "LOOK" AT THE POSTS SOME MORE.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

I played a multiball game that had a traitor that could win with either faction. I was one of the mafia teams, Team Aqua to be precise. In RVS I consecutively voted for Player A, Player B, and Player C who were all on the opposing team, Team Magma. Player C raged and functionally outted themselves as mafia as soon as I voted for Player B, given that I was previously voting for Player A beforehand. There were 4 members on that team and I ended up exclusively voting for the other mafia team because I ended up dying early. Iirc.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Don't tell me to look. I've already looked. I have previously stated that I think Swiss looks far better than Rhand in those early page pushes, and on D1 Gorf was another one of my hardest townreads. Actually quote the ****ing posts you want.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

This game though. Literally the epitome of "it gets worse". I'd actually be fine with somebody's content and then it just goes down the ****ter and it's really sad to see.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

I townread Mao D1. I was nullreading Eido for the most part. I townread Swiss, and I townread Gorf all on D1. I had a townlean on Rhand D1. All of those reads are still situationally accurate to what we knew at the time that D1 rolled around.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

So now we wait for Wiisp and Scarlet Rage to weigh in with their insight.

Wow can you believe it I can't believe Swiss knew the two people who would PR claim on D1 I'm so impressed call him the janitor because he cleaned up



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[Tsumugi Shirogane]

What if Tsumugi is Ascetic?

I am town vanilla -.-

 

[Tsumugi Shirogane]

Actually no, my vote is stuck on gellnick. They are my top scumread as of now. This is where I plan to stick my foot in the sand, I believe I’ll be staying put.

Whats ur take on FF, it almost feels like they're scum just trying to slide under the radar.

 

[Tsumugi Shirogane]

I think my feelings on them are pretty clear?
Swiss traitor, Gorff / FF mafia is my world view.
I am investigating other avenues.

Ok cool, I just wanted to make sure we were seeing the same picture. I believe FF is the best lynch here, otherwise, swiss is next if worst comes to worst since almost everyone believes he's a traitor.

I'm going to once again reassert that Gellnick is the safest play for tonight. We don't need to take any risky plays here, we just need to knock one down. The very slight pushback against a gellnick exe is giving me all the more motivation to know that this is the right call here.

Why gellnick over other avenues? Explain to me what makes him the safest play, which btw safest play is always lynching the traitor just an FYI.

 

[Tsumugi Shirogane]

Scum typically push for inactive lynches in crunch time

At least 4 people are pushing for FF only two of the four could be scum lol.

 

[Tsumugi Shirogane]

ebwop

Full stop. That is disgusting. I legitimately cannot believe you would straight up say that people shouldn't be having different ideas. This is MyLo. Literally one mistake and the game is lost. And you think we shouldn't even consider multiple scenarios and avenues. I am personally appalled.

Wrong

If anything town needs to be on a cooridinated front and I rather not have someone I believe is in my town core to try to lead a train elsewhere. The other scenario that should be considered is going after the traitor.

Gellnick, FF, Gorf, + Traitor can't all be scum.

 

[Tsumugi Shirogane]

IF TRAITOR SWISS WANTED TO CLING TO MAO AND EIDO ON THE VERY FIRST POST THATS PHENOMENALLY STUPID ON SWISS'S BEHALF. AND BESIDES, IT DIDNT EVEN WORK BECAUSE EIDO WAS SCUMREADING SWISS! SCUMREADING!!!#!!t!#^!# GIVEN THAT EIDO TRIED TO PROTECT MAO AS BEST HE COULD YOUD THINK HED TRY TO BACK UP THEIR ONE AND ONLY TRAITOR THAT TRIED TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THEM!!!

This is all wifom.

Don't tell me to look. I've already looked. I have previously stated that I think Swiss looks far better than Rhand in those early page pushes, and on D1 Gorf was another one of my hardest townreads. Actually quote the ****ing posts you want.

In what world does swiss look better than Rhand, by now Rhand should for the most part be locked town. I dislike how you speak of this should be the time to reevaluate but you still stuck on your d1 reads like they're god-tier.

 

[Tsumugi Shirogane]

UtopianPoyzin Who is partnered with Gell, if you say me ill slap you.

 

[gellnick]

Finally at my computer long enough to write this.

Yeah, no. Given the fact that you had to retract your statement, meaning you are revising your original viewpoint, that still leaves the fact that you townread Nerbins up until page 56. When we reached page 56, now they dropped all the way down to a scumlean/low neutral. DESPITE the fact that such a jump in a read is entirely unnatural, I am still very interested in your pre-page 56 townread on Nerbins, because while you may be retracting that statement now, that isn't going to cover for your previous viewpoint. Given that you only had 2 reads on the townside besides yourself (Rhand and Nerbins), I'd expect them to be more or less grounded in something, given that they are deliberately differentiated from the rest of your null reads.

Which at the same time, we still haven't even touched the fact that you absolutely flipped the script on Nerbins from one of your only two townreads down to a scumread at the very lowest, null-scum at the very highest, after a whopping total of... 4 posts? 5 posts? With most of them just butting heads with Swiss, who by the way you believe to be traitor. Does that mean... that you agree with Swiss's train of thought presented in #2232 and #2243? Once again I'm reminding you that you asserted that Swiss was likely traitor for a Shurian/Gorf scumteam, so if you are suddenly scumreading Tsumugi out of left field from a handful of posts, where does Tsumugi likely fit in to your visualized scumteam?

Don't let this distract you from the fact that the most important thing I want to know is your town read on Nerbins all the way up to page 56. This is the most important bit that I want to hear from you. From there, I'm completely negating the fact that you are now scumreading Tsumugi based on 5 posts when Nerbins was one of your only two town reads, I'd like to know where Tsumugi falls in the scumpool for you compared to your other scumreads.

Ok. Let me get this straight. You think that because I dropped nerbins/tsumugi to a scumlean when they replaced out AGAIN I'm definitely a scum.
Let me set you straight: I saw that slot replace and was infuriated, since for one, there have been far too many replacements in this game and for two, nerbins was being relatively active. I dropped to a scumlean mainly out of frustration, but also because I don't like how sudden it was, like it seems they were posting relatively frequently then decided to leave for some reason, which I think is scummy. I'm just frustrated with ALL THESE DAMN REPLACEMENTS.
Right now, I'm nullreading Tsumugi - I'm not very fast at getting good reads, but I do think they're unlikely to be Mafia for sure. I haven't ruled out the possibility that they are traitor, though.

Before I continue:
gellnick
Have you read the thread? Please do, and compare accordingly.

Yes, I have read the thread. I stand by my current readlist, but with the Whysper slot at a null right now (Too many replacements wtf). I feel like I must say that seeing that slot replace out yet again just infuriated me for some reason, and I may have overreacted.

 

[Tsumugi Shirogane]

Before I sleep I would like to say, Swiss has played well in a ****ty way. I have not read all his posts but the ones I have read reek, the kind of stench you get from an informed player. Its impossible to fake being informed, I know because I've tried as a test. The only thing that mafia can do is try really hard to be uninformed but at the end of the day they're still informed you can't remove it. All that can be done is try to keep the stench hidden.

If there are people in this game that can't see that, well god bless their souls going into future mafia games.

 

[Tsumugi Shirogane]

if you're scum you deserve an academy award for perfect noob town acting holy **** lmao

This post gives off the same vibe as swiss posts about mao being night kill bait for being very clearly a town PR. The stench coming off of it just reeks of being informed. Seems like Wisp was the only one to really call out the post this quote came from.

 

[Rhand]

Because Gellnick has actually has made very problematic posts whereas FF has not really. FF is currently inactive, and lynching an inactive is going to be a less than 50% chance of being right. Scum typically push for inactive lynches in crunch time because they will they will be the most agreeable. The fact that "everyone" seems to address this fact is what makes FF a poor candidate.

The part of your post I am talking about is “The very slight pushback against a gellnick exe is giving me all the more motivation to know that this is the right call here.”
The same was true for FF. Only Swiss and now you.

 

[Rhand]

Shurian Utopian’s recent posts mean we must be wrong in our world view. He is too upset about it.

 

[Rhand]

So. Day starts. Me and Shurian come with a Swiss / Gorff / FF worldbuild.
Swiss and Gorff obviously disagree.
Utopian fights it.
Tsumugi goes along with it.
Gellnick is in a world of his own.
FF doesn’t exist.

If the world build is wrong, logically mafia/traitor would do what Tsumugi did and help push it.
Fighting it as mafia only makes sense if one read in that trio is correct. Utopian is fighting the FF lynch and pushing a Gellnick lynch.
Utopian and Gellnick never scum together.

If Swiss and Gorff are indeed town, then occam’s razor points to Tsumugi traitor.
possible worlds:
Tsumugi / Utopian / FF
Tsumugi / Gellnick / FF

I can’t see any other viable worlds unless I am wrong about Shurian.

Swiss you think FF is wrong. Who is the third?

 

[Rhand]

Tinfoil world would be Swiss / Utopian / FF

 

[Shurian]

I'm sincerely starting to doubt myself here as well >_>

And yes it would look like that.
I'm going to have to reevaluate again based on everything that has happened.

Now that Rhand has stated as such 2 posts above, that there was the possibility...

I'm not certain of what to expect anymore rn Dx

 

[Swiss]

Whysper and Gellnick - then the other Shur or FF.

So I’ll take either of my convicted reads - the third person is another problem. I lean Shur they’re in the ‘camp’ with both scum reads and how does the ff wagon have steam.

Gellixk >>>>> ff

 

[Swiss]

I’m never making a ‘I’m a werewolf’ joke again

Jesus Christ

 

[Swiss]

Before I sleep I would like to say, Swiss has played well in a ****ty way. I have not read all his posts but the ones I have read reek, the kind of stench you get from an informed player. Its impossible to fake being informed, I know because I've tried as a test. The only thing that mafia can do is try really hard to be uninformed but at the end of the day they're still informed you can't remove it. All that can be done is try to keep the stench hidden.

If there are people in this game that can't see that, well god bless their souls going into future mafia games.

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[Swiss]

Osie
Wiisp

Rhand
Gorf

Swiss
Shurian

Poyzin
gellnick

Mao
Frozen
Nerbins

This has been my readlist all Day, pretty much.

Rhand

Wiisp was correct
Mao was correct
I presume you are correct
You agree with him on ff so fine

Why is Nerbins so wrong?

 

[Rhand]

Rhand

Wiisp was correct
Mao was correct
I presume you are correct
You agree with him on ff so fine

Why is Nerbins so wrong?

In my world it's either you OR Nerbins for traitor and I can't make up my mind which one.
So Nerbins is not "so wrong". It might well be correct.

It's why I prefer a FF lynch still, he is the logical completion of every team that I can see.
With the caveat that my Shurian townread is correct.

It's cool that you gave me that Osie post to look at. He agrees with my Nerbins / FF / ? teams - with ? being Gellnick or Poyzin.

 

[Swiss]

Chop Chop when is end of day

 

[Swiss]

^ @ anyone really

 

[Swiss]

In my world it's either you OR Nerbins for traitor and I can't make up my mind which one.
So Nerbins is not "so wrong". It might well be correct.

It's why I prefer a FF lynch still, he is the logical completion of every team that I can see.
With the caveat that my Shurian townread is correct.

It's cool that you gave me that Osie post to look at. He agrees with my Nerbins / FF / ? teams - with ? being Gellnick or Poyzin.

Would you take Gellick instead?

 

[Swiss]

I'm off to re-read ff for the 50th time

 

[Rhand]

Would you take Gellick instead?

No. It's Poyzin that is pushing there.
I think I can consolidate on Nerbins if FF isn't an option.

 

[Swiss]

That still leaves us 1 vote short, assuming Gorf UP vote Nerbins.

#HBC | FrozeηFlame I'm trying to save you man, hurry up and win your trial.

gellnick It's you or Nerbins, who you voting for?