Mafia and Werewolves Gamethread

[Tsumugi Shirogane]

The Traitor appears on both the Cop and Seer Checks.

This is clearly in the signups, so even if I was the traitor which I ain't, doesn't seem like I would have any control over my alignment not appearing in a check it be caused by another role.

 

[Tsumugi Shirogane]

I think what Gorf is trying to say is why do you have time to be here actively responding to people in the thread but don't have time to reread :/

Taking a break from homework, before I have to head to work is all.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Wait who did Wiisp cop check N1

 

[Swiss]

Unless I am reading something wrong or the host is playing us, traitor would always give back the results of being something either being a reverse miller or straight up showing up as mafia.

For him to get no results it means he was either a false cop or someone messed with the results. I know what my role is and there is nothing that states I mess with any form of investigation.

traitor can commute........

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I think what Gorf is trying to say is why do you have time to be here actively responding to people in the thread but don't have time to reread :/

that’s precisely what I’m saying

but I will say that i was making that point based off the presumption that vla meant no activity, not low activity. My feelings still stand but not quite as strongly

 

[Swiss]

I’m cooking but can someone post Osie and Wiisps last read lists

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Okay so Gorf and Swiss thoughts on a Gellnick exe here

 

[Tsumugi Shirogane]

traitor can commute........

That would have required my predecessor to know he was either being shot or investigated on n1.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Osie
Wiisp

Rhand
Gorf

Swiss
Shurian

Poyzin
gellnick

Mao
Frozen
Nerbins

This has been my readlist all Day, pretty much.

Osie list

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Nerbins - I'm just getting a scum vibe, not sure what alignment they are but I don't really like them too much.

Explain this read?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Wait who did Wiisp cop check N1

Wiisp cop checked whysper/nerbins, no result
Osie seer checked you. You’re not traitor

That would have required my predecessor to know he was either being shot or investigated on n1.

I think that out of the 3 roles, the commute seems like the most easily helpful to someone who is checked out of the thread nerbins was when he subbed in

the theories are either that wiisp was rb’d, or nerbins commuted. I would think that getting a result of “no result” would clearly not being failing your action, aka being roleblocked, but I’ve been told that it can easily be interchangeable (which is bull****), so I’m not dying on that hill.

 

[Tsumugi Shirogane]

Rhand Your alive and kicking still, I went back to read the first 3 pages. Do you really think swiss is leading you on? The post saying MAO is acting like a town power role sounds like it comes from someone informed.

Also, the way Gorf handled your interaction with Swiss was just super aggressive. How do you feel about Gorf and Swiss as of right now?

 

[Tsumugi Shirogane]

the theories are either that wiisp was rb’d, or nerbins commuted. I would think that getting a result of “no result” would clearly not being failing your action, aka being roleblocked, but I’ve been told that it can easily be interchangeable (which is bull****), so I’m not dying on that hill.

Thats just icky, when someone's action fails they should be told it failed, not that it produced no results. Suggesting it produced no results means I didn't fail and If it did fail that would be a mod lying to the players.

 

[Swiss]

Thats just icky, when someone's action fails they should be told it failed, not that it produced no results. Suggesting it produced no results means I didn't fail and If it did fail that would be a mod lying to the players.

No...

saying you failed means you failed

this action got no result - it went through but you weren’t ‘at home’

 

[Swiss]

Also is it not a concern for anyone that FF seems to be the only Lynch almost everyone agrees on.

A correct lynch will not be unanimous it’s 3v5

 

[Tsumugi Shirogane]

Also is it not a concern for anyone that FF seems to be the only Lynch almost everyone agrees on.

A correct lynch will not be unanimous it’s 3v5

I am on the table too, or did you forget? At least, people implied I should be worried about being lynched.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Okay so Gorf and Swiss thoughts on a Gellnick exe here

Also is it not a concern for anyone that FF seems to be the only Lynch almost everyone agrees on.

A correct lynch will not be unanimous it’s 3v5

Yeah yeah, ff is off the table for toDay. Thoughts on a Gellnick exe?

 

[Swiss]

Yeah yeah, ff is off the table for toDay. Thoughts on a Gellnick exe?

Gellnick second to Whysper Nerbins for me. Then the big question of who is third.

But would take Gellnick though sure

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

What if Tsumugi is Ascetic?

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

I do like a Tsumugi/Gellnick lynch as well, but tbh I’m feeling gellnick due to technicality because tsumugi needs to reread before I can get a more accurate read on her. Was not impressed with Nerbins though.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Actually no, my vote is stuck on gellnick. They are my top scumread as of now. This is where I plan to stick my foot in the sand, I believe I’ll be staying put.

 

[Rhand]

Also is it not a concern for anyone that FF seems to be the only Lynch almost everyone agrees on.

A correct lynch will not be unanimous it’s 3v5

It’s not though. Almost everyone agrees that he’s probably mafia, but hardly anyone wants to lynch him toDay.
Which probably means he IS mafia and the traitor and buddy aren’t denying it but just trying to push a town lynch instead.

 

[Rhand]

Rhand Your alive and kicking still, I went back to read the first 3 pages. Do you really think swiss is leading you on? The post saying MAO is acting like a town power role sounds like it comes from someone informed.

Also, the way Gorf handled your interaction with Swiss was just super aggressive. How do you feel about Gorf and Swiss as of right now?

I think my feelings on them are pretty clear?
Swiss traitor, Gorff / FF mafia is my world view.
I am investigating other avenues.

 

[Swiss]

I think my feelings on them are pretty clear?
Swiss traitor, Gorff / FF mafia is my world view.
I am investigating other avenues.

You cannot be serious

 

[Swiss]

For the love of God Rhand, All of this traitor BS comes from my not VT bait and calling myself a ww as a joke. I’m actually going to cry.

 

[Swiss]

I do like a Tsumugi/Gellnick lynch as well, but tbh I’m feeling gellnick due to technicality because tsumugi needs to reread before I can get a more accurate read on her. Was not impressed with Nerbins though.

Im the reverse, not that it matters

pinned day 1 pretty much and bottom of the reads lists on Osie etc

Even with me you gorf now Rhand is on the other side we cannot force any lynch. It’s 5 to lynch today yes?

 

[Swiss]

So we need to swing Rhand and FF/Shur

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

For the love of God Rhand, All of this traitor BS comes from my not VT bait and calling myself a ww as a joke. I’m actually going to cry.

To be fair I think Rhand could actually be mafia here so I wouldn't be too distraught about it :/

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

For the love of God Rhand, All of this traitor BS comes from my not VT bait and calling myself a ww as a joke. I’m actually going to cry.

Dude we are early game wiisp and rhand

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Poyzin, you really don’t think it’s nerbins here?

rhand, you really don’t at least think whyspers play holds up as really scummy? it was rough. you really don’t think Nerbins’ play was in some ways worse? he hardly gave reads that weren’t “I don’t really know” wishy washy bull****. He said he’s low level, but even low levels show some sense of understanding of the game’s events as they catch up. Screw the replacement, you really don’t think that slot still holds up as scummy?

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Poyzin, you really don’t think it’s nerbins here?

rhand, you really don’t at least think whyspers play holds up as really scummy? it was rough. you really don’t think Nerbins’ play was in some ways worse? he hardly gave reads that weren’t “I don’t really know” wishy washy bull****. He said he’s low level, but even low levels show some sense of understanding of the game’s events as they catch up. Screw the replacement, you really don’t think that slot still holds up as scummy?

I think it could definitely be Nerbins here. The thing is though I feel like Gellnick is a much safer lynch at the present to hit evil, and tbh that's all that matters rn in my eyes. It seems like there's a bit of a civil war going on and especially with 3v5, we just need to hit one scum. Gellnick is that scum.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

My readslist atm is probably something like

Poyzin
FrozenFlame
Swiss
Gorf
Shurian
Rhand
Tsumugi
Gellnick

This is sorted primarily based on ]who I want to vote out the most at the bottom to who I want to vote out the least at the top.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

I don't think FrozenFlame is the right move here. My readslist is never that dark, but I guess it goes to show that at this point in time I'm not sold on anybody's towniness. But yeah Gellnick the best bet imo.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Tbh I kinda want to redo that. I don't think Shurian is the move here either, they should be at the top of null with FF. Like in the end I think the group who are in null is most likely to be the people who are town in this game. That being said, I don't want to give anybody credit of me townreading them because of the fact that there's a very obvious clash going down

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Don't lynch group:
FrozenFlame, Shurian, Gorf, Swiss

Lynch later:
Rhand

Lynch now:
Gellnick, Tsumugi (with a strong Gellnick preference)

 

[Swiss]

Up Rhand is town

And better to lynch traitor toDay so if I’m alive tomorrow I’m more trusted and means our night action whatever it is is guaranteed.

need to play the numbers

 

[Swiss]

^oh mafia will have an action too

still game is won or lost on day phases now anyway

 

[Rhand]

Poyzin, you really don’t think it’s nerbins here?

rhand, you really don’t at least think whyspers play holds up as really scummy? it was rough. you really don’t think Nerbins’ play was in some ways worse? he hardly gave reads that weren’t “I don’t really know” wishy washy bull****. He said he’s low level, but even low levels show some sense of understanding of the game’s events as they catch up. Screw the replacement, you really don’t think that slot still holds up as scummy?

I do think Whysper was scummy yes. I was serious about wanting to vote that slot Day 1.
Nerbins was pretty meh as well.

 

[Rhand]

For the love of God Rhand, All of this traitor BS comes from my not VT bait and calling myself a ww as a joke. I’m actually going to cry.

It’s just so painful to look at an early T/S list with way too much confidence on page 1 where the two werewolves stick out like a sore and you call yourself one of them on top. You can say it’s too obvious a play all you want, but if we would have been in this exact situation with them alive instead of the mafia, no one would notice but them and it would be brilliant play.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Chop Chop Vote count?