Mafia and Werewolves Gamethread

[#HBC | Gorf]

I remember someone said something about Eido talking about voting partners here being bad or something?
can anyone confirm this?
don't know how much weight I will put on his reads on a non-contextual level, I am looking for reads that look awkwardly positioned

eido talked about his philosophy on how he thinks scum might approach the game a few times. I think it was when we were talking about the difference because it’s multiball early on. One thing he said is “scum is incentivized to be aggressive, and maybe shouldn’t defend their scummates.” That tells me at least that his townreads are probably more legit than usual and his null reads/weak sauce scumreads are more of something to be concerned for

also knowing how scary today is, if Swiss continues this PBAP playstyle, I will not accept him as town
if he adapts to the current situation and actively helps solve the game, and actually rereading the slots
he said he is going to, so I am hoping for some good insight

lmfao

Shurian I’d strongly advise not POE writing gellnick off if you’re taking about gellnick!maf

Lol wiisp you really just don’t accept the idea that he hasn’t been ignoring your posts for a fat minute like he says do you

As I've said, Swiss is traitor (and looking moreso).

whysper/nerbian is all but confirmed traitor imo, which all but confirms Swiss as town to me. You should reevaluate that read

 

[Shurian]

Page 2 my bad.

I didn't expect RVS phase to end this soon.

 

[Shurian]

Actually Gorf,

I was thinking gellnick was town, see: I write to see if people are town, then before slotting them into one of the two categories. You're probably right though, I should be more careful of who I clear until the next day,

Chop Chop
Vote : Detective Mao

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I’ll ride with that

vote: detective mao

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

If your sentiment is that gellnick!=ww i would probably agree

 

[Nerbins]

whysper/nerbian is all but confirmed traitor imo, which all but confirms Swiss as town to me. You should reevaluate that read

Here's my theory as to what happened
Mafia's power role is a roleblocker, they roleblocked Wiisp, and as a result, they got no result for me, a good vanilla boy

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Here's my theory as to what happened
Mafia's power role is a roleblocker, they roleblocked Wiisp, and as a result, they got no result for me, a good vanilla boy

Duh

 

[Nerbins]

Duh

Fair but I mean what else can I say, that's all that could've happened since I'm not the traitor

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Might I introduce you to a certain razor used by one such Occam?

 

[Shurian]

osieorb18 what do you think of the current threadstate?

I like it personally

 

[Nerbins]

Might I introduce you to a certain razor used by one such Occam?

A google search tells me that what you're saying is wrong

 

[Shurian]

Dont meta read dont meta read dont meta read

Nerbins could be lv 2 now
Dont meta read

 

[Nerbins]

A google search tells me that what you're saying is wrong

That or I misinterpreted what you said and you were agreeing with me in which case oops
Also lv 2?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

A google search tells me that what you're saying is wrong

yea the wrong one

Google Occam’s razor:

“...the simplest of competing theories be preferred to the more complex or that explanations of unknown phenomena be sought first in terms of known quantities”

my explanation > yours

 

[Nerbins]

Ah man I'm never gonna sway you

 

[Shurian]

If Nerbins =/= improved, he is town
If Nerbins improved sufficiently, then his alignment is ???

CRITICAL DAMAGE

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I hate meta reads so much cuz they’re reason for you to say **** logic these are mah FEEEELINGS

What is “improved” in this context? Improved from when? He replaced into this slot when you did. If you mean improved from when he got exposed sure he improved cuz first he ghosted now he’s here

 

[Shurian]

Improvement from when I last saw him 2 years ago LEL

Now 2 years is quite a long time. To say he didnt improve from back then is... yikes. To put it simply, he was one of the mislynch candidates in my homesite. Not sure about now though.

Legitimately, yes meta reads are yucky, and people can change. Again, this are my thoughts, and there are many ways to interpret it as such.

So what am I gonna do, use actual evidence? There's not much yet to work off from him. We have 120 hours to produce content...

He still has a chance to make a comeback. I'd give him a chance and see.

 

[Shurian]

I wanted to write "breathes, LOL" but this forum keeps refreshing so I keep losing part of my drafts

How are ya'll even handling this refresh thingies, I'm too used to Discourse

 

[Shurian]

Btw Nerbins
Which part of the game seems like the juiciest part?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Improvement from when I last saw him 2 years ago LEL

Now 2 years is quite a long time. To say he didnt improve from back then is... yikes. To put it simply, he was one of the mislynch candidates in my homesite. Not sure about now though.

Legitimately, yes meta reads are yucky, and people can change. Again, this are my thoughts, and there are many ways to interpret it as such.

So what am I gonna do, use actual evidence? There's not much yet to work off from him. We have 120 hours to produce content...

He still has a chance to make a comeback. I'd give him a chance and see.

I can live with this but when push comes to shove id say a majority of my stance involves whyspers play + nai, so id appreciate your updated feel on this slot to 1) seriously consider whysper/nerbins!traitor and 2) include whysper and nai in your read

and nerbins sorry bro, sometimes it be like that

 

[Nerbins]

He still has a chance to make a comeback. I'd give him a chance and see.

I mean if you want something from me, it's a bit small but I got something
Mao's tone seems off at times, most of the time she's amiable but occasionally she gets a little more miffed, instance that stands out to me the most was when she was added to PoE, not sure if this is something that's NAI for her but seemed kinda off to me with how sudden it was
Shuri, thanks for the vote of confidence, I will try to make sure it's not misplaced
Also yeah I'm too used to Discourse, not being able to post for a minute throws me off but it's probably a good thing.
Juiciest part? As in like most dramatic probably the myriad of arguments on D1 which honestly for the most part I got close to nothing from, but right now if you mean like most important probably the fact that a decent amount of people seem to think I'm traitor when I know I'm not. Granted it gives me mislynch immunity which could save town hassle and it might throw the actual bads off if they think I am also but other than that not too great. Actually scratch that if you mean juicy-juicy probably three power roles claiming day one

and nerbins sorry bro, sometimes it be like that

Nah that's fair, just got bad luck, don't necessarily blame you for thinking it's me

 

[Wiisp]

I swear everyone that does realtime looks so good, and then people like Swiss look terrible
I wonder if Swiss claiming, "Eido isn't a PR", was like a traitor hint? like that was quite quick
I mean most of us are kinda there, his playstyle seems to be that of trying to keep people in the PoE that don't need to be
and also not doing enough to look super towny

 

[Wiisp]

mafia451 is the best, discourse with their iso and vote count system, is soooooooooooo clean

 

[Shurian]

Whysper Traitor...
Last I remember of Whysp was that they turned frozen in chat. They said it was because of RL issues and I won't say anything about that... I'll try to see if there is a case to be made lel.

(Also for the late reply, I was having my foot checked, had a mild sprain.)

mafia451 is the best, discourse with their iso and vote count system, is soooooooooooo clean

Sounds like another place I should finally go to
(Actually I've heard of it, but I'm scared of strangers, I'm scared of you too, but ChopChop requested me through a Discord DM to replace into this game so...)

 

[gellnick]

mafia451 is the best, discourse with their iso and vote count system, is soooooooooooo clean

100% agree.
I love m451's system, the one time i've modded there it was so easy, also by far the best game I've modded.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

What is discourse

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

What is discourse

=Conversation

Gm thread

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Juiciest part? As in like most dramatic probably the myriad of arguments on D1 which honestly for the most part I got close to nothing from, but right now if you mean like most important probably the fact that a decent amount of people seem to think I'm traitor when I know I'm not. Granted it gives me mislynch immunity which could save town hassle and it might throw the actual bads off if they think I am also but other than that not too great. Actually scratch that if you mean juicy-juicy probably three power roles claiming day one

idk if im biased but this is a pretty bad answer imho

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I swear everyone that does realtime looks so good, and then people like Swiss look terrible
I wonder if Swiss claiming, "Eido isn't a PR", was like a traitor hint? like that was quite quick
I mean most of us are kinda there, his playstyle seems to be that of trying to keep people in the PoE that don't need to be
and also not doing enough to look super towny

he told me it wasnt, that it was a joke based on eidos reaction to him joking about wanting a massclaim in like post 50 or some ****. I believe him, that’s Swiss!nai

 

[gellnick]

What is discourse

Best forum software imo.
Certainly better than anything that doesn't let you infinitely scroll to the bottom.
Also better than anything that doesn't let you ISO.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

I wonder if Swiss claiming, "Eido isn't a PR", was like a traitor hint? like that was quite quick
I mean most of us are kinda there, his playstyle seems to be that of trying to keep people in the PoE that don't need to be

Tbf I think that saying that somebody is likely "not a town PR" is a valid read for town to make. Like at best it misleads scum into hitting another scum or a vanilla; at worst it's a correct statement. When I think of "good VT play" I think of being really open and down to leave it all on the table, while a "good TPR play" is to stay out of scum's eye as they collect information before eventually claiming and being a main town leader. With that in mind, I think the super-early gut call was more or less to get #30 out which idt comes from traitor and seems to have been the main goal of labeling Eido as "not a PR". You would think he would call out other mafia/ww if he was actually traitor tho...

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Oh discourse is the name of something I thought we were asking the definition LOL

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Eido - not vanilla town

Oh wait are we looking at something else? Because I was going to make a comment of Eido being more reserved and selective of his words which aligns with a not-VT play but then I was like "oh Swiss said he wasn't a TPR" but I guess he did say that

 

[Nerbins]

idk if im biased but this is a pretty bad answer imho

Why'd you think so? You too, Poyzin

 

[Detective Mao]

I'm trying to lock town in before I finalize my thoughts.

As I've said, Swiss is traitor (and looking moreso).

I also think that Mao, who is L1 wolf (probably), has no strong stances, is the werewolf we want. She seems... frozen right now.

I havent really read the updated thread but the fact that Mao was the one expressing to move away from the Swiss/Rhand incident would make her extremely high up as WW.

Detective Mao What would you think of this theory? If it's not right (and you are town), could I have a reason why you wanted to move away from the first conflict in this game? Why did you respond the way you did in the first 4 pages?

Meme is no answer, as you specifically said "RVS Stage is over so quick" in Page 1.

Well, good morning.

I'm not frozen. I slept, and couldn't be bothered to interact with people when my attempts got dismissed even when people supposedly wanted to narrow the PoE, and all they seemed to be doing was shading me even if it made no sense from a neutral standpoint. I went from consensus town to everyone's scumreads almost immediately, that would throw anyone off.

I'm just going to do my thing, and you guys do your thing, yeah? I'm not going to be here 24/7, I'll just do analysis on my own.

About the bolded; how so? It was clogging up the thread and leading nowhere, especially with Wiisp claiming Rhand's behavior was NAI. I don't see how wanting to move on from it is scummy.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

ehh. seemed kinda broad, kinda lackadaisical. im tryna read how you play, i was more interested in how youd treat to me saying that than anything tho, that looks better. ill call it null enough through and through

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Why'd you think so? You too, Poyzin

You didn't answer it. "If you mean juicy-juicy probably three power roles claiming day one" That's a statement not an opinion. 3 power roles claiming is "different" and "unusual" but it is a statement of fact that it happened and calling it juicy doesn't really do anything. Are you wrong? Technically... no. It's a statement of fact its very hard to mess it up, but its not really readable, with Gorf that it's majorly null.

 

[Wiisp]

he told me it wasnt, that it was a joke based on eidos reaction to him joking about wanting a massclaim in like post 50 or some ****. I believe him, that’s Swiss!nai

man now I know how you guys felt in regards to my Rhand treatment
I hate these

 

[Nerbins]

You didn't answer it. "If you mean juicy-juicy probably three power roles claiming day one" That's a statement not an opinion. 3 power roles claiming is "different" and "unusual" but it is a statement of fact that it happened and calling it juicy doesn't really do anything. Are you wrong? Technically... no. It's a statement of fact its very hard to mess it up, but its not really readable, with Gorf that it's majorly null.

Shur asked me what I thought was the juiciest part and I answered what I thought was the juiciest part