Mafia and Werewolves Gamethread

[Rhand]

He's European; pretty sure EoD would be at a bad time for him.

Yeh phase change is 5am for me.

I am liking this new Whysper.
which makes me dislike Mao a bit.

Also, was I the only one that didn’t have Eido as a townclear? I’m going to go hunt for spew later.

We should mass-seer-claim. All give a fake green check so that the seer can put their check in thread.
Do not claim red checks unless you are the seer and have one.

I checked Utopian.

 

[Rhand]

actually the spew should be interesting. Since mafia killed him, they must have believed Eido was town.
And since he was widely townread, his buddy and the traitor are going to have fake town reads on him.

 

[osieorb18]

Can someone double-check Whysper's interactions with Eido while I continue my ISO dive? Possible buddy pings.

 

[osieorb18]

I would hit one of Scarlet/Chaco. I would hit Gellnick. I would hit Whysper.

Rule of 4?

 

[Rhand]

#122 exlight dislike

#123 Wiisp dislike

#124 good content but too hands off, get stuck in Eido. You being cautious because you're not a vanilla I assume - but we still need to push.

#133 dislike gellick

#138 I wait with baited breath to finally see someone else's reads. Like Mao

Scarlet Null

#147 good push on Chaco. Scarlet +

#150 dislike Chaco

#158 yes wiisp I think you should claim

#159 dislike chaco -

ignoring wiisps posts

More content please Eido

#177 dislike exlight -

#179 ff dumbtown

#182 like Eido but you don't type enough. Let me get inside that brain of yours.

still ignoring wiisps posts

3DSNinja afk
ExLight --
gellnick -
Scarlet Rage null
Wam afk
Swiss werewolf
Wiisp indy/scum
Rhand -
FrozenFlame +
Chaco -
Whysper afk
Eido - not vanilla town +
Gorf null
Detective Mao - town ++

Would prefer the Exlight wagon but whatever

Vote: Chaco

Wiisp is top of my list to die.
Rhand can still go - only reason I think he may be town is because Wiisp keeps defending him, hoping he'll flip town.
Scarlet should be a (+) but has a brain so keeping them null
Exlight needs to gear up or go down.
Scarlet, disagree with reasoning as to why Chaco is scum but that doesn't matter anyway.

Chaco is a fairly weak willed player so a good few votes on him should reveal all.

Look at Swiss coaching Eido here. “We still need to push”, “more content please Eido” and “like Eido but you don’t type enough”.
Add to that Swiss calls himself werewolf, I think we have ourselves a traitor.

Vote: Swiss

 

[Shurian]

I was thinking hard.

Yes, rhand has the same idea as me.
Look at Post 69 for more confirmation of traitor. It's why I asked for the memeing above in the first place.

Vote : Swiss

 

[Rhand]

I'm back! I've caught up with the thread, and I have a few things to say.

7 pages later, and you're still talking about the same thing. Sheesh. I do agree with Wiisp in a sense that the argument was mostly NAI, though I do have a townlean on Swiss – I'd be surprised if a wolf was that overly confident from the very beginning. I admit that part of this read is because a lot of our takes seem to overlap, haha.

Eida seems like a newbie town to me; I remember reading one of their takes about the defending thing, and while I personally disagree with it (as it's easy for wolves to get towncred by defending people) it didn't feel like a take that would come from a wolf.

Then my suspicions.

First of all, Whysper still hasn't posted after their initial pop-in. She has a tendency to slank as a scum from what I can recall, so I'd keep an eye out for her. If she doesn't post, I'd be willing to consider killing her, but we also need to keep in mind that this is 120/24. I'm not entirely sure how she's going to play this game. Thankfully, we can just ask!
@Whysper Hey, how are you planning to approach this game?

The most I remember Wiisp doing is defend Rhand and throw in some sideline commentary, despite having lots of posts, and I think that's a problem. Wolves can easily disguise their lack of content by posting a lot of things that don't really say anything, and so far, that's what you've been doing. We're 7 pages in and you're still talking about Rhand not being as scummy as Swiss made them out to be, yet you're not townreading them either; thus avoiding taking a proper stance. I told you guys to drop it already. The action itself is fine, but I feel like you're deliberately prolonging it.
@Wiisp you had a scumread on FrozenFlame, correct? I almost forgot it since you only briefly mentioned it and went right back to talking about Rhand. Can you talk about it more? What made their post bad enough to warrant a scumread?

I was originally a tiiiny bit suspicious of ExLight after reading the thread again, since he seemed to have trouble fitting in and was asking questions that didn't really lead anywhere. There's been a lot of conflict, so I'm surprised they haven't "found anything that pinged them" yet.
However, mental health issues are completely valid – and while that does not make me not suspect them, I'm willing to be more lenient on this case. I hope things go well for you.

I also have something to ask #HBC | Gorf . You here?

I'm sorry this is such a painful wall of text, by the way. I'm still having trouble with formatting. Please bear with me~

This post has good buddy equity. The only town reads Mao deemed worthy talking about are Swiss and Eido.

 

[Rhand]

osieorb18 Shurian your seer checks please?

 

[osieorb18]

I'm actually not unhappy on the idea of Gellnick or Whysper being a buddy for Eido; it matches interaction analysis.

Namedrop analysis suggests ExLight/Mao.

All give a fake green check so that the seer can put their check in thread.
Do not claim red checks unless you are the seer and have one.

I checked Utopian.

Huh, I also got green on Utopian.

 

[osieorb18]

Eido Namedrop Analysis

Swiss - 13
Rhand - 13
Wisp - 11
Gellnick - 10
Whysper - 8

Chaco - 7
Gorf - 5
Frozen - 4
Scarlet Rage - 3
ExLight - 2

Osie - 2
Mao - 1
Wam - 0

Ooh a readlist. Notable reads:

ExLight read is uncomfortably positive. Frozen read is too null. Mao read is too comfortably null, Gellnick/Whysper are too comfortably negative. Any of these players could be buddies.

 

[Shurian]

I got green on FrozenFlame here

 

[Rhand]

Eido Namedrop Analysis

Swiss - 13
Rhand - 13
Wisp - 11
Gellnick - 10
Whysper - 8

Chaco - 7
Gorf - 5
Frozen - 4
Scarlet Rage - 3
ExLight - 2

Osie - 2
Mao - 1
Wam - 0

Ooh a readlist. Notable reads:

ExLight read is uncomfortably positive. Frozen read is too null. Mao read is too comfortably null, Gellnick/Whysper are too comfortably negative. Any of these players could be buddies.

I saw a Gellnick interaction somewhere that I thought was too harsh to be buddies. Let me find it.

 

[Rhand]

Comfortable with Wiisp / Scarlet / Swiss.

There's not enough info for me yet on the impact made by Swiss across the playerlist. I have ideas, but there's no content from a big chunk of the roster.

Unvote
Vote: Gellnick

They feel awkwardly positioned on the side of the discussion, like they are struggling to break in to it.

Here it is. Not being able to blend in would be a big deal. This could’ve started a Gellnick wagon that would be for him to derail later on.

 

[Rhand]

I skimmed 10 pages So far. Eido really hadn’t posted enough to warrant all those strong town reads he was getting. I spotted Mao, Chaco, Exlight and Gellnick doing that.

 

[Shurian]

(Since everything I say would require "but I need to go back and read to be sure", I'll go back and read)

But it is worth noting that I thought Eido town before day ended because of a mindmeld that I now have no memory of.

 

[Rhand]

@gellnick How did you come to the conclusion that Rhand is confidently Town? All you've mentioned of the read is that he's done nothing wolfy. I'm talking about these 2 quotes specifically:

Here he wants to destroy Gellnick’s town read on me. It’s not Gellnick.

 

[osieorb18]

I feel like I'm more likely to know who Shurian is than who Mao is, and I still have no clue who either of them are.

 

[Rhand]

You able to go in to more detail about how Gellnick's post correlates with yours?

You have reads developed that he doesn't. Gellnick has a large block of null reads that might not correlate with yours. It's unclear to me how you're convinced he's Town at this stage.

This was aimed at me. He’s doing it both ways. He wants Gellnick and me to stop townreading each other.

 

[Shurian]

I feel like I'm more likely to know who Shurian is than who Mao is, and I still have no clue who either of them are.

I haven't played a game with you, but I am an informed spectator in the game you are in, which does hamper my reads on you (which I won't give reasonings until the ongoing game is over). Mao can speak for themselves xD.

So...

Werewolves: ???, Eido (DEAD)
Mafia: ???, ???
Traitor: Swiss Cheese

Others Alive:
Osie, Rhand,
Nerbins, Utopian
Mao, Gorf, Whiisp, Gellnick.

I'm missing someone and I dont know who >_>
Lemme do something

 

[Rhand]

Haven't you been reading? There are a lot of advantages to Scum Wiisp claiming here, even if only just for surviving another day. I understand that you're a new player, if I recall correctly, but we've stated a lot of the reasons already. Don't take everything at face-value.

This doesn’t feel like buddy/buddy

 

[Rhand]

The traitor variants I’ve seen included recruiting and they couldn’t win with mafia if they died before getting recruited. I’m assuming it’s not the case here.

Traitor winning with either teams even if they die seems completely nonsensical since they can try to sabotage a team all game and get shot to be silenced and end up winning with them anyway.

ExLight really seems not to know how the game mechanics work. This is town derping.

 

[Rhand]

unvote
vote: Whysper

Chaco/Gellnick/Whysper for me.

He comes from Gellnick, goes to Whysper.
I think it might be newb!scum play and it’s just Chaco here?

 

[Rhand]

I'm signing off for a bit. Will check back later.

Currently I would vote Chaco (UP) / Gellnick / Whysper / Wam / Rhand.

Unvote
Vote: Utopian

I'm still thinking about ExLight. I'm leaning towards not supporting the lynch right now. Their early game is in-your-face and random, like they're riding solo and don't care about their appearance. The 8 pages of squaring up to everyone is so emotionally strong I'm not convinced it's made by Scum (at least not by the Mafia team).

#HBC | Gorf Can you summarise or quote your ExLight points to me again? What do you think of my points above? ^

Hm he lumps two townies on that list and then does vote the Chaco slot.
That ExLight part is yuck. But I have a real hard tome believing Exlight faked his derping. Although Eido did it too saying he thought the cop could find werewolves.

 

[Rhand]

Can we just go Gellnick?

unvote
vote: Gellnick

I can switch to Wam too

Hm Chaco slot back on the table. He switches votes and doesn’t even mention him.

 

[Detective Mao]

ISO of Eido, Swiss style.



Eido/Whysper not a likely team, given how they seem to be comfortable jumping on her wagon at the start

Swiss #50 don't think Swiss is Traitor here

Eido #124 possibly teammates? Directing attention away from Swiss

Eido #182 possibly teammates with Swiss/Wiisp, probably not teammates with gellick, strengthened by #316.

#330 questioning Whysper's low position on Wiisp's readlist even though they themself also have Whysper at the bottom? I don't think this is enough to negate their earlier behavior towards Whysper, but I doubt a teammate would confront their buddy about something like this.

#485 continuous pressure on gellick. These two are definitely not a team.

Adding to #505 which Rhand commented on, the way Eido is trying to talk Rhand out of townreading gellick makes it unlikely for Eido/Rhand to be teammates

#572 8 people, that's a lot. Gellnick is definitely not W/W with them, Whysper's slot has barely posted, Osie's slot was AFK. It seems like they included everyone that wasn't largely townread here, so it'd be likely that they put their teammate in here.

#777 Eido has been defending Wiisp throughout the game, but since Wiisp still has no CC, this could be indicative of TMIng them as town? Then again, this is multiball so it doesn't make much sense.

#827 So far the only people that are - never - scummates with them are gellick and Whysper, based on their handling of these slots.

#1 037 rides on the Chaco-train yet maintains a neutral stance on Utopian

#1 076 Them putting ExLight off their list and soft-defending them when they started getting pressure feels a bit like buddying? It seems unnecessary for them to do this if ExLight was town. Not doing much good for my ExLight read.

#1 222 This seems very abrupt. I feel like Eido/Utopian team would be more likely than an Eido/ExLight team based on this. This would probably make the previous point 'TMIng them as town' which would be same as with Wiisp?

#1 235 ...And as I say that, I must admit it does unsettle me how easily ExLight climbed to the top of their townreads while being under pressure and a possible kill candidate. Bleh.

At this point it's safe to say that the highest team-equity is with ExLight and Utopian, yeah. With Utopian's slot being someone they supposedly scumread yet actively avoided, and ExLight being someone they defended and started townreading for supposedly no reason when it wasn't needed of them specifically, which made it a bit out of place.

 

[Detective Mao]

Also, while I was at it, I noticed something I want to ask

I am liking this new Whysper.
which makes me dislike Mao a bit.

Whysper's replacement has made one (1) post where they said they are going to sleep and will read the thread tomorrow. Did you confuse the replacements?

 

[Shurian]

I mean
It's funny and informative from me to see him slotting my slot (ExLight).

Will talk once more people arrive in thread.

 

[Rhand]

Also, while I was at it, I noticed something I want to ask



Whysper's replacement has made one (1) post where they said they are going to sleep and will read the thread tomorrow. Did you confuse the replacements?

Oh I did apparently.
It’s the new Exlight that I like.

 

[Swiss]

So why did we take Wam over Exlight? Baffling

#1163 +

The only thing I'll say in the

#1212 UP doesnt want wam lynch even though he's potentially on the block himself. Like UP
Reads are good (especially on me)

#1222 Eido pushed Gellick, super hard bus for distance? Or does he just want to get another wagon in to save Exlight?

When a wagon happens this late, this quickly, on someone who wasn't a wagon before - has it ever been a scum lynch?

Chop Chop deadline is 4am for me, if there is a time that's better for all I'd like this

#1217 the only thing i will say in exlights favour is claiming before he replaces out. Toxic yes, but likely as scum, no.
Overall still dislike will lynch

#1273 how gorf didnt call this Wammer time is beyond me

I'd be pissed if I were Eido, redirects aside - likely killed as townie
Scarlet dying tonight surprises me, she wont be useful until D3.

#1284 Wiisp what happened? You've already claimed just speak

#1282 I've been playing years, with a 10 year break.

#1295 Shurian reading SvS on SwissvRhand is surprising. More on this please Shur

#1301 Don't say that, now I have to sus you again as a matter of pride.

#1312 Shur explain again, but simpler? " It can't be T/S or S/S on different teams because I dont think they would try this bullockery without leaving weaker wolves vulnerable " Why not?

skipping mass claim

#1336 my thoughts exactly

skipping up/mao chat as tvt

#1343 I know what you say later, but of course the answer is yes.
Though I WAS right on Eido not being vt...

#1347 bizarre unvote, like just leave it there?

#1365 I did a brain check during the night phase on Rhand, it came back negative.
Your case surmises as I'm a werewolf because:
You coach Eido (why woudn't I use ww chat to coach?)
I called myself a WW.

Now I'm a WW who put his nuts on the line to lynch a claimed cop and help the mafia.

#1366 opportunistic, and as explained, stupid.
Also bold to vote

#1369 Osie what interaction analysis? I see your name drop analysis

#1374 Rhand baffles that I had Eido as town also yet not in this? You've mentioned half the lobby here ( Mao, Chaco, Exlight and Gellnick )

#1379 Shur why are Wiisp, Gorf so low down your reads?

#1383 Rhand all over the place. Now off me and on Chaco/UP

Not my best content, I want a Rhand push toDay.

Vote: Rhand

active people not on wagon:
mao, swiss,

So Mao why didn't you jump on the wagon? Timezones?

Reads same as yesterDay with exception of Wiisp a slight rise.

I am slightly concerned I'm townreading the people who townread me and vice versa. But maybe that's because we have this game on LOCK.



shur / exl
nerbins / whys

 

[Swiss]

OLD
3ds/Osie
ExLight -- lynchable
gellnick null-
Scarlet Rage Town Scientist
Wam no idea
Swiss
Wiisp PR Claim COP lynchable
Rhand - Lynchable
FrozenFlame townlean
Chaco
Whysper lynchable
Eido - Town
Gorf town
Detective Mao - Town

New
3ds/Osie - townlean
ExLight/Shur -- Scum dislike
gellnick null-
Scarlet Rage Town Town Scientist
Wam no idea Town Operator
Swiss - werewolf
Wiisp PR Claim COP null/scumlean
Rhand - Lynchable
FrozenFlame town
Chaco/UP - Toenlean
Whysper/Nerbins scumlean Nerbins content pls
Eido - Town Werewolf
Gorf town
Detective Mao - Town

 

[Swiss]

Also, there are 3 TPR

2 are dead.
So other than cop/seer night actions 2/3 likely to come from scum

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

swiss i have a hard time believing youre ww or mafia but from my skim i think the argument is that youd be coaching eido/tryna kill cop as traitor, and i kinda came to the same conclusion. idk if i believe it yet but in my head, if youre scum youre traitor

 

[Swiss]

Did Eido every do a full reads list? I can't find one

 

[Shurian]

#1379 Shur why are Wiisp, Gorf so low down your reads?

They aren't ordered.
It's based on have I have communicated with.
Is the list misleading?

 

[Detective Mao]

I don't think that's the case.

swiss i have a hard time believing youre ww or mafia but from my skim i think the argument is that youd be coaching eido/tryna kill cop as traitor, and i kinda came to the same conclusion. idk if i believe it yet but in my head, if youre scum youre traitor

I don't think that's the case. In #50 they put an early scumread on Eido for voting Whysper. That would go against his objective of buddying up with Eido, no?

 

[Detective Mao]

...I really want to fix that post. Bleh.

 

[osieorb18]

#1369 Osie what interaction analysis? I see your name drop analysis

That was more some tonal bits I noticed about the interactions, as I was reading.

Btw I almost didn't notice that question and this is why I hate the style of your consciousness wall posts; it's a pain in the ass to skim through the shortform nonsense for interesting **** instead of having more fleshed out content. It's one thing to sort that way, it's another thing to ask questions.

 

[osieorb18]

Did Eido every do a full reads list? I can't find one

Their last post or something.

 

[osieorb18]

Vote: Whysper Chop Chop

 

[Swiss]

swiss i have a hard time believing youre ww or mafia but from my skim i think the argument is that youd be coaching eido/tryna kill cop as traitor, and i kinda came to the same conclusion. idk if i believe it yet but in my head, if youre scum youre traitor

Fine, just stick with me for the moment. and wait for the seer


^ Shur ok ignore, I thought they were ordered.