Mafia and Werewolves Gamethread

[Wiisp]

For various reasons, I'm kinda sure that we have to elim the one remaining wolf here for the game not to end and that sucks.

really? cause this just kills my wim then, I specifically asked if this game was balanced, and a specific order of executes to win is not balance off just one misyeet

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Man if either Mao or Swiss' are wolves and think this hedging on Wisp looks townie, they are totally wrong lol

I'm glad that we are concluding that this game isn't as easy as people were making it out to be yesterday.

its more like the setup was so stacked against town from the jump that I was looking for silver lining

I am also strongly against massclaiming

Lie detector is used as a cop.

This doesn’t change the fact that there’s crucial context missing if rhand honestly thought seer meant lie detector. Like why not advocate for everyone making a testable post? why not challenge several instances through the thread where people equated cop and seer, and other things. I get being confused about wincons or whatever, i don’t get being confused about that and it ONLY coming to light by like pg 28 or whatever

 

[Rhand]

For various reasons, I'm kinda sure that we have to elim the one remaining wolf here for the game not to end and that sucks.

So we got one mislynch only? That's bad design :/

1) I mean I know that but weren’t you one of the higher proponents of sussing Swiss because he was tryna control pr’s?

2) but it doesn’t make sense to me that you’d think a seer is an Oracle yet “seer on me” is a logical request? How can the seer from your eyes at time be “on Swiss” if they’re supposed to ask the mod if a snippet from the thread is truthful or not? And why hadnt you tried making everyone say a statement early in the Day yeaterDay to verify its validity in the same way you hopped in here trying to have everyone make a seer check claim in your entrance toDay?

1) Yeh I was. He tried to attract the doc multiple times. I hate that.
2) Everyone should still claim a seer check. An oracle can always find a post to check, there's no point in taking the thread hostage to create those.

 

[osieorb18]

The crosskill can happen later too I think to re-enable our wincon?
And they can kill their traitor (lol)

Nah, there's ****ery going on and with my night results I'm like 63% sure we're in effective [7T-2M-1N-1W] LyLO.

 

[Rhand]

its more like the setup was so stacked against town from the jump that I was looking for silver lining

I am also strongly against massclaiming



This doesn’t change the fact that there’s crucial context missing if rhand honestly thought seer meant lie detector. Like why not advocate for everyone making a testable post? why not challenge several instances through the thread where people equated cop and seer, and other things. I get being confused about wincons or whatever, i don’t get being confused about that and it ONLY coming to light by like pg 28 or whatever

What on earth would be my scum!motive to fake this confusion then? I don't get why you're making this a thing.

 

[osieorb18]

really? cause this just kills my wim then, I specifically asked if this game was balanced, and a specific order of executes to win is not balance off just one misyeet

Yeah, with our hanky-panky, that 1 misyeet could be gg.

 

[osieorb18]

So we got one mislynch only? That's bad design :/

It's worse; we likely have to elim 1 specific person so that there aren't too many kills this night phase.

 

[Wiisp]

ya but that normally is countered out by the fact that in a multi-ball the other faction is counted as town for parity? right?
but the traitor makes this a bit weird since at any point where it becomes impossible for town to win, he just picks a wolf faction and sides with him

 

[osieorb18]

Sigh

I guess I should make the best of things. Bloody bouncing ********.

I'm pretty sure Nerbins(Whysper)/gellnick are the most effective eliminations here one way or another, and here's to hoping that we don't just lose.

 

[osieorb18]

ya but that normally is countered out by the fact that in a multi-ball the other faction is counted as town for parity? right?
but the traitor makes this a bit weird since at any point where it becomes impossible for town to win, he just picks a wolf faction and sides with him

Wisp, take a text document or a piece of paper and work the numbers out assuming I die tonight from one of the kills.

 

[Wiisp]

osieorb18
what is your read on Rhand right now?

 

[Wiisp]

Wisp, take a text document or a piece of paper and work the numbers out assuming I die tonight from one of the kills.

wait **** man, we can't possible win with this garbage interaction on us, unless you are a wolf
sigh

 

[osieorb18]

osieorb18
what is your read on Rhand right now?

Townlean with tinfoils, highest read of anyone other than you or gorf.

 

[Wiisp]

if we don't execute the faction with one down, we just have to hope that the wolves are deep and they kill each other
but since I am already claimed, I am dying unless there is a protection

welp there goes my wim to care

 

[Rhand]

7-1-2-1
lynch town, no crosskills is 4-1-2-1. Looks like a loss, but some examples of how we can still win after that:

lynch traitor, double crosskill is 4-0-1-0 we can still win
lynch traitor, single crosskill is 3-1-1-0 or 3-0-2-0 we can still win
lynch mafia, double crosskill is 4-0-0-1 we can still win
lynch mafia, single crosskill is 3-0-1-1 or 3-1-0-1 we can still win
lynch werewolf, traitor kill is 4-0-2-0 we can still win
We will need scum to die at Night though to have a chance.

If we lynch the werewolf toDay, assuming mafia doesn't kill the traitor, we go 6-0-2-1 which is nice.
If we lynch the traitor toDay and there's no crosskill, we go 5-1-2-0, which is still ok.
If we lynch mafia toDay and there's no crosskill, we go 5-1-1-1, which is also not the end.

I have no idea why Osie is saying we HAVE to find the werewolf toDay? Any scum will do.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

2) Everyone should still claim a seer check. An oracle can always find a post to check, there's no point in taking the thread hostage to create those.

Entrance to thread

“Since we have open seer, everyone should make a post the seer could check.

I am town.”

really taking the thread hostage with that

What on earth would be my scum!motive to fake this confusion then? I don't get why you're making this a thing.

im making this a thing cuz in my head you’re either spewed town or scum playing dumb. The motive is that you prob couldve honestly thought that at the start of the game, figured it out in private (cuz of course youd do that instead of just posting that in thread), and then say it in thread cuz it was a genuine mistake you had made anyway. plus surely you realize nobody would really take it as something remarkable enough to focus on, i do that **** plenty as scum. Say something that makes me look ignorant in public so that I can sway peoples perspective of me to be more inclined to be townie.

like this

numbers wise, I’ve always played with traitors counting toward town numbers. That meaning that, number wise, it looks more like this right now:

8 v 2 v 1

and that that’s why maf/ww are incentivized to recruit traitor, so they count toward their numbers. Well never figure out if that’s how traitor works cuz we won’t get a good sample pm, but I like to imagine that’s how this works. If it is and we kill wolf, toMorrow numbers look like 7 v 2, which isn’t TERRIBLE. So if we were to kill off maf and ww before traitor dies/gets recruited, town would win despite traitor being alive

but really idk how to ****ing operate cuz we can’t get decent sample pm’s so wtf

 

[Wiisp]

Rhand
well if Osie is town, then there is info we have that y'all don't that makes our worlds a bit different

 

[Wiisp]

well I will say I will never kill gorf today, definitely, my strongest town read
we do have 1 week, but also a very large grouping of possible LHF
I am not voting exlight's replacement either, I think it would take a lot to convince me that they are evil at this point in the game

 

[Rhand]

Entrance to thread

“Since we have open seer, everyone should make a post the seer could check.

I am town.”

really taking the thread hostage with that



im making this a thing cuz in my head you’re either spewed town or scum playing dumb. The motive is that you prob couldve honestly thought that at the start of the game, figured it out in private (cuz of course youd do that instead of just posting that in thread), and then say it in thread cuz it was a genuine mistake you had made anyway. plus surely you realize nobody would really take it as something remarkable enough to focus on, i do that **** plenty as scum. Say something that makes me look ignorant in public so that I can sway peoples perspective of me to be more inclined to be townie.

like this

numbers wise, I’ve always played with traitors counting toward town numbers. That meaning that, number wise, it looks more like this right now:

8 v 2 v 1

and that that’s why maf/ww are incentivized to recruit traitor, so they count toward their numbers. Well never figure out if that’s how traitor works cuz we won’t get a good sample pm, but I like to imagine that’s how this works. If it is and we kill wolf, toMorrow numbers look like 7 v 2, which isn’t TERRIBLE. So if we were to kill off maf and ww before traitor dies/gets recruited, town would win despite traitor being alive

but really idk how to ****ing operate cuz we can’t get decent sample pm’s so wtf

I don't know what to tell you. I never saw a Seer and made a wrong assumption. There's not more to it.

The sign up says traitor can win with either team, so I'm assuming he counts as a body towards them when the other scumteam is dead.

 

[osieorb18]

wait **** man, we can't possible win with this garbage interaction on us, unless you are a wolf
sigh

And since you might understand this, my role in this game compared to yours is equivalent to me being the master of Angie Yonaga, before last night's circumstances. I got a smile on the obvious person I mentioned early this phase.

^ Rhand might also be able to understand this.

 

[osieorb18]

well I will say I will never kill gorf today, definitely, my strongest town read
we do have 1 week, but also a very large grouping of possible LHF
I am not voting exlight's replacement either, I think it would take a lot to convince me that they are evil at this point in the game

Assuming I still give a ****, I'm at this for semi-PoE.

~ Detective Mao

• Frozen Flame
• Nerbins
• gellnick

At the moment I'm on Nerbins, but I'd be down to consider any of the others.

 

[Wiisp]

Osie is a garbage vote today, just saying that
I will never say why, but it him, being a wolf would be wild to me

 

[osieorb18]

EBWOP: Formatting

Assuming I still give a ****, I'm at this for semi-PoE.

~ Detective Mao
–Frozen Flame
–Nerbins
–gellnick

At the moment I'm on Nerbins, but I'd be down to consider any of the others.

 

[Rhand]

Sigh

I guess I should make the best of things. Bloody bouncing ********.

I'm pretty sure Nerbins(Whysper)/gellnick are the most effective eliminations here one way or another, and here's to hoping that we don't just lose.

Darnit Osie are you mafia? You are, aren't you?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I don't know what to tell you. I never saw a Seer and made a wrong assumption. There's not more to it.

its a shame that none of my townreads or wiisp are even willing to call me stupid for thinking about this as hard as I am cuz like idk, I really think this is worth considering one way or another. I just dunno how to sort it

My understanding has been that traitor counts toward town numbers but win with either scum. So if it’s 2town v 2maf v unrecruited traitor, lylo would still have to happen but itd be as easy as maf running a train on a townie and telling the traitor to do the same

 

[osieorb18]

Darnit Osie are you mafia? You are, aren't you?

Nope.

Wiisp I think we ride or die on Rhand being town. Thoughts?

 

[Wiisp]

#HBC | Gorf
i mean if that is the road you are willingly to die on, I have nothing to say
I understand your points, but like its so up in the air right now
I would rather not lose this game on some mechanically incosistency

 

[Wiisp]

Nope.

Wiisp I think we ride or die on Rhand being town. Thoughts?

pretty sure we have to

 

[osieorb18]

I guess there's worse players to be forced to play like this with than Wisp. At least it's someone cute

 

[Wiisp]

i pretty much have to die on you being town as well lol

 

[osieorb18]

pretty sure we have to

Okay...

Rhand I'm Shinichi in every way this game, plus twincest.

 

[Rhand]

its a shame that none of my townreads or wiisp are even willing to call me stupid for thinking about this as hard as I am cuz like idk, I really think this is worth considering one way or another. I just dunno how to sort it

My understanding has been that traitor counts toward town numbers but win with either scum. So if it’s 2town v 2maf v unrecruited traitor, lylo would still have to happen but itd be as easy as maf running a train on a townie and telling the traitor to do the same

Hm even if it works like this, the traitor knows who the mafia are so he just puts his vote on town and we lose. Mafia doesn't even need to tell him where to vote. So for all calculation purposes, we have to count him as a mafia / werewolf evil body.

 

[osieorb18]

Okay...

Rhand I'm Shinichi in every way this game, plus twincest.

Rhand If you get this, do the math and you'll get why everything sucks.

 

[Rhand]

Rhand If you get this, do the math and you'll get why everything sucks.

I've been staring at it. I have no idea what you're trying to tell me lol

 

[osieorb18]

I've been staring at it. I have no idea what you're trying to tell me lol

In the role I have this game, I am Shinichi. Wisp is as cute to me as Sloth is to you.

 

[osieorb18]

People are going to think this is really bad traitor communication, but it's not.

 

[osieorb18]

Rhand Have you read Tintin?

 

[Rhand]

Oh okay lol you're nuts but gotcha.

Yeh I read Tintin. I'm Belgian you know

I am really convinced Gellnick isn't a match with Eido. Whysper.. maybe.

 

[osieorb18]

Oh okay lol you're nuts but gotcha.

Yeh I read Tintin. I'm Belgian you know

I am really convinced Gellnick isn't a match with Eido. Whysper.. maybe.

Spoiler: Tintin metaphor

Imagine Thomson + Thompson smut and you have myself and Wisp this game.

In terms of independently scummy and decently likely, I get Whysper or Mao.

 

[osieorb18]

If you get the tintin metaphor, then you'll get why I'm resorting to this bull**** to solve the game.