Mafia and Werewolves Gamethread

[osieorb18]

Wiisp Rhand So Gorf is probably town, Poyzin might as well be town. I'm kinda liking Shurian and Swiss this round.

 

[osieorb18]

#HBC | Gorf Can I convince you to be the 4th member of towncore with the MtGS crowd (Osie, Wiisp, Rhand)?

 

[Wiisp]

I can't get there on swiss if he continues to play the way he is after we explicitly explained the situation, so I will see how he responds. If he still continues to believe I am a wolf or even mao does, than this game is lost if they are town anyways.

So /shrug
Anyways I have a morning shift, I'll be back later

Frozen needs to play the game today

 

[osieorb18]

Rhand - Are we on the same page?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

#HBC | Gorf Can I convince you to be the 4th member of towncore with the MtGS crowd (Osie, Wiisp, Rhand)?

yea probably, at worst i can operate under that pretense for the time being. also we dont lynch Swiss toDay. ill leave it up to the group to decide if he’s towncore, but i dont think it’d be productive to really consider him a play yet beyond others

 

[osieorb18]

Swiss Shurian Could I get from each of you a specific readlist with explanations on every other living player with the letter e in their username, please?

 

[Rhand]

Yeh Osie I get you.
Then you probably also understand why i thought you were mafia for a second there.

Town
Rhand
Wiisp
Osie (3DS)

Probably town
Gorf
Shurian (Exlight)
Gellnick

Leaves:
Swiss - fits traitor or werewolf
Mao - fits all
Frozen - fits all
Nerbins (Whysper) - fits all
Utopian (Chaco) - fits mafia

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

with those maths thatd leave our lynchpool at 4/6 scum or 3/6 scum, with Swiss possibly being traitor. i like osie on play, im warming up to wiisp more and i don’t mind deferring my rhand read to yall

full transparency, if wiisp is alive by D3 and things are still being left ambiguous, I know I’m gonna start really questioning whether wiisp fakeclaimed cop. i can live with what i have right now though

 

[osieorb18]

full transparency, if wiisp is alive by D3 and things are still being left ambiguous, I know I’m gonna start really questioning whether wiisp fakeclaimed cop. i can live with what i have right now though

Assume trueclaim until I'm dead, please.

 

[osieorb18]

Leaves:
Swiss - fits traitor or werewolf
Mao - fits all
Frozen - fits all
Nerbins (Whysper) - fits all
Utopian (Chaco) - fits mafia

Roughly where I'm at. So need to narrow it down...

 

[Rhand]

Actually Swiss probably traitor or town. I can't see him as werewolf.
I guess it's time to ISO dive Mao and Frozen and see if they have werewolf equity because Nerbins (Whysper) is a blank slot. (and an almost sure scum lynch, just not sure what kind of scum)

 

[Wiisp]

What the hell was up with those UP votes in the morning? And why did Mao end up unvoting?

 

[Rhand]

What was Utopian's read on Eido?

 

[osieorb18]

What the hell was up with those UP votes in the morning? And why did Mao end up unvoting?

Remember we're on the site of the Speedy Go Bye Bye crew.

 

[osieorb18]

What was Utopian's read on Eido?

Null, near the middle.

 

[Rhand]

That doesn't excuse the fact that I don't think Wam is a good option here. I would prefer Whysper or Ex before Wam

Probably not Utopian + Nerbins as a team.

Utopian / Mao
Utopian / Frozen
Nerbins / Mao
Nerbins / Frozen
Mao / Frozen

Which of those teams would kill Eido?
I think Nerbins doesn't have a say there. And Utopian didn't see him as cleared town.
So Mao or Frozen. Didn't Frozen also have him as null? Almost has to be a team with Mao.

 

[Rhand]

Which leaves Frozen and Nerbins as the only possible werewolfs (if all my assumptions and town reads are correct :/ )

 

[osieorb18]

Probably not Utopian + Nerbins as a team.

Assuming you read it as true.

 

[Rhand]

Assuming you read it as true.

Even without that spew, Eido seems like a weird kill for them.

 

[osieorb18]

Eido said nothing about Mao and casually had them as town.

Mao mentions Eido in:

You asking Eido a single question with no pressure isn't as meaningful as you're making it out to be.

Haven't you been reading? There are a lot of advantages to Scum Wiisp claiming here, even if only just for surviving another day. I understand that you're a new player, if I recall correctly, but we've stated a lot of the reasons already. Don't take everything at face-value.

 

[osieorb18]

Even without that spew, Eido seems like a weird kill for them.

Fair.

 

[Shurian]

Mechanical talk usually derails the thread:
BUT HEY LETS DO IT AMIRITE

There is no need to recruit the traitor (how do you even do that). The Traitor is effectively anti-town who just wants Town to lose at all costs.

This setup upon further hindsight is ridiculously scumsided lmfao. 9 v (2v2)+1 with double KP LEL. The multikill would let the town lose by D3 in certain setups.

You have 2 factional kills from each faction.
7 v (2 v 1)+1 is the correct current situation.


While crosskills can happen, scum's main motivation would be to kill obvtown (lol Eido)

IF we were to mislynch, we would be down another 2 players and hoping for another crossfiring is just wishful thinking. You do what you can control, no? 4 v (2 v 1)+1 is the worst case scenario upon mislynching.

If we were to lunch the Traitor, we would still have that 2 factional kills. While we would earn information, it can come at a very big sacrifice (2 town prolly dies). But we would go into a MyLo situation 5 v (2+1) that if crossfiring happens, would lead to either a 4 v (1v1) or 4 v 2

Ideally~ we would find the WW and (obliterate) him but that remains only a possibility. Which turns Killpower to only 1
6 v 2+1 - To which we will have a very big advantage as the double killpower is gone.

(Insert break line here because mobile and I cant forum)

I very firmly believe that Swiss is the traitor. I don't see this ever going to change, as I need to be able to press my reads, else I'd never be able to face firekitten when he does another deepwolf.

(Insert 10th time saying reading 9th page onwards)

 

[osieorb18]

Eido/Frozen:

=511493&c[users]=Eido]Eido on Frozen
Frozen on Eido:

Eido is a very promising rookie

eido is probably good

can you unpack the bolded for me?

here's where I'm at now, not an ordered list

Not a play:

Chaco
Gorf
Swiss
Wam
Mao

Meh:
ExLight
Scarlet Rage
Eido

Can go:
3DSNinja
gellnick
Wiisp
Rhand
Whysper

I JUST got caught up and barely but wiisp is claim town cop, SR "counterclaimed" wiisp thinking her role, town scientist, was mutually exclusive with town cop as an investigative (she just didn't read the setup post clearly), and swiss is trying to pull ryker-esque NR management amid the chaos which also comes as zero ****ing surprise

 

[osieorb18]

I very firmly believe that Swiss is the traitor. I don't see this ever going to change, as I need to be able to press my reads, else I'd never be able to face firekitten when he does another deepwolf.

I know you probably won't understand why, but we shouldn't worry about Swiss if we think they are traitor.

 

[osieorb18]

EBWOP:

Eido on Frozen

 

[Shurian]

I do find it funny that Eido's team found a PR threatening at N1 when they outed their full role which wouldnt do anything until N2, so that's food for thought.

I can't be sure what the maf team was thinking but they should have went by "haha obvtown go boom"... probably. Either they saw the soft and wanted to use the traitor as a body shield while they kill off the WW faction.

I will have no tolerance for "derp mech clears" from this point onwards.

Prepares Cannon, has no ammo yet

I know you probably won't understand why, but we shouldn't worry about Swiss if we think they are traitor.

I'm guessing it's because we want the WW out first. Even if traitor is found, it's not definite until they actually flip, and we all know what preflips associations can lead to.

 

[osieorb18]

I'm guessing it's because we want the WW out first. Even if traitor is found, it's not definite until they actually flip, and we all know what preflips associations can lead to.

Traitor doesn't have a kill, but in general, yeah, we want the werewolf out toDay.

 

[osieorb18]

And if the host made the traitor inherit the kill from werewolves, there will be words.

 

[Detective Mao]

Boo.

with those maths thatd leave our lynchpool at 4/6 scum or 3/6 scum, with Swiss possibly being traitor. i like osie on play, im warming up to wiisp more and i don’t mind deferring my rhand read to yall

full transparency, if wiisp is alive by D3 and things are still being left ambiguous, I know I’m gonna start really questioning whether wiisp fakeclaimed cop. i can live with what i have right now though

I was more or less expecting someone to CC Wiisp today, but after all this mechanical talk about having to hit scum today and no CC, I'm willing to accept Wiisp as town. Bleh.

What the hell was up with those UP votes in the morning? And why did Mao end up unvoting?

I was mostly baffled at Utopian's play, because they seemed to whole-heartedly believe that what they were doing was reasonable ¯\(ツ)/¯

 

[Rhand]

I know you probably won't understand why, but we shouldn't worry about Swiss if we think they are traitor.

Yeh it makes me sad, but we're never lynching him

 

[osieorb18]

Detective Mao - How experienced did you say you were?

 

[Wiisp]

Well why wouldn't he from his perspective?
Read my posts, I'm not a wolf either way, I never was, you don't need to accept anything.

Exlight is easily town here, and Eido was a wolf, so y'all have been completely wrong imo, and you don't even want to try to evaluate anything naturally, just haha kill low hanging fruit

I will reread your interactions this morning to see if they make sense once I get home

Frozen has been ironically been a complete hypocrite with their playstyle, while calling me out for being a god, and ****ting on people's reads. When I never really tried to go that route, and I have no idea if that is their route either, but they are certainly a big hypocrite. And it's even more hilarious that people are calling that behavior NAi from them, which even more proves my point

I want to see some real reads on that slot, like it's not hard.

 

[Detective Mao]

Detective Mao - How experienced did you say you were?

Less than a year. Was on a break for a few months before joining this one.

I'm currently ISOing a few people, brb

 

[Rhand]

Eido/Frozen:

=511493&c[users]=Eido]Eido on Frozen
Frozen on Eido:

Heh so Frozen called Eido good but lumped him in his null reads.
Big chance we have the werewolf.

Vote: #HBC | FrozeηFlame

 

[osieorb18]

Heh so Frozen called Eido good but lumped him in his null reads.
Big chance we have the werewolf.

Vote: #HBC | FrozeηFlame

Is that better than the hypothetical of two inexperienced wolf players never interacting in the thread?

 

[osieorb18]

Other Werewolf seems like it's definitely in Frozen/Mao here...

 

[Rhand]

Is that better than the hypothetical of two inexperienced wolf players never interacting in the thread?

Mao? I’m thinking she is on the other scumteam.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I’d actually say that, if we’re taking Swiss/osie/wiisp/rhand/me out of the equation, frozen is most likely to try shooting the universal townread over the claimed cop. So mafia

 

[Rhand]

Other Werewolf seems like it's definitely in Frozen/Mao here...

Why not Whysper?

 

[Detective Mao]

Other Werewolf seems like it's definitely in Frozen/Mao here...

Any reason why you're singling out my interactions with Eido while ignoring the fact that I haven't interacted with people properly during the last few days? The fact that you originally pointed out?