Mafia and Werewolves Gamethread

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

lmao bro no one said your interpretation was "absurd" why do you people keep inventing ****

I literally just said you were wrong to blatantly call us wrong for interpreting wiisp's claim as not a straightforward clear because your math was wrong because you did not understand how traitor actually worked in this game. You made a fallacious assumption based on anecdotal experience and I told you your math was wrong as a result and you were wrong to project that anecdotal experience to this game like that because it's overtly fallacious.

sorry that someone walking you through your fallacy is detrimental to your mental health but like dude, YOU were the one talking down to us first. no you're just mad because you were shown to be wrong in your assumptions

 

[ExLight]

bro

and don’t ****ing call me bro

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

geez are you serious? i think ff only went that in cuz of how staunchly you were positioning yourself as being smarter than people who see a motive for scum!wiisp to claim cop, while also being so confidently wrong about the setup.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

alright im gonna step away for a bit, Ill try to get back this evening after a re-read

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

geez are you serious? i think ff only went that in cuz of how staunchly you were positioning yourself as being smarter than people who see a motive for scum!wiisp to claim cop, while also being so confidently wrong about the setup.

literally this

 

[ExLight]

I literally just said you were wrong to blatantly call us wrong for interpreting wiisp's claim as not a straightforward clear because your math was wrong because you did not understand how traitor actually worked in this game.

Those were two separate topics for me, us discussing traitor mechanics don’t affect how I interpret Wiisp’s claim in any way.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Those were two separate topics for me, us discussing traitor mechanics don’t affect how I interpret Wiisp’s claim in any way.

how does it have no effect? how can you possibly be writing off the possibility of traitor!wiisp?

 

[Wiisp]

Still don't want to vote Exlight

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

and on top of that, even if YOU subjectively are writing off that possibility, where the **** do you get off calling others wrong for not agreeing with you in making that assumption? like your projection is insane

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

I don't want to vote exlight either atm I legit think hes just embaressed at being so wrong about the setup and lashing out at me for exposing it but like it's really bizarre how he can't see his own projection, it almost feels TMI

 

[Wiisp]

and on top of that, even if YOU subjectively are writing off that possibility, where the **** do you get off calling others wrong for not agreeing with you in making that assumption? like your projection is insane

Welcome to mafia, how may I serve you. Mafia is literally just projection of what you believe, some people are more pleasant in their approach. Regardless of your or Swiss' alignment, you both are not. You have no idea how to interact with people, and I don't care if you think I'm make a huge leap in judgement.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

i think id be down to lynch chaco but id rather wait till tomorrow to decide that

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

im down to lynch gellnick too but the only thing that makes me not in love with a gellnick or whysper lynch is the lack of interactions theyve had/people have had with them

 

[ExLight]

how does it have no effect? how can you possibly be writing off the possibility of traitor!wiisp?

If he’s traitor he’s putting a target on his back for the Mafia team to shoot, should we really care in this case?

geez are you serious? i think ff only went that in cuz of how staunchly you were positioning yourself as being smarter than people who see a motive for scum!wiisp to claim cop, while also being so confidently wrong about the setup.

I don’t find myself smarter than anyone here, and I’m sorry if I came off like that at the heat of the moment because I disagreed with people. I do think voting a claimed open role that wasn’t countered an absurd play though, and I already tried to present a explanation for it.

and I wasn’t confident about anything in the setup? The host didn’t seem to give a **** about explaining the rules other than the very basic. I literally pinged them asking for clarification because I was aware I could be wrong about it.

 

[ExLight]

I don't want to vote exlight either atm I legit think hes just embaressed at being so wrong about the setup and lashing out at me for exposing it but like it's really bizarre how he can't see his own projection, it almost feels TMI

ok boomer

 

[Wiisp]

ok boomer

Lmao

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

If he’s traitor he’s putting a target on his back for the Mafia team to shoot, should we really care in this case?

I don’t find myself smarter than anyone here, and I’m sorry if I came off like that at the heat of the moment because I disagreed with people. I do think voting a claimed open role that wasn’t countered an absurd play though, and I already tried to present a explanation for it.

and I wasn’t confident about anything in the setup? The host didn’t seem to give a **** about explaining the rules other than the very basic. I literally pinged them asking for clarification because I was aware I could be wrong about it.

i do feel you, but yea it definitely came off to me like that. i think ff ****in went in but it was frustrating to see the perceived hubris just kinda transfer over in real time.

and i totally feel you on the setup clarity thing. were all making assumptions sbout how the game works to a degree surely

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Welcome to mafia, how may I serve you. Mafia is literally just projection of what you believe, some people are more pleasant in their approach. Regardless of your or Swiss' alignment, you both are not. You have no idea how to interact with people, and I don't care if you think I'm make a huge leap in judgement.

you don't understand what the word projection means but ok go off

Obviously mafia is comprised of advocating for subjective positions, any social deduction game with information asymmetry involves that. That doesnt mean you can rely on anecdote to make argument when your anecdotal basis for the argument is contradicted by the explicit ruleset. Exlight committed a blatant fallacy, didnt realize it, was wrong as a result, and is now lashing out because he's embarrassed by the mistake. Thats different from us just having differing viewpoints due to subjective positions and different weights to the available evidence based on what we subjectively know or dont know.

But yeah spare me the lecture about not knowing how to interact with people, pretty sure the guy who opened with "ok boomer" and attempted ridicule of me for being in a "meme group" isn't exactly an authority on etiquette. This is a game entirely predicated on argument, calling people out for being blatantly wrong is part of it. If you think people's in game personality is directly reflective of their out of game personality, I have a bridge to sell you...

 

[Wiisp]

Lmao if I wanted to actually insult you, you would see it. But also spare me who the whole, "it's day 1 I don't need to rush", clearly our playstyle are radically different if you are actually town here. Still seriously have my doubts, but it's not like any wants to vote you, and I'm willing to trust Rhand thoughts atm

 

[ExLight]

I didn’t commit fallacy for using my background experience as a base when making assumptions wtf
that’s how literally everyone works

 

[Wiisp]

Well **** y'all are all blatantly wrong on my alignment, so damn

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

the mvp of the Day is truly scarlet

 

[ExLight]

the mvp of the Day is truly scarlet

can’t wait for it to be a massive scum fake claim big brain play and everyone just be shocked

 

[Wiisp]

can’t wait for it to be a massive scum fake claim big brain play and everyone just be shocked

I know you aren't being serious but I still want to say this
I think the whole confusion with the name of the role and it's ability seems highly unlikely to be fake

 

[ExLight]

I know you aren't being serious but I still want to say this
I think the whole confusion with the name of the role and it's ability seems highly unlikely to be fake

yea I’m not serious

any scum fake claiming anything is a bit silly because it makes the other scum team kill them

I don’t think he’d make such a detailed claim this fast just to increase his risk of getting shot by someone

 

[Wiisp]

Does anyone know exactly what time EoD is?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I’m assuming 11:00 pm est tomorrow based on when the D1 begins post was made

 

[Wiisp]

Ohh perfect I will be around for EoD despite my long shifts today and tomorrow

 

[ExLight]

so uh
what now

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I mean you requested to replace out. I’d encourage you to stay, are you retracting the replace?

 

[Wiisp]

Wait who replaced now... And no there is no retracting replacements, and you should not be posting

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I’ve always understood that it’s fine to do so long as the mod hasn’t made a statement about it etc

exlight requested replacement near the end of him and ff bickering

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

And by fine I mean not fine really dumb and bad but not unacceptable

 

[Wam]

so uh
what now

We look at options outside of Scarlet and Wiisp.

I re read Ex light!

Or we give up on anything intelligent and thoughtful and just lynch a lurker.

The line above is sarcasm! Just making sure!

 

[ExLight]

I mean you requested to replace out. I’d encourage you to stay, are you retracting the replace?

no but I’m not gonna be inactive while they don’t find a replacement

 

[Chop Chop]

Seriously? Who’s replacing out now?
Like Chaco replaced out in thread instead of DM so I’ll say this now,
If you intend to replace out, let me know in DM’s please.

 

[Chop Chop]

I’d prefer if no one else replaces out as it’s difficult to try and keep finding replacements but we can’t all have nice things so I don’t stress about it too much.

 

[gellnick]

Ok, catching up a bit.

osieorb18 has replaced 3DSNinja

Hi osieorb18 !

#436 just realised i've been spelling gellnick wrong

LOL no worries people do that all the time...

#509 Gellick no brain. Repeating push on me townie

Appreciated -_-

I am the Town Cop

Ok WHAT? I did not see this coming. I'll believe it in absence of a CC before.

There rhand read feels tmi to me. I think rhands play is still scummy but I could squint and see a neutral read. Not a strong town read.

Anything you want clarified? Admittedly you're currently my second scumread atm, so I'm not too surprised you don't like either of us.

Do Gellnick / Rhand have a history of playing together? The hard-town reads they both have is something I'm thinking about.

Nope, unless Rhand has played on M451 or CD.

You’re all completely out of your mind if you think lynching a claimed and uncountered open power role is a remotely decent idea.

Fully agree, if a CC comes along we can elim but otherwise there's literally no point.

Whisp isn't likely town cop. I can't quote the right post for the life of me.

I am the town scientist. On MS, we call it parity cop. Originally, I was sent the label of detective, which I objected to because MS has a different role for detective. Y'all have weird names here.

I check one person each night. I get told if the prior person matches their alignment.

That existing with a cop is unlikely.

I planned on checking Chaco slot tonight.

Uhhhhhhhh
Oman, now 2 powerful PRs claimed. That's great.

coordinating in the early game while scum has full resources is the worst thing town can do because scum can disrupt it easily and it baffles me none of these “veterans” seem to realize that

Yes. Yes. Yes. This. I'm liking ExLight more and more right now, townlean.

my problem with Exlight is he accuses me ofstill pushing the Wiisp lynch after a cop claim -whichI realise people will dislike but whatever - because I don’t want a cop around

but then he also accuses me of having a way to manipulate the cop - which is why I’m ok with the cop being around

Scum do have a power role of some sort, as well as the Traitor being a JOAT. Not entirely sure I like this, the part about "which is why I'm ok with the cop being around" seems somewhat scummy to me.

We know there IS a cop. If Wiisp fake claims, he WILL get outed sooner or later.

I'm not sure why some people don't understand this lol.

a counterclaim actually guarantees a scum death in 2 phases which is better than most of cop performances

Yeah, it is a decent way to use cop but I don't think it's the most efficient or effective way.

it makes literally no sense for scum to claim cop in this setup and yall losing it

 

[Swiss]

Out of game post

Skimmed as was too interested not too. Saw too much anger

Alignments side - everything else aside - let’s all remember this is a game and done For fun and the enjoyment of musing over things.

Im sorry for any part I played in making this game turn more aggressive.

Exlight don’t replace.

Im deliberately contentious, sensationalist and dismissive sometimes because I feel it can help progress the game. But I feel the way I started this game set a precedent- especially for people who don’t know what it’s like to play with me.

So let’s all take a cool shower (not together).

content tomorrow

 

[Swiss]

And you guys are never getting a nice post out of me again so hold onto this while you can