Mafia All Stars: In the end, it was Nothing Special

[X1-12]

Yes, says me. What would have been a numbers game is becoming more complex as a result, so a scum victory is possible with the current turn of events.

You have no support. No-one is acting with you. No-one believes you. Praxis is not going to claim toDay. If you believe Tan is a cultists or scum burglar, fortunately there are ways and means to clarify this, and if we catch one, we catch them all. How fortunate. If you're going to make some dramatic/pathetic gesture then do it now and save us your garbage.

Doc protect Seph (maybe yourself?)
Seph watch Tan
Tan recruit me
I stalk Swords/Mac

 

[Praxis]

Stop rolefishing me, OS.

Details on the information that will be revealed toNight has been breadcrumbed to hell and back. You'll be able to look at my flip, compare to the role PM in the original game, and instantly figure out everything and know as much as I do (more, in fact).

And if I live, I'll role claim and open up my next set of decisions to town.

This is not the case with Macman, who gives us jack squat if he dies toNight.

As to likelyhood of town, Tandora is confirmed not-scum- and not-cultist-recruiter barring a N3 recruit, and her prior mason partner flipped town. Macman is an enormous question mark.

You have 10x more information on me than Macman. Probably more, from his horrible post history.

 

[Overswarm]

Explain the numbers game.

Your original "numbers game" was to use Tandora recruits to clear people. Suddenly she may have been recruited by a cultist or scum, so now you want to lynch her and I. By that point, we'll have two more town deaths, and potentially be in lylo if a vig kill hits town, with no cleared players. How are you planning to clear town if I claim a role that will be useless upon my claiming and Macman full claims vig and Swords dies?

My not claiming will turn this game in to a numbers game toMorrow with confirmed information, and your tunneling me is the only thing interfering with that. Be productive and participate instead of pouting.

Yeah, no. The "numbers game" is to have Tandora recruit people so we can direct scum and then Tandora dies so we get a clear. Tandora hasn't died.

Read between the lines Praxis.

Tandora is alive. Her ability can do a lot of good for town. This is a good thing. What isn't a good thing is we don't have her confirmed as anything, only claimed. We should keep her alive, right? But what if she's anti-town and just claiming burglar? Do we just leave her alone and wait for scum, which could be Zen or Sephiroths Masamune, kill Tandora? That'd confirm it. But that's not the best way to go about it. That's the opposite of "best". We shape the mentality of the game in our interests.




But explain this to me, Praxis:

Your ability is going to affect both me and EE

if my guess is right, both me and EE are going to be killed somehow, unless you have a cop investigation; after all, we're mod confirmed.

You claim to have done other abilities and "breadcrumbed" for Tandora, which you will state in your masonry.

You claim to have a "unique role"

So now you have to be protected by the Doc, right?

The watcher has to watch someone, I'd assume Tandora, who can pick whoever town picks.


You're confused as to how this would seem anti-town from someone else's point of view? If you don'th ave to answer, why does Macman?

 

[Praxis]

Doc protect Seph (maybe yourself?)
Seph watch Tan
Tan recruit me
I stalk Swords/Mac

Doc should make his protect decision after we see the flips.

If whoever dies flips vig, protect Seph.

If whoever dies flips town not vig or scum, protect the survivor or Seph.

Should we have someone use a night action on Tandora? Say, have OS hose down Tandora? Hard-confirms he's not using J's janitor'd role as a safeclaim and scumbuddies with X1?

 

[Praxis]

Stop rolefishing me, OS.

I'll deal with Tandora.

 

[Praxis]

interesting you chose Green, praxis. A minor bit irritating too. What do you think of this macman?



also, praxis and macman ARE in teh same boat. We have no confirmation of either Praxis or Macman, and neither are assumed town.

Would you have preferred I use bold?

 

[X1-12]

Should we have someone use a night action on Tandora? Say, have OS hose down Tandora? Hard-confirms he's not using J's janitor'd role as a safeclaim and scumbuddies with X1?

sounds good.

If vig is lynched - protect Seph
If Swords and Mac are still both alive - protect Seph
If 1 of Swords and mac are alive and vig has not flipped - 50/50 protect whichever of the aforementioned 2 is alive Or seph. (don't say which)

Seph watches Tan
OS hoses down Tan
Tan recruits Me
I stalk Mac/Swords


any other changes?

 

[Praxis]

We're good.

Now we need Macman to talk and address my questions and his bad play.

 

[Praxis]

The scummiest players in teh game right now are you and Tandora, Praxis, followed by Macman, all because of your reluctance to claim.

Tandora has claimed, twice! Are you dense??

 

[Overswarm]

I don't know why everyone keeps thinking I'm saying "tandora claim". Tandora has been acting scummy in accordance with your reluctance to claim.

 

[Praxis]

OS, wash Tandora toNight.

Macman, claim.

Everyone else, prep for this.

sounds good.

If vig is lynched - protect Seph
If Swords and Mac are still both alive - protect Seph
If 1 of Swords and mac are alive and vig has not flipped - 50/50 protect whichever of the aforementioned 2 is alive Or seph. (don't say which)

Seph watches Tan
OS hoses down Tan
Tan recruits Me
I stalk Mac/Swords


any other changes?

Someone vote Macman to get him to L-2.

Macman claim so we can decide on a death.

 

[X1-12]

doing it in 5 minutes

no-one else try to vote

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I just woke up. Tired of fighting it so:

I'm bowser Jr, town serial killer/tracker. I can choose to track or kill someone each night. n1 I killed scamp, n2 and n3 I tracked OS and EE respectively.

Should I confirm who they visited?

I'll respond to other stuff in a bit

 

[Overswarm]

WTF wouldn't you claim that earlier?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

What did you write??

You claimed vig.

Then you wouldn't tell us why your night action failed, wouldn't tell us if it was indicative of a scum role or not, acted as if you shouldn't be expected to have an explanation, parrotted my reasons for not claiming which are very, very specific to my unusual role, and told us that your post history should make you look town.

If I was a normal vig, how would I know why my night action didn't go through? Asking me to explain it doesn't make sense and would require more knowledge of other peoples roles/

I just reviewed your post history. It's horrible. You take virtually no stances, comment on the obvious the entire game, are constantly apologizing for inactivity, claim to have skimmed repeatedly, and oddly for some reason Tandora considered you town early on.

I was just inactive, I don't remember much of the early game but I'm sure I wasn't scummy. I tend to have a problem with getting into games especially when they start and then this game started being about night actions so I was losing interest entirely. I also felt that people would just let me keep being inactive because of my stance on d1's lynch which was incredibly anti town. I know that this is pretty anti-town of something to think but w/e when I feel like obvtown I don't care to prove that I'm town.

My post history is horrible, but is it scummy? Does it lead you to believe I'm scum? And yes you were annoying me because everything I said in my previous posts should be more than enough to convince you that i'm town or at the very least that I shouldn't die today. I didn't wanna have to claim my full role.

We need to know:

A) Why no one died N3
B) Whether no one dying N3 might be related to a scum role
C) Whether you need doc protection
D) What you think of people, because you have virtually no usable activity to reference!!

A and B shouldn't have had to been answered by me if I was a normal vig which is what you should have thought from my claim. The idea taht you kept pushing it was odd.
C, i mean I would like it but idk if I'm the best choice.
D, Like I said before I don't remember much from the early game but I do remember thinking you and LL were obv town. Those thoughts are gone now though. And there isn't much to pull people alignments from, since this game strayed a way from scumhunting I feel like their less info to judge people from. If sword's doesn't turn out to be scum, then how will we be able to figure out who the true scum is? Especially given the fact that town seems to want to let roles clear people. I've spoken up all game about how role may not be indicative of alignment simply because my role isn't.

You're not in the same situation as me. I'm likely to be town (confirmed town assuming Tandora's role clause about "some" to be a game-specific red herring), you're going to be Night Killed if Swords flips not-vig, and I've breadcrumbed the hell out of my role and night actions in a manner that will be very, very easily determined with my flip. You've contributed virtually no content, expect us to believe you simply because Swords cannot respond, have no breadcrumbs, won't help us to figure out scum's abilities, and are parrotting my reasons for not claiming.

There are many people in this game who are lacking in content, and then many others whose content is just related to night actions and roles. Don't start coming at me for lack of information when it's like this with multiple people.

Full claim. We're not going to think you're scum if your role sounds scummy; the only remotely breadcrumby post I could find was this:



I've already even suggested that the doctor could be scum, so don't worry about that if that's what you're thinking. You could be Satan, Town Vigilante and I probably won't question it if we can verify the original game.

I didn't really care much about role sounding scummy, i just wanted to keep the tracker part secret.

so ya

 

[#HBC | Mac]

also, i'm pretty sure in the original game the serial killer could both track and kill in the same night, this is different than in mine.

 

[Praxis]

Thanks Macman.

If I was a normal vig, how would I know why my night action didn't go through? Asking me to explain it doesn't make sense and would require more knowledge of other peoples roles/

You would have been able to tell us if you didn't submit a night action, or if you did and it failed, implying roleblocker/doctor/bulletproof.

I was just inactive, I don't remember much of the early game but I'm sure I wasn't scummy. I tend to have a problem with getting into games especially when they start and then this game started being about night actions so I was losing interest entirely. I also felt that people would just let me keep being inactive because of my stance on d1's lynch which was incredibly anti town. I know that this is pretty anti-town of something to think but w/e when I feel like obvtown I don't care to prove that I'm town.

My post history is horrible, but is it scummy? Does it lead you to believe I'm scum? And yes you were annoying me because everything I said in my previous posts should be more than enough to convince you that i'm town or at the very least that I shouldn't die today. I didn't wanna have to claim my full role.

Macman, how is your post history supposed to prove you are town? There's nothing in there that looks townie.

Yes, inactivity is scummy if it is consistent and no attempt to take stances is done when activity begins. Scum doesn't want to be connected to scum. Look what GLG started doing when it became obvious he was scum.

There are many people in this game who are lacking in content, and then many others whose content is just related to night actions and roles. Don't start coming at me for lack of information when it's like this with multiple people.

Who?

You, Swords (about to be modkilled), and Lionel Luthor (being prodded in to submission). Who else has posted almost no content?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

everyone else except you, OS(tho he can soemtimes be the densest when it comes to focusing strictly on nightactions), and EE recently all have not posted any content relating to scumhunting. I'm not including content that boils to, oh i did this to this person last night or this pr shud target this person tonight.

also, no as a vig there are many reason why I wouldn't know why my kill didn't go through. Trying to force a response is an issue.

You would have been able to tell us if you didn't submit a night action, or if you did and it failed, implying roleblocker/doctor/bulletproof.

Why didn't you just ask whether or not I submitted a night action instead of asking why it failed?

My history is sposed to prove i'm town solely based on my d1 endday stance. I've said this multiple times today.

Inactivity can be scummy and it can not regardless of whether its consistent or not. It has more to do with a player's meta and extenuating circumstances really. I'm not saying that my inactivity shouldn't be a reason to lynch someone, because it should be on the basis that the inactivity is vastly anti-town and the lack of information from that person is troubling, however i do not think it makes me look scummy at all.

 

[Praxis]

Bowser Jr.

Role: Independent Serial Killer Tracker
Abilities: Each night you may send me the command "Cut: NAME". This player will be targeted with a lethal action. You may not target yourself. You may elect to use the command "Cut: No Target". Each night you can target a player by sending me the command "Track: NAME". You will be told if that player visited NAME(s) OR None. You may not target yourself. You may elect to use the command "Track: No Target".
Kart Partner: SwordsRBroken
Position: Shooter; you may use the command "Switch" during any night phase. If both you and your Kart Partner use this command on the same night, you will switch positions at the start of the next day. You will be told if your partner used this command at the start of each day regardless. One time while you are in the driver position, you will be bulletproof. You may only use your active abilities (anything besides your voice, vote, your ability to night kill, and ability to switch) when you are in the shooter position. Losing your partner will result in you being able to switch back and forth through the use of the "Switch" command. You may elect to use the command "Don't Switch".
Safe Claim:

Does this look like your role PM?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

There are a few key differences, I'm hesitant to say them due to modkill and stuff

 

[#HBC | Mac]

also yes os, the lime green was interesting though I doubt it's telling

 

[Praxis]

@ town, does anyone have a mod PM that is different from their original games? You don't need to say how.


@ Macman, k, I would very, very strongly like to advise you to improve my play, but I'm up to letting Swords get modkilled toNight.

Interested in vigging Lionel Luthor toNight?

Alternatively, I'd be really interested to have you track Zen and Zen doc protect you, and the two of you report your results. Seph watch Tandora (Tandora, answer the question about your number of Mason Recruits please).

Town thoughts?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

@ town, does anyone have a mod PM that is different from their original games? You don't need to say how.


@ Macman, k, I would very, very strongly like to advise you to improve my (did you mean 'your'?)play, but I'm up to letting Swords get modkilled toNight.

so are you not gonna respond to my post?

 

[Praxis]

Yeah, I meant your.

also, no as a vig there are many reason why I wouldn't know why my kill didn't go through. Trying to force a response is an issue.
Why didn't you just ask whether or not I submitted a night action instead of asking why it failed?

The response I was trying to force from you was to get whether you made a decision that resulted in no NK, or whether you attempted a NK and nothing happened.

As to your past history, I'll grant you your argument, but scum ships happen. Having a solid stance on scum on D1 and then playing completely anti-town and useless the rest of the game isn't townie play.

Also, I wanted to push your role because I don't believe this game has any "traditional" roles. In retrospect, we should be demanding a full claim from Zen, too. Zen, who is your character?


Regardless, you've got a convincing enough argument that I'm favoring letting Swords get modkilled. What are your thoughts on target toNight?

I will claim myself immediately when the day begins.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I'm not sure what i'm doing tonight yet, I still need time to think about what the options are.

also, should I say who OS and FF visited?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

thats directed to all of town

 

[Praxis]

Please do.
We can verify what OS has told us in the past, and FF was scum.

So...you didn't kill Frozenflame? 0_o

I wonder if Gheb primed him D1, ignited him D2, and lied about it.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Yea, i can't take credit for the ff kill

 

[Evil Eye]

I'd like to hear your visitations, Mac, yeah. Agree with a Zen/Mac protection-track combo, as well. It would confirm some pretty vital stuff, though I've had more of a uselesstown read on Zen than scum. I was burning for his death before he claimed, when I was watching as an observer, so that's valuable info for me.

Also, Mac, what do you make of OS's play in this game? Especially toDay? Some of his theories are so half-baked and implausible -- and for reasons rooted in mechanics and fact, his specialty -- that it has been making my hair stand on end. I also was quite disturbed by seeing him suggest a vigkill on my because I'm good at mafia. That's SwordsRBroken-level stupid right there. At the same time I see a lot of consistency with how he approached Bioware, and can see him behaving this way, since this time no one wants to listen to him. It muddies my read in both directions, and I trust your skill and alignment, so I'd like your thoughts.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

To be honest, I need to reread stuff because my reads on like everyone are non existent.

My thoughts on OS have changed alot though and despite is sometimes knuckleheaded ideals/theories I think the way he's been going about trying to push town is consistent with his town meta though. So right now I think he's town.

OS visited sephiroth and EE visited noone.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Interested in vigging Lionel Luthor toNight?

Vigging Teran is win win no matter what. If he's town, he can't paticipate in the kill anyways and it takes him away from lyol. If he's scum/indy, yay!

Alternatively, I'd be really interested to have you track Zen and Zen doc protect you, and the two of you report your results.

This is a dumb idea, we already know that Zen has an ability that isn't an NK ability (when I watched him target Tandora). Him targeting Macman and vice versa wont prove that he's doc at all.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

He could be both a doc and have the mafia kill. In this case he'd be able to target two people which you watching 1 person wouldn't see.

 

[Overswarm]

also yes os, the lime green was interesting though I doubt it's telling

Praxis, did you read between the lines? I've been hoping you've been picking up on things. :B


Macman, why, pray tell, is it telling?

Indies flip purple.
Town flip blue.
Mafia flip red.


It's all in the first post.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I said I don't think it's telling.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Because personally I didn't see a problem with it until i looked at my role pm again. Clearly getting the color right in a hypothetical scenario may not matter to people. Even forgetting what the proper color is doesn't matter much either.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

He could be both a doc and have the mafia kill. In this case he'd be able to target two people which you watching 1 person wouldn't see.

I didn't think of that, if he was mafia there would be no NK the following Night, unlesss he still has a partner. But if he kills you then we kill him for not protecting you.

 

[Tandora]

@ town, does anyone have a mod PM that is different from their original games? You don't need to say how.


@ Macman, k, I would very, very strongly like to advise you to improve my play, but I'm up to letting Swords get modkilled toNight.

Interested in vigging Lionel Luthor toNight?

Alternatively, I'd be really interested to have you track Zen and Zen doc protect you, and the two of you report your results. Seph watch Tandora (Tandora, answer the question about your number of Mason Recruits please).

Town thoughts?

Sorry, I had practically no internet access all day. I am pretty certain I've said this already, but I can recruit up to three people plus myself for a total of four.

 

[Xivii]

I don't really like that idea if it's just about clearing me. Scum can simply NK me which makes the whole thing useless. And just wastes both me and macs abilities for the night. I don't mind being tracked, but I don't think it be set on who I protect. Mac would just be wasting his ability to clear me and I just died.

 

[Evil Eye]

1. Your death has been deemed acceptable since literally the moment you claimed, in favor of more useful and protown slots like Seph and Tandora. Why, pray tell, has it suddenly become unacceptable now, when the possibility of you being expected to protect someone in a verifiable manner has arisen?

2. It doesn't waste your abilities; either you die and are out of the game, saving town a potential mislynch, or your abilities are verified, and you are thus verified as not making a mafia kill. If we have one mafiat left on the main scum team, or if we have two left but Swords flips scum, this almost entirely clears you.

3. If you don't protect Macman, but are in fact a Town Doctor, Macman may die, which would render all the points about clearing you in point #2 absolutely nil because he wouldn't be alive to tell us about it.

4. Of all our claimed power roles, you are among the highest in regards to your ability to be mafia. Mafia Doctor, safeclaim as a town doctor, and J being a doctor before you janned him are all strong possibilities as far as I'm concerned. This forces you into set conditions where the odds are good that only a town doctor could perform as you would be, or you will fail the conditions and be exposed for shenanigans.

It's odd that you've accepted this until your doctorness became specifically and especially verifiable.

 

[Xivii]

EE it's suspicious that you're ignoring the fault in that.

1. Yes my death is acceptable to protect someone else so they can give town more info.

Me protecting Mac so he can give town info that I'm town would be useless because I'd be dead anyway. Mac would be using his ability to clear someone a dead player, thus making it a waste of his ability. It would be a waste of mine because while I do protect mac, his ability is wasted and gives town no more info, and he would likely die the next night.