Mafia All Stars: In the end, it was Nothing Special

[Praxis]

@ mod, request votecount?

 

[Praxis]

Hey guys, know what'd be nice?

Scumhunting.

Hunt scum, or let's end this miserable day.

Macman, who do you think is scum, anyway?

 

[Overswarm]

I am scum hunting. I found you and Tandora.

 

[X1-12]

Seriously guys, PLAN. We can win this by numbers almost certainly, just make sure everyone knows what they're doing.

current plan

Tan recruits me
Seph watches Tan
Zen protects Seph
X1 stalks Mac
Vig? shoots LL

 

[Overswarm]

Seriously guys, PLAN. We can win this by numbers almost certainly, just make sure everyone knows what they're doing.

current plan

Tan recruits me
Seph watches Tan
Zen protects Seph
X1 stalks Mac
Vig? shoots LL

Or, or, bear with me: we have everyone claim and THEN make the plan.

Na mean?

 

[X1-12]

anyone with an unclaimed role will know not to interfere with the plan. Plan is fine as it is

 

[Evil Eye]

Honestly I'm completely fine with waiting a Day on the mass claim. Looking at the numbers game, I really don't see the advantage in it, especially given Mac and Praxis's reluctance to claim.

Speaking of claims, what the hell, Overswarm. You said Praxis and Tandora need to claim, and yet Tandora has literally claimed to the fullest extent possible... twice. One time was the reason we lynched scum on D2 and the basis by which you started devising your Plans. One of them was toDay.

Seriously what the hell.

 

[Overswarm]

* facepalm *


EE, read more carefully.

 

[Praxis]

Unvote
Vote: Macman

 

[Evil Eye]

I really don't want to start a petty tangent, but read your own posts, OS.

EE, the fact that Tandora and Praxis both act so scummy = more important for them to claim.

 

[Overswarm]

Do you disagree?

 

[Praxis]

No one noticed my vote change to Macman from my phone?


Wanna put these down...

It's hard to tell who scum is atm, since the only person who's been looked into is Blue Yoshi. But if I had to say someone, it would be BSL. I dont like how he just jumped on the Blue Yoshi wagon. I think we need to look more into that.
...

It's too soon to be thinking about lynching anyone. Like I said earlier, BSL would be my pick.

And for the record, I'm completely fine with BSL's vote on Blue yoshi. We need some more pressure, or D1 won't lead anywhere.

BSL: All I have on him was reading through his little time in a game he replaced in and some stuff from his hydra in halo maf. His Blue vote I dislike since the reasons for the blue wagon are so shady and he failed to give a reason for even voting. Though I think he just explained in the post above mine.

Sephiroths. You are voting BSL, who has played as weak as you have, he promised us that post and then disappeared. You're being hypocritical in other words. You've pointed out his scumtells, but you just state the obvious, which is what you have done yourself.

unvote Vote: Seph

@BSL who is scum and why?

And J, for my scum list, it would go like this.

Scum
Seph
Blue yoshi
BSL

I'm not giving null reads or town list because i think it tells the mafia who to kill.

Fun BSL stuff...remember, BSL = GLG = scum.

ok, big post time. ill separate sections into different colors. i like to use the enter key, so gaps dont help with finding new sections.

So we go through RVS.


Seph, how'd you miss this question? i mean, you quoted it directly and didnt answer it. people pointed it out, yeah, but you never explained why you didnt answer it.


ok, here's where we get to BY answering J's question after SwordsR, with basically the same answer. BY catches some heat for it, but explains that he didnt realize there were more pages of posts.

now. i dont know how BY has his page set up. but J's post was post #41. so if he has something other than 40 posts per page, he couldve missed SwordsR's answer. BY, does the screenshot possibly show anything that could hurt town? lets see the screenshot, since you have it.

so then we leave RVS. i made one more joke vote on J. i figured it was pretty obvious that it was a joke vote. this, along with my RVS vote on Gheb, and my pressure vote on BY was my only three votes in the game. nothing to see here, im just pointing this out cause it's important for later in this post. nothing to see here yet.

Gheb and SwordsR both vote BY. why'd you guys do this, btw? this part is mainly for later.



can a couple more people weigh in on this? who agrees/disagrees with this? i'm with OS on this one. Gheb, why were you still against this after OS brought up this point? you were still waiting for Praxis?

The conclusion is made that if the bunny ears fiasco is in the BRoom, then chances of mafia knowing are less. Who in this game has access to said BRoom?

aaaaaaaaaaaaand i guess im done with this stuff, right? this post wasnt as big as i thought it would end up being. im gonna blame it on about 40 of the posts in this thread being about the search for Gaston and the bunny ears fiasco.

ill go ahead and make a full response to this.



obviously i reiterated what everyone else said. i voted him for the same reasons the wagon was started...



the nothing to see here yet was stated because i was going to reference it at the end of my post. i forgot, which is why i posted a second one after my supposed big post. same reason i asked "did you miss this post?". i wasnt talking about how you 'didnt answer my question'



swords did say why he voted BY, my bad. it wasnt in my notes yet cause i hadnt taken notes on the newer stuff, and he didnt state it at the time of the vote so when i went back and skimmed the thread to make the big post, i didnt see his reason.

Gheb hasnt stated his reasoning for voting BY yet, though. unless i missed that too. care to point it out for me?



i only saw a few people talking about whether or not open info is good or bad. i wanted more people answer it.



thats one guy, and only who gheb remembers could be a part of it. i wanted an actual list of who could know.



good enough reasoning for me. and your right, i did forget to answer Swords's question.



why did you answer the question if "We already said this again about where it can be found"? seems sort of redundant, eh?





ill go ahead and say that with the amount of stuff going on in the page, that BY would have to be pretty good at editing his screenshot to make it unnoticeable.

gheb gave a ONE PERSON answer. i wouldnt consider it an actual answer.

i guess maybe my question "Seph, how'd you miss this question?" was kind of useless.

it was more of making a point, than actually asking him

Scummy?
i'd say seph is the only one that i'd put on this list here so far.

Was that edits or after I said I would start posting? Kthx.

@J/anyone who cares:

I like Praxis, Nicholas, and GorditoBoy.

+I got strong town vibes from Marc in his two posts. XD

I'm on my phone right now, so multiquoting would be hard to do. Would you rather me do this later?

And I said J/everyone else because you asked me the question, and I was just being sure you noticed my answer. Worked, right? Lol.

Mixing up games is why I said my town reads. It won't happen again, though. Me and mentos are teamed as a hydra in another game. You asked him, and I mistook it as for both of us. Sorry about that, lol.

^^^
GLG addresses J, Seph, Blue Yoshi, Gheb, Praxis, sort of Mentosman, Swords.

Is it possible that GLG avoids interaction with his scummates?

@Gheb
If you dislike my wagon GIVE SOME BLASTED DETAILS AS TO WHY! I'm tired of people just ignoring my points and saying "He tunnels to much". Tell my WHY I'm wrong then!

@J
I must admit, I was skeptical of BSL-scum, but you've nearly got me convinced there.

@BSL
I'd really like to see your response to J's big post.

@J
Actually, we don't need to worry about a modkill. Tandora and Scamp have both signed up for replacement in the signups thread, so at worst it would be a double replacement instead. Anyway, the reason I'm not voting BSL is that I really want BY (and then Overswarm, probably) dead. However, if it comes down to it I'll support the lynch.

@Gheb
Ah, point taken. Anyway, OS/Zen would be the main people incriminated by a BY scumflip. With you it would be something to look at, but not insta-lynch status. Anyway, I wish you had said that (regarding BY) earlier so I understood WHY you disliked the wagon.

@BY
I'm still waiting for your response to that one post of mine...

@Xatres
When you're caught up, please give opinions on BY, Overswarm, and BSL.

GLG, i'm not defending nich at all, but what you said about him seems like a parrot of one of zen's earlier posts.

LL or GLG should be the play, i'm thinking LL. Hopefully the potential vig will nail GLG toNight.

unvote vote: Lionel

Let LL be potentially vigged tonight. I think GLGs flip will be more useful to us, but i'm willing to lynch either.

unvote vote:giraffelasergun

unvote vote: LL

It doesn't seem like GLG is going to get lynched toDay, just let him get vigged.

two more votes to lynch LL, c'mon!

(@ Swords)
Plz claim vig

Can someone hammer LL?

Vig, kill him.....please.....



Why is Praxis the only smart townsperson? Like my god. Good thing Praxis came and posted or LL would have died. I am almost 100% sure on this. Please stay with me on this wagon it's lonely ;_;

GLG, I really look forward to your reasoning with your vote.

And....

No, switch to GLG now. Listen to me and stay listening this time. It can happen. Just gotta scuttle all the bandwagoners to the GLG lynch.

No, you don't do it like that, that's how you get a No Lynch, If people started posting saying I'm up for it and you get enough support then you do it. The important word in what I said was co-ordinated.

So many Invisies, darn you all to heck

Guess who let GLG not get lynched on D1?

D2 might have been really different had GLG been lynched D1, then Seph caught another scum visiting.

 

[Praxis]

First, I need to talk about something here.

I agree with Overswarm's reasoning, and if my role didn't function the way it does, I would probably be pushing for a mass roleclaim. He's right. If everyone claims right now, we can catch the liars and work on clearing players. We either force scum to give us true information, or we'll find contradictions.

OS is right, if the situation were normal. Unfortunately, I have a very awkward role that becomes messy if I claim. I'm not going to do it because I'm town and it will hurt town.

Luckily, the fact that Tandora has confirmed me town allows me to take a firm stance on this and not reveal more information on my role in a manner that will help scum. Had OS pushed for a mass roleclaim yesterday, I would have been in a very awkward situation.

You'll recall my reluctance to give out any information D1, when being questioned about the bunny ears.

Despite the fact that I'm frustrated with the fact that OS refuses to accept the possibility that my role will hurt town if claimed and that I don't want to be factored in to the plans, OS is right; I do understand how he thinks, and I do think right now claiming abilities might help town, except for me.

I know how absurd it looks when I say that we should roleclaim except for me, and I apologize for it, but it will make sense when my role is revealed.

Regardless, I'm essentially about to force a roleclaim, so I want to clear the table there. I know that I'm causing people to lose confidence in Overswarm, and he is being an egotistical control freak, but he's got the right idea to a degree; he just has to accept the fact that I have followed his train of thoughts, I do understand what he's trying to do, and my role is unique enough that I am a genuine exception. The fact that I am cleared should remove the question of this being a scum gambit.






So, here goes.

Unvote
Vote: Macman

Explanation time.



SwordsRBroken is the vig.


D1, SwordsRBroken constantly attempts to direct the vig, even causing OS to quote it (which is very strange) and point it out very blatantly. (see quotes above)

J gets annoyed and requests that the vig kill Swords.

Over D1 and D2, Swords remains a very obvious vig kill choice and does not die.

N3 comes, and...vig does not kill.

Coincidentally...SwordsRBroken is V/LA, replaced out of all of his other games, replaced out of modding Halo mafia, and hasn't posted since.

Theory: SwordsRBroken is the vig, and no one died because Swords did not submit a night action due to being V/LA and forgot to request a replacement.

If this is the case... @ Swords being an idiot.


Remember that the claims are:

Overswarm: Firefighter
X1-12: Rolecop/Stalker
Sephiroths Masamune: Watcher
Macman: ???
Evil Eye: No Night Action
Lionel Luthor: Town-killing Bomb
Praxis: ???
SwordsRbroken: ???
Zεη: Doctor
Tandora: Mason Recruiter

Green = confirmed town, yellow = very probable town (Seph's claim gave us a free mafia lynch). X1's claim gave us a free indie lynch, which is pro-town but also pro-scum, so null.

One more thing to remember: The roles are mixed up in this game. We've had a Town Mafia Roleblocker flip, and a Mafia Gaston flip. Traditional pro-town roles are rare can easily be scum and vice versa.



So, Macman, Swords and I are the only unclaimed players, and Macman and Swords are the only ones who could potentially be scum (mafia at least; we don't know if Tandora can recruit an indie?).



So, if Swords is vig...Macman is our only unclaimed player who may be scum.

This makes him the best lynch choice. Then Tandora can recruit X1 (my biggest suspect, but he can prove useful if he turns out to be town and Tandora can clear him).

Thus...I vote for Macman.



There is the possibility that Macman is vig. I find it much more likely that Swords is the vig. But if Macman is vig (and I do apologize for outing you, but scum would have figured it out and NK'd you after Swords flipped), then there are only two potential explanations I can come up with for why no vigkill occurred.


1: Scum roleblocker roleblocked Macman
2: Scum doctor protected Macman's target.


In the case of #1, either someone lied about their Night Action (we'll figure this out fast), or SwordsRBroken is the scum roleblocker.

In the case of #2, Zen is a scum doctor (not surprising in this game). This means Swords is scum, since town vig-directed the vig to kill Swords, and the reason Zen is so wishy washy is that he wants to pretend to be following town's orders but be able to claim he acted either way if it is shown that he didn't visit Seph. Swords+Zen scumteam.


Regardless, Macman is still the best lynch. If Macman flips vig, we immediately lynch SwordsRBroken, and if Swords doesn't flip roleblocker, we lynch Zen and GGs. If Macman flips scum, great, then we move on to X1. If Macman is town and not vig, he needs to claim fast and we'll think it over, but he's probably the best lynch regardless.




So, vote Macman guys

 

[Praxis]

@ mod, request replacement for SwordsRBroken

 

[Xivii]

I agree with you on Swords. I was starting to think he could be vig too. Mac should claim.

I don't even at the scum doctor though.

 

[Praxis]

Still finding curious things on D1.

Frankly, OS's play has been pretty horrible.

Someone in this town is Gaston. We have one confirmed (but still hidden) townie. If you are Gaston and you are going to be lynched, claim Gaston.

OS was quick to talk about Gaston. Then...

Yup. I'm gonna be dancin' til a flip. Too many people not posting and replacing and not enough actual content combined with too many pages = meh. OS doesn't want to do it.

I'll contribute more solid mafia stuff after the flip. For now I'm just going to call Nich on his bull**** and dodge prods. I've still contributed more to the game than other people, and I'm open about prod dodging. You can try to lynch me if you want, I don't really care one way or the other. I don't plan on replacing out (enough people doing that already) but don't feel like swallowing this whole game at the moment. So, I wait for a flip.

tl;dr

So sue me.

Gheb or FF can decide where my vote goes, whoever tells me first.

I did.

Who am I voting for, Flame?


I think you of all people would have picked up on it by now.

vote lionel luther

Hey OS, you should unvote Sephiroths Masamune and vote for Lionel Luther, as per my advice.

unvote vote lionel luther

riiiiiight

Agreed. Let's not let this get by with a No Lynch though

Says the guy who tunnelled on the town bomb D1 and stated he would do no further scumhunting and not change his vote.

Why modkill? Just get everyone to vote for him

If he's scum and modkilled the day continues. Curious that you want to avoid this.

Claimed bomb, thank you. And I stand by my word.



Also, good catch Sephiroth.

So that's 2. GLG + LL. Praxis has been acting pretty scummy imo, but he could jsut be over eager. Not sure yet. Maybe Tandora could mason Praxis?

Interesting stuff. OS is either scum or just didn't care. He let scum lead him around by the nose. Not very impressive play regardless, but I can see the latter case. But OS didn't do anything useful to town the entire game until D3.

OS also says he wanted Tandora to mason me because he thinks we think alike and I can be useful, yet prior he implies he wanted me masoned because I'm scummy.

I also find it interesting that he made no points against me on D1 when J and I were holding hands and I was trusted, and then as soon as J dies he begins attempting to undermine me and imply me scummy. Then he asks Tandora to mason me...


This isn't an accusation of OS, or a case, but rather me putting some things on the table. I almost feel like OS was setting me up for a NK by having Tandora mason me. I'm not sure yet.




Oh well.



Previous plan:

Lynch Swords
Zen protect Seph
Seph watch Tandora
Tandora mason X1

I do my thing and claim tomorrow revealing information on several players


Suddenly we have a problem, because this gives scum a free NK on the vig...if we lynch Swords or Macman and they're not-vig, the other is vig and scum has a free shot.

Should we protect Swords and leave Seph to watch Tandora? :/

 

[Praxis]

I agree with you on Swords. I was starting to think he could be vig too. Mac should claim.

I don't even at the scum doctor though.

Scum doc is only the case if Macman is vig, Swords is scum *and* Swords is not roleblocker *and* no one lied about their roles. I agree that it's a bit outlandish but it does have to be considered if we see this situation after both Macman and Swords dies. I tried to cover all the scenarios I could think of.

But I think the simplest explanation is that Swords is vig, lol.

 

[Kirby King]

Day 4 Vote Count
SwordsRbroken (3): Tandora, Zεη, Macman
Praxis (1): Overswarm
Macman (1): Praxis

Not voting: X1-12, Sephiroths Masamune, Evil Eye, Lionel Luthor, SwordsRbroken

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

The deadline is Sunday, December 5 at 11:59:59 PM ET.


SwordsRbroken cannot be replaced as there is no one to replace him. He will not be prodded because he declared V/LA. However, he will still be modkilled if he does not post by 11:59:59 PM ET on December 1.

Sephiroths Masamune has been prodded.

 

[Praxis]

@mod, can we avoid a modkill by ending the day in a lynch before December 1st, or will Swords be modkilled the following Day regardless?

Thanks.

 

[Kirby King]

If there is a lynch before the modkill is scheduled to take place, the lynch will take place and the modkill will not. SwordsRbroken may still be modkilled later if he does not post by a certain time the following Day.

 

[Praxis]

Thanks KK.

Town, please comment on my statements at the earliest convenience. Let's get a Macman lynch going if you agree. No need to worry about accidentally No Lynching since failing to lynch Macman by December 1st will result in a SwordsRBroken modkill.

X1 should either rolecop Lionel Luthor or Swords toNight to confirm their roles, if you guys agree with me. And then we need to discuss if Zen should protect Swords or Seph.

 

[Praxis]

EBWOP: If Zen should protect Swords, Seph, or at-his-own-discrestion-between-the-two-without-teling-town. He should not protect anyone else.

 

[Evil Eye]

I'm not voting to lynch, but Macman needs some pressure so he takes this **** seriously and starts being useful. Now. Vote: Macman

I will only back a Macman lynch if I feel that it is the strongest play after my full reread (which I've started, hopefully I'll finish it tomorrow and be able to post thoughts). You make a very compelling case, though.

Every role is to some extent verified. Because of that, X1 should stalk Swords if we lynch Macman to cement this line of thought, if it ends up being the strongest.

 

[Evil Eye]

Discretion between the two is the best play, I think. It accomplishes the same end, ultimately, with an actual chance of the doc forcing a No Kill. Meanwhile some combo of stalk/mason/watching will happen and produce more information, which puts mafia in a hell of a bind for toMorrow.

 

[Praxis]

Does anyone know when Swords' V/LA is supposed to end?

My only concern is that if we do switch bandwagons and lynch Macman, and Swords eats a doc protect but doesn't return from his V/LA in time to submit a night action, we end up with a wasted vig shot. >_<

 

[Evil Eye]

That would suck but there's also little we can do. Other than start hunting a replacement for him with a vengeance.

One thing I'm wondering about, Praxis. Are you playing to the math when you say that Tandora and (especially) you are fully cleared? Because I've pointed out that The Burglar -- Tando's role -- could recruit two non-town parties into his masonry that would retain their non-town wincons, including the mafia guy. You haven't addressed this once, and frankly it's the definition of reasonable doubt.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

i just got back and only skimmed

but you should probably let swords come back and say something before you convince yourself that he's the vig

 

[Praxis]

i just got back and only skimmed

but you should probably let swords come back and say something before you convince yourself that he's the vig

Swords is about to be modkilled.
Either he's the vig, you're the vig, or the vig lied and fakeclaimed.

You need to start participating.

You also need to claim.


Consider that if you ARE the vig, and we were to lynch SwordsRBroken toDay, scum would *know* you're the vig (you and I being the only unclaimed players left in the game) and immediately NK you. So if you're the vig, claim it so that we can protect you.

If you're not the vig, you still need to claim it so we don't lynch Swords, because he's the only player who can be a vig.

 

[Praxis]

@ EE; Actually, I forgot about that point. :/

So far, game-specific rules seem to be red herrings (for example, Lionel Luthor's odd clause about voting if I remember right, and possibly Mentosman's role?), but it IS possible =S Tandora's said that her role PM says she'll die if she recruits scum, correct?

Tandora, please try to clarify as best possible (without quoting obviously) what your role PM states regarding what will happen if you recruit scum.

 

[Evil Eye]

This is what was written in the Burglar role PM as I wrote it way back when:

Note that some roles, if visited for recruitment purposes, will result in the death of the attempted recruiter.

I specifically said some roles. In that case, most of the mafia, and one indy. Then one mafiat could be recruited but would retain his alignment, wincon, and abilities. One indy would also work as such.

 

[Praxis]

Gah, so it's still up in the air. That makes Tandora and I "likely cleared". Odds favor the "some roles won't kill you" being a game specific red herring and that, per traditional mason recruiter, Tandora will die on a scum recruit- but we can't say that for sure.

This keeps getting worse :S It also means the Doc protect Watcher watch Mason Recruiter clear Townies plan is flawed, which was suggested by OS, who I can clear toNight if he doesn't make me claim.

OK, so new plan.

@ Town, get Macman to L-1. That way, on December 1st, we can decide whether to let him get modkilled or hammer Macman. No chance of a No Lynch or anything dumb, but we don't want to let the vig get modkilled.

X1 rolecop Swords. If you're still alive, rolecop Lionel Luthor toMorrow.

Seph, keep watching Tandora for just one more night.

Tandora, recruit X1 (who is my biggest suspect outside of the Macman/Swords pair).

Tandora, we'll talk toNight.

I'll work to clear some other players. In the off chance that Tandora and I both die, or in case Tandora turns out to be some kind of scum who can mason townies and tries to twist my words to her, remember OS+EE when rereading my flip and breadcrumbs regardless of what Tandora tells you.

Zen, depending on the flip/claim of Swords and Macman, protect ONLY either our potential vig (Swords/Macman) or Seph, take your pick or even flip a coin. In fact, you might want to flip a coin.

Don't forget that roles are all screwy in this game and OS and Zen could potentially be scum with their claimed roles as we continue through this game.


If OS modkills himself, assume Swords is vig unless Macman says otherwise and still do the above.

I'll be out for toNight, if I respond I'll be on my phone.

Townies, please get Macman to L-1.


OS, if you're town, sorry to piss you off but please try to understand my perspective and work with me to still come up with a good plan under the assumption that I will not claim and town will not lynch me toDay. We'll have a better chance of winning this toMorrow, and I'll still have a positive effect on town toNight even if I get NK'd. Longer I live the better, but I can eat a NK to protect vig/watcher/doc. You can run for a lynch for me toMorrow if I screw up somehow and eternally lambast me through the halls of DGames for not claiming.

If you're scum, please post your mod PM :3

 

[Evil Eye]

L-2 for Macman is a bad idea and a half. Self-hammer range with him being scum, and scum really doesn't want us talking, and surely wants to minimize the amount of time people can spend rereading the game (especially with strong scumhunting-oriented players alive).

 

[Praxis]

We only have two days though :/ (I assume you mean L-1 is a bad idea?)

If he's not at L-1 we risk accidentally letting the vig get modkilled.

If he's town, he won't self hammer.

If he's scum, he might cut short our discussion time but I'd rather risk that than risk letting Swords get modkilled if he's the vig.

If you think self-hammering is a big danger, then let's at least get him to L-2 so we only need two people to get on December 1st to hammer.

 

[Praxis]

EBWOP to phrase it better: The point is to have Macman at a point where, as the deadline approaches, we can make the decision to let Swords get modkilled or hammer Macman really quickly.

If you're worried about accidental hammers/self-hammering, I'm fine with L-2. I just want to make sure we can really quickly swing to whatever we decide to do (Swords vs Macman) when the deadline for the modkill arrives.

 

[Evil Eye]

Right I'm fine with that idea. That's why I said L-1 is a bad idea, but I didn't mean the entire idea is bad. I thought you'd have seen enough of my play to take my lack of comment as a lack of objection, heh. But yeah, no, L-2 is fab-dandy as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Praxis]

Okay, your post said L-2, so I wasn't sure. xD

L-2 for Macman is a bad idea and a half.

 

[Evil Eye]

Wow. I meant to type L-1, and then when I reread my post to make sure I wasn't being ********, I was sure I read it as L-1. Is this what it's like to be Rockin?




:trollface:

 

[#HBC | Mac]

i am the vig,

i'd rather not claim my flavor name nor discuss my night actions at this point though. I have a good reason for not wanting to.

 

[Evil Eye]

Unvote

Now we can stalk Teran and lynch Swords

 

[Overswarm]

Everyone just has such good reasons not to claim.

Everyone claim. I don't care if it means you lose your power and it makes you commit suicide. -_-;;