Mafia All Stars: In the end, it was Nothing Special

[X1-12]

@OS/EE: how does arsonist usually work on SWF?

@Gheb: I'm only suggesting that plan for when you flip indy. If that worse case scenario happens you're omitting the confirmed scum part. If you flip VT don't listen to my plan.

 

[X1-12]

Marathon B: Ignite/prime
Shaq: Ignite/Prime

only games I could find with arsonist

 

[Evil Eye]

What's up buttholes? The Nich playerslot just got all kinds of awesome, I tell you what.

I've been kind of half-heartedly skimming this game but I jumped in when KiKi said he needed a replacement sooooo bad so I gotta get some rereading. Yes, it might take me some time to get to it, but I'll try to motivate myself with a vengeance given what a jerkbutt Nic was. Plenty of time for me to catch up anyway.

Quick Hits:

It's funny that upon being accused by X1, Gheb's immediate instinct is to call him the mafia stalker and that he must be scum. Reeks of his Bioware play, honestly, desperate times of self-preservation leading to to a whole lot of straw-graspin. And a lot of his interactions with OS have seemed reeeal off.

It's even funnier because when people were talking about Zen being mafia for deviating from the plan (like a complete moron, I might add; READ THE ****ING GAME. STOP SKIMMING OR I WILL MAKE YOU DEAD), Gheb didn't seem to have a clue about any roles that could visit Tando as a scum and made all kinds of polarizing statements, such as that he couldn't think of any roles that would visit her other than the killer or the roleblocker/something else with an apparent effect. Pretty **** uncharacteristically dumb, in my opinion. Want some roles of that sort? Gee how 'bout the Mafia Stalker, for one? Or, hell, an Arsonist? Recruiter? Poisoner? Any of the weird surprises in the annals of SWF Mafia, from which KiKi chose his roles? There were plenty of options and that made what Gheb said really, really dumb. Though as an Arsonist I'm not sure what his angle is, but I digress.

I'm not yet sure what I make of Gheb using mechanics to say X1 must be scum when we literally just had a role whose character name was Mafia Roleblocker and flipped as the Town Roleblocker, ffs. Especially since from his point of view as a vanilla townie, X1 should be scum because of the blatant lying, not mechanics. Not sure what my take on this interaction is, but I know it looks real **** bad for Gheb and I don't like it.

FoS: Gheb

Also I really like this sentiment from Mentos:

If you flip arsonist, then we can figure out if he's town or scum from there. Makes perfect sense to listen right now to listen and lynch you, because we gain more information.

Don't understand why Gheb doesn't see this as the best course of action.

 

[Xivii]

Man when is Swords going to die.

unvote; vote: gheb

And OS I don't get how me agreeing to protect Seph is beneficial. I think it would be better to go with Praxis' plan and protect either the recruit, Seph, or myself without saying who so I have a 33% chance of a successful protect where as simply agreeing with Seph is a 0% chance.

 

[Evil Eye]

X1's plan is a bit fishy if you assume him as scum, though. I'll need my full reread before I really make a decision there. However, it does require that presumption -- it's easy to see him coming to that idea as town, too. Lynch the bad guy I caught, recruit me, yay now I'm on the A-Team and we save a Day phase for someone else.

@X1: The arsonist is like a SK, but instead of killing someone upon visitation, they "prime them" (douse them in gasoline or some other weird flavor-ness). At any given time, all primed players can be "ignited", usually as a Day action, I think. This will kill all of them at once.

Also, Shaq did indeed have a Firefighter role in Shaq Mafia. However, Shaq was every role in Shaq Mafia. Maybe even the mafia, though I'm not as sure on that one. Doesn't mean much, with KiKi's allignment switching shenanigans. Which is my point, actually. As Overscum, OS is in a real jam due to night action bone-age. A good bluff would be X1 doing exactly what he's doing to clear OS and get a mislynch in. Then we have WIFOM to deal with. Or maybe he is the stalker and he got **** lucky targeting Gheb (hell, he looked pretty **** weird D2, as I said). Uberbus, and all that.

However that makes you ask questions about risk and reward, so again I'd rather wait on a full reread to decide on something like that. It is a bit odd that X1's two targets thus far have been a firefighter and the arsonist.

 

[Praxis]

What's the votecount?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

lol @ EE fosing me XD

You seriously need to read up everything haha

 

[Praxis]

I think, Zen, OS actually intends to let scum kill you. Then Seph the next turn. They have to do it in order. By that point we'd have cleared two more townies, and other power roles (vig, cop?) get to do their thing in safety.

 

[Overswarm]

Man when is Swords going to die.

unvote; vote: gheb

And OS I don't get how me agreeing to protect Seph is beneficial. I think it would be better to go with Praxis' plan and protect either the recruit, Seph, or myself without saying who so I have a 33% chance of a successful protect where as simply agreeing with Seph is a 0% chance.

If you protet seph, we have a 100% chance of keeping a watcher.

Losing a doc at this point isn't nearly as bad as losing a watcher.


If you constantly protect Seph, and Seph watches Tandora:


Mafia has to kill you
Mafia kills Seph
Mafia kills Tandora

that's THREE night actions to kill the player that is determining alignments. Three. That won't occur, thus mafia is screwed if Tandora is being truthful.

If you say "hurr, I might protect myself WINK WINK" then mafia can say "sweet" and we cannot guide their night actions.

Of all the power roles that have claimed, you are the least useful. As such, you can die.

Protect Seph.

 

[Tandora]

I don't think Praxis should be the recruit for tonight, but I'll play nice.

And to be clear I will RECRUIT: PRAXIS

Just be clear that after tonight, we'll have to vote as a majority on who to invite and we'll only have room for one more person in our super secret, secret club.

 

[Evil Eye]

Also, not that it matters much, but I can confirm that Tandora is playing exactly as I'd have expected someone to with the Burglar role. I designed it and junk. Everything she says lines up. Only real possibility of antitown intentions is an allignment-shift from KiKi from town to... cult, I guess. Not worth spending any time on right now, though, just getting the discussion topic out there now, for future use.

lol @ Gheb handwaving legitimate points. I forgive you, but it only enhances my desire to stare at you like an Asian. (I'm the Asian in this analogy [get it cuz my eyes are all narrow ha ha ha haaaaaaa])

 

[Praxis]

I feel we are best suited by recruiting Macman, but if town wants to recruit me, okay.

Also, I'm currently in a surgery :-X *is grossed out*

 

[#HBC | Mac]

dj grizzlEE?????

 

[Overswarm]

Macman can die and is quiet.

You talk a lot and we can learn much.


Zen protects Seph.

Seph watches Tandora.

Tandora recruits Praxis.

Gheb will be lynched.



IN CASE I DIE DURING THE NIGHT:

Tandora could be an independent cult leader. Keep this in mind. At a certain point in the game, Tandora must be lynched.

X1-12 could be mafia regardless of Gheb's flip.

@Cop or JOT : if you investigate someone and get a guilty reading, CLAIM IMMEDIATELY. Doc will then protect you and Seph will watch Tandora.

@Cop or JOT : Tandora is a decent investigation subject, but not tonight. Tonight, go after someone unknown to lower our odds of tom foolery.

@ Vig or JOT : Kill Macman tonight. He's an easy choice. Afterwards, kill quiet people. Luther could be good if he doesn't blow up when NKilled.

@ Town : Keep Luther in mind. If he is a bomb, subtract lylo by one Day.

@ Tandora / Mentos : Mentos has a power, this we know. The watcher/doc/mason is a strong combo, so mentos doesn't need to claim. HOWEVER, if your claim could help town reach a conclusion tomorrow, consider claiming. Think not of your survival, but towns.

@ Tandora : if you end up masoning a cop, reporting his results for him and making him guess might seem like a good idea, but this is not the case if a doc is alive. If a doc is alive, have the cop himself claim. This will give town more information.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I think Macman is town. Don't vig EE - vig Swords.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Double posting to announce V/LA status over the weekend starting in like 5 hours. Going to a tourney.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

I think vig should shoot macman tonight. Gheb should be lynched toDay. Follow the plan for now.

 

[X1-12]

I want to hear from EE before we end the day

and I want an answer to this

If I get a role that is not clearly indicative of alignment, should I out it?

 

[SwordsRbroken]

I don't know really, it's likely that if that happens it's an indy. So i'm gonna say yes.

 

[X1-12]

What if I get like jailkeeper, that could be town or scum role.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

idk why ppl want me dead

 

[#HBC | Mac]

actually thats a lie, its prolly cuz of my inactivity

w/e tho i'm sure if you guys read my posts itd be readily apparent that im town.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

What if I get like jailkeeper, that could be town or scum role.

I don't know what to say there, i guess it's at your own discretion. I'd like some input from some other people on this as well.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

I'm back, and it seems OS brought a new list for town to use. Gheb is an arsonist aparently, and Swords is trying to look like he's doing something now that he's been called for a vig suspect.

@X1: There's really no point in hiding anything anymore. We're directing you for your ability, why would you not let town know what it is? The question shouldn't be "Should I reveal the person toMorrow?", it should be "Who should I target toNight?".

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

@Tandora: Did you talk with J the Night you targeted her?

 

[Praxis]

J is a guy -_-

I still don't get why OS wants me in the mason, but okay, let's do it.
@mod, request votecount

Vig should target Swords, X1 should target EE/Nix IMO.

 

[Kirby King]

Day 3 Vote Count
Gheb_01 (4): X1-12, Overswarm, Macman, Zεη
Swords (2): Sephiroths Masamune, Praxis
Zεη (1): SwordsRbroken
X1-12 (1): Gheb_01

Not voting: mentosman8, Evil Eye, Lionel Luthor, Tandora

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

The deadline is Friday, November 26 at 11:59:59 PM ET.


Lionel Luthor has been prodded.

 

[Praxis]

Unvote
Vote: Gheb_01

 

[Xivii]

OS: I see, but screw that, I'm protecting myself

 

[Praxis]

..........wow.

 

[X1-12]

don't let gheb self hammer, he's at L-2 leave him there

 

[Evil Eye]

I'd prefer X1 target Nix than myself, simply because I not only know I'm town, but once I'm fully caught up, I think my townieness will probably speak for itself, as it tends to.

Nix on the other hand always lurks, coasts, and is generally inactive. So if you're going with one of the two, Nix is the better call.

Zen sucks all the testicles on the earth.

Don't put Gheb in self-hammer range.

 

[Evil Eye]

Actually Swords would be a great stalk/role investigation because even Nix can have some semblance of coherence when you look at his play in terms of the big picture. Swords is just always bad and scummy. Always. Always.

Do him instead.

 

[mentosman8]

Also, not that it matters much, but I can confirm that Tandora is playing exactly as I'd have expected someone to with the Burglar role. I designed it and junk. Everything she says lines up. Only real possibility of antitown intentions is an allignment-shift from KiKi from town to... cult, I guess. Not worth spending any time on right now, though, just getting the discussion topic out there now, for future use.

lol @ Gheb handwaving legitimate points. I forgive you, but it only enhances my desire to stare at you like an Asian. (I'm the Asian in this analogy [get it cuz my eyes are all narrow ha ha ha haaaaaaa])

EE, you should know better than anyone how overpowered of a cult that would be, especially since there's no stipulation in the role that everyone dies if the leader diesXD

OS: I see, but screw that, I'm protecting myself

I hope you're joking, otherwise you make me sad.

@OS: Thanks for stating the obvious>_> I'm not sure how you established me having a pr though, I don't believe I've ever stated one way or the other outside of being in the masonry?

I would also like to add that while EE's thoughts that Tando could be alignment changed to cult are wrong, it IS something town should be on the lookout for. As much as people usually hate cults, there's a very real possibility of one existing in this game, so while we can't play as there being one, it should be kept in mind as a possibility. If a cult flips it instantly becomes priority #1 to find the leader.

 

[Praxis]

I'd prefer X1 target Nix than myself, simply because I not only know I'm town, but once I'm fully caught up, I think my townieness will probably speak for itself, as it tends to.

Nix on the other hand always lurks, coasts, and is generally inactive. So if you're going with one of the two, Nix is the better call.

Zen sucks all the testicles on the earth.

Don't put Gheb in self-hammer range.

Wait, what are you talking about?

You replaced Nich. You are Nich. You'd rather X1 target you than you?

I'm assuming by Nix you mean Nich because I accidentally called Nich Nix in my last post- Nix is not in this game.

 

[Praxis]

Also, Zen, you suck.

 

[mentosman8]

Praxis raises a fine point at the fact that Nix is not, in fact, in the gameXD

 

[Praxis]

If he is, I'm totally down to lynch him, he's been mad quiet.

 

[Tandora]

@Tandora: Did you talk with J the Night you targeted her?

My recruit attempted failed. I have not been able to talk to Mentos yet until Night comes.

 

[Praxis]

Wait, your recruit on Mentos succeeded but you cannot talk to him until tomorrow?