Mafia All Stars: In the end, it was Nothing Special

[~ Gheb ~]

So how about lynching X1? Haven't seen a good reason not to lynch that scumbag, especially after he virtually claimed mafia stalker. Also, I can't even ignite anybody because OS un-primed Seph and Scamp got NKed. I can prime whomever you guys want to and play pseudo-vig for town to make things faster.

Mafia will need me as a blame puppet anyway so they won't NK me.

 

[Evil Eye]

Honestly OS's gung-ho approach to the Gheb lynch and his increasing scumminess and in your face antitown behavior have me taking on all kinds of second thoughts. And I still really don't like the idea that X1 somehow hit the fireman and then the ****ing arsonist. The odds are ridiculous. Him claiming stalker is literally not of interest to me, though, that's like a cop that gets definitive allignments even for indies, basically. A godfather would probably fool it as well.

His disappearance is shifty as hell too.

I wanna reread but I think I could actually sway to an X1 lynch instead, depending on how things look and how my notes come out. What do you guys think? Want to hear from people other than OS, Praxis or Gheb.

 

[Overswarm]

So how about lynching X1? Haven't seen a good reason not to lynch that scumbag, especially after he virtually claimed mafia stalker. Also, I can't even ignite anybody because OS un-primed Seph and Scamp got NKed. I can prime whomever you guys want to and play pseudo-vig for town to make things faster.

Mafia will need me as a blame puppet anyway so they won't NK me.

Thanks for clearing me, bro dog.


Hey EE, mind not being so scummy? X1 just claimed me as arsonist, which I am and confirmed AND Gheb confirmed with who I hosed down and confirmed himself as arsonist. Yes, he just got lucky. Stop being so paranoid.

Go with the plan.

 

[Teran]

So Zen's gonna just sit there and act like deviating from an agreed on plan is all fine and dandy?

Yeah umm no, also kinda don't believe he's Doctor, like iunno it seems like if he really were Doctor, a claim is guaranteed suicide, so claiming it when we're not even 100% assured of his lynch makes me go -__-

Won't be participating in any lynch (you all know why) so I guess

FoS: Zen

Werd

 

[Overswarm]

Zen is to be left alone as long as he follows the plan.

Zen claimed Doc.

Either Seph lives, because Zen is protecting him, and we get to keep our watcher (meaning we keep Tandora and her masonry information)

or

Seph dies, and Zen is confirmed mafia.


When it comes down to having to questino Zen, we'll have cop clears and what have you and everything will be narrowed down.

 

[Teran]

Zen following a plan.

Let's see if that works out this time.

 

[Overswarm]

You should read, Teran.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Ok, this is becomming really dumb. Zen is doc, and is confirmed that way untill proven otherwise.

I say, we keep Gheb for the day, and focus on others. I don't care if he follows the direct or not, he's dead either way. But, now that we know he's an Arsonist, we should start looking for others via lynch. Vig can take out someone unknown (perferably Swords) for the Night. X1 can stalk Macman. Gheb can prime Teran that way, if he's a mafia bomb, he can take Gheb with him too (If he does counter kill the Night target).

We should kill Evil Eye toDay. It's nothing personal, but if we kill you we get that much closer to ending the game.

So to make it clear, Night actions should follow

Tandora Recruits Praxis
Sephiroth Watches Tandora
Zen Protects Sephiroth
OS Soaks me
Gheb Primes Teran
X1 Stalks Macman
Vig takes out Swords
Cop look at X1 or Zen

We can win this toMorrow depending on how things go toNight.

Unvote,

Vote: Evil Eye

 

[X1-12]

Why do you trust gheb? he could have 2 people primed already and you won't know until D5 whether he actually primed teran or not, at which point 3 good townies could die because of him

 

[Overswarm]

Ok, this is becomming really dumb. Zen is doc, and is confirmed that way untill proven otherwise.

I say, we keep Gheb for the day, and focus on others. I don't care if he follows the direct or not, he's dead either way. But, now that we know he's an Arsonist, we should start looking for others via lynch. Vig can take out someone unknown (perferably Swords) for the Night. X1 can stalk Macman. Gheb can prime Teran that way, if he's a mafia bomb, he can take Gheb with him too (If he does counter kill the Night target).

We should kill Evil Eye toDay. It's nothing personal, but if we kill you we get that much closer to ending the game.

So to make it clear, Night actions should follow

Tandora Recruits Praxis
Sephiroth Watches Tandora
Zen Protects Sephiroth
OS Soaks me
Gheb Primes Teran
X1 Stalks Macman
Vig takes out Swords
Cop look at X1 or Zen

We can win this toMorrow depending on how things go toNight.

Unvote,

Vote: Evil Eye

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No.

You were already hosed down.

Gheb dies toDay, because then he can't possibly use a Night action.

We proceed tomorrow with new information.

There will be no deviating from the plan without new information.

 

[Teran]

You should read, Teran.

Cool snideness bro.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I didn't actually clear you though, Overswarm. Your play atm is actually among the scummier ones in this game imo.

I can prime whomever you guys want me to. I'm literally at zero right now, my role is exposed and even the biggest idiot wouldn't side with the mafia at his point. I can also serve as a safety-lynch should this game ever go to lylo / mylo [mismason, vig/SK-fail and night kill = ~4 dead townies + possible mislynch]. I am confirmed to be not mafia after all.

X1, you do realize that town can lynch me even if there's only the slightest doubt about my motives. I can't win this game period and I have absolutely no options to double-cross the town. It would be entirely pointless to do anything on my own because my life is completely up to the town's will right now.

You, on the other hand, have a lot of reasons to lie. You are the last person who should play the "don't trust him, guys!"-card.

I can prime X1 or Swords toNight if you guys want me to. I think Macman is town and am against priming him and killing / lynching EE is an absolute no-no @ Seph.

 

[X1-12]

Because you don't want to side with scum doesn't mean you want to play with town, once you've lost you may well just prime and ignite random people, and we can't have that

 

[Overswarm]

I didn't actually clear you though, Overswarm. Your play atm is actually among the scummier ones in this game imo.

I can prime whomever you guys want me to. I'm literally at zero right now, my role is exposed and even the biggest idiot wouldn't side with the mafia at his point. I can also serve as a safety-lynch should this game ever go to lylo / mylo [mismason, vig/SK-fail and night kill = ~4 dead townies + possible mislynch]. I am confirmed to be not mafia after all.

Yeah, no, you're not. Arsonist can be a mafia role.



tl;dr

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We have a guaranteed anti-town lynch. We take it.

Lynch gheb now, end the day.

unvote vote Gheb

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Overswarm, you do realize though that people have stopped letting you make important decisions long ago, right? You should wonder why by now. You're not some mafia authority whom people follow or take as serious as you think. So don't come off telling people what to do. If people followed you town would lose every single game.

Because you don't want to side with scum doesn't mean you want to play with town, once you've lost you may well just prime and ignite random people, and we can't have that

I can't do that. Overswarm can simply un-prime the people that are "clear" and Seph will watch another clear each night. As soon as he sees me I'm caught lying and that's that. You act as if I had the possibility of doing as I please, which is simply not the case.

 

[Praxis]

And if you simply lie about who you're priming?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Who would that be though? If Seph watches somebody and Overswarm un-primes clear people my options are limited to zero. Hell, I could even prime myself first and then other not-clear people just to make this faster.

 

[Overswarm]

No. No wifom scenarios.

We're an army of people with tanks negotiating with a man with a pistol. We don't have to.

Lynch Gheb, end the day, follow the plan.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

It's not wifom. Seph could simply watch me to confirm it. Then you have a Vig that the mafia has no benefit in to kill.

 

[Teran]

Or we could just kill you and not take any chances.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Or you can leave me alive, gain an additional Vigilante and still don't take chances in the process.

 

[Overswarm]

It's not wifom. Seph could simply watch me to confirm it. Then you have a Vig that the mafia has no benefit in to kill.

Yeah, no. Seph watches Tandora. Tandora is protected in this manner. Tandora clears another player. Depending on who the cop has investigated, should a cop exist, we could have all the clears we need to win.

Zen is the only claimed town power who is able to be NKilled safely by mafia if we stick to the current plan. There is no guessing involved based on the information we currently have.


Stick to the plan, win by numbers. Easiest mafia win ever.

 

[Overswarm]

Or you can leave me alive, gain an additional Vigilante and still don't take chances in the process.

Said Carnage to Spider-Man.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Easiest mafia win ever.

Sadly it's true.

I'd laugh if you guys lose though - if you lynch me, that is

 

[Overswarm]

Sadly it's true.

I'd laugh if you guys lose though - if you lynch me, that is

I doubt we'll lose. It's possible if something waaaaaaaaaaay crazy happens, but I doubt it. We just have to reevaluate every step of the way.

I like to think of it this way:

Zen, our doc, has claimed and is one potential Night target. Zen is protecting Seph, who is watching Tandora, who is masoning Praxis (an unknown).

While Seph and Tandora are huge assets to town assuming they are being truthful, it is not unheard of that they could be mafia. Regardless, if they are they can't deviate from the plan without dying.

Meta-Kirby is proclaimed as town (or at least non-mafia? not sure) by masoning with Tandora, but no info is gained on him... and if he dies, Tandora can continue to mason people until Tandora gets a scum hit.

I'm one of the most vocal town players and would be a pretty strong candidate from a NKill, I think. Except my power is now useless, as you (gheb) just claimed arsonist. Were you notified that I hosed down Seph btw, or did you just guess?

The only people left for mafia to NKill are the people that either
A) we direct them to
B) are pointless for mafia to kill
C) are unknown by town and thus help us narrow it down


The hard part will be when we realize that a mafia is hiding amongst who we think is still town, but we don't have to deal with that until we get there.

Easy win by numbers.


Btw, town?

If I die, please continue to follow the set plan. Play by the numbers, not by hunches, and if there is ever a confusing Day phase just have everyone mass claim so you can create a new plan.

 

[Xivii]

So Zen's gonna just sit there and act like deviating from an agreed on plan is all fine and dandy?

Yeah umm no, also kinda don't believe he's Doctor, like iunno it seems like if he really were Doctor, a claim is guaranteed suicide, so claiming it when we're not even 100% assured of his lynch makes me go -__-

Won't be participating in any lynch (you all know why) so I guess

FoS: Zen

Werd

You should read, Teran.

^

ok so

Tanny recruits praxis
Seph watches Tanny
Zen protects Seph
Cop investigates X1
X1 stalks mac or EE?
Vig shoots Swords

All set? Let's go.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Were you notified that I hosed down Seph btw, or did you just guess?

I think you mentioned it yourself? Regardless it's painfully obvious that Mr. "Follow the plan" would hose him down ;P

 

[Xivii]

Vig could also shoot Seph if people think it's worth confirming my role if I lived.

 

[Overswarm]

Vig shouldn't waste his shot. Shoot someone we don't know anything about. Someone quiet. Maybe Teran, as he's a supposed bomb that isn't voting.

Regardless, let's go. End the day.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Vig could also shoot Seph if people think it's worth confirming my role if I lived.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Reading posts like these I wouldn't be surprised if Zen was a D2-only Jester. Pretty sure that idea was tossed around in dGames here and there and Kiki seems to have altered the roles and characters anyway. Plus EM Jesters can randomly visit people during night hoping to get caught by an investigator.

I don't know why else he'd play this silly.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

I guess were all set then. Too bad my plan was rejected.

Unvote,

Vote: Gheb

 

[X1-12]

gheb, when you write LOOOL across the page, it makes me cringe almost as much as when you said 'English isn't my first language' in Bioware

 

[~ Gheb ~]

gheb, when you write LOOOL across the page, it makes me cringe almost as much as when you said 'English isn't my first language' in Bioware

Why? :O

 

[Praxis]

I guess there's not much to elaborate on from yesterday, but I'll repeat it; Zen, follow the plan or you're scum.

 

[mentosman8]

Good job town not listening to Gheb and keeping him alive, confirmed indie=town needs to lynch. If everyone sticks to the plan tonight could end up putting us in a phenomenal position.

 

[Overswarm]

@mod request votecount

people, please pile the votes on.

 

[Evil Eye]

man I wanted to hammer Gheb.

Definitely stick to the plan but I'd prefer a stalk of someone that's going to be a useless VI no matter what if they're town. However if vig is going from that pool I'm okay with Macman being stalked. Despite that I tend to have good reads on Mac, I'm always wary of him, because when he steps it up as scum he really does play absurdly well. If you must stalk me, then fine, but I still feel there's no use blowing a power role on lil' ol' me when we're currently playing based on mechanics than scumhunting.

I'm a little astonished Gheb wanted us to just take his word for it that he'd play by town rules, especially considering the Arsonist is a role that can for all intents and purposes kill a ****load of townies at one time. And sometimes it's a Day action. I'm guessing Gheb was lying his *** off, and was planning to ice a ****-load of townies when he could bring it down to like 2 v 2 v 1 or something. Could be a full indy as he claimed, but he could also a last man standing wincon Arsonist, and that possibility makes me completely okay with his death.

@Seph: That was one of the scummiest things I've ever seen. Don't try to get me lynched when you literally don't have a case. That was utterly ********.

So was Zen suggesting the ****ing vig shoot the ****ing claimed watcher though.

Also what's the deal with so many people saying the Watcher would/should target someone and treating the mechanics like that of a Tracker? Dumb, reaaaal dumb.

Eh, let's just get this night goin'.

 

[Evil Eye]

Oh, that wasn't the hammer? I thought Gheb was at L-2.

Vote: Gheb

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Tandora didn't talk to mentos yet? That could make things mucky when she dies toNight. Since she didn't actually talk to him yet, the mismason might've not taken place yet either and he could still be scum and her kill takes place toNight. Hilarious.

Especially because town won't know if it was mentos or the new recruit.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Don't worry, guys - I GOT THIS!

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