Mafia All Stars: In the end, it was Nothing Special

[Tandora]

Yes, that is correct. I mentioned it before.

 

[Evil Eye]

EE, you should know better than anyone how overpowered of a cult that would be, especially since there's no stipulation in the role that everyone dies if the leader diesXD

iirc the masonry would dissipate when/if the Burglar was killed, though. Perhaps the cult would cease to be a cult in that case. Again, I didn't even really want to discuss this at length toDay, I just wanted to put the topic forth.

Kinda weird that OS parroted me blatantly on that one, too. Noooo acknowledgment at all even though I said it just a handful of posts earlier. Don't like that he bit on it hard and went straight to "she must die at some point rawr", either. I'd FoS any other player I consider competent, but he pulled the exact same thing almost verbatim in Bioware, so I'm less miffed by it. I'll just observe him in a more Asian manner than I normally would.

I'm assuming by Nix you mean Nich because I accidentally called Nich Nix in my last post- Nix is not in this game.

Derp. Sorry, Nix tends to play very forgettably, so although seeing him mentioned in your post surprised me, it didn't surprise me enough to double-check his presence. So nah I knew fully well I was Nich. Thus I guess I shall amend my statement to "yeah don't stalk me toNight, stalk someone else."

Someone like Swords. Seriously, do it. He's every mafiat's Plan B before every game he enters. Easiest mislynch in the world.

Actually, I really dislike the way Praxis blew that out of proportion in that way. That was the definition of faux-contribution, it should have been pretty obvious I was mistaken, considering I'm not the kind of complete and utter ****** it would take to actually suggest someone recruit himself rather than himself. Pretty big post to spend gargling away at a null misunderstanding, especially in the way you did. Really don't like.

Please recruit Praxis toNight.

Gheb's gone AWOL. I know he announced a V/LA but it still gives me an icky vibe that he gets called out, handwaves some stuff, counter-accuses his accuser for the wrong reason when there was a perfectly valid one, and says a bunch of oneline statements that would be a black hole of WIFOM if he were to flip scum. All after he becomes the play! Hmph.

That's all for now.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

@mod starting Sunday morning, i'll be V/LA until november 31. If you need to replace me, that's ok.

I'm going on vacation for thanksgiving, i don't know if my cruise ship will have wifi, if so, then i'll be able to keep up on the game and post here and there.

 

[Tandora]

There's only 30 days in November. =/

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Typo, meant to say 30th, xD

 

[Praxis]

Actually, I really dislike the way Praxis blew that out of proportion in that way. That was the definition of faux-contribution, it should have been pretty obvious I was mistaken, considering I'm not the kind of complete and utter ****** it would take to actually suggest someone recruit himself rather than himself. Pretty big post to spend gargling away at a null misunderstanding, especially in the way you did. Really don't like.

Please recruit Praxis toNight.

I don't see how this:

Wait, what are you talking about?

You replaced Nich. You are Nich. You'd rather X1 target you than you?

I'm assuming by Nix you mean Nich because I accidentally called Nich Nix in my last post- Nix is not in this game.

is blowing it out of proportion. Line one: confusion, line two: pointing out the contradiction if you meant Nich by Nix, line three: acknowledging that I called Nich Nix a couple of posts ago.

Your post strikes me as attempting to second the masoning on me instead of yourself or Macman as I had proposed without sounding like you're parrotting.

I'm fine with being masoned toNight if that's what it takes, but you're definitely in my mind for a lynch toMorrow alongside X1.

 

[Xivii]

Just realized something. Can an arsonist oil someone and burn them in the same night?

 

[Xivii]

nvm just read that they can't.

There were two NKs N1. That means that if gheb is arsonist he couldn't have preformed either of those kills N1, meaning at least 3 people/factions can do NKs. Vig/SK-Mafia-arsonist. That means N2 Gheb could have oiled Blue or FF N1 and burned them N2. Meaning a Vig could may have not shot last night if one of the kills was gheb. Or mafia not killed, but that's unlikely. If a Vig didn't shoot then that could differentiate them from a SK as I've been told. But the kills could be either.

 

[Evil Eye]

is blowing it out of proportion. Line one: confusion, line two: pointing out the contradiction if you meant Nich by Nix, line three: acknowledging that I called Nich Nix a couple of posts ago.

Because there was nothing to gain by what you were asking, because you explicitly stated that you were making that post under the assumption I meant to say Nich, and yet also blatantly implied that you were aware that I know I'm Nich. Which means that entire post gained nothing and stood to gain nothing, and thus is worthless, and false contribution.

Your post strikes me as attempting to second the masoning on me instead of yourself or Macman as I had proposed without sounding like you're parrotting.

This is ********. "Praxis is a solid player and meticulously manipulative mafiat, and I don't have a sufficient meta on him thus far to make a fully confident read, so I'd like him to be masoned" would be more than sufficient, because it's completely true. I don't to be masoned or stalked because it would be a waste of power roles, and I don't want Macman to be masoned or stalked (yet) because I tend to have good reads with him, as we've been playing games together for years.

I offered my own rationale to the table because it is sincere. If you don't like that, or my rationale, tough ****ing ****. You are wrong. Deal with it.

I'm fine with being masoned toNight if that's what it takes, but you're definitely in my mind for a lynch toMorrow alongside X1.

Hah, what? I'm "in your mind for a lynch" because... what? I said that I don't like something you did, and suggested you were making an issue out of something null and unimportant? What else do you have to back that up? Herkaderk nich was inactive? Puh-lease.

If I'm mafia, then I know you're not mafia, and therefore mathematicallly unlikely to be anything but town. Remind me why the **** I'd attack you on what you see as illogical grounds but, rather than pursue it, try to get you masoned? Which would 99% instaclear you toMorrow? And leave me both in your sights and thoroughly unclear, as my desired scenario is not to be targeted by actions that could do as much?

Try to make sense of that for me, because I'm running out of ways to say "this is ********".

But, yeah. This is ********. Nice OMGUS, btw.

 

[Evil Eye]

Also, take note of this bit:

I'm fine with being masoned toNight if that's what it takes, but you're definitely in my mind for a lynch toMorrow alongside X1.

Pay extra careful attention to Praxis's interactions with X1 up to this point if one of them flip scum. If he's been circumventing the Gheb issue and perhaps unreasonably critical of X1, I think you've got a bus.



Christ so much questionable play from the smart people in this game. I don't know how we're winning.

 

[Praxis]

You were on my plate to begin with because of the Nich player slot. I was advocating lynching one and recruiting the other between Nich/Swords/Macman before the whole Gheb thing came out. Then you replaced Nich and are pushing for me to be the mason target.

It strikes me as an easy way to avoid the investigation- jump on the "mason Praxis" bandwagon for weak reasons ("I don't like how he pointed out the fact that I was skimming!!!1"). It's not an OMGUS; my stance is the same. Maybe I should have phrased it "on the table for a lynch or investigation tomorrow" instead of just saying lynch so as not to be harsh, but screw not being harsh, your playerslot is a suspect, deal with it.

This is ********. "Praxis is a solid player and meticulously manipulative mafiat, and I don't have a sufficient meta on him thus far to make a fully confident read, so I'd like him to be masoned" would be more than sufficient, because it's completely true. I don't to be masoned or stalked because it would be a waste of power roles, and I don't want Macman to be masoned or stalked (yet) because I tend to have good reads with him, as we've been playing games together for years.

This is far more pleasing to my ears than "mason Praxis for pointing out the problem with my post".

 

[Teran]

Been kinda tied up, gonna catch up tonight.

 

[Tandora]

Here's something I want people to consider. Do we want to push Days a little faster so we should be done by Thanksgiving? Or take our time and possible let the game go pretty much dead during that time?

I ask because I think we've pretty much got this game in the bag. There should be no more than one or two more anti-town characters at this point and we've got an awesome town combo.

 

[mentosman8]

I think that's a little bit of an underestimate Tando. If Gheb flips arsonist we've probly got 2 mafia remaining, and I would almost be surprised to only have one independent role in the whole game with this being All Stars. Plus to be done by Thanksgiving we'd likely need to get through today, N3, D4, N4, D5 just to hit two more scum within 4 days, which would be ridiculously breakneck speed. Don't think it's a bad idea to just keep the day going till the deadline date(day after Thanksgiving) so that we don't use a new day on it though, since our course today is already set.

 

[Tandora]

Mentos, keep in mind we have established a second NK that is probably not the arsonist. So, I find it believable to get two more scum (best case scenario of course) by D4. But I'm willing to take it slow. I'm sure everyone is aware of the upcoming holiday, but it didn't hurt to have a stated plan for that too.

 

[Overswarm]

Just saw Zen didn't want to follow the plan.

After Gheb is lynched, My vote stays on Zen if he deviates until one of us dies or the game ends. Just saying. Not messing around, I'll have a nonstop vote on our claimed Doc even if he's cleared by a cop and the mod posts a role PM by accident. Everyone follows the plan, no exceptions. If one person isn't, I will happily drive town into the ground as an example for future games.

Zen, follow the plan.

 

[Xivii]

OS no. You're a bully and your plan fails. I'm protecting myself.

Off topic: I learned in psychology that people get more from body movement and expressions than they do from actual language. It's natural to percieve someone with a frown as sad even if they are shouting "I'm happy". Super crazy.

 

[Xivii]

And it's not towns plan, it's your plan. You don't determine anything.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Back from V/LA.

Tired as ****, reading up soon though.

 

[Evil Eye]

Mafia would be ******** to kill you, considering you're playing like a troll with ADD. It couldn't be harder to get a read on you, and yet you couldn't look more antitown despite your doc claim, either.

 

[Evil Eye]

That, uh, that's to Zen. If that wasn't obvious.

 

[Praxis]

Zen, town has agreed that OS' plan is the best course of action. Your violation of the plan yesterday resulted in you wasting your protect and outing yourself as doctor. You are taking it upon yourself to go against town's decisions. If you think it is a bad decision, then say such instead of just saying "screw town, I'm not listening to you". If you are playing for self preservation, then you are terrible at this game or are scum. And if you are skimming, then do us all a favor and follow the plan.

tl;dr version; I will strongly consider joining OS in lynching you tomorrow if you do not follow the plan tonight out of self-preservation.

 

[Overswarm]

Zen as a lynch tomorrow sounds fine to me.

 

[Evil Eye]

Stupid to get this far ahead of ourselves when we're arranging more night action pow wows and waiting on a significant amount of information.

That said, I really, really do not like Zen. It bothers me that I've only read from like the tail end of D2 to now and yet am more up on the game than someone who's been here the entire time, who has deviated from the plan and tried to play it off like "skimming" is somehow an excuse. Honestly, what little play I saw from Zen in Avril Lavigne Mafia was much stronger than this ****.

At the same time I'm kind of getting that too good to be true sense of niggling doubt. I'm worrying that it may be a case of Zen:All Stars :: SwordsRBroken:Bioware. And that's a terrifying analogy, because not only is Zen claiming doc, but Swords is also in this game.


With all that in mind, Swords for the stalk toNight and Zen as a potential lynch on D4 sounds just dandy to me.

 

[Overswarm]

Zen is town. He's been busy and hasn't contributed much, and is saying "I'm going to protect myself" but in actuality is planning on not doing so. He believes himself to be clever. Regardless, he needs to die ASAP. I'd rather lose a day then continue with a rogue agent able to ruin town's autowin. I'm tempted to kill him before Gheb, as the arsonist could potentially kill a mafia member while Zen is doing nothing but hindering town.

 

[Evil Eye]

FoS: Overswarm

 

[Overswarm]

FoS: Overswarm

Thought the same thing with your last post.

I'm no fool, but I know how to win.

Follow the plan, town wins.

Be a rogue agent, even only in name, you start a chain reaction.

Zen says "I'm going to protect myself", thinking "I'll protect Seph and now both Seph AND I can live because they'll kill Seph!"

Seph thinks "****, that's so anti-town. I should watch Zen, I bet he isn't a doctor." Watches Zen.

Tandora dies during the Night.

We ask Seph who visited Tandora, he doesn't know because he saw that Zen visited Seph.

We don't know if Seph OR Zen is town now, and have no idea who killed Tandora.


Bad things happen when EVERYONE doesn't know EXACTLY what will occur.

A doc can die. Especially one playing like Zen. I don't care of his alignment. If he wants to screw town over, I will happily bury town into the ground. You guys know I'm town as well, so your only option is to go along with me and kill Zen or convince Zen to go with town's plan or to kill a semi-confirmed townie because of him being stubborn.

Zen, follow the plan. Do NOT even suggest going against it, and follow the **** plan. You should be dying today.

 

[Xivii]

OS you're a douche. You know I was going to protect Seph. Seph isn't going to deviate from the plan. You had no reason to just out that. What is your problem?

And I like how you're saying how useless I am when you're more useless than I am if you really are firefighter and gheb is arsonist. With what I was doing we could have had another day of keeping Seph alive instead of just tonight. Why would Seph watch me if I said I was protecting myself? Stop being so 1-track minded.

 

[Tandora]

This T-v-T argument is useless. More useless than more T-v-T arguments since WE KNOW YOU'RE BOTH TOWN.

Zen and OS need to stop bickering at each other. I'd like to see both of you doing a little scum hunting instead of worrying about trying to lynch people we believe are town.

If I see another post from either of you picking at the other the rest of this Day, I'm going to go ahead and put Gheb at L-1.

 

[Xivii]

That being said, I'm not deviating from the plan and never intended to. OS I was trying to make it so that you would be the only one who picked up on it but I thought too high of you. If scum went for Seph thinking I was dumb enough not to protect him that would have given us a whole nother night to use his watch. But you're too stubborn with your all mighty plan even though what I was doing would have been beneficial -.-

 

[Xivii]

That was ninja btw.

mybad w/e

 

[Xivii]

But I really want OS to answer why he thinks Seph would deviate from the plan just from me saying I was. That makes no sense.

 

[Overswarm]

*facepalm*

Zen, you aren't clever.

Posting

"I'm going to defend myself. WINK."

Repeatedly, for no reason, does two things.

1) Makes you look scummy as hell to anyone that doesn't realize you're not actually going against the plan

2) Potentially jeopardizes the whole plan

Did you see EE talk about how you were acting scummy? That means he's either scum or didn't realize you weren't going to deviate from the plan.

Do you know what EE's abilities are? No? What if he's vig and decides to vig you, and scum kill someone at random because they want to avoid wifom?

What if town decides to redo the entire plan because we've got an asshat that can't go along with it? What then? Do you say "I'm kidding guys, it was just supposed to be a trick to let me AND seph live longer." Yeah, that'd work out. People believe things like that in mafia.



This isn't a time for attempting to be tricky. This is a time to act straight forward and completely out in the open. Assuming X1 is telling the truth, we're killing the arsonist now and two mafia are already did. This is an easy game to win as long as we play by the numbers and don't muddy the waters. Half the people here probably don't even remember what the plan is and are unsure if we're still doing it.

Don't attempt to be clever. There's no reason to. There's no "gambit" necessary here.


Not to mention, posting "I'm going to defend myself" and following it by a smiley face more than once does not a subtle hint make.


tl;dr

We've got 10 people all pointing their rifles at the bad guy. Zen looks over and says "HEY GUYS, I'M NOT GONNA PULL THE TRIGGER." then winks. Zen thinks this is a good plan. Town could shoot Zen and be justified.


Btw, Zen? You're not cleared as town.

Mafia, please kill Zen tonight. It's win/win. If he's not scum, you can kill him, and he'll be doc. You kill our doc. That's super awesome, amirite? In the meantime, it saves us the trouble of dealing with him. -_-;;

 

[Overswarm]

This T-v-T argument is useless. More useless than more T-v-T arguments since WE KNOW YOU'RE BOTH TOWN.

Zen and OS need to stop bickering at each other. I'd like to see both of you doing a little scum hunting instead of worrying about trying to lynch people we believe are town.

If I see another post from either of you picking at the other the rest of this Day, I'm going to go ahead and put Gheb at L-1.

Reiterate plan.


Zen protects Seph.

Seph watches you.

You recruit Praxis.

We lynch Gheb.

Na mean?

 

[Evil Eye]

Seph thinks "****, that's so anti-town. I should watch Zen, I bet he isn't a doctor." Watches Zen.

What. <tenwhatthe****s

 

[Evil Eye]

Pretending to deviate from the plan actually helped us and I was just trying to reinforce the illusion that he was actually doing it. It's so scummy the way you always implicitly give the mafia advice in mafia games, OS, and you just did it in the worst possible way.

Also, nice OMGUS. It's an adorable shade on you.

 

[Praxis]

@ mod, request votecount?

More comments from me coming tomorrow morning when I'm not mobile.

 

[Overswarm]

Pretending to deviate from the plan actually helped us and I was just trying to reinforce the illusion that he was actually doing it. It's so scummy the way you always implicitly give the mafia advice in mafia games, OS, and you just did it in the worst possible way.

Also, nice OMGUS. It's an adorable shade on you.

Pretending doesn't help us in any way shape or form. It adds another layer of "did they REALLY just pretend?" BS we don't have to deal with.

 

[Xivii]

OS I think you're juru making up points because you didn't think it through. A vig wouldn't shoot me for that but ok. Now I really do have to protect myself since you ruined my plan lol. WINK

Also Swords should die tomorrow please. And Gheb should tell us if he was responsible for one of the nks :F

 

[Xivii]

just*

no time for quick edit

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