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Mafia All Stars: In the end, it was Nothing Special

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A "role investigation PR" typically isn't town aligned. Just saying.

It's normally a mafia aligned role named "Stalker". Which makes perfect sense in a game stacked with townie Power Roles so far. On the other hand there were no powerful Mafia PR flips up to now so it's about time we get to see some more serious stuff in a 18 player game. Probably a 4-man scum team or some ridiculous indie side but you seriously can't trust X1. Probably some gambit because I had him on my scum list.

You essentially claimed to be the mafia stalker if you truly "know" I'm an arsonist. If not you're lying.

Unvote Vote X1

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A "role investigation PR" typically isn't town aligned. Just saying.

It's normally a mafia aligned role named "Stalker". Which makes perfect sense in a game stacked with townie Power Roles so far. On the other hand there were no powerful Mafia PR flips up to now so it's about time we get to see some more serious stuff in a 18 player game. Probably a 4-man scum team or some ridiculous indie side but you seriously can't trust X1. Probably some gambit because I had him on my scum list.

You essentially claimed to be the mafia stalker if you truly "know" I'm an arsonist. If not you're lying.

Unvote Vote X1

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Cool.

If you're town, vote yourself please to speed this up.

If he is a stalker, cop will find out tomorrow because the cop is going to figure out X1's alignment. Won't you, cop? Hell, we'll find it out anyways because there isn't a chance in hell mafia would let him live, now would they?

Btw, cop? If Zen isn't dead tomorrow, claim. Zen will then protect you and we can use your ability as we please. If Zen IS dead tomorrow, stay silent until you get a mafia member and then go ahead and claim immediately.

Regardless, an arsonist could easily be an independent faction here. Considering we had two deaths last night, one mafia and one town, I'm going to go ahead and assume that we have a mafia that can NKill and a town Vig. It would be downright insane for mafia to be able to NKill AND have an arsonist. They could prime all sorts of people while NKilling away and then BOOM. Town would be none the wiser and lose 3 or 4 players. That's a bit odd for balance, now isn't it?

It doesn't really matter anyway if X1-12 is mafia. Mafia is less dangerous than an arsonist. I'd work with mafia to kill that powerful of an indie.

Also, I think I'm cleared unless you think there's a mafia firefighter. That would be ridiculous.


I do find it kind of hilarious that X1 gets ANOTHER Light of Judgement ability right after Villains, but hey, whaddaya gonna do. He DID manage to know my role, and apparently didn't pick up my shaq crumb. Hopefully I did this in this game and not another. o_o

So, to-do list for town:

Zen, protect Seph
Seph, watch Tandora
Tandora, OPENLY CHOOSE THE PERSON YOU ARE GOING TO MASON (hint: not me, as I'm soft cleared)

Cop, investigate X1 unless Tandora is checking X1.

Overswarm, your ability is now useless, you just have to guess who Gheb could have primed (unless you already did it!).

Vig, kill someone. Someone we know nothing about. Like Macman.

Lynch Gheb

Buy bread and milk



So now that we've gotten that done and over with, again:

Anyone that doesn't follow the plan gets lynched. NO EXCEPTIONS. I don't care if you're Tandora and are supposedly getting us masonries. If you say "i'm gonna mason praxis" then change your mind in the Night and mason Macman, you die immediately. Ca piche?


This leaves mafia to kill a stranger OR to go and kill Zen the doctor, which can't be helped, or X1-12, which saves us a cop claim (since the cop will investigate X1-12 tomorrow and claim if he's scum). If Mafia doesn't kill him and X1 is town, Cop won't claim right away and we get to use X1-12's ability!


So waht we need to learn toDay:

-Who is X1-12 going to use the informational ability on

-Who is Tandora going to use the masonry ability on


THEN we can lynch Gheb.


If Gheb doesn't flip arsonist, easy X1-12 lynch.



Ah, the benefits of knowledge.


@Mod, do we not see what J will be since the Janitor is now dead?


Oh, X1? If you somehow investigate the cop tomorrow and don't want to out him (if Zen is dead), I'm sure you'll find a villainous way of overcoming that restriction.


2. Gheb_01 (possibly indie)
4. Overswarm (he's a firefighter, come on)
5. X1-12 (possibly mafia, but controlled and actions dictate otherwise)
7. Sephiroths Masamune (possibly mafia, but controlled and actions dictate otherwise)
8. Macman
9. mentosman8
10. Nicholas1024
11. Lionel Luthor ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-bomb. (complete inactive)
13. Praxis
15. SwordsRbroken
17. Zεη (Doc)
18. Tandora replaces Ryker (masoneD)

P-P-P-POWER PLAY.

Macman, Nicholas, Praxis, and SwordsRBroken are all up, everyone else can currently be ignored. It's pretty easy to figure out who of the "town" that are outed will be mafia after these guys are done. :B

X1-12 will be investigated. Nooooo brainer.

I PROPOSE:

Tandora sends herself to mason Praxis. I originally considered her sending mentosman, but it's better if Tandora goes. This will result in knowing FOR SURE if Mafia was caught, since if Tandora dies and Seph says "no one watched her" we know Praxis is scum and lynch him immediately. If we send mentos, Seph woudl have to watch Mentos, leaving Tandora open. We COULD watch one and protect the other with Zen's ability, but this would leave Sephiroth open and his ability will be incredibly important in the late game.

So Tandora masons Praxis.

Macman gets modkilled via inactivity if he isn't vigged tonight.

Nicholas and SwordsRBroken can claim tomorrow if we don't discover anything new, then we can lynch one of them.



WITH THE CURRENT SETUP OF PLAYERS REMAINING:

Mafia cannot kill those that are able to confirm or deny alignment and ability all in one fell swoop. We get a whopping THREE DAYS of gameplay before they're able to kill our power abilities via NKill. In this time we will have accumulated a wealth of information, and the game will probably be over.



PLEASE NOTE that the "blue" in that doesn't mean confirmed town, only "probably" town. Tandora could easily be mafia that is able to create masonries. Seph could easily be a mafia watcher or tracker or whatever. This is possible/i]. However, as long as people do exactly as we tell them to, we cannot be tricked. We will know when the house of cards starts to fall, and if they knock the tower down before we're ready we'll know it and can lynch them.


So, I reiterate:

If you go against the plan, you die. Going with the plan is how town uses your ability in its best interest. DO NOT attempt to be clever. This is no longer a game of hunches and risk taking. This is a cold, calculated game in which we slowly churn forward towards inevitable victory. Do not deviate from the plan. When we stick to one, we stick to one, whether you like it or not. Doing otherwise will give mafia an out.


TO THOSE WHO ARE SKIMMING:
FOLLOW THE PLAN.
 

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Lol so gheb you concede that you're the arsonist? Scum?

vote: gheb

gheb does have a point,

and wow people relax, this is the second day after the night ended. I'm ok with tanny recruiting me, since it'll prove i'm clear. and I agree with OS that we are in an easy position to win. So i'm not really worried about getting information.

Also, OS, since you advocated everyone full claiming why didn't you come out and claim yourself?

I disagree with people massclaiming since we still don't know all of the scum roles. Though it may seem like we're in the clear, scum might have tricks up their sleeves to somehow turn the game into their favor. Also we do not know how many scum there may be so we still have to be careful.

also I think that roles typical town/scum/indy powerroles may not be representative of alignment. Someone said something about how in one game a role was mafia but in this game they're town. Which imo is important and tells me that we shouldn't clear people based off their roles.

I was gonna say gheb had a good point about x1 being stalker, until I thought of this, So I can easily see him being town stalker.

based on actual scumhunting, I agree with gheb about swords and I think nich should die as well.
 

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Also, OS, since you advocated everyone full claiming why didn't you come out and claim yourself?
1. You're skimming. Stop.

2. I didn't advocate a full claim.

3. I did claim.

4. Stop skimming.
 

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Hmm, which also means that we can't clear Tandora/Mentos as town. I think one of them should be copped.
 

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You didn't claim, you breadcrumbed. X1 outed the breadcrumb.

so no i'm not skimming (tho I have been lol)

gtfo
 

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I'm R2-D2 from Scum Wars. Vanilla Townie

Don't take a Cop for granted. It's shockingly naive of you to believe X1 clear assuming I flip arsonist too. It doesn't matter how you twist or turn it: X1 must be scum. If he were a townie he wouldn't lie about it. But only a Stalker would "know" I'm an arsonist.

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Did you not read my post? I don't think X1 is clear.

also i'm not completely following your logic. If he were townie he wouldn't lie about what? Also i'm saying that he could be a town stalker. Why MUST he be scum
 

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Macman, do you earnestly think there is a town stalker in this game? Just the sheer amount of townie PR players already heavily balance this game into town's favor. If there was a town role that could find out a players role we wouldn't even have to play this out now because there's no way town could ever lose this.

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Also I'm inclined to believe that you are arsonists because OS is apparently the firefighter.
 

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Did you not read my post? I don't think X1 is clear.
You Ninja'd me. I was talking to OS, mainly.

also i'm not completely following your logic. If he were townie he wouldn't lie about what? Also i'm saying that he could be a town stalker. Why MUST he be scum
Scenario a: I'm town so he's lying about me being arsonist = he's scum
Scenario b: I'm the arsonist so he has a confirmed mafia PR = he's scum.

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You didn't claim, you breadcrumbed. X1 outed the breadcrumb.

so no i'm not skimming (tho I have been lol)

gtfo
You're not even trying. I've already said my character name and my ability name.

Vig, kill macman.


Gheb, you being a VT means not only are you expendable, but you can't be cleared by anything but an investigation. BUT GUESS WHAT. Killing you means we discover X1's alignment the very next day. :B

If he lies, you flip town, we kill him. Bada bing, bada boom.

If he tells the truth, you flip arsonist, cop investigates him and we go from there.

It's win/win. We have a guaranteed scum via killing you.


1. Marc (Russell Franklin, Samuel L. Jackson Mafia -- unknown one-post time bomb, town), died Day 1
14. Scamp replaces Xatres (Mafia roleblocker, Newbie Mafia 2 -- roleblocker, town), killed Night 1
12. J (?? -- ??), killed Night 1
6. giraffelasergun replaces BSL replaces GorditoBoy69 (Jill, Mafia Barhouse Sleepover -- janitor, mafia), lynched Day 2
16. Blue Yoshi (Ed Hicks, Tomafia -- plain citizen, town), killed NIght 2
3. frozenflame751 replaces vVv ChiboSempai (Gaston, Disney Mafia -- goon, mafia), killed Night 2


In additoin, I haven't seen a vanilla townie yet. Only "plain citizen". So I don't necessarily buy the "vanilla townie" thing either.
 

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Macman, I asked OS earlier if he was advocating claiming, he said no. You're skimming. Stop.

OS, you still want me as the mason target? Not Macman?
Why do you talk about people being vigged when it's obvious we have a SK (arsonist)?
 

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Keyword "apparently".

And who's to say that J wasn't the arsonist and got Janned?

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X1 is.


This isn't a difficult concept, Gheb.

You will be lynched toDay. If J WAS the arsonist and was janitored, the only way X1 would know that is if he was scum.

Thus, lynching you is going to prove if he's telling teh truth or not.

If he ISN'T, he dies tomorrow.

If he IS, he will be investigated and we can direct his power as we please.

This is easily a win/win situation for us as long as we lynch you first.

The WORST CASE SCENARIO, literally, is that we lynch you, you flip indepdendent arsonist, and mafia randomly NKill the cop and we get to tell X1 who to target.
 

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No OS you're being ********. You didn't claim when you advocated people should be open about hidden information, you claimed only once x1 outed you.

also OS that last statement is also dumb, mods switch up the VT name all the time to stop foolish metagaming
 

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Macman, reread my exchange with OS.
OS is advocating we be open with information that can already be deciphered, not that unclaimed people should claim.
 

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Macman, I asked OS earlier if he was advocating claiming, he said no. You're skimming. Stop.
you're right

my B lol,

OS is still foolish.

only thing hes being smart about is that lynching gheb is the smartest plan of action.
 

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Macman, I asked OS earlier if he was advocating claiming, he said no. You're skimming. Stop.

OS, you still want me as the mason target? Not Macman?
Why do you talk about people being vigged when it's obvious we have a SK (arsonist)?
Elementary, my dear Watson.

Because if there IS a vig, he knows what to do now. Same with JOT.

In addition to this, this means that anyone else that can kill is forced to kill who we direct them to. Thus, we prevent WIFOM in the future because of our rule. Whoever goes against the plan gets lynched.

So if we see an unexplained death from an independent source, they can no longer claim to be town aligned since any town aligned player would do what we say. The only exception is the target himself.


So you see, Watson, it doesn't matter if we have a vig or not. It is still the best scenario to direct one, imaginary or real, especially since it alters the plan of mafia.

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you're right

my B lol,

OS is still foolish.

only thing hes being smart about is that lynching gheb is the smartest plan of action.
Negative.

I am infalliable.

I am making the plan.

Thus,

my plan = infalliable


vig macman
 

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@OS: Why was that ability called light of judgement? I started actually playing the world of ruin on ffvi and light of judgement is what kefka uses to fry people. If its a game spoiler then just don't say. This is shamefully off topic but I feel thats OK at this point


on topic

Idea:

Tan recruit me
Seph watch Tan
Zen doc Seph

If tan dies and no-one visits her, I'm scum. Advantage is it saves the cop from claiming, increasing our chances of getting a guilty. Thoughts? It also stops scum killing cop and leaving me unclear

second one saves the cop claiming which helps


Don't even talk about gheb. Talk about PR directing
 

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@OS: Why was that ability called light of judgement? I started actually playing the world of ruin on ffvi and light of judgement is what kefka uses to fry people. If its a game spoiler then just don't say. This is shamefully off topic but I feel thats OK at this point


on topic

Idea:

Tan recruit me
Seph watch Tan
Zen doc Seph

If tan dies and no-one visits her, I'm scum. Advantage is it saves the cop from claiming, increasing our chances of getting a guilty. Thoughts? It also stops scum killing cop and leaving me unclear

second one saves the cop claiming which helps


Don't even talk about gheb. Talk about PR directing
He tries to get rid of 2 townies + Nightkill

Ignore him - he's scum.

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Even if X1 is a scum stalker, or town stalker, we can use him.

Recruit macman, lynch gheb, have X1 rolecop Nix and tell us the results tomorrow.
 

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Macman, do you earnestly think there is a town stalker in this game? Just the sheer amount of townie PR players already heavily balance this game into town's favor. If there was a town role that could find out a players role we wouldn't even have to play this out now because there's no way town could ever lose this.

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Gheb, you realize we've had Mafia Roleblocker(town) and originally town Gaston(mafia) flip mafia right? Original alignments don't mean much, not to mention I'm pretty sure I've seen some equivalent of a town stalker before. OS is right though: If you flip vanilla townie, we lynch clear-scum X1. If you flip arsonist, then we can figure out if he's town or scum from there. Makes perfect sense to listen right now to listen and lynch you, because we gain more information.
 

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That's actually not a bad point. Now that scum is losing they need to make drastic measures in order to catch up. If gheb is telling the truth and flips town then it'd 4 townies possibly 5(vig/sk) shot dying tonight.

but no obviously if gheb flips town, tanny knows not to recruit X1.

tho it is still a good point to bring up, if X1 is mafia stalker and did out gheb, he could still be trying to get 3-4 kills tomorrow night.

edit: @ what gheb said
 

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Sorry if my posts read shallow, I'm mobile ATM. We'll figure out how to clear X1 tomorrow. In the meantime, it's pretty obvious he's at least telling the truth about his ability (or scumbuddy's ability?). We can assume him town for tonight's purposes and then examine him tomorrow after we have Gheb's flip.
 

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Macman, no editing, and how did you conclude 5 townies? One SK kill, one recruiter death, one mafia NK, one mislynch.
 

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I assumed that both people in the masonry would die nvm.

also quickediting is fine just cuz you can't prove it happened
 

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Why would scum out the arsonist if they are trying to get several kills all at once? I realise WIFOM but idk

I'm pretty sure we can win this by pure numbers at this point thanks to doc/mason/watcher trio.

Consolidate plan now

How about

if gheb arsonist

tan recruit me
seph watch tan
zen doc seph
cop investigate an unkown
vig mac
me target nix?


I think if we don't out the cop tomorrow, we can win by numbers + directs, can anyone check this?

if gheb flip VT

vig me
tan recruit mac
seph watch tan
zen doc seph
cop investigate an unknown

People need to start talking about the plan, as its the most important thing.

If I get a role that is not clearly indicative of alignment, should I out it?
 

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Then Tand dies on your recruitment, no vigkill happens because we only have a SK, scum kills Zen, and town got rid of the SK for you so your scumbuddies can coast? No thanks.

Recruit Macman. X1 rolecop Nix and tell us the result. Lynch Gheb.
 

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Then Tand dies on your recruitment, no vigkill happens because we only have a SK, scum kills Zen, and town got rid of the SK for you so your scumbuddies can coast? No thanks.
This.

How can you guys even consider X1 town after these BLATANT and obvious anti-town suggestions? I'd love to stay alive just to help town win this **** when I look at people failing to see the obvious. Town won this anyway though.

It's possibly safer for Tandora to not recruit anybody. No point in taking chances when you can win safely without much thought.

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SK AND arsonist? or are you calling the arsonist SK? Arsonist can only prime or ignite, how do you explain two D1 kills?

tbh at this point the chance of getting 3 clears for tomorrow (tan, me, cop) is way worth it. That only leaves 5 or so players uncleared. Even in the worst case scenario you are left with good PRs and a confirmed scum
 

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I'm calling the Arsonist a SK.
Based on the mafiascum entry there are different forms of arsonist. Some kill like an SK, sometimes with a 50% chance of success.
 

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tbh at this point the chance of getting 3 clears for tomorrow (tan, me, cop) is way worth it. That only leaves 5 or so players uncleared. Even in the worst case scenario you are left with good PRs and a confirmed scum
Or with 4 dead townies [mislynch, mismason, Night Kill]. If there's a 4 player scum team then we have 2/8 mafia tomorrow, not counting indies. If there's at least one indy the game could be 5 vs 3 tomorrow - potentially lylo.

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X1 is not to be recruited by Tandora. X1, you are in what we in the business call the "hot seat". You might even be confirmed scum by the end of the lynch phase, we don't know. We plan accordingly.

Tandora should recruit Praxis. Trust me.
 
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