Mafia All Stars: In the end, it was Nothing Special

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Ninja'd

Yeah Swords can die now.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

EBWOP: Unvote,

Vote: Swords

 

[Praxis]

...the plan was for Doc to protect Sephiroth. You didn't even read the plan >_<

 

[Xivii]

I don't agree with doc directs. I think the primary goal of a doc should be to prevent a NK. If you guys said to protect Seph, then it's likely scum would aim for someone else. And I thought Tanny would be someone that scum would have to kill at out necessity. It's the same reason I didn't protect J N1 which is what I had originally intended, but Nich went ahead making doc directs so I decided scum would probably not kill J especially since he was being so town so I just protected OS.

 

[Praxis]

Unvote, Vote: Swords

Tandora, mason me. Sephiroth, watch Tandora so she doesn't need to be protected (killing her gets scum caught). Zen, if you are in fact the doc, you'll have to choose between protecting me, Sephiroth, or yourself; I'm not going to ask you to say which.

Vig should kill someone quiet. We still have several of those; town can lynch suspects as they will engage in dialog.

 

[Praxis]

Actually got ninja'd with that. I agree with the sentiment regarding doc directs; I was surprised at J's death precisely because I expected scum to avoid him due to the directing.

 

[Praxis]

Curious, Zen, why you said that out of nowhere? Has anyone tried to direct the doctor toDay?

 

[Praxis]

Oh duh, nevermind, got it, you were responding to me.

So you read the plan, decided to ignore it because you disagree with Doc directs, and then protected Tandora when everyone said anyone who targets Tandora is scum, which you missed because you skimmed? >_<

The point of the plan was so that both Tandora *and* Sephiroth would be protected, since doc protection goes to Seph and Watcher is on Tandora. If anyone needed protection, it wasn't Tandora, since we knew she was being watched and any NK on her would expose scum.

If you really are the doctor, please try to pay more attention to the game, because protecting Tandora was the worst possible thing you could have done there; she was the least likely player to be killed in the entire game due to being Watched, and you exposed your role in the process.

 

[X1-12]

@X1: Try not to twist my words when you ask a question.

I can only assume you are talking about your #821 and my #824. Firstly you never asked me any question, nor do I see how I twisted your words, I just asked you why you used such odd wording, could you explain?

 

[Xivii]

Yeah Praxis I get it.

I'll be keeping up more from now on. I'm in 4 games and I've been pretty busy so yeah.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

When I say "Twisting my words" I mean by reading into something that isn't there. I said "to make you feel better" because I don't think your a primary lynch target for toDay, even though you should still be looked at by the other players.

You also state you haven't mantioned any other games, when you referenced the way you are playing in the other game. Even though you technically never said anything about another game.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

This post covers pretty much why I want you dead, Swords. Stop nudging for me to make a case like that when there's plenty for you to respond to before that. You've been piggybacking Frozen all the time by how you followed his LL wagon but actually tried to make it look like it was your own agenda.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Nich, I think you either have some major explaining to do for how wrong you were about most stuff all game or at least you will have to step it up and be active and all. At the moment I'm leaning slightly scum @ you.

Will also look into X1 but I think at least one scumbag is between Swords / X1 / Nich.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

^You do know that Nich is being replaced.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Woah, that's lame. Can't give the replacement the clear, can't expect him to explain stuff either. Dumb.

 

[Praxis]

That's what a vig is for amirite? :D

 

[mentosman8]

Very good to know mentos clear. I hope you have more to say toDay than before because your input can be really valuable, ESPECIALLY when you're clear.

Why are people voting Zen? Tandora herself has confirmed that there were no negative effects whatsoever. What kind of scum role would visit somebody but not do anything to that player? Hop off his wagon now. The only thing you'll achieve is that he might reveal things that are better left secret for now because of your pressure.

Vote Swords

Really think he should bee the play. The way he piggybacked Frozen and his weak distancing from BSL reek scum.

I'll try XD Last week I was V/LA for most of it and the first couple days back from work have been brutal(also read as: this post is being made while exhausted and not nearly capable of re-reading at the moment), but the things I've read of Swords, I'll take a look into him for sure.

Facts are in bold for this post.

1) Gaston is dead and no one was made a fool. Although his role does not specify about the fool making ability, it is still safe to assume he was the cause behind it. Praxis and LL were both made fools. I would assume this means both of them are cleared as town because scum would not have wanted to draw undue attention to themselves?

Granted, Praxis and LL are cleared in my book already, but if we can solidify them as town, that leaves fewer possibilities of who to lynch.

2) My mason attempt went through with no problems. This concludes Mentos is town. It can hurt The Plan depending on his role. If his role is better than mine, we may not want to send him as a recruit. If it is weaker, then we do. I cannot talk to him privately until Tonight, so either we decide now openly risking one of us, or secretly send one of us to keep mafia on its toes.

3) Zen targeted me. My role was not blocked, I wasn't killed, and obviously I wasn't bussed since Seph saw it happen and my planned recruit happened on schedule. Not liking that Zen didn't follow the plan if he is town, but I cannot think of any other scum roles that would have targetted me. I would prefer a role claim from Zen to clear him, but am actually willing to let it drop for now since I have bigger targets Today.

4) GLG and FF both were on the LL lynch for D1 and they stayed on pretty much the whole time. OS and Gheb were also heavy voters for that lynch. Especially considering LL's claim of bomb who would kill a random townie (as compared to whoever hammered him), scum had all the reason in the world to push and push hard for the LL lynch.

The following people are still on my possible scum list: X1-12, Zen, OS, Gheb, nich, and swords. I suggest we lynch OS or Gheb today, I can recruit Zen tonight, and the vig gets whoever didn't die between OS and Gheb. Assuming the plan works as it did last night, we will successfully eliminate three of the six remaining suspects. If we haven't found the scum by then, that leaves only three more for Tomorrow.

Mentos, I'd like to hear your thoughts on if you should be the representative for the recruit or me.

Unless I've missed something crucial, this should be game, set, and match.

@my thoughts on recruiting: We'll talk about it when night hits. Don't want to give the scum any more info than they already have by discussing it in the open. Silly night only conversing between masons

You did forget Macman in your list of potential scum though, easy to forget he's around I guess XD But yeah, your plan's not too bad. I think town may be getting a little overconfident after a very good lynch/nk though, and everyone who was in Bioware knows that we aren't out of the water yet.

There are plenty of scum-related reasons Zen might have used a night action; OS seems to be implying that Zen is a cop. There are plenty of other explanations; a bus driver that targeted Zen, or Zen being a scum/indie poisoner. Zen has to claim, and if he's town he should have known better.

One thing I don't like about this is throwing out ideas that are logically impossible. If Zen had been driven to Tando, Seph would have gotten the other target AND seen who the driver was. Just make sure to think things through

I don't agree with doc directs. I think the primary goal of a doc should be to prevent a NK. If you guys said to protect Seph, then it's likely scum would aim for someone else. And I thought Tanny would be someone that scum would have to kill at out necessity. It's the same reason I didn't protect J N1 which is what I had originally intended, but Nich went ahead making doc directs so I decided scum would probably not kill J especially since he was being so town so I just protected OS.

*Facepalm* While I can agree in some situations, when you have a claimed watcher who is definitely on a certain person, protecting them makes it go from 100% scum caught if mafia targets them to 50%, you ONLY cause a detriment to the town by protecting someone who is being watched. Obviously things happened in our favor last night, but be more careful next time.

Anyway, like I said, I'm exhausted, but I wanted to at least comment some time tonight. Should have some more substantial thoughts come tomorrow.

 

[Overswarm]

Woah, that's lame. Can't give the replacement the clear, can't expect him to explain stuff either. Dumb.

You are Captain Obvious of the U.S.S. Scummy.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

I'm not going to be able to post till Monday guys. My dad needs my computer.

I might be able to get on one Friday, but that's only going to be for a short time.

 

[Praxis]

Lynch Swords tonight, vig Nix or Macman if we have a vig, recruit me, watch Tandora, doc protect Sephiroth/me/himself at own discretion, Overswarm vs Gheb tomorrow?

Also, now that mentos is in a mason I'm gonna get him confused with Halo D:

 

[Overswarm]

Macman is in this game?!

 

[Tandora]

My only problem with keeping the mason recruit a secret is the possibility of the vig hitting him by accident. We need to keep communication clear to avoid overlapping.

 

[Overswarm]

Tandora, if you keep your masonry secret I'm going to keep my vote on you for the rest of the game.

Yes, MK can back you up in case you die. However, we do not know that both of you will survive. We also may disagree with your masonry choice, and there's no reason for town not to have a say... especially since you aren't confirmed town.

So word to the wise, be open.


Seriously everyone, we have the game won as long as we are completely transparent about the information that is already publicly available.

For srs. Game is basically won as long as we are clear on what we are doing and don't have anyone pulling a Zen and going against the plan. Kill those that go against it, make solid plan, win game.

 

[Praxis]

Macman is in this game?!

-_-

If it makes you feel any better, I keep thinking Mentosman is the Mason Recruiter.


OS, I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with Tandora keeping her mason recruit secret, especially now that the doctor is out in the open and can't protect both her target and himself at the same time. Nothing worth voting her for.

That said, I still favor a recruitment of myself.

 

[Praxis]

OS, are you advocating a mass roleclaim?

 

[Overswarm]

-_-

If it makes you feel any better, I keep thinking Mentosman is the Mason Recruiter.


OS, I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with Tandora keeping her mason recruit secret, especially now that the doctor is out in the open and can't protect both her target and himself at the same time. Nothing worth voting her for.

That said, I still favor a recruitment of myself.

We have no confirmation Zen is Doc.

It's pretty simple. Zen protects Seph. Seph watches Tandora. Tandora recruits person that has been stated to be recruited. No one touches the person she's recruiting.

This removes four people for everyone else. Four. That increases our odds drastically of having our abilities be useful, and it prevents people from fuxing things up like Zen nearly did yesterday.

What's more, we now have confirmation that either

A) Seph is scum with Zen

or

B) Seph is a watcher

Know why? We were open about our information.

OS, are you advocating a mass roleclaim?

No. We need to be transparent about already open information.

Seriously, it's an easy concept. I know "be secret about everything" is the cool thing to do in a mafia atmosphere, but not when half the information in the game is open and two of the bad guys are already out.

 

[Tandora]

Tandora, if you keep your masonry secret I'm going to keep my vote on you for the rest of the game.

Was it really necessary to threaten me AFTER I said didn't want the mason to be secret? My last post was to Mentos saying we didn't need to announce our target.

Regardless, I'll say who my mason recruit will be as we get closer to a lynch.

 

[Praxis]

I honestly am not sure we should try to direct the doc. Scum can just kill Tandora's target, or kill Mentosman.

If we're going to direct the doc to protect Seph, then Tandora should try to recruit Macman or Nix. Vig can kill the other. That way, if scum kills Tandora's recruit target, they do us a favor.

 

[Overswarm]

I honestly am not sure we should try to direct the doc. Scum can just kill Tandora's target, or kill Mentosman.

If we're going to direct the doc to protect Seph, then Tandora should try to recruit Macman or Nix. Vig can kill the other. That way, if scum kills Tandora's recruit target, they do us a favor.

Hey, Praxis gets it.

We can effectively force the scum to kill unknown players OR kill the power roles that have been claimed in the order we want.

As long as no one deviates from the plan, this also protects those that have claimed. Both from mafia and from town.

 

[mentosman8]

My only problem with keeping the mason recruit a secret is the possibility of the vig hitting him by accident. We need to keep communication clear to avoid overlapping.

Was it really necessary to threaten me AFTER I said didn't want the mason to be secret? My last post was to Mentos saying we didn't need to announce our target.

Regardless, I'll say who my mason recruit will be as we get closer to a lynch.

Hahaha, I re-read my post after seeing this, I meant in response to who should be recruiting, not who we're going to recruitXD That would be an absolutely stupid at this point.

 

[X1-12]

I've got better plan but i can't write it up now

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I see Macman is mentioned as potential scum. How likely do people think it is for him not only to bus his scum mate [BSL] on D1 but also to actively try to convince others [Nich] to vote BSL as well? Not saying it's not possible but I'm definitely leaning town in his case and I'd rather see him masoned than vigged - Nich player slot is the #1 Vig target in my eyes and since Tandora doesn't want to recruit Praxis, I'm all for Macman being clear instead.

 

[Tandora]

I could be down for that.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

I guess i'll claim if i get another vote on me.

 

[X1-12]

@OS: You are the Firefighter, correct? I need to know to ensure that my ability works correctly. If so then I have a plan for toDay. Please realise I'm doing this for a reason not just to out your role. It is important you answer, and answer truthfully, and yes, I have thought this through.

 

[X1-12]

Don't lynch anyone till he answers

 

[Praxis]

...wait, did X1 just claim Arsonist? 0.0

 

[Overswarm]

You saw the crumb then, X1. What's up?

 

[X1-12]

I saw no crumbs actually, I just got pretty lucky with night action choices

I have a role investigation PR:

N1 Overswarm = Firefighter
N2 Gheb = Arsonist

We do no know who has been primed etc so I suggest we remove the problem now.


Lynch gheb
Seph watch me (No-one else target me ¬¬)
Zen protect Seph (actually do it)
mason recruit someone idk who


If seph dies lynch Zen
If I die Seph tells us who targeted me

Unvote
Vote: Gheb

Boom!

oh wait that's what you say gheb =]

[collapse=Arsonist/Firefighter:]
Arsonist is someone who can either 'prime' or 'ignite' each night. Priming covers a chosen player in oil, whereas ignite kills everyone who have been covered in oil, its an independent role like the SK.

Firefighter is someone who can remove the oiling from one player each night, they have to guess who has been oiled up though.[/collapse]

 

[Overswarm]

I'm Shaq.

unvote vote Gheb

Easy enough for me. I hosed down Seph last Night.