Madison WI Smashfests!

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

3 for one deal ouch.

I'll give you call later Sam. I guess you mean after 10am?

 

[LightsOutAce]

after 10 PM

 

[sanchaz]

I'm in madison. bug me.

 

[LightsOutAce]

I'm not coming back until the Friday after next.

 

[LightsOutAce]

Smashfests are starting up again next Thursday (the 26th)!

 

[FrootLoop]

I'm back saturday, if anybody wants to play sat or sunday I should be free

 

[Quaz]

froot loop come over, right now. Im off now and tomorrow. lol

Im bored n stuff.

 

[FrootLoop]

sorry quaz, I'm currently without a vehicle.
We could smash tomorrow, but you'd have to drive up here

xeylode this a quote from cactuar about that same problem you were talking about at the end of the semester:

In addition, if you go from 0-60 like that and your thought processes can't keep up with the speed yet, even if you don't make a technical error, you will make bad decisions because of a disconnect between current location of character and previous. People that play like that tend to watch their own character more than watching the opponent's. The consequence of doing so is that their reaction to the opponent's actions are greatly delayed.

 

[Quaz]

ah dang! Im too lazy to drive, oh well.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

I end up more confused trying to put general pieces of advice into play.

Focusing on your opponent not yourself. Does that mean my eyesight should be affixed upon my opponent only? Do I need to broaden my eyesight to not focus on a small bit of the screen, but rather absorb what I'm doing myself, the stage, and my opponent? What about conscious thought? Is thinking about I've been doing too much of Dair -> shine on shields over and over again getting punished for it a bad thing to focus on? Should I rather be thinking of what options my opponent has to get back on the stage once they are off it?

Broaden my focus and slow down my pace and reactions to every little thing. I guess I'll see how well that works out for now.

Not sure if I'll be back on Sunday or Saturday. And quaz, you drove out that one last time before the semester ended, you aren't that lazy.

 

[john!]

yes he is.

you should know your own character well enough to be able to control them without looking at them. always watch your opponent

 

[Quaz]

yeah Im pretty lazy.

Watch your foe. You'll eventually start winning.

 

[LightsOutAce]

I'm coming back Sunday because I'm going to the MN tourney Saturday, but I'd be up for playing during the week since no one will have any homework yet.

 

[FrootLoop]

you shouldn't have to absorb or react to yourself or the stage. You control your character, it's not like when you move the cstick, the game randomly chooses which smash attack you're going to do. You shouldn't have to watch marth to see how far your ledgehop waveland went because you picked the angle. The stage is also always the same, you don't have to spend the whole match "reacting" to the fact that there's platforms on battlefield.

Tech skill practice takes the work of execution away from your brain, and puts it in your muscle memory. That way your brain can make reads and come up with plans and do things you have to react to which is basically just your opponent.

I want you to know that I avoided making 3 separate brawl jokes while typing this. =)

 

[Quaz]

Frank's got it.

It's really all common sense Xeylode, I think you're making it sound a little too complicated.

 

[danteistheshiz]

http://www.google.com/search?q=pizz....,cf.osb&fp=ff15db519ff48751&biw=1920&bih=950

Me and Trish ate everything on the whole screen. LETS ROCK!

 

[exarch]

In fact you should have so much control, you should be able to play with the TV off.

Sup Mad town.

 

[LightsOutAce]

Exarch, I'm glad you came to Madison those few months and revitalized the smash community. I never would have started playing competitively if it wasn't for those smashfests (even if I only went to two of them). You should come back and see what we've evolved into sometime!

 

[Quaz]

Frank is a beast now, but nothings really changed otherwise.

 

[Mundungu]

you shouldn't have to absorb or react to yourself or the stage. You control your character, it's not like when you move the cstick, the game randomly chooses which smash attack you're going to do. You shouldn't have to watch marth to see how far your ledgehop waveland went because you picked the angle. The stage is also always the same, you don't have to spend the whole match "reacting" to the fact that there's platforms on battlefield.

Tech skill practice takes the work of execution away from your brain, and puts it in your muscle memory. That way your brain can make reads and come up with plans and do things you have to react to which is basically just your opponent.

I want you to know that I avoided making 3 separate brawl jokes while typing this. =)

This is of course if you arent playing on FoD, or god forbid, PKMN stadium. I spend more time watching that stage than I do anything else.

 

[Moozle]

I'm back in Madison now I can't wait to actually go to all of the meetings this time! Playing so much over break got me back into the game.

 

[FrootLoop]

mundungu my strategy on those stages is to play as though the stage isn't changing and then john when they change and I get destroyed.

 

[Quaz]

I've been playing for so long that its easy for me to adapt to stage changes on pokemon stadium. I still hate that stage though.. peach is pretty bad there.

 

[sanchaz]

moozle dude. come to the union south and play melee/brawl. also come watch me body john9blue.

do you guys want to know something funny. I'm starting to believe that peach is the 2nd best character in the game. how do you hit a character that has a hitbox everywhere around her? idk, but everytime I see armarda play, its just like DAMN.

my top 6 are:

sheik, peach, fox/falco (tied I guess), marth/puff.

this list keeps changing for me every time I think about this game, ugh.

oh, hey exarch

 

[john!]

peach has insane potential

she just doesn't follow the same rules as most other characters

very misunderstood character

 

[Quaz]

is sheik really that good? its hard for me to see it I guess.

 

[john!]

dude it's sanchaz, he'll have a new opinion next time you see him

 

[sanchaz]

is sheik really that good? its hard for me to see it I guess.

I believe she has the best moves ( I was about to type in normals, lol)even when compared to falcos d-air. All of her aerials are scary with great damage output, and the range of her b-air is great.

yeah, she has to respect fox and falco, but if she guesses right on mixups, I think she punishes harder then the spacies BY a lot.

Her edgeguard game is AMAZING. killing spacies with a 50/50 and braindead edgeguarding captain falcon.

However she does lose against fox on pokemon, and fd, its pretty hard, but not impossible.

she defines the tier list. If there was no shiek, you have a LOT more samuses (sami?), maybe more marths, and other mid/low tier characters.

I have a couple other reasons, I'll update this later.

 

[Quaz]

Man, I think Im too biased from high competitive pros. I only think sheik isnt as good because I never see her win tourneys. I feel like Peach, Jiggs, Falco, and Fox are the best simply because of their placings.

Is that a bad thing though? Obviously Marth and Sheik are still pretty good, we just dont have anyone unlocking their potential I suppose.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Well, after the tourney this weekend in MN I was a surprised by its size. Healthy. Also, still don't understand melee, but w/e months to figure it out still. Brawl there is sort of... I 'unno. Good players, but also plenty of newbies.

I'm back in Madison now I can't wait to actually go to all of the meetings this time! Playing so much over break got me back into the game.

Glad your coming back. Hopefully Elbow/Knee and this new Zelda player will be there this week.

Anyone feel like playing sometime later this week? I'll have practically nothing to do tomorrow after 2pm and same on Wednesday. Actually, I've really nothing to do today either.

 

[Oro?!]

There is a sheik top 5 at every national Quaz. The problem is just there aren't enough good sheiks.

Peach doesn't win a single top/high tier matchup, they are all like 50/50 or slight disadvantages except she beats ICs. Who does Peach BEAT here (Fox/Falco/Puff/Falcon/Sheik/Marth)???

 

[Moooose]

peach goes even w at least sheik and marth

 

[Quaz]

yeah but none of them ever come close to beating Mango.. although KK beat Hbox somehow at Apex in winners. (and I really dont know how he managed). I guess now that I think about it sheik isnt too bad.

Its too bad M2K doesnt focus so much at melee now. Would love to see his sheik just beat everyone, lol. I think he could do it if he stopped playing brawl.

 

[Scythe]

i feel like peach loses to every top tier 55/45 except for falcon

 

[Quaz]

so does that mean falcon is her worst matchup? or do you think she goes even with falcon?

 

[FrootLoop]

peach has the potential to be a top 5 character.
I think jiggs sucks because her moves aren't really good enough for her to ride on the threat of doing a move like other top characters, she really has to keep doing moves to keep you at her ideal spacing, and I think that loses hard to any type of waiting. Her edge game is super good, but I don't think that edge play is really relevant to modern play. Peach's defensive threats are more real imo and waiting doesn't really get much going vs her.

I don't like using results because I think player skill far outweighs tier rank, it's like saying that the top tiers are who the best players pick as mains.

 

[Scythe]

so does that mean falcon is her worst matchup? or do you think she goes even with falcon?

stage dependant, although i think falcon dthrow to knee is the great equalizer

 

[hunger!]

When's the next madTourney?

 

[LightsOutAce]

April for sure, might be one in February.

 

[Quaz]

stage dependant, although i think falcon dthrow to knee is the great equalizer

This is true, but I've come to realize that peach CAN play a decent "not get grabbed" game. So now I'm not really as afraid of falcon as I used to be.