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[m-1, 14, 28] avril lavigne mafia - over

Omni

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I'm on my iPhone. That's why I can't tear apart your argument.

I'm not scum, dummy. I'm obv town. You should be ashamed for wanting me dead D1. No one is going to think I'm scummy just because you read into every new post I make as scummy while ignoring ones that portray protown actions.

please claim. You and zensei are today's hot pick wagons and you're currently at the top.
 

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I'm on my iPhone. That's why I can't tear apart your argument.
so why did you post in other games and not in here? once you're up to date (which u were) u dont need to keep quoting or w/e you said so idk i dont buy it

also, claim. you're at l-1
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d00d I don't buy it why can't you post on yur phone yur up 2 date right? u shouldnt have to quote or anythin so why cant you tear apart my argument on yur phone?

No but seriously, how are you allegedly obvtown with contradictory lines like this?

But judging from your track record of rebuttal to me this game, I have a feeling being on a computer over an iPhone isn't going to help you get any closer to "destroying my arguments" than you have all game, which isn't close at all.

I'm not scum, dummy. I'm obv town. You should be ashamed for wanting me dead D1. No one is going to think I'm scummy just because you read into every new post I make as scummy while ignoring ones that portray protown actions.

please claim. You and zensei are today's hot pick wagons and you're currently at the top.
Yes because everyone should conveniently ignore the scummy stuff you post because as long as some stuff you post can be considered pro-town, you must be pro-town right? What a reasonable conclusion, I must say.

It's funny because I could literally pitch your own line right back at you and you'd throw a **** fit over it about how little sense it makes, which I would expect. But of course this has been your standard defense the whole game and humans are creatures of habit after all.

You can stop trying to bully me into claiming by trying btw, because it won't work. I think everyone else in this game can speak for themselves without you exaggerating or straight up misrepresenting their stances. If people read my latest posts and still want me to claim, and say so, I will. Not gonna happen any time before that though.
 

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Omni isn't cleared town in the slightest.

That said, he's participating and making connections. flame, you've been incredibly inactive. You're a target for today, partially for your lurking. YOu dug your own grave on this one.



And frozen? You take forever to say nothing. I'd liek you to claim because I want information. I'm not going to hammer or anything unless others ask you to claim and you haven't claimed by tomorrow though.
 

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Majority of my smaller post in the game have been from my iPhone. Just because I can't type an essay on here doesn't mean I can't get things done which I have. Your excuse is that you can only get things done via quoting and whatnot. That's not how it works.

If you recall our original face off was from me picking apart your first post and clearly pointing out how it was mainly an incomplete inaccurate mayhem.

I didn't say ignore scummy stuff. I said take into account protown actions. You've failed to touch on these and rather ignore anything I've done that can't really be twisted into a negative limelight. If you think your case against me is so well thought out and your LoA is on point why isn't anyone supporting your lynch for me? Because it's weak and wrong.

I've acknowledged your posts that I've liked via drunk Omni. I've reread the game assuming you were town. You've just been gone. Come back and say Omni is scum and scumhunt a tad. Rinse. Repeated.

Im not bullying you. 2 days before deadline. Don't want to wait till last minute so we can move to Zensei if your claim is good enough to keep you alive. Your empty promises to stay more active doesn't help in the least bit so I'd rather you get on the ball and claim now then risk you fading away again.
 

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Zensei is playing very similarly to how he played in PikMafia, the "agreeable quiet guy" type of play.
He was scum there.
Wow? I didn't play anything like that there. Any one who reads it will clearly be able to see that. This is very bad metagaming. In fact you had an opposite opinion when critiquing the game. So why are you saying this here? FoS: M-K

I'll read other posts when I'm not on wiinet, this just stuck out to me.
 

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Wow? I didn't play anything like that there. Any one who reads it will clearly be able to see that. This is very bad metagaming. In fact you had an opposite opinion when critiquing the game. So why are you saying this here? FoS: M-K

I'll read other posts when I'm not on wiinet, this just stuck out to me.
Objection. I'm not about to read the whole game, but the critique of your play IS that you blended in (and agreeable quite guys blend in pretty easily). That's not an "opposite opinion" in my book. Here's the quote if anyone wants it.


Zensei/Swiss

Winnarrhhhzzzzzz. What can I say, you two really held out. Zensei was perfectly blended in, PERFECTLY, and Swiss was just so **** assertive that you almost felt like crying while voting him. Really a good combo, I would maybe consider hydra'ing in the future for a fun time!
 

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Read through Frozen's case on Zensei again, and it looks good to me. I'm undecided as far as his case on Omni goes, but we can tackle that tomorrow. Let's lynch Zensei and go from there.

Unvote
Vote: Zensei
 

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You know frozen, to be honest, I wouldn't mind you claiming myself. You seem to be the play and I rather you not claim on the last day and then we scramble for another lynch choice out of rush.

Also, you claiming now, we can look at the claim and then come up with a conclusion of what to do.
 

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@ OS: You say "atleast omni has been active and making" connections as if I have done neither. obviously i haven't been nearly as active as omni, but how could you possibly think i haven't been making connections I made my stances on everyone very clear.

I understand that my inactivity doesn't make me look town at all and that it is why im under fire but thats pretty much all im getting from you guys in terms of why im scummy. You say i've dug my own grave partially because im inactive but theres no explanation beyond that as to what these "other parts" are. And if inactivity is the only big thing you guys are going to bring against me then i havent dug myself into a grave at all considering how hollow a case that is.

Ultimately though i understand we dont wanna do a bunch of rushed wagons to claims before the deadline, so when i get home from work tonight if the majority of people who actually speak up from now till then want me to claim i will do so tonight.

People should make their stance very clear about that when they post, whether they are for or against me claiming.

Also OS how exactly do i take forever to say nothing Thats an accusation a hear often and is equally often completely unsubstantiated.

Responding to omni next
 

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I'm not going to vote frozenflame, this isn't frozen's scum play at all, I just don't feel it in my gut.
 

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So yeah, since no one is biting on Omni I'm down with a Zensei wagon. But just wanted to point out a few other things:

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10854797&postcount=789

No follow up on this. Like at all.
which was

O_O

these are close so the same kinda readsz tat havim aving now
impsossibel
ogmgm this is not good

its kinda neutral on ltos of peolpes but thats kinda how if eel on most peoples iim not goetting too amny dnDEFINITE reads on people

jesus f'in yikesgonna have to rearda dn pretend your not scum mabe ust mAYBE
to follow up and as i repeated earlier i did re-read the game under the impression of you not being scum. i'm still comfortable with your lynch.

Can't say I'm surprised. Would be way too hard to stay latched on to me as the top lynch if he actually had to bring some solid analysis of my reads to the table and substantiate his push for the lynch with something beyond the hollow case he has atm, which pretty much consists of nothing but qualms with inactivity, disagreeing with my analysis of his early game play and related criticism, and pissant metagaming: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10887575&postcount=972
your inactivity puts you up on my list; that's why macman is next to you. you're simply not involved enough for my liking. your post style has made it so that you can come in, make a few longwinded and usually player specific pbpa, and then disappear. it is very convenient for scum to do this so. does it make you scum? no, but it definitely makes you anti-town. -1

your analysis of the game earlier was the nail in the coffin for you as i stated early Day 1 which is why i wanted you lynched. you practically agreed with OS after his pbpa on me as his case being solid. when i questioned you by countering his case you came back and said, "this is an exaggeration, but i meant that i agree with the core of what he was saying" a few times and pretty much chewed away at the fat of OS's post suggesting that there was a lot of fat to begin with. however, your first initial response to it was that he was SOLID. i was not on you because you found me scummy, but it seemed like a good opportunity to push doubt in my direction. os' post was not solid in the least bit. -1

as for metagaming there was nothing pissant about pointing out that you were clearly posting in other games and not in here. it's not even metagaming; it was a fact that you were not posting in here. your excuse/reason/justification for not posting in here was that you wanted to make in-depth posts with quotes and what not and that this game requires that kind of play but to suggest that you cant even contribute without having a computer by your side is silly to me since ive been doing it from the get go. therefore i didnt buy your explanation -1

you wanted me lynched Day 1. now you're pushing for me Day 2. i'm not the play. i haven't even been CLOSE to being the play. this isnt me saying it because i know im town; it's me saying this because there were too many other players in this game that were available and much more better picks to be the play. its like me catching a whiff of scum of marshEE then pushing him Day 1 with people like kirbybot, zensei, vander, mac, chaco, and you still in the game. just no. so either you're playing an extremely tunneled and stubborn town game or you're holding on to your support of OS's claim being solid and me being scummy so that u dont look like an opportunist. - infinity

finally, i have to look at the rest of the cast. i'm holding hands with a few players. i've deemed a few dumb. i've deemed a few townie or straight up not the play. this is all based on their play which i've carefully and actively analyzed throughout the game. so taking my lynch list of you, mac, and ever-so-changing alternate #3 combined with what i've gathered so far i am fine with you dying sooner rather than later.

also i want to see your flip because i have leads i'll be happy to move forward on based on whichever way you go. but mainly the people i find the most scummy are tied to you flipping scum

Seem fine? Nice non-committal yet indicting language there. Quite smooth. See it's its funny because if you go through any of my on going games you'd actually realize I've posted more constructive content here lately than in both of the others combined. Just because the post frequency here is lower doesn't have anything to do with how "fine" I am in each game, and even more certainly has absolutely nothing do to with my alignment is this or any other game.
your content in this game has been different because you've been on trial for a large percent of the game. i'm not giving you a chance to lay low like you may or may not be doing in other games. your post frequency in this game is simply compliments the total of your very poor gameplay so far. stop ignoring the fact that you've been more of a liability than an asset this game.

If you were actually paying attention to me in other games you'd also probably realize that a lot of my posts are during work hours in the other games. That's because they don't require the quoting and linking that the posts I've been making in this game need to adequately fulfill my ability to express my own thoughts as well as answer questions posed at me by other players. Posts with this kind of depth are pretty much impossible (at the very least painfully tedious and inconvenient) to post on my phone, so I don't do it.
i am ok with this. except to suggest that you cant really post via phone and avoid prods and making yourself looking unnecessarily scummy because "you want to wait to post larger posts" is not a good look. you were avoiding the game. you didnt even post on your phone to say, "post coming up" until you were prodded. so your johns are not accepted by me

So yeah if you think you can pull me around by my balls with an empty case and some fair weather lynch pressure you're sadly mistaken.

If people absolutely refuse to budge even after considering the latest and greatest on Zensei I'll claim if that's what it comes down to. Still some time though before that's necessary for heads to be pulled out of *****.
the only one pulling themselves around by the balls is you. imagine. if my case is so weak and you're looking to be the play for the past two days then that must mean your own gameplay is empty and poor. my case on you isn't huge and dramatic and detailed specific. im not trying to twist every little post you make and make it seem scummy. i'm just taking the general way that you've played this game and made remarks on major event (OS vs. Me) that i found suspicious from you
 

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missed the quickedit

EBWOP: "also i want to see your flip because i have leads i'll be happy to move forward on based on whichever way you go. but mainly the people i find the most scummy are tied to you flipping scum"
 

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@ Omni: Just because you have been making small post from your phone does not mean i could have nor should done so considering my status in this game. Do you honestly think that people would have been content with me posting incomplete, non-thourough stances on people in order to answer their questions

Hell no they wouldn't. And you probably would have loved for me to do that so you could rip it apart. The point is that based on my standing in the game, posting little posts with little depth wasn't going to show people that im town. In fact it wouldve just made me look even worse. So instead of doing that i actually waited until i had the time and means to put together a quality post before posting instead of distracting people with incomplete thoughts and cases.

I remember your original rebuttal to my analysis of you in early game but YOU seem to have forgotten my counter rebuttal, which in large part still stands and/or remains unanswered.

So basically your response to my case on you is "you arent looking at all the protown stuff i've done" and appeal to the masses once again. Didn't expect you to use the same logical fallacy twice in a row so quickly. It really baffles me how people still have town reads on you.

You continue to fail to realize that i have taken your "protown" actions into account. As ive already said though multiple times, scum can and do do protown things all the time. If they dont they would never win. Its the scummy things that people do that are the most telling of their alignment, not their bread and butter standard townish actions. Just because you've done a phenomenal job of playing up the things youve done that seem pro town, down played your scummy aspects, and convinced a lot of people that you are legit and not just loud scum who seems protown to the non watchful eye, doesnt take away at all from my case on you and anlysis of your scummy behavior.

Any scum can seem protown. Acting protown is the easy part. Its weaving in and hiding the scummy intent thats the hard part and i've found yours.

And btw making exaggerated statements that suggest everyone wants me to claim which iisnt true, and sayig **** like "oh i just wanna hammer him without a claim anyway" is bullying and appealing to masses, albeit false masses.

And i've been eppic ninjad by omni while writing this on my phone but some of what i said here applies to his new stuff. Gonnna start working on what it doesnt cover.
 

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Just because I'm up to date doesn't mean I can't and won't use posts that are from pages and pages ago, like I needed to to explain my reasoning fro voting Zensei. Maybe you didn't realize this as scum Omni, but useful and pertinant information DOES STILL EXIST beyond the most recent 120 posts or so.
no one has a problem with you making the longwinded posts that you do. the problem is that when these posts are being made you're always behind and never really involved with current conversations. it's been your pattern the entire game. your last sentence is just a jab that has nothing to do with what i've said or done. did you miss my conversation with Tom talking about how i have disconnections from early game that i am looking at as of toDay?

probably

This game has a lot more depth to it than the others and a lot more digging needs to be done to make any sort of legitimate case. To put it simply, the post that I was expected to make and had been putting off (i.e. my last one) was NOT something I could have quickly or easily done on my phone.
this is ok.

getting prodded and going inactive again after saying you're going to do better altho you had access to your phone to at least make some kind of contribution?

this is not ok.

You can say you don't buy it but with piss poor reasoning like that I'd be surprised if anyone didn't think you were just floundering scum trying to chip away at my latest rebuttal and salvage something of your metagaming LoA, is you can even call it a serious LoA.
huh? what's piss poor about believing you're avoiding this game when you're posting in other games and taking prods out the *** in this one? dramatic frozen is dramatic.

Argumentum ad populum at its finest. I don't need you to tell me that you aren't the only one who wants me dead or would be fine with it; I'm pretty sure I've been aware of it for awhile.

That doesn't make YOU any less scummy nor does it make your practically non-existant case on me any better.
apparently you do because you've only been questioning me in regards to my suspicion on you. lots of people have placed empty votes on you, bandwagon votes, and votes with small explanations but your main response line lies with me. idk about u but i'd be questioning every single player who wants me dead and finding out their exact reason via their own words to see if i think they're just hopping on a easy lynch.

so if you did find players who had little to no reason for voting you then yes it would make me look less scummy, frozen.

You call my three points of summary on your case minuscule yet you offer me no correction on my criticism and characterization of your case. All you say is "no that is NOT all my case is, way to leave out all your bad play!" and then you don't even explain what about my play is so bad according to you, other than the criticisms that I summarized; inactivity, my allegedly "bad" analysis of your early game play and related criticism, and your pissant metagaming. If all these bad things I've allegedly done and admitted are so obvious, then why does Rockin for example have no idea what you're talking about as 986 and 989 prove?
i havent really had many chances to talk with you directly and actively because of your inactivity.

and gee you keep using the word pissant. i'd think if my play was that horrible this game then at least i would've reached 2 or 3 votes on me at any given period. you're like the only person who has such negative things to say about my play so either everyone else is scared to admit that i'm playing like *** or maybe you should stop being mad that i want you to die and reevaluate your stance

idk why rockin was clueless about your play. it rubs me the wrong way but i can't hit him too hard for it because he replaced. he's also been concentrating more on metakirby and nich i believe so just like i wasn't concentrating on him he may not have been concentrating on you. simply put: who knows

In fact, if I've been doing other balatantly scummy stuff all day, why hasn't anyone other than you mentioned it? Oh that's right, I haven't and you're just trying the good old baseless pile on technique.
im just the most vocal. the votes have been speaking otherwise and you being a top 2 play two days in a row is what's happening

I'm digging my own grave? That's why I'm not at L-1 anymore right?
uh, yea you are. your bad play is the main reason why you're in this situation. kinda like how my good play is why i'm not in this situation.

No one want's me in Lylo? Really? I don't recall everyone coming to an agreement on that one.
anyone who has said they're okay with you dying toDay or toMorrow is fine with not having you in lylo. i think that's been a good amount of people.

That's ok though, just keep exaggerating things and tossing WIFOM around like its the scum spice of the day. Hopefully everyone will realize how scummy you are soon because it's becoming exceptionally clear with how poor you are at pushing when you don't get exactly what you want.
i don't exaggerate. i'm blunt. i'm not tossing wifom around like... its the scum spice... of the day..? wtf. i havent been pushing you very hard, frozen. i've been stating that i want you dead but i actually havent been too aggressive on the push. what you're doing to me is pushing a case. look at how good you're doing
 

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Also OS how exactly do i take forever to say nothing Thats an accusation a hear often and is equally often completely unsubstantiated.
If one man calls you a horse, tell him to **** off.

If another man calls you a horse, tell him he's crazy.

If yet another man calls you a horse, buy a freaking saddle.



tl;dr, Flame you need to have a few specific points. I still don't understand your overall message. Your posts are filled with fluff, adumbrodeus style, and it makes it a chore to get to your core.

I agree with your premise of Omni could still be scum, but he is not the play for toDay.
 

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Alright so Unvote: Omni and Vote: Zensei. Here's why:

He's a master at supporting at least a portion of the stances that every individual has put forth in this game at this point. He has set himself up to be open to virtually any wagon that could occur and could be remembered by said wagon's major proponents as someone who supported the effort. He can also be remembered as the guy who had some reservations about a lynch candidate in the event that any of his wagons end up with town flips. It's actually pretty impressive and the fact that I didn't even notice until I went over him with a fine tooth comb really surprised me.
I am pretty much open to most wagons. So many people are scummy to me this game, and it's difficult to get any townish reads on anyone at all. I've generally have just been posting what I felt at that moment, but my opinions have fluctuated a lot this game. I often post what I'm feeling at the moment just to stay active in the game and so people know where my head is at. Sometimes later on my opinions change because I have more time to look into things.

So basically let's take a look.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10877919&postcount=890

Ok so you're fine with lynching anyone? That's cool I guess.

Oh wait in the same sentence you just qualified that stance to put passive reservations on me and MK that you can quote if those lynches go badly. Hmmmm.
This isn't really showing reservation. I said that I would be ok with lynching you if it came down to it, but you weren't my top choices, and you still aren't. I didn't want to push for a lynch that I didn't necessarily think was the best while the choices I do think are the best slip by. But eventually people are going to have to come to an agreement on who to lynch so I let them know (those who asked) that I would be willing to lynch you.

You haven't shown how my play has set up a way that I can say that I've shown reserve on anyone's lynch. Sure I didn't vote for Kirbyoshi, but I was surely fine with his lynch. Other than my lack of votes I don't see how my posts has shown any reserve towards any ones lynch.

Oh and then you qualify the stance even more by saying Mac and Vand are 2nd choices. But as Marshy pointed out, what does that even mean? 2nd choices relative to who? Or what other "level of choice"? No top choices? Or are you still actually ok with pretty much everyone dying?
That was a mistake in grammar. I didn't EBWOP because I figured people would know what I meant. Vanderzant was and is my #1 choice. Macman was and is my #2 choice. It's not that hard to understand.

@ everyone in general: Seeing that people most likely wont vote for Vandy, I think we should lynch Macman today. His play has been the most detrimental out of anyone and it's just going to be more of a nuisance in the future. Frozen at least will post long blabber on occasion, but Mac has done utterly nothing (other than vote for me for being inactive.... _-_) and the fact that people just allow him to sit by worries me. In the event that he does flip town, I still think he is the best choice as him being alive is harmful to town in general



That's the problem. We don't know and get no explanation. This post is beautifully constructed to LOOK like stance rtrait for the lazy man, but in reality its just a "keep my options open and answer a question without ACTUALLY answering the question and just deflect attention by tossing some names and distinctions out there".

Beyond the post's inherent confusion, these alleged stances conflict with Zensei's play up to that point:

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=10855545#post10855545

Ok so Nich is looking scummier and scummier but he's nowhere to be found in your stance in #890?

It's cool to hear that you've liking me more and all, but it becomes unsettling when you say that and it DOESN'T MATCH YOUR PLAY AT ALL. In fact, you even reinforce your stance that though you are suspicious of me you don't feel I'm necessarily the best play earlier in the game here:

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10798709&postcount=525

And as I continue to look through your posts I don't ever see you explain where this stopped being true. You haven't pointed out how you were wrong and missed something, or how something new I'm doing has completely turned these stances on their heads.

But then you go ahead and pull this stunt:

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=10885345#post10885345
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=280287&page=25

So I go from being someone who hasn't been doing anything particularly scummy and has been getting better as I post, to what seems to be your near top, if not top candidate for a lynch (as 969 showcases and 979 solidifies when you put me at L -1 and don't even think twice to mention it) with literally NO explanation how we got from A to B, when A and B are just about as close to perfect contradictions to each other as contradictions come.
I don't quite remember why my opinion changed on Nich changed. I'll have to go back when I'm done with this. He's actually the only person I wouldn't want lynched today though.

I don't have the same reasons for voting you as others do. I liked some of the logistics you use in your post. I think that's why I started to like you more even though your posts are an incredible pain to read (in all the games I've been in with you). The reason I put you at L-1 is because of your stalling . It's getting a bit excessive to me. And it's quite aggravating. It would be nice if you would at least post your general thoughts when you don't have time to post these massive Walls of Pain :jigglypuff:.

I want you to claim. If it's good then I really want to lynch Macman. If it's not than you can die. That's my reasoning.

Not sure what you linked the last two posts for???


As I said before in my post with all my reads, Zensei is just content to ride by and grab on to the nearest gust with some momentum. He's been putting himself in a position that can be seen as agreeable by all players regardless of what lynch goes through, and at the same time allows him to push for virtually any wagon, or at least ones that are convenient for him.

I can understand the sense of urgency that we're playing with here considering deadline is fast approaching but that doesn't even come close to explaining these blatant unexplained stance shifts coming from Zensei.

I mean seriously, where's the follow up on this?

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=10824749#post10824749

Maybe him jumping ship to try and kill me now would make more sense if he had explained how my answer to #3 on my to-do list had solidified my scumminess I would understand better, but oh yeah, he never did that. In fact his comments about me in 802 would suggest that me following up on my to-do list made him think I was LESS scummy, not more. But who needs consistency when you've got a big juicy and easy lynch all nice and lined up for you right? Who's gonna notice that you just dropped your push for Vanderzant or Macman (http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10878762&postcount=903) as the top two wagons at the drop of a hat in favor of putting me at L-1? No one right, since you've already got virtually everyone eating out of the palm of your hand anyway.
Man you take so long to post that I tend to forget. I think when you posted your thoughts on other people is when I started to like you more.

As for vanderzant and Mac, I haven't dropped that at all. It was the fact that you continued to stall that I decided to vote for you. Mac should definitely be the lynch for today though.
 

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Objection. I'm not about to read the whole game, but the critique of your play IS that you blended in (and agreeable quite guys blend in pretty easily). That's not an "opposite opinion" in my book. Here's the quote if anyone wants it.
Do you consider me "blending in" at all this game? I played extremely pro-town that game which is how I "blended in".

Man dude your metagaming cases are getting seriously annoying.
 

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Don't see what is wrong with a Frozen claim.

@Zensei: Saying that you were protown in Pikmin is a bit of a stretch... Rockin/Nich seem to be saying that you managed to go unnoticed for a lot of the early game both here and there. This game is a lot more active by comparison, so it's hard to compare. But you seem to blend into game pretty well (except for Cartoons, which.... eh we won't even go there :p)
 

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btw I noticed that since D1 that Omni forms his opinions on everyone based on their thoughts on Frozen. If they like a Frozen lynch they are town, if they don't like Frozen lynch, they are scum.

If Omni is town, he must be extremely positive that you are scum Frozen. To otherwise play like this would just be absolutely horrible town play. I'm not sure why Omni has it in his head that everyone see him as town, he's been just as scummy as you.
 

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Don't see what is wrong with a Frozen claim.

@Zensei: Saying that you were protown in Pikmin is a bit of a stretch... Rockin/Nich seem to be saying that you managed to go unnoticed for a lot of the early game both here and there. This game is a lot more active by comparison, so it's hard to compare. But you seem to blend into game pretty well (except for Cartoons, which.... eh we won't even go there :p)
There was never a concern about my activity in Pikmafia. D1 I was some what silent, but D2 I was pretty active with 'scumhunting' and such. And I showed little content for very few of the lynches there.
 

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btw I noticed that since D1 that Omni forms his opinions on everyone based on their thoughts on Frozen. If they like a Frozen lynch they are town, if they don't like Frozen lynch, they are scum.

If Omni is town, he must be extremely positive that you are scum Frozen. To otherwise play like this would just be absolutely horrible town play. I'm not sure why Omni has it in his head that everyone see him as town, he's been just as scummy as you.
wrong, zensei. i think nich is town. disliking frozen is just a plus for me. if you found someone scummy would you not migrate to players who were thinking under your same line of thought

i am town and i'm not extremely positive about frozen being scum. however, i am very comfortable with him being alive just like im uncomfortable with you and macman being alive. let's say frozen does flip town. what about my play has been horrible thus far, zensei?

but finally glad to see you taking jabs at me. you havent done that since Day when i was under the OS push.
 

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@ Omni: Just because you have been making small post from your phone does not mean i could have nor should done so considering my status in this game. Do you honestly think that people would have been content with me posting incomplete, non-thourough stances on people in order to answer their questions
are you saying you're incapable of summarizing your thoughts into a single paragraph? or perhaps segmenting them? you make it seem like you're incapable of posting the same kind of posts you've been making in other games. dont tell me you cant do it; you're just refusing to do so

Hell no they wouldn't. And you probably would have loved for me to do that so you could rip it apart. The point is that based on my standing in the game, posting little posts with little depth wasn't going to show people that im town. In fact it wouldve just made me look even worse. So instead of doing that i actually waited until i had the time and means to put together a quality post before posting instead of distracting people with incomplete thoughts and cases.
you can post small posts and have depth in them. or at least have a point. a purpose. a motive. it's about the content of the post not how much words you type. u know this

I remember your original rebuttal to my analysis of you in early game but YOU seem to have forgotten my counter rebuttal, which in large part still stands and/or remains unanswered.
assuming this was ninja'd

So basically your response to my case on you is "you arent looking at all the protown stuff i've done" and appeal to the masses once again. Didn't expect you to use the same logical fallacy twice in a row so quickly. It really baffles me how people still have town reads on you.
assuming this was ninja'd.

im only holding hands with tom and spirit with marshEE and OS. people probably dont have town reads on me but they don't have "Omni is the play for toDay" reads. they're sensical and logical enough to know that there are bigger fish that are more appropriate for toDay's menu

You continue to fail to realize that i have taken your "protown" actions into account. As ive already said though multiple times, scum can and do do protown things all the time. If they dont they would never win. Its the scummy things that people do that are the most telling of their alignment, not their bread and butter standard townish actions. Just because you've done a phenomenal job of playing up the things youve done that seem pro town, down played your scummy aspects, and convinced a lot of people that you are legit and not just loud scum who seems protown to the non watchful eye, doesnt take away at all from my case on you and anlysis of your scummy behavior.
nah, dude. you omit a lot of statements and things i do. you've entirely ignored my scumhunting game towards the rest of the cast altho that was one of the largest issues you had with me early game. u dont acknowledge that our train of thought is somewhat consistent besides the obvious me vs. you and me vs. overswarm.

there's no such thing as too townie, frozen. i'm not playing anything up. the direct cause and effect of my actions cannot be questioned; only my intentions. if i am getting information out of people, pushing on inactives, asking good questions, pointing out interesting slips, etc. all of that could still me being scum but if they line up with majority of the cast as logical them im straight. i think that's where im at at the moment

how do you downplay scummy aspects? and i dont think i've attempted to convince people i'm not scum. i'm just playing my game and looking for scum. if you're with me you're with me. if you're not you're not. if u want to find me scummy looking you're going to have to make a good case cuz there really arent many holes in my game.

like im hitting you on your actions and how it directly effects the game. there is only small interpretation on my part on you being scummy. outside of that, it's you being active, you calling os' case solid, you almost being the play for 2 days, etc. that have been my driving point. you seem to do a LOT of interpretation of my actions and twist it to being scummy whereas there's not much for my to twist in regards to your play.

dont call my case empty just because i think you're scum. dont call people's thoughts on you not legit because you know you're not scum. you've portrayed this image mostly yourself. i'm not putting a twist to your gameplay. im calling it what it is straight from the surface and saying i dont like it

Any scum can seem protown. Acting protown is the easy part. Its weaving in and hiding the scummy intent thats the hard part and i've found yours.
no, you haven't found squat. hell, you said you found it early Day 1. my "scummy intent" mid-day Day 1? nah. you're latching. even if u think my scummy intent is there you continue to wear blinders and ignore much more problematic players in this game. there IS a problem with you wanting me to be the play and i will keep repeating this until you understand that

And btw making exaggerated statements that suggest everyone wants me to claim which iisnt true, and sayig **** like "oh i just wanna hammer him without a claim anyway" is bullying and appealing to masses, albeit false masses.
i dont exaggerate. im not bullying. im not appealing. im just being honest and saying whats on my mind.

i am, however, liking this exchange. playing smash for the evening but ill be around.
 

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i really wish Steel would just modkill him instead. then we can get a 2 for 1 special going
 

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Just my luck. Just as omni starts to actually engage my points i run out of time to respond adequately.

If i didnt have to get up in 4 hours to shadow a laywer in the morning, the go to work at 4 until midnight, finish packing and the drive all night to APEX i would spend the next few hours wringing what little is left out of this day but thats a luxury i cant afford unless i wanna crash and die falling asleep while driving tomorrow.

No johns though, and since im pretty much going v/la at this point, heres my claim:

Im Mayling and im a Nurse. My song is Girlfriend. For anyone who doesnt know what a nurse is, I gain the abilities of a standard doctor when the doctor role dies.

Still down with a zensei lynch and with macman replacing im down with lynching his player slot. Hes got like no content and the only reason i was ok with having him around a little longer is that his playstyle is very easy for me to read as the game gets older and smaller. A replacement takes that away so yeah, that player slot is about to become a liability.
 

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Vote Count 24

Frozenflame (4) - Omni, vanderzant, Overswarm, Zensei
Zensei (4) - Macman, frozenflame751, MarshEE, Nicholas1024
vanderzant (1): Tom
Meta-Kirby (1) - Rockin
Not Voting (1) - Meta-Kirby

With 11 Alive, It Takes A Vote Of 6 To Lynch!

Deadline is Friday, August 6th at 11:59:59 PM EST.
 

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it's uncommon, but it's used in specific set-ups.

i am unsure how to approach this claim.
 

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Omni, that's pretty easy.

We have 2 guaranteed roles, assuming claims are true:

Gravedigger = Tracker exists
Nurse = Doctor exists


When our doctor dies, Flame can be tracked. If the tracker dies first, we can always just kill Flame. I really wish that we knew who the tracker was just to verify that he exists, but he most certainly should not claim.

So Flame is someone that can easily die and we lose nothing immediately, but he could be a boon late game. We might want to kill him later if this is a straight recruitment game.



@mod request modkill on Macman
 

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OS, stop asking for modkills. You can't request them. >>

anyway, role seems pretty legitimate (especially giving to N1's result), so I'm pretty **** sure I don't want to lynch him toDay.

However, I wouldn't mind if people went for the MK lynch. Macman and Zensei lynch I'd also support (mainly Macman, due to replacements and not being too helpful in most of D1 and D2). What do people say?
 

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I don't know what it is about how you post Rockin, but I always ant to lynch you. No rhyme or reason, it's just like you're wearing all black and have a thin evil mustache that you just happen to be twirling.
 

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hm. Zensei full speed ahead?

im not sure right now. id rather here what other people think we should do at the moment
 

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Not Zensei.

unvote vote Macman

or


someone else.... who has been quiet....
 
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