[m-1, 14, 28] avril lavigne mafia - over

[vanderzant]

Vanderzant is still iffy for how poorly he responded to him being on my radar, and his continuing debate over how "it just couldn't be!".

.... uh no? Your reasons for me being on your "radar" were poor. You still haven't given a decent reason for why I was on your radar at the time, which makes me think it was VERY fabricated. Can you not understand why I think you're scummy based on this?

 

[M.K]

I've stated to you numerous times that I found your D1 material lacking and your early D2 material to strike a bad chord with me. Whether you interpret these as "poor" reasons or not, those ARE the reasons. However, you react like I'm one vote away from putting you in the grave. I understand that you feel I'm scummy for these reasons, but that kinda just seems like OMGUS to me, because I feel your retort is much more powerful than the means.

 

[vanderzant]

Your explanation for why I'm scummy came AFTER you said I was your #2 lynch. I'm pushing this point because you keep SAYING that I'm up in arms about being on your scum list or something, when that's not what I'm arguing at all.

MK: Vands my #2 scum suspect
Me: For what reason?
MK: I didn't notice you Day 1 and you had a weird post Day 2
Me: That's bad reasoning
MK: Why are you so hung up on this?

...

 

[M.K]

You're simply lessening your interpretation of the D1/D2 suspicions I have against you. You feel they aren't scummy, I feel that they are, it's your opinion that it's bad reasoning. I feel perfectly fine suspecting you, and as i said, you may not even be my #2 anymore.
Would it make you feel better if you were #8?

 

[vanderzant]

It's decent enough reason for suspicion. But for you to only have 1 other player who was more suspicious (at the time)... it just looks to me like you weren't putting in enough thought/reasoning into the game, or taking as many stances as you should have as town.

Tunelling on Nich and keeping a few others as slight suspicions, and then either calling everyone else Townie or neutral is what I get from you. After all this discussion of making people vote and leaving a trail... you stick out to me as someone who hasn't shared their views on players enough.

 

[vanderzant]

EBWOP: While "getting away with it" so to speak. People in general were more happy to call out zensei/frozen/me/mac for not discussing enough, or not giving stances enough, yet YOU generally got ignored. I don't know if this is because most people were content from their read of you out of your Day 1 AtE with Omni, but nonetheless, imo your reasoning was as weak as most (or weaker).

 

[M.K]

So let me get this straight, are you blaming other players for not finding me scummy, or are you blaming me for not being called out for not discussing enough?

 

[vanderzant]

I'm saying your scummy for having not enough stances, or enough reasoning for those stances.

 

[Omni]

no no by saying im comfy with vander im saying im comfy with vander living. like im not uncomfortable with him.

zensei can die over van. van dislikes frozen with me + zensei seems like more of the lurker to me.

but yea that's the general concept of my view @ marshEE.

uhm, i guess i understand where you're coming with from Frozen but look at him. hes going to do this all game. it's so easy to play catch up all day and waste day after day. i find him scummy and i dont want to give him an opportunity to coast through the game by disappearing for good amounts of time, coming back to be all "omni is scum rabble rabble rabble" and then disappearing again.

with a vander lynch.... i see... not too much info being garnered directly with his death other then indirect effects of a player dying toNight. most people dislike him: tom, marshy, zensei, mac, metakirby while he dislikes frozen and preferred him over kyoshi in a lynch. idk the connection between him and nick. i just like vander and dont think he should be the play for toDay. in a 3 man scum team i cant decipher any of his partners. he's got way too many disconnections unless he's a solo indy.

zensei i have less positive things to say. more like nothing to say except awkward.

os' game play has SEVERELY changed since yesterDay. he gets the most likely to be recruited award right next to mac and tom.

tom, dont lynch for the sake of lynching. your all over the place right now. i wish u would've applied more pressure on Frozen like you've been doing on MK. feel like you haven't really talked to him directly all game

so yarp, i cant dig this vander wagon

 

[Omni]

Request Votecount

i wouldnt mind pushing like zensei or mac to a wagon claim and then if its cool finishing off with frozen

mm the best of both worlds maybe

 

[Xivii]

Omni would you wagon OS at this point?

 

[Omni]

of course not. OS aint anywhere near being the play toDay. i couldnt wagon a guy solely based off my a hunch that a change in game play was due to a recruitment. well i could but that wouldnt be a good wagon imo. do you find him scummy, zensei?

he can be looked at more thoroughly toMorrow imo.

i dont think u and i have talked lately. are u cool with frozen dying? why have you been playing so weird this game? not to say that i can compare you with other games but im sure you're aware that you're playing in a manner that's very odd, right? and uh were you one of the people that parked their votes on kyoshi or did u move over to frozen later?

 

[Xivii]

OS has been in the back of my mind as suspicious since Frozen & OS Vs You. I agree that he shouldn't be lynched today however.

I am fine with Frozen dying. I still would prefer Vanderzant or Mac though. As for my weirdness, I was inactive a lot of Day 1 mostly because I was busy. When I wasn't busy, there just wasn't much for me to say. Other than that I'm not attempting to play in any weird way :o...

I don't think I had my vote on KY in the end. Nor Frozen. I might have, but I don't think so.

 

[Omni]

good answer as usual.

so how should we move forward from here zensei

 

[Tom]

omni how do you feel about rockins last few posts

**** your disconnections seriously that is weak play late in day 2 on page 24 40ppp

 

[Omni]

chill. the d/c's were mainly derived from early Day 1. there's merit to them so eat my shorts

i havent been paying rockin too much mind. he replaced chaco. i dont see chaco replacing as scum in a game like this; he'd have too much fun. end meta.

i think its weird that his top 2 picks are mk/nich in a game that's definitely split between frozen/mac/vander/zensei as being the play. then again, it seems like everyone wants to lynch a bit of everyone so *shrugs*

i dont see his question about asking what we could get from Vanz' lynch to be off. the info that you relayed was the same info we'd get from any flip. im sure you knew that he meant what specifically would we get from Vanz. what do you think we'd gain from a Van lynch tom

anyway, im not paying him too much mind. im concentrating on getting rid of frozen/mac right now. a little help would be nice

 

[Tom]

1- no merit to disconnections this late in the game. "everyone wants to lynch him so he probably isnt mafia" if that were true, he'd be lynched right now.

2- bad meta at chaco. check phoenix wright mafia. he replaced out as mafia (which is a game like this), rockin replaced him.

i know what he meant with the question, i just dont know why he would ask it instead of just saying "i dont want to lynch vanz." he said it without saying it out loud. i found that to be odd for a player like Rockin.

im looking at rockin right now.

 

[Omni]

1. i dont necessarily agree but ok
2. o rly.. i died n1 that game so i forgot. bad meta is bad then

well as i said i dont have any read on Rockin. ive been holding frozen/mac under a noose and attempting to unravel zensei/vander amongst other things.

the biggest thing about Rockin that i disliked was Chaco. his park vote on Kirbyoshi really bothered me. alot. he didnt even attempt to justify his vote on kirbyoshi on the basis of him being scummy. then his little "holy mother of slip" comment after you pointed out clowbot's post seemed uh w/e unnecessary. he didnt sit too well with me most of Day 1 but since no one seemed to take an interest to my suspicion i let it fade away

that said im glad you're watching rockin because i havent been paying him any mind

 

[The Angry Mafia Game Nerd]

rockin replaced chacoscum in phoenix wright too. clearly a trend

anyone you want tom? youre voting macman and hes nearly in wagon territory and you want more push omni?

request votecount

 

[Xiivi]

Vote Count 22

vanderzant (3): MarshEE, Tom, Zensei
Meta-Kirby (2) - Rockin, Nicholas1024
Frozenflame (2) - Omni, vanderzant
Zensei (1) - Macman
Omni (1) - Frozenflame
Macman (1) - Overswarm
Not Voting (1) - Meta-Kirby

With 11 Alive, It Takes A Vote Of 6 To Lynch!

Deadline is Friday, August 6th at 11:59:59 PM EST.

 

[Tom]

im fine voting whoever you vote marshee

actually im voting vandy right now

 

[Omni]

prod: frozen

u should be fine with voting Frozen who's been actively posting in Taco City mafia and steering away from this game completely

 

[Steel]

frozenflame has been prodded

 

[Overswarm]

@Mod: Request Vote Count

Bleh this game is hard. Frozen should still go imo. Or Mac or Zensei.

Vote: Frozen

@MK: I don't really know what to make of the meta of you. You just come across as... reluctant to take a strong stance. I dunno. It's like you're hiding in all of this discussion of meta.

I do not like this post, and I do not like the back-and-forth between you and Meta-Kirby at all. That screams of low-tier scum distancing to me. I'm keeping this in the back of my mind.

Omni, I don't like your reaction to Vand's post either. Vand can stay because he parrots everyone else's lynch candidates? You're better than that. Step your game up, Vand doesn't deserve your blinders.

OS has been in the back of my mind as suspicious since Frozen & OS Vs You. I agree that he shouldn't be lynched today however.

Which, of course, would mean that Omni's comment about my play changing would be in stark contrast to your own suspicion. Any sort of "agreement" or concern you could have based on your reads is aligned only in destination; the journey to said destination is radically different.

Omni, how has my play changed?

If you mean by posting less, that's a combination of wanting to hear more from other people and moving into a new apartment and going on a weekend trip with my lady. You should expect a bit more from me.






At the end of the Day (literally), we need information. We should find out if there's a NKill or not, but it appears likely that there's either no NKill and Vig combo. With KirbyYoshi's flip, we can now see that there is a Yakuza or Recruiter. Which one exists will be revealed naturally over time.

What does this mean?

It means we need to be able to consistently read people and create connections. Those being inactive or not creating connections can be killed. Killing someone who has created connections at this point could be profitable, but it has an equal chance of being disastrous; I'd rather remove someone from the game at this point that has no connections. If we kill an inactive / someone not making clear connections and they're scum, fantastic. If they're town, we lose someone useless. If we kill an active person and they're scum, great. If they're town, we lose one of the players we could likely catch as scum later via their activity should they be recruited, or one that could help us catch scum if they weren't.


I'm fine with a frozenflame or macman lynch still. In light of recent events, vand has also popped up on my radar and I wouldn't mind lynching him. If he flipped scum, Meta-Kirby would be an instant #1 suspect to me, but not necessarily an auto-lynch.


I am completely a blank slate on Rockin and I do not like it. I hate Rockin's style too, it's insanely hard to read.

MarshEE, what do you think about Rockin? Do you think his current play is acceptable?

 

[Omni]

You weren't doing enough of that. ^

I said Vand can stay because he dislikes Frozen and opted to leave the MK wagon after his patriot claim. I don't find him immensely protown but I like him over Zensei.

I'm bored at work. Let's get to lynching already! Tired of dragging these days our to its max limit.

 

[Overswarm]

You weren't doing enough of that. ^

I said Vand can stay because he dislikes Frozen and opted to leave the MK wagon after his patriot claim. I don't find him immensely protown but I like him over Zensei.

I'm bored at work. Let's get to lynching already! Tired of dragging these days our to its max limit.

I'm tired of it too, but you know as well as I do that with as many null reads and inactives as we have, it's necessary to drag these days out. Besides, dragging it out will kill inactives via prods. Flame will die soon if he doesn't consistently post.

We've got until Friday; we need to have a solid lynch candidate by tomorrow for discussion.



Omni, hypothetical scenario:

If you could pick a group of three people knowing that one of them would randomly die, who would you choose?

 

[Omni]

Randomly die? that would be bad since it doesn't leave a trail.

If it was a blindfolded vig that could randomly kill one person out of a group of 3 people at night I'd say Frozen, Mac, and hm... Metakirby.

 

[Overswarm]

Specifically, what do you think we would learn from each of their deaths?

Please give specific examples. Ya know, things like "if we saw Meta-Kirby die, I think his flip would reveal information about vanderzant due to their recent exchange".

 

[Omni]

I'm not using info as a priority for toDay's lynch. I think enough night actions will occur to create that info very soon. Also, think a flip or the absence of a flip will get things going really fast.

As for your question I think that's better left unsaid. If you are town and you're reading the same game I am from a town perspective you should have a good idea what kind of info will be revealed and how it can be interpreted.

Warning scum about possible connections or cases that I'm currently investigating will probably make them become more cautious or adjust their playstyle a bit.

There's a fine line between vocalizing opinions and discretion in mafia. Do you understand what it is I am saying?

 

[Overswarm]

As for your question I think that's better left unsaid. If you are town and you're reading the same game I am from a town perspective you should have a good idea what kind of info will be revealed and how it can be interpreted.

Warning scum about possible connections or cases that I'm currently investigating will probably make them become more cautious or adjust their playstyle a bit.

There's a fine line between vocalizing opinions and discretion in mafia. Do you understand what it is I am saying?

Yes. I know that scum Omni wouldn't have missed an opportunity to try to move me in a certain direction though. +1 mafia points to you.

Regardless, I have a post coming up in a second. I want to get things moving.

 

[Omni]

what do you mean

 

[Overswarm]

I'm posting something after this...

 

[Omni]

Oh I was wondering if you were saying +1 mafia points as a scum point or being awesome at mafia point

 

[Overswarm]

what do you mean

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNGHXBNnaxg

 

[Overswarm]

Meta-Kirby is the play for today until we decide he's not. Anyone who wants him to NOT be the play for today should give an alternate play as well as reasoning as to why Meta-Kirby should not be the play for today.

 

[Overswarm]

I've got some town reads (which I'm going to keep secret ATM), but aside from my top 3 I listed, I don't have much in the way of scum reads. I'd like to hear more from everyone except you and omni, but especially kirb-bot and marshEE. I just haven't seen a whole lot from them.

Found this while looking at MK stuff. Nich, you've stated you're for an MK lynch now and have given some more reads. What are your town reads?

 

[Nicholas1024]

The only town reads I have relevant to the suspects at hand are Frozenflame, and a slight town-read on Vand. Macman I'm unsure on (wouldn't object to him being lynched), but MK's my prime target for today.

 

[Overswarm]

unvote vote Frozenflame


I was originally going to post "****, my video got all fuzzy because youtube compressed it too much", but this is MUCH better.


Nich, were you recruited last Night?

 

[Nicholas1024]

Nope. Overswarm, why are you asking dumb questions?

 

[Overswarm]

Gonna make a post soon. I now hate music in games, btw... it crashed my browser when opening up Nich's posts.