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[RT]

I hope noodle sword has same sound effects.

 

[Marty.]

Ryu's low forward into hadoken is a safe blockstring. I mean down tilt to neutral b is safe on shield.
So if Roy keeps his Melee gimmick, Lucina might even become worse than she already is.

But what about if his n-special has been changed like Marth's

 

[RT]

His honestly should be kept same as Melee.

 

[KakuCP9]

His honestly should be kept same as Melee.

It is
http://gfycat.com/UnawareDisloyalIndianelephant

 

[Marty.]

Nice, more than just a clone now

 

[Sunnysunny]

So what's our opinion on the Lucario/Ryu MU?

EZ win.
Why would anyone even WANT to play this non-dog version of Lucario???
Complete rip off clone character.







okay but really i'll probably end up using him, ryu's the man, man

 

[Gune]

Hadoudog and Hadouman.... this is gonna be interesting.

 

[smbmaster99MFGG]

So it's basically Goku vs Goku

 

[Browny]

The biggest travesty of @Dabuz 's tier list isn't that Lucario is one spot above ganondorf and lower than ike. It's that he has the blue star for better with customs when all of his customs are bad except for like one aurasphere variant which is situational at best and still only good in like 5 matchups. Lucario definitely belongs higher than D tier though, he has too high breadth of options and too much obnoxious stuff like ASC > upsmash or the ASC ledge option select.

@Trela - please come back to us

IMO the biggest travesty is that he is given any attention at all.

Obviously the guy is good at the game, but his arrogance and attitude of 'Im right because you all suck LOL' makes for a truly awful tier list limited to only 'I think this character is good because I lost a match once, this character sucks because I havent seen one since I refuse to travel'.

 

[AlexoftheAura]

rabble rabble

I missed you.

 

[DomBadZZZ]

Zero made a solid tier list so far id say

 

[Steam]

peach being in low tier certainly isn't a popular choice

 

[MythTrainerInfinity]

So Hadouken does 5 or 6%, huh?

Fresh fully charged Aura Sphere at 32% does 14% (which beats out 5% moves) and a fresh one at 44% does 15% (which beats it if a move is 6%). Unless if Hadouken has blocking properties.

Gotta be careful to not get Shoryukened with our BReversals...

So yeah. Gonna do my standard max chart test when this patch is truly live.

 

[Croi]

If you input special attacks like Street Fighter inputs (down, downforward, forward, punch special), apparently they get something like 1.2x boost in power. Tilts get stronger the longer you hold the button, like weak/heavy attacks, etc. Hadouken probably does a little more damage than Luigi's fireball.

 

[RT]

I wouldn't worry about Aura being buffed or nerfed.

A multihitting projectile will be good just because multihits.

Focus Attack could be stupidly good at forcing 50:50 guess in certain situations and getting put into a crumple state looks OP.

Dtilt looks stupidly good.

I want to see see four Ryus in dubs.

 

[Sunnysunny]

I'm gonna play as Ryu and only ever walk everywhere like a true hadou master.

 

[Croi]

May be a placebo effect, but it feels like Lucario's jab links together correctly now. Replays don't work, so balancing was definitely a thing that happened.

e: they definitely fixed his jab. Went to Training, opponent is Sheik, set damage to 100%, whacked her three times. The first two jabs barely move her at all.

 

[Timbah]

May be a placebo effect, but it feels like Lucario's jab links together correctly now. Replays don't work, so balancing was definitely a thing that happened.

e: they definitely fixed his jab. Went to Training, opponent is Sheik, set damage to 100%, whacked her three times. The first two jabs barely move her at all.

SWEET

I can't test right now. Have you seen if it jab-resets and/or jab-cancels into something now? Or did they jusr make it link together?

 

[Nysyr]

May be a placebo effect, but it feels like Lucario's jab links together correctly now. Replays don't work, so balancing was definitely a thing that happened.

e: they definitely fixed his jab. Went to Training, opponent is Sheik, set damage to 100%, whacked her three times. The first two jabs barely move her at all.

Does the IASA on jab not suck completely now?

 

[Space thing]

May be a placebo effect, but it feels like Lucario's jab links together correctly now. Replays don't work, so balancing was definitely a thing that happened.

e: they definitely fixed his jab. Went to Training, opponent is Sheik, set damage to 100%, whacked her three times. The first two jabs barely move her at all.

Testing it side-by-side on a Pre-patch 3DS and Post-patch Wii U at 200% in training, there does indeed seem to be a big difference, as you say. Neat.

@ Timbah
Still seems the same in that regard.

 

[yessi]

B attacks now keep the fast fall momentum

Edit: actually.. No.

But there is something that feels faster...

 

[Pitbuller26]

Reading the patch thread on the main section, not one person has asked about Lucario.

 

[Nysyr]

Reading the patch thread on the main section, not one person has asked about Lucario.

I was going to mention jab, but I realise the thread was devolving into placebo quickly.

 

[LimitCrown]

I haven't noticed any changes in Lucario's damage output, yet.

 

[Steam]

"omg lucario's bair comes out twice as fast!"

"oops I didn't notice I increased speed to x2!"

 

[ShinnyMetal]

"omg lucario's bair comes out twice as fast!"

"oops I didn't notice I increased speed to x2!"

ha! that's swell...

I tried to figure out lucario changes (if any) but I don't know him well enough to judge things that finitely. Link, on the other hand, got some good stuff so hopefully Lucario got some nice business too!

 

[Nysyr]

Jab linking better is great, if the move was actually ever worth using over utilt. When both moves share the same startup and you can actually follow U-tilt with other things, why even have a jab.

 

[AlexoftheAura]

I haven't noticed any changes in Lucario's damage output, yet.

Even if there was we would never catch it

 

[Space thing]

So the Miiverse stage is supposed to cheer your character on right? Then why am I getting nothing but "Lucario super OP, please nerf" and "Aura S-tier" messages while playing?

Nintendo: Learn to filter properly plox.

 

[Kami~]

So the Miiverse stage is supposed to cheer your character on right? Then why am I getting nothing but "Lucario super OP, please nerf" and "Aura S-tier" messages while playing?

Nintendo: Learn to filter properly plox.

LOL, I havent gotten any of that stuff. just badly drawn lucarios and "wow such aura" stuff

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

May be a placebo effect, but it feels like Lucario's jab links together correctly now. Replays don't work, so balancing was definitely a thing that happened.

e: they definitely fixed his jab. Went to Training, opponent is Sheik, set damage to 100%, whacked her three times. The first two jabs barely move her at all.

The bolded has been stated by a few people actually so it probably is true. My guess is the only change to him in this patch.

 

[Stigmata]

Lucario's jab definitely connects better now. First hit finally has fixed knockback. The first hit of jab used to kill with max aura and high damage while it now just sends people into the second hit. This is great for Luc being able to actually use his jab well!

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Did Lucario's Fthrow animation change?

I might not have noticed this forceful push he does now.

 

[yessi]

Did Lucario's Fthrow animation change?

I might not have noticed this forceful push he does now.

It's the same

 

[MythTrainerInfinity]

Even if there was we would never catch it

You are seriously underestimating me.

No changes I saw as far as damage outputs for patch 1.08.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

So only change is the QoL change to his jab.

Which is fine with me, let us jab cancel faster though

 

[RT]

With how few changes Lucario gets over all the patches, he apparently is pretty much balanced design-wise, at least according to the devs.

Very few character have had so little changes.

 

[Stigmata]

I'd really like to have the 3DS recovery back though. Landing without napping would be cool

 

[RT]

That was added for balance purposes. Being able to recover from the bottom corner of FD and land back onstage with almost no penalty is pretty stupid considering you could immediately shield or roll away. Maybe reduce the amount of cooldown, but it definitely needed one to be "fair" from a design viewpoint.

 

[Nysyr]

That was added for balance purposes. Being able to recover from the bottom corner of FD and land back onstage with almost no penalty is pretty stupid considering you could immediately shield or roll away. Maybe reduce the amount of cooldown, but it definitely needed one to be "fair" from a design viewpoint.

Guess they forgot about that when they made rob/villager/pikachu.