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Low Tiers + Lowest Mid Tier project (Last Updated: 13-01-2012)

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APEX 2012[/collapse]



F.A.Q.

Q: What is the purpose of this thread?
A: To accurately portray how below-average characters fare in tournaments and to try and measure a character's worth after accounting for popularity.

Q: How far back does the data of this thread go?
A: 1st of August 2010. It's simply too much work to gather results from the whole year, much less Brawl's entire lifespan.

Q: What characters are eligible for this thread?
A: All low tier characters + the characters in the tier immediately above. As of right now, these characters are: Bowser, Captain Falcon, Ganondorf, Ike, Jigglypuff, Link, Lucas, Luigi, Mario, Ness, Pokémon Trainer, Samus, Yoshi and Zelda/Sheik.
The lowest-of-mid tier characters are included for comparison to low tier characters as well as themselves, since they do not frequently place top 8.
Any character not listed above used as a secondary invalidates the entry.

Q: How do I submit my results?
A:
LINK TO RESULTS
LINK TO TOURNAMENT RULESET AND ENTRY FEE

Player 1-Placing-Character A-Number of characters used
Player 1-Placing-Character B-Number of characters used
Player 2-Placing-Character C-Number of characters used
...

Q: What is the formula you are using?
A: 10 * Entrants * (1 - log base Entrants (Placement in Top X))^1.5 * Entry Fee/Number of Characters Used * Decay Factor

Placement in Top X and not Xth place. This means for 9th place I use top 12 and put 12 in the formula.

Decay Factor is the difference, in days, between the start of a tournament and the last update over 731 days (2 years).



Excel File: http://flayl.tengun.net/LowTiers.xlsx
 

Flayl

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He was trying to accumulate more knowledge for the BBR on how to sort the lower tier characters.
 

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is this just for low tier tournaments? or anyone using a low tier and having a placing?
 

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Right now I only have ideas for normal tournaments (with or without infinites banned). I don't know what I'm going to do about low tier tournaments.
 

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Ok, so far I've seen that for last placers to get 0 points and for the point distribution to be fairer I have to use top X as the placing instead of the regular tied placement. What this means is:

- For the two 5th placers I put 6 in the formula
- For the two 7th placers I put 8 in the formula
- For the four 9th placers I put 12 in the formula
etc.

For the sake of easy input, I'll do this conversion myself.

I'm thinking about presenting 3 lists. First would be the points characters gained in normal tournaments. Second list would be the points the top X players of each character gained in normal tournaments, which will only be available after a lot of input. Third and last list would be a low tier list ranking using Ankoku's formula.

I'll put up an example on how to submit information to this list later today.
 

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Updated first post with all the results I could find in the CRL thread and the character boards tournament results thread. Don't draw any conclusions yet.

code tag doesn't preserve spacing as well as I'd like it to but it'll have to do.
 

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Hey Flayl,

Here's all the results from Zeldas. Also, for each of those results for me, you can count for Sheik as well because I dual main.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=266165

Me and Riot got 64th outta 266 at Apex since we were both 4th seeds in our final pools.
You and Riot are already in the data (infinites banned). You two and KingKong tied for 64th in APEX and so you're in the top 96 (technically top 95 because bracket had 63 people instead of 64).

Zigsta can you find out if infinites were banned at that tournament?
 

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The zelda tournament listings are currently out dated. Are you looking for tournament results w/ low tiers? Criteria is low tier used, top 8, and not a low tier only tournament? singles only?
 

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In normal tournaments any placing will do as long as it's not last place. You can't have a secondary that's not one of the 12 characters listed.

Yeah singles only.

Data for low tier tournaments is going to wait for the next tier list (mainly to see if Ness and Ike are still low tier)

edit: Next time I update this the data will be sorted by date so people can find if their results have already been submitted or not.
 

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Yah, infinites were banned. Except wall infinites since there were no permanent walls available in the stage list.
 

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I'm not using tournaments that occured before August. I also noticed I forgot to include Lucas and Mario in the list, so expect an edit with an updated excel file soon.
 

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I'm not taking results before August. I should put that in bold in the OP.

also everything has been updated, I included the tournament that Espy won.
 

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The U.T.A.H. - Brawl Singles
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10498886&postcount=2
Entry - $2 Venue, $4 Entry
Tournament Style: Singles
Tournament Date: 7/9/10
Tournament Location: Draper, Utah
Tournament Size: 19 Entrants
Low-Low Mid Players:
__X__ - :sonic: - 2nd
Tsuteto - :zelda: - 4th
Z'zgashi - :yoshi2: - 5th
DZLE - :jigglypuff: - 7th
Rockmix - :ness2: - 9th

The U.T.A.H. - Brawl Low Tier Singles
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10498886&postcount=2
Entry - $2 Venue, $2 Entry
Tournament Style: Singles
Tournament Date: 7/9/10
Tournament Location: Draper, Utah
Tournament Size: 14 Entrants
1: X ($11.70) :mario2: SPLIT
1: Staz ($11.70) :ike: SPLIT
3: Yaz ($2.60) :zelda:
4: Tsuteto :zelda:
5: Lada :ganondorf:
5: Z'zgashi :yoshi2:
7: gangstakirby :falcon:
7: lanky_gunner :bowser2: :ike:
 

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Okay. You got mostly everything. I would refer you to a tournament Mr. Doom did well in recently.
 

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I appreciate the effort you put into formatting all that san, but I'm not going to include results from before August =/

I'll go edit the posts I put in the character boards.
 

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Good I'll add it. Just know that the tournament is using MLG rules which bans infinites.
 

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If the tournament bans any kind of infinite (not counting the 300% limit) it goes to the "infinites banned" side.
 

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K.I.D., your results and Sharky's results don't count since you also used Falco and ROB, respectively.
 

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Helpr (lucas main) got 13th as well at that Gauntlet tourney
 

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Zigsta, I thought it didnt matter since part of the posting criteria is that I state what low tier character I used and how many characters i used entirely.

thats why theres a 2, after the shiek and yoshi in our names.

unless I read it wrong.
 

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Zigsta, I thought it didnt matter since part of the posting criteria is that I state what low tier character I used and how many characters i used entirely.

thats why theres a 2, after the shiek and yoshi in our names.

unless I read it wrong.
Read Flayl's post here.

This should be added to the OP to avoid further confusion, Flayl.
 

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KI.D. the reason for not including high tiers is pretty simple, there's no way I can objectivally measure how much the low tier got carried by the other character.

RedX yeah I didn't add theo ther characters for that tournament because the results didn't have them and I didn't want to make any assumptions. Also please tell DA to include the full ruleset in his tournament thread next time, I didn't find anything about MLG when I first looked.

I can't add Bored's result in Quakecon. Maybe if he had placed in the money I could find a workaround but the tournament didn't even have a venue fee.

edit: I've updated the OP and the data post. I need to think how I'm going to do the FAQ bit.
 
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