Lost Mafia - Who won? - The viewing audience of course

[Chaco]

Why doesn't it make sense to get rid of Glyph, Ryker? Regardless if he's the mafias tool we've got rid of that, and if he's lying, we've got him there too. If he's truthfully the only anti-town kill then we're set to go. Surely you can see that logic.

 

[Asdioh]

If you had a gun, wouldn't YOU shoot Rajam and FF?

If I had a gun, I'd read the game


Come to think of it, what's the point of a tracker if mafia doesn't have kills?

 

[Asdioh]

Just looked through Soup's posts and I can't say that I liked them, but I have liked WL doing stuff since he replaced in. However, WL just claimed VT and we have no innos or tracks on him, so he's not "clear" and that is unfortunate.

Chaco's tracker mindset makes sense WRT what he expected Auspher to do.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Actually, you guys raise a lot of really good points about my role. From the role PM you'd never know it wasn't just a regular Vig, but the odds of the janitor (assuming there is one) just happening onto me N1 are next to impossible since I left no indication that I was a vig at all.

A MASSIVE part of our next move as town comes from whether or not I'm telling the truth, and boyos, there's only one way to be sure of that.

So lynch me. Preferably soon, since everything we've got right now is little more than speculation on who is telling the truth. For what its worth, I'm fairly certain that Kat is the last scum. Role just lines up well with the flipped mafia roles, and a killless mafia would need some crazy PRs to be even remotely viable. After that, I'd pick off Ryker because that way I'll have someone to talk to about the game (and he's really my number two pick based off claim).

PRs will need to be on point.

 

[Chaco]

Glyph, that's why I suggested initially, Ryker lynch you then kill Kata, and then we lynch you if no scum has arose from that.

@Asdi: WRT?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Though Chaco I will say a lot of your argument is bad. Like shooting every night, that was the best thing I could have done considering the people who were killed.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Why lynch Ryker first? There shouldn't be more than 2 mafia left, worst case scenario. Say they magically pick up a NK after my lynch, and then we're down to 4 town - 2 mafia with several PRs in action (which means more chances for claimed people to slip up if they're lying).

With a townRyker lynch we don't get any real new information other than he's not lying to us (I don't think he is anyway), and a **** ton of WIFOM if he flips scum (or game over if the fates smile on us).

If you lynch me, you know that I'm on the up and up about being the sole source of all the kills. Thats a HUGE tool for tomorrow.

 

[Evil Eye]

So Glyph....... you buy this "no kill mafia" thing too?

Again, with the fact that a no kill mafia means that three people die every cycle, and every one of those kills is coming from a faction that wants to wipe out the mafia?

 

[Chaco]

Though Chaco I will say a lot of your argument is bad. Like shooting every night, that was the best thing I could have done considering the people who were killed.

Why shoot Mentos on N1? That was horse****. Just because YOU thought he wasn't town wasn't any reason to flex the vig muscles on ****ing N1.

Killing every night as a vig is a massive **** no.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I disagree with that completely. I'll talk vig philosophy in post-game though.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

That or you've been the most on point possible with your doc powers. I have confirmation that I'm the one doing the killing, so its not that I'm targeting the same people as mafia (no idea why they'd be shooting for the same people as me but whatever).

Chaco I stand by all my actions, and that's the beauty of being a vig. When you think someone is scum, you just knock em off.

 

[Evil Eye]

Alright, so G Life. Give me two paths to victory, if you were the emperor of this town. Obviously you think we should lynch you, so give us that path. Then give us another path, where we don't lynch you.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Other path we lynch Kat and go based off that flip

And you all pay tons of taxes and live in poverty

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

AND I'd have a sweet cape

 

[Evil Eye]

I laughed, but I was looking for maximum detail on either path.

Well. I'm stumped again. Brian Dennehy's goin' home.

 

[Asdioh]

I wonder why Glyph would spend so much time not reading and then killing people.

Mafia being unable to kill is impossible if we have a cop. You guys realize that if this is true, we can just No Lynch every Day, and have Glyph No Action every Night, and have Auspher investigate at random until he got a result on every single player? The SK and Roleblocker have flipped, so theoretically there's nothing stopping us from doing that.

EE, what are the chances of something like an Arsonist in this flavor?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Or, there could be a very common mafia role called Godfather, just saying.

 

[Evil Eye]

I'm gonna start a full reread of the game tonight. Like inside the next twenty minutes or so. I'll read as much as I can before going to bed, and keep chiseling it away throughout D5's run. Hopefully I'll be done sooner than later. I'll do all the usual EE ****, even though it kills me inside and drives me to alcoholism and misery. On the bright side I already have the beard Jack grew when he went down just such a path.

God. I've been avoiding it this entire game, rereading it I mean. Denial. Just like Jack. I keep denying that I have to go back to the Island the early Dayphases. We have to.

WE HAVE TO GOOO BAAAAAAAAAAACK

 

[Asdioh]

I'm gonna start a full reread of the game tonight.

DON'T DO IT BRO.

Ryker, even if mafia has one role to counter a cop, that still doesn't stop us from No Lynching/No Killing every phase, assuming they have no kills. It just doesn't make sense.

 

[Evil Eye]

Ryker, godfather or no, you can't deny that the game would still be preposterously stacked in town favor. Oh hey, we No-Everythinged until we got all the bad guys dead. But hey, now everyone is town. I guess that means we have a godfather. Welp, PoE time!

I understand you're not saying that this is a good setup, but that's a copout to explain the number of ways this is silly.

 

[Evil Eye]

Asdioh I don't remember anyone ever getting set on fire in the show. The only guy that starts a fire in the whole show I think was Charlie, and he's already flipped as a good guy. If you want me to go beyond actually fire starting, then, ****, there's plenty of possibilities. Maybe the mercenary leader Keamy is an arsonist, and he primes a target every night by having a sniper-merc-guy position to get a shot on them, then they all die at once. You can contort a possible arsonist out of any flavor.

I guess mafia arsonist is a scary possibility in that it makes more sense than a completely non-killing mafia, though. But, christ, hasn't the watering hole been poisoned enough ughghgh

 

[Evil Eye]

On that note this is a placeholder to tell Tando how disappointed I am that she didn't put in Leslie Arzt as a bomb.

 

[Evil Eye]

God damn it. Just so much **** happening, and no quickedits is making me post way too much in this game.

Talk amongst yourselves. I'm gonna take another break and then start rereading, I guess. Opening Word.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Asdioh I have read the entire game hombre, and been an active participant save for early D1 and when my laptop sploded

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

EE, don't start the reread. I've got it now. Just let me finish MY huge post.

 

[Evil Eye]

I'm still going to do it, considering that the dawn of this Day and our claims has changed absolutely everything, and I need to reevaluate whether you still have my trust or not.

But I will wait for your post and give it a fair shake anyway.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

"I know you have more questions than answers at this point, but come to the enclosed location and all will be revealed to you."

Goodwin Stanhope had gone slightly insane, but that no longer bothered him. He was looking for release at this point. When the survivors came upon him, he smiled and giggled to himself.


He sat in a lavish armchair in the middle of a small group of trees. Pinned to each tree was a body. Sun and Jin pinned closed together, locked in an embrace. Juliet with a smile on her face that would haunt the survivors for the rest of their lives. Scott Jackson shrugged his shoulders as if in lament that this would be his final memory.

In the middle of it all, Stanhope smiled. He looked at the group and knew it was utterly futile to continue trying to live. Death was here, so inviting.

He looked them in the eyes, each of them in the awkward silence, finally ending on Jack and spoke one sentence before Sayid let him join his macabre gallery.

"Can we still be friends?"

Ryker, Goodwin Stanhope - Mafia Janitor, has thrown in the towel.

 

[Evil Eye]

Ahahahahhahahahhahahah what.

Are you serious?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Vote Ryker

 

[Asdioh]

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

vote Ryker

?

This game is dumb

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I ran into a cop/track/vig with no kill. What the hell do you want from me?

 

[Asdioh]

Well, I had my suspicions about why you wanted to keep Glyph alive, but... ._.

I don't understand

 

[Evil Eye]

I don't know what the deal is with this setup, but I thank you for saving me the trouble of reading 40 pages of this **** to figure out what I was leaning toward anyway.

Like, I really do. If I seemed snarky in my reaction there, it's just because you're Ryker and I had to wonder if there was a play to be made there.

And I'm really unhappy with this setup. Why the **** did we have a game where at maximum of three people could die per phase and none of them would be selected by the mafia? Having question mark flips doesn't fix that. It just makes the game equally as grating to play for the town as the mafia.

Vote: Ryker I guess.

Figures as soon as I accept my destiny all is revealed.

 

[Evil Eye]

I mean, yeah, Asdioh. That was part of it, as well as why he was so damned willing to accept G Life's towniness, which is of course a much easier conclusion as town.

 

[Evil Eye]

Not that I'm criticizing Ryker's play or anything. He had to keep Glyph alive and killing AND evade suspicion from a mix of strong players and investigative roles that could all pin him, from my current understanding. It was a ****ty deck. It's like Goodwin had to outrun Jack and Sayid after getting his achilles tendons slashed open by John Locke.

Buttmangled about no John Locke role in Lost Mafia btw

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I don't know what the deal is with this setup, but I thank you for saving me the trouble of reading 40 pages of this **** to figure out what I was leaning toward anyway.

That was the straw that made pushed me over the edge.

I'm incredibly frustrated with the set-up, but not mad at the game. You learn from mistakes and keep going, that's how better set-ups are made. I'm satisfied that I was on-point until it didn't matter anymore and I had to try and make a play.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Did you know I was the vig from the get go?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Not that I'm criticizing Ryker's play or anything. He had to keep Glyph alive and killing AND evade suspicion from a mix of strong players and investigative roles that could all pin him, from my current understanding. It was a ****ty deck. It's like Goodwin had to outrun Jack and Sayid after getting his achilles tendons slashed open by John Locke.

Buttmangled about no John Locke role in Lost Mafia btw

Dude I WANTED to claim Locke, but I was scared it might be no Jack and you would be John, so I cooled my jets and settled for Boone. I know more about Lost than I've led on.

 

[Asdioh]

17 player game, 3 mafia without a kill and one SK?
What are the chances we have an indy remaining, before we go into the postgame stuff?

And who brought up the idea of a non-killing mafia in the first place?

Spoiler

was it Ryker?