Lost Mafia - Who won? - The viewing audience of course

[#HBC | Ryker]

Remember when I said it would depend heavily upon a flip. I got absolutely nothing from that flip.

Who would kill Rajam over taking a shot at EE, me, Laundry, or the two psuedo-clears?

Either a vig or someone pretending to be a vig. Doesn't matter to me so long as they keep doing my dirty work for me.

I'm going to update my vig list at the end of the day.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Wouldn't Rajam be moreso a vig shot O.o? I don't see why scum would go for the totally expendable Rajam.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

And I get ninjad by Ryker saying the same thing... K...

 

[Evil Eye]

God there better not be a cult in this game.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@Hurley can you update the OP?

Man 7 people viewing at 4 AM? What the ****?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

@EE - Vote Frozen I'm not going digging into flips.

Gorf is definite scum, guys.

Vote: Gorf

Just go with me on this.

Claim if you've got a bingo. There is no need at all for confusion if you have. No one is following you blindly and if you've got one, scum have already figured it out.

 

[Evil Eye]

Ryker you're supposed to be obvtown. These posts are leaving me nonplussed.

 

[Evil Eye]

Or, well, maybe not. I'm tired as ****, and I really don't like these nonflips.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I can dig. So, you think, what, they're hitting scummy townies in hopes of avoiding town PR meddling?

I think we have a vig, Gheb is telling the truth, and that scum is running up against a protective.

Would not be surprised at all to see a different take on the "Retardedly Suspicious Vig" role I've seen under different pseudonyms in places on the internet. The first I saw was a game Laundry hosted with a Miller Vig. Actually, all of them have been miller vigs.

But then there would be a scum team and an SK in the game. Hentai Mafia II redux - Large style? That makes me shudder, but would explain a janning vig. It doesn't however fit with my Lover's theory with Mentos/Kevin, nor does it fit in with the priest.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Could scum have a janitorish role that affects kills that aren't their own?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

God there better not be a cult in this game.

I laughed.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Ryker you're supposed to be obvtown. These posts are leaving me nonplussed.

Work with me. It's really hard for me to play this game without rereading when there's no flips to give me fresh information to play with. There's also a boatload of people who need shooting. Frozen, Kat, J, and Auspher. I want to clear you, Asdioh, Gorf, and Laundry because I need you to be town when there's those four shooting range targets plus Chaco and GLife.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

What do you want from me EE? Ask me anything. I really have nothing to add that isn't speculation. I'd be willing to lynch any of the players in that list of four I mentioned as long as Auspher is given time to clarify his last post.

 

[Evil Eye]

Assuming Gheb is telling truth and we have a mafia team, throwing a vig in there too is risky ****ing business.

I don't know.

N1 Kevmo and Mantoast die. If they're lovers, I could see a vig targeting either of them. Can't see scum hitting mentos unless they just figured he's good enough to claw out of the hole he had and town, and wanted to snipe him early. I guess he softclaimed a PR there too, assuming he wasn't actually a bad guy of some kind. Hm. A little more plausible. Regardless, town Kevmo would be a good hit because he's so inactive but of course has a well-tuned gut.

But they'd both be legit vig hits too.

N2 we have Rajam. Can NOT SEE SCUM MOTIVATION TO HIT HIM AT ALL. AT ALL. Mentos and Kevmo have some, Raj just doesn't make sense augh. Unless they chose to no-kill to set up some kind of gambit. Or hit BP / doc/jailer/whatever makes save / some other town meddling, meanwhile vig guy hits Rajam. ...

I don't know. It doesn't math.

 

[Evil Eye]

I dunno, at first I was a bit iffy on your contributions but I can tell you feel like your head is full of f*** because mine is too right now.

 

[Evil Eye]

Alright for starters I guess, you said you weren't feeling frozen for D3 play, but right now you're chillin' on it. What changed? Tell me why you're with me. That's the one thing naggin' atm.

Sadly have to kind of agree PoE is the way to go, although I hate that route. The game design isn't giving us much else to work with here.

 

[Evil Eye]

EBWOP: To specify, you said you weren't feeling Frozen back on D2, when we agreed he's probably the S if frozen/asdioh is TvS.

Really really missing quickedits. Sigh.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Assuming Gheb is telling truth and we have a mafia team, throwing a vig in there too is risky ****ing business.

Gheb didn't know there was a mafia, but check the ****ing rules as a lot of them are copy pasta. I had to make sure I deleted the rule about having at least one mafia faction in Hentai. We can make them clarify that. Gheb only knew that someone else was killing folks. I buy that.

N1 Kevmo and Mantoast die. If they're lovers, I could see a vig targeting either of them. Can't see scum hitting mentos unless they just figured he's good enough to claw out of the hole he had and town, and wanted to snipe him early. I guess he softclaimed a PR there too, assuming he wasn't actually a bad guy of some kind. Hm. A little more plausible. Regardless, town Kevmo would be a good hit because he's so inactive but of course has a well-tuned gut.

Assume for my benefit that they're lovers since you're not changing my mind on it.

Only FF or Chaco (or you) would hit a KevMo for fear he was town.

But they'd both be legit vig hits too.

Which has been my issue from the start.

N2 we have Rajam. Can NOT SEE SCUM MOTIVATION TO HIT HIM AT ALL. AT ALL. Mentos and Kevmo have some, Raj just doesn't make sense augh. Unless they chose to no-kill to set up some kind of gambit. Or hit BP / doc/jailer/whatever makes save / some other town meddling, meanwhile vig guy hits Rajam. ...

I don't know. It doesn't math.

BINGO! No scum reason to hit him. The only reason would be for someone on the scum team to try and fake a vig claim.

I could EASILY see Doc guessing right on the protect with scum wanting to get rid of the players who are talking and actually scary (i.e. not Gorf). That's the reason I'm not up in arms about mafia not existing and we're playing some indy-centric game. However, the situation is ****ing off and the possibility is there.

 

[Evil Eye]

Christ. If mafia does have a stalker, then we have these question mark flips...

Mafia might end up with the perfect safeclaims. ****.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Man ryker y u so hatin dawg?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I'm poisoning the water hole, so deal with it for a moment.

There are no jesters.
I confirm the existence of independent roles or third factions.

No confirmation of mafia.
No denying the existence of anything but jester.

 

[Evil Eye]

That's a hefty watering hole poison you've got there, urgh.

 

[Evil Eye]

Hefty because I could see it. ****ckckckc

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Alright for starters I guess, you said you weren't feeling frozen for D3 play, but right now you're chillin' on it. What changed? Tell me why you're with me. That's the one thing naggin' atm.

Sadly have to kind of agree PoE is the way to go, although I hate that route. The game design isn't giving us much else to work with here.

I wasn't necessarily feeling it. He doesn't give me anything outside the possibility of a scum flip. He was still on my list of possibilities for today even before the last phase ended.

I expected to get a flip of some kind. Or a kill I could assume was mafia even without the role. I didn't. I literally have a pool of four players who I think are the best chance of hitting something, but none of them give me ANYTHING and the NKill didn't point me at any of them. The post you made concerning Frozen is full of what makes him a better shot than the others.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

EBWOP: To specify, you said you weren't feeling Frozen back on D2, when we agreed he's probably the S if frozen/asdioh is TvS.

Really really missing quickedits. Sigh.

I pretty much need Asdiohcrostic to be town based on his role. Feel like making him test it again today? I do. Especially with the possibility of alignment shifts.

 

[Evil Eye]

As long as we can make sure things keep trucking along and don't lose any time/momentum to testing it, yeah, it's worth keeping up for posterity's sake. Should run fine though since he'd only be testing on people we do intend to kill ideally.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Christ. If mafia does have a stalker, then we have these question mark flips...

Mafia might end up with the perfect safeclaims. ****.

Stalker being a mafia tracker? Meh, I'm not worried about that. They would have to get that stalk right, then actually be receiving flips, then have their janitor not reveal on death, then they would have to not be tracked/watched/etc on those nights, then they would have to not have a town role that could **** with it.

 

[Evil Eye]

Maybe mafia did get arsed over by town PRs. Rajam is just. Too not a damn scum kill. Literally the one thing I could see leading to that is Rajam gets targeted by a stalker N1 (which might not be in the game, don't let this poison the watering hole too much) and is the doc or cop or some **** like that so they kill him N2. Other than that I just cannot see a scrape of motivation for it, because even if Rajam was onto some baddies he was too all over the place (iirc) to make anything of it.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Why do I feel like I REALLY need to get set-up speculation off of one flip and a Lover's assumption?

 

[Evil Eye]

Stalker being a mafia tracker? Meh, I'm not worried about that. They would have to get that stalk right, then actually be receiving flips, then have their janitor not reveal on death, then they would have to not be tracked/watched/etc on those nights, then they would have to not have a town role that could **** with it.

Not sure what you mean @ first sentence. My point was more... well let's use my last post. Mafia stalks Rajam. Oh hey he's doc. Mafia kills him N2, knowing he's flip as ???. D5 or whatever rolls around, mass claim, oh yeah guys I'm whatever the ****, Town Doctor says the stalker

Dig?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Maybe mafia did get arsed over by town PRs. Rajam is just. Too not a damn scum kill. Literally the one thing I could see leading to that is Rajam gets targeted by a stalker N1 (which might not be in the game, don't let this poison the watering hole too much) and is the doc or cop or some **** like that so they kill him N2. Other than that I just cannot see a scrape of motivation for it, because even if Rajam was onto some baddies he was too all over the place (iirc) to make anything of it.

Claiming vig is the only motivation I can see for it.

REALLY doubt Rajam was doc/cop.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Not sure what you mean @ first sentence. My point was more... well let's use my last post. Mafia stalks Rajam. Oh hey he's doc. Mafia kills him N2, knowing he's flip as ???. D5 or whatever rolls around, mass claim, oh yeah guys I'm whatever the ****, Town Doctor says the stalker

Dig?

It was a request for clarification. I've always just called them Mafia Tracker.

 

[Evil Eye]

Ahhhh alright. Yeah I've seen a Mafia Tracker before, so I was pretty foncused.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

EE, check back here in a minute and let me see if I have something for you.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

**** it, I can't think of a way to do it. Disregard that.

 

[Evil Eye]

@mod/hida: Can you confirm that Gheb / MIB is completely dead via his lynch and that turning into the Smoke Monster upon death was just flavor?

Second request: Can you confirm the presence of a mafia faction?

 

[hidajiremi]

Vote count:

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!

Chaco: (1) WashedLaundry
frozenflame: (5) Evil Eye, Glyphmoney, Gorf, Asdioh, Ryker

Not voting: (6) Dooms, DtJ frozenflame751, Auspher, J, Kataefi, Chaco

Deadline is January 16th, 11:59 PM EST.

Thanks for flying with Oceanic.

 

[hidajiremi]

@mod/hida: Can you confirm that Gheb / MIB is completely dead via his lynch and that turning into the Smoke Monster upon death was just flavor?

Second request: Can you confirm the presence of a mafia faction?

I can confirm that the Man in Black turning into the Smoke Monster is just flavor for his lynch. As co-mod, I will neither confirm nor deny the presence or absence of any faction or role in this game. I leave that to Tandora, who will not be awake for about 3 hours.

Thanks for flying with Oceanic.

 

[Evil Eye]

I want to be mad but aussie accents are hot and your **** are too enjoyable.

Also thanks for the vodka.

 

[Evil Eye]

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I wish I were dead