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Lost Mafia - Who won? - The viewing audience of course

DtJ Glyphmoney

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Lets pick up right after my exchange with Mentos.

The ability to put work into the game without having any sort of lasting connection from it.
This post was made in regards to my own asking what scum would gain from pushing a dead player. If it hasn't been made clear yet, the whole daykill shenanigans was pretty much exactly the same thing that happened not once, but twice in the good ol' Moderator Mafia in the DR. Said game was discussed in detail after my death between myself and EE, so I of course figured it was a gambit (and whoa it was!). Mentos had a rather violent reaction to the whole thing, very solidly cementing him on my scum list (if you're looking for expansion on that, its pretty much the only thing I've got to my name in this game so go look at that).

I got caught up explaining the situation there, but the important thing to take away from it is that I did not believe Mentos was actually dead. However, it was very important to do what I could to help Mentos believe he was (though based off the beginning of this post I am fairly certain he was aware that he alive for the duration of the exchange. Hard to believe that the possibility of the shot being fake would never cross his mind).

Actually reading back, I think I was WIFOMing myself earlier with thinking mentos' reaction was too polished. It doesn't rub me any way in particular..
Hate hate hate this. When things are looking like they might be working out poorly for Mentos, you're pretty certain he's scum. But when people come out supporting him, you back out on it with something I hesitate to even qualify as an excuse. So if Mentos flips scum, you're next on my list. If he's town, then hey I guess you just had a change of heart at a very coincidental time.

Blah blah Acro stuff, Circus wagon rises up because he's apparently more inactive than even I am but I'd much rather actually get something out of the day and leave inactives for the vig.

In regards to the BRoom game I was in, I did in fact replace out of it and I was indy, though it had nothing to do with activity. I pretty much found myself in a mafia environment I wasn't particularly capable of performing in (the players there know a lot about each other and were capable of using that to push things a lot during D1, leaving me scratching my head). I replaced out because, frankly, I was completely outclassed.

Not a whole lot of new information, but I'm up to date on pretty much everything.
 

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Effective immediately J is replacing Circus.

Deadline has been extended to 11:59 PM EST December 26th.

Prod inactivity will be waived during this time because of the holidays. I request that people attempt to stay active during that time, but I realize you all have families and whatnot.
 

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Heeeeeeyo everyone. I'll be trying to catch up over the next day or two but probably won't get far tonight simply because I am tired. ^^"
 

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I'm going to read the game and actually develop a plan of action. I've been distracted by F&L because of some suicidal mafiat.
 

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So I'm not smart and decided to stay up and read through this game simply because I couldn't sleep. Anyways I will make a post in the morning regarding what I feel at the current time.
 

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Yes, I definitely hid so much information in that exchange. It's not like I reiterated possible lynch picks, made my comments on why I thought EE needed looked into if the shot was real, called Glyph on something I didn't like, and then in the end offered up a few weak townreads that probably weren't even strong enough to mention but I did it anyway. Where did I ****ing try to hide information there?

You comment on my scumpicks, first of all if you didn't notice, I THOUGHT THE SHOT WAS REAL. Yes, I picked scumpicks to seem safe while I thought I was about to die. Why didn't I give reasons for each? Because they're the same people I've been saying I would be fine lynching most of the game up to that point.


You may have reiterated some lynch picks, but you remained rather reluctant to give information to town.

And no, no you didn't reread your first post, you gave reasonable doubt it was fake, even more so to the fact it was real. You doubted the shot more so than you believed it. That is null but the fact to that you did nothing to either side, proving it was fake or real in either situation.

You picked safe scum picks when you were gonna die, no way. If your gonna die I would be legit honest safe of not with scum picks. Even if I thought someone a lot of people thought was town was scum I would say it. There is no reason to place such safety on us when you could speak your mind on what you truely think is scum over what you win you town points if it was safe.

Which btw, you knew based on your responses to Glyph.

Once again, WHAT ****ING INFORMATION WAS I RELUCTANT TO GIVE? Not to mention as I have explained multiple times now, even when I told Ryker I wouldn't answer, I told town if literally anyone else wanted the answers I would give them, and two of the questions sucked with the third already having the answer implied from what I had said. And where did I flip-flop? When I repeatedly argued the case that EE would need looking into?


Are you kidding me? You never showed intent to give Ryker any info until it showed he was being serious. You never cared to give info until it looked like it would cave in on you. Face it , you never cared to.

You have been flip flopping with what you choose to give. You only give what makes you look good, not what makes town win. That is a scum tell.

To the first part, it's distancing because I tell him I don't care if he likes my answer to why I did something? He asked me about it, said he didn't like my response, and I said I DGAF.

The lack of explanation? I've stated that I would be fine with a Ryu lynch earlier in the day, I was just restating it to make it clear. Soup? I called him out earlier in the game and it's been a feeling that I'd be fine with his lynch since. These weren't like surprise reads man, it's not like out of nowhere it was "We should lynch Gorf for funsies!" they were lynches I've said before I'd go with.


Yet from a stand point that was nothing more that just a bandwagon to hope on. I'm fine with his lynch. Good for you you to say that when you again perform nothing ti support it.

As for relatively few reads, do you really expect me to have reads on the majority of players in a 17 man game, when one had yet to post, less than half way through D1 without a single flip? Let's look at your list, with yourself taken out, you have 8 players who aren't listed as null. If you count my scumreads I listed of Acro/Ryu/Auspher/Soup, possible add of Glyph if his content kept being scummy, and the townreads I gave of Gorf/Gheb/Chaco how many is that again? Oh right, 8. Are you really going to give me **** for only posting reads on half the town other than myself halfway through D1 when everyone else was dead null? Or for that matter, offering up the same amount of reads you are able to offer? What the **** are you even talking about with that?


You refused to give **** until pushed. That bothers me a lot. You never even with the gambit EE pulled tried to push any kind of scum push. Good you wanna push it back at me, too bad it's an OMGUS when town is no where near the null you say they are.

Honestly, the only reason I didn't toss him on there was because that was when I was bordering on rage and I wasn't sure if I was maybe reading into things too much and wanted to let town decide but get my thoughts out. At this point I'd be perfectly happy with his lynch.

The only thing I can think of is faking content when it comes to twisting my actions. I think it was pretty blatantly clear that I wasn't putting my effort into defending myself so much as trying to make my point about EE, so I'm not sure what he stood to gain.

As for Soup, I didn't like how he started the game, and it's been kind of a lingering feeling about him(partially gut). That's why I said in my post to Glyph it wasn't particularly strong, it's just kind of a lingering feeling I can't bring myself to shake.

Acro's role being proven is enough for me to jump away for now. Don't see priest as an inherently town role, but it is a confirmed role so I'll move on now.

This game is pissing me off so much. But, C'est la vie I guess.

Ryu, your repeated comments on how I was trying to withhold information in that exchange with Glyph, along with everything that has been brought up about you makes me

Unvote Vote Ryu
Forget Soup for a second, tell me anything you said about the playlist as a whole, ignore in actives, just frigging tell us. Your very resultant to tell town **** about what you think and feel compared to anyone else.

Glyph hasn;t done ****, I agree, you still seem to , why active, do nothing to assist town much like Glyph has. On the flip side though, you were placed in a gambit. In the gambit you tried to play off EE as fake, despite you lying about you thinking it was real.
Even if you did, you tried nothing, no read immediately, no direction for town to go, no nothing to let town know where to look.

You left us in the dark.

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lynch this kid.
 

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For what it's worth, regarding Glyph, IIRC in Cowboy Bebop mafia in the BR I replaced him and he was fairly non-committal/inactive in that game too. He was an indy there. Is his "aggressive inactivity" here similar to what people who were in Cowboy Bebop remember from that game? Could be something to look at.
nah. G Life was not only town but probably town MVP in his recent DR game, attempting to literally hand game to a mostly incompetent town that wouldn't listen, and not long before he turned his **** on like donkey kong he was flaunting the fact, for days on end, that he hadn't read the game at all from before he replaced in.

His style of inactivity is completely different here from Bebop's. He's a question mark and it's getting real ****in' grating the way he seems to be relishing that. He's a good investigation I think. I don't expect him to get any better, sadly. However if you're a coppin' sort and feel like listening to me I'd say 50/50 it between G Life and some other jerk. Maybe mantoast. There's a big pool of jerkwadmcbuggers to work with, sadly.

Ryker said:
At this point, we need to get rid of a question mark. Vig needs to be on point and cop does too. I want night actions reducing the number of nulls if at all possible. I'm down with Circus, GLife, or Kat. If you think Circus caving and replacing out will result in something that could redeem the slot, then let's do that
whoas, is this what protown ryker looks like? I'm freakin' ouuut maaaaan

Regardless, @bold: The thing is I find Jerkus's brand of inactivity pretty scummy. Have you been voting him just for coasting up to now, or something in particular? The manner in which he's been scummy makes me worry that a replacement "redeeming" the slot would just be paving over the mistakes of a scum predecessor, something I always hate to see happen in games because you can't call the replacement on any **** their predecessor did.

I dunno. Take a name out of a hat and there's a damn good chance I'd lynch the guy. ****'s gay.


oh turns out jerkus got replaced after all god damn ittttttttttttttttttttt

I guess some of the **** I said is void now. Feh.

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Kevmo said:
Yo EE just get on the Jerkus wagon.. it's pretty smooth ride to scum town.
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Hi kevmo thing is my vote was already on Jerkus, which I said in my last post, which was why I asked you to convince me to stay on. Meaning I want a reason or two. Whatever you've got.
 

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RR can you please stop using condescending gifs and snark in your posts?

The whole undignified genius talking down to the boorish ruffian schtick does not fit you at all friendo
 

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I associate Circus with better and when he's not giving me anything to work with, I assume the worst. In Megaman X, I can't remember a stance he had taken and in Superheroes he kept his interactions with others at a minimum. It sent up red flags.

No, I wasn't voting him for specific badness that I can recall because I can't recall specific badness. There were some offcolor posts such as the way he joined that Auspher wagon which was ****ing disgusting, but nothing that is straight up damning. However, Circus lurking is much worse to me than most people lurking.

As for not being able to call a predecessor, that's complete bull**** and I will do so everytime. You see something scummy, any player worth looking at can come up with a response as to why they did it. You have to decide whether the motivation is genuine or not. Just because Circus replaced out doesn't mean **** he has done has gone away. It just means it gets added to the resume. If J's still around late game, there'll be enough information for even players who aren't me (I plan to be dead) to discern his alignment. If J lurks, he dies no questions asked because that isn't ****ing J. If J acts scummy before late game, I'm confident in my ability to lynch him for being scum. I would much rather give him time to play so I can actually read the slot than lynch him now and leave room for a FF, GLife, Kat, etc to continue not playing the game.

I agree with the name from a hat sentiment.
 

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In other news, I think the no claim that FF noted is interesting, but can see a possible motivation for it. I want J to contact Circus and explain why he didn't do it.
 

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See, I've got the mindset for mafia. But this happens at 3:15am and no one is around to continue bouncing things off of.
 

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I seriously don't get why we're moving votes, isn't the deadline like soon? And regardless of who's in it, that slot is scummy. If you want my reasoning, read back to when I was talking to Chaco about it. Will I offer anything else? Nope, it's 4 AM and I gotta get sleep for a trip. It's peculiar seeing Ryker try not once, but twice, to move from Circus... Not gonna call scum for it yet, but peculiar...

Either way guys, who the eff would there be to move to at this point? Glyph? Well he caught up didn't he, and aren't we unvoting the Circus slot for the same reason? Food for thought: WE NEED TO FIND A LYNCH CANDIDATE, AND MOVING FROM CIRCUS HAS LITTLE RHYME OR REASON.

And with that, I say too-da-loo.
 

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Oh... ya see this is what happens when you don't put the deadline in the title ya fool Gorf.

Still see no reason to move... yet...

K TOO-DA-LOO FOR REAL.
 

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Either way guys, who the eff would there be to move to at this point? Glyph? Well he caught up didn't he, and aren't we unvoting the Circus slot for the same reason? Food for thought: WE NEED TO FIND A LYNCH CANDIDATE, AND MOVING FROM CIRCUS HAS LITTLE RHYME OR REASON.
You'd be fine by me, tbh. I don't like you at ****ing all. If Circus/J dies and flips town, I want to be knocking on the Gorf/Kevin door.

Looking at the player list: Joey, FF, Kat, GLife and Soup are all just good lynch targets.

I liked FF's more recent posts, so he can get off that list.

GLife I don't think is scummy for lurking. He's just a flat out null and has to be dealt with eventually. I'd rather a vig kill him if possible.

I'm gonna be honest. I don't remember anything from Joey other than his conversation with GLife which I didn't enjoy reading. Fine with lynching him, but it's Joey, what else is new.

Soup's been V/LA all game, hasn't he?

Kat has been calling work johns and viewing without posting. I hate the way he posts. I hate it a lot. He's not been giving me much content.

That's it for the null reads I'd lynch:

Then there's Mentos, who is saying a lot of nothing, and Kevin, who I cannot remember aside from Circus wagon although I know he's posted more than that.
 

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As for GLife, yeah that doesn't surprise me. I get that he's lazy and ****. But read the post I said was grimy. It has scumJ theatrics all over it, right down to the overbearing teehee I'm SO CHEEKY!!! ^_^ vibes.
Did you miss the part where I'm playing now? And not only that, but I actually read posts in the thread that I had no part in. This can be directed at Ryker too.

I suppose I'm still being cheeky, but that's just who I am in mafia.

It's peculiar seeing Ryker try not once, but twice, to move from Circus... Not gonna call scum for it yet, but peculiar...
Why bother bringing this up at all if you're not going to make any real comment on it?

In a world where I decided the lynch, we'd be killing Mentos, then Gord, then inactives. Yes I realize that having people with nothing on them is bad, but those prods add up and we've got replacements in the wings whereas I am fairly certain we can get a scum flip out of Mentos.
 

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You also told me you were going to bed. Filthy liar.

Alright, why Gorf? Aside from the fact you have a problem with his post concerning me.
 

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Look at his stance on Mentos right after the whole debacle between the two of us. He comes in (while the overall tone seems to be anti-Mentos) talking about how he didn't like Mentos a lot in the exchange, but once things start to swing more favorably for Mentos he has a revelation in which he realizes he was WIFOMing himself or something.

Really not liking this reaction from mentos...

Yea i posted good stuff but ill post better stuff as i approach a computer.
INSERT POSTS TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY LIKED MENTOS' REACTION

Actually reading back, I think I was WIFOMing myself earlier with thinking mentos' reaction was too polished. It doesn't rub me any way in particular...
That's an awfully harsh swing in opinion to not have something you can point at and say 'this is what changed my mind'.

Gorf, I want you to walk me through what you originally didn't like about Mentos and then outline what changed your mind (or what you discarded because of WIFOM)
 

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@G Life: Actually I hadn't seen your real post when I wrote what I did there as I was writing it while catching up. However the point totally super duper applies to the post I didn't like which was my only real point/observation there.

I want you to continue stepping it up until you are utterly bedazzling in your town magnificence, though. Having just one of y'all question mark types do that would be huge for town.
 

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Hold me GLife. Keep me in your sweet embrace. Together, we'll keep each other from falling to inactivity!

What about dat KevMo and one other player of your choice?

Also, Joey.
 

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You're asking for reads I guess? KevinM I only know from Bingo mafia, where he was absolutely fantastic to have around for scum and was a big factor in getting RR (his replacement) mislynched. He hasn't done much of anything, but not like I can really talk about that kind of stuff. Joey tends to have opposite reads from me, which isn't something I can really say makes him scummy but does bother me. I'd be okay with him dying, if only to make my life a bit easier.
 

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you know what

Vote: J

I'll check tomorrow before work to see where everything's at. But once I start my shift I'm basically V/LA. I'll come home after work, check to see if anything's up, then I MIGHT get a chance the next morning (prob not I'll be dead tired after all) to check in again. After that, V/LA fasho
 

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With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch!

Vote Count:
RR: (1) Mentosman
Dooms: (1) Soupamario
Glyph: (2) Kataefi, Rajam
Mentosman: (2) Acrostic, Red Ryu
Circus/J: (6) Evil Eye, Chaco, KevinM, Glyph, Dooms, Gorf
Gorf: (1) Aushper
Auspher: (1) Circus

Not voting: (7) frozenflame751, Gheb, Ryker


Deadline December 26th, 11:59 PM.
 

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RR can you please stop using condescending gifs and snark in your posts?

The whole undignified genius talking down to the boorish ruffian schtick does not fit you at all friendo
If you do do not put bite into it, no one will listen.

Also G Life wasn;t MvP per say since T-Block pretty much did a lot to also help out town, G Life though did everything he needed to with T-Block to nail the scum.

Two reasons town lost though was.

1. Other people were being stupid, Vinyl wasn't posting, Chibo misused town's strongest PR.

2. People didn't reread and listen to dead townies.
 

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Look at his stance on Mentos right after the whole debacle between the two of us. He comes in (while the overall tone seems to be anti-Mentos) talking about how he didn't like Mentos a lot in the exchange, but once things start to swing more favorably for Mentos he has a revelation in which he realizes he was WIFOMing himself or something.



INSERT POSTS TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY LIKED MENTOS' REACTION



That's an awfully harsh swing in opinion to not have something you can point at and say 'this is what changed my mind'.

Gorf, I want you to walk me through what you originally didn't like about Mentos and then outline what changed your mind (or what you discarded because of WIFOM)
I skimmedthat whole page from my tablet, and i basically onlu really read into the parts where mentos was like "lolk this is dumb so whatevz" andd i was like... He seems too composed. Seemed illegitimate. Then i read into and stopped overalyzing it and waslike ehh why am i going to dislike him for his reaction being good, especially when his play has been pretty damn town outside of that... Remember when mentos wanted me to hop off the jock for expressing my town read on em?

Oh, and the pointing out of Rykers post is that it looks much more interesting upon a Circuscum flip to me. It's definitely not incriminating atm. But i dont dislike his more recent play, so id rather wait for a flip to make connections.
 

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Got more christmas related johns than I expected. I didn't get to fully read up to what happened in recent days and I'm not sure up until when I'm fully caught up. In either case I'm willing to cut RR some slack for now. Not sure how much I can read into Circus' non-claim until I've read into that post. Most likely I'll get to read into some stuff tomorrow and post some new thoughts. I also have a feeling that a close observation of people's voting behavior might prove useful so I'll get into that as well.

:059:
 

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"If I get lynched I get lynched"/"It's pretty late in the day to swing to someone else"

well... sounds to me like circus expected to get lynched. I'm unsure as to why he didn't claim by this point. @J when you read up can you comment particularly on Auspher/Red Ryu/Acrostic?

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13839474&postcount=682

^glyphie bby why did you leave mentos for circus if you were and still are fairly sure mentos will flip scum?

ruy could you look at my #650/#612 and answer the questions i asked you pretty plz.
 

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Hi J that's an absolutely fantastic catchup post you made just as promised whoa

:glare:

Gorf said:
especially when his play has been pretty damn town outside of that... Remember when mentos wanted me to hop off the jock for expressing my town read on em?
no, no no, nonono, no don't do that.

Never give mentos a town read for something as ****ing null as discouraging buddying. Never give a town read to any great player for that. What commitment do they make in doing so? Really now.

Gorf you are better than that.
 

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I skimmedthat whole page from my tablet, and i basically onlu really read into the parts where mentos was like "lolk this is dumb so whatevz" andd i was like... He seems too composed. Seemed illegitimate. Then i read into and stopped overalyzing it and waslike ehh why am i going to dislike him for his reaction being good, especially when his play has been pretty damn town outside of that... Remember when mentos wanted me to hop off the jock for expressing my town read on em?
Really? You thought

Lol EE, I'm going to assume you aren't serious, and if you are, when did you become a rash idiot? Seriously this would be the first and only time I would ever look at you in a game of mafia and be forced to ask myself ARE YOU F***ING ********(callback to your own post).
was TOO composed? And even later on, the faces and stuff isn't 'hee hee we're playing mafia and having fun', its 'this is me being condescending'.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13839474&postcount=682

^glyphie bby why did you leave mentos for circus if you were and still are fairly sure mentos will flip scum?
At that point I had no intention of actually playing, and thus no intention of actually putting any pressure on Mentos. You've probably noticed I still don't have my vote there, and thats because really its not a problem having it where it is now. If I start to see a Mentos wagon as a legitimate possibility, then I'm all for it.
 

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Ryu, what did Mentos not give information on that didn't have to do with waiting on Ryker to give information as well? Sorry for poor wording lol.

I still don't see whats wrong with Mentos at all. Mentos doesn't seem like the guy that would get pissed off as specifically mafia, and from what I'm reading from the major people against him, it seems like you all don't like him because of his play versus Glyph (although I'm only looking at the Ryu case since I skimmed the last page lol. I'll look for Glyph posts as well since hes the only one I remember actually pushing the Mentos lynch (Kataefi I think has only asked questions. Don't remember everyone else.)

Soup is in this game? o_O'. I think he should be the next to get replaced. Or Acrostic. Either or.

KevinM has done absolutely nothing this whole game except have his conversation with me and spew out some reads without evidence behind them. Fine with his lynch if we still go down the inactive route.

Gheb hasn't made me change my mind yet, so I would be fine with his lynch if we don't go down said inactive route.

Auspher just disappeared except to throw his vote around iIrc. Definitely okay with his lynch as well.

I'm feeling better about Glyph now that he's actually playing.

I don't like that Ryker is trying to make KevinM seem more important to the game than he really is, but besides that, Ryker looks pretty townie.

I'm really bad at reading players that play by asking a ton of questions, so Kataefi read is null at the moment.

I feel like Ryu is really reaching against mentos, but I can't remember anything else he has done. I'll re-read him on christmas. Having him as null-scum for now and wouldn't mind his lynch.

Gorf is confusing. I have no idea what his reads are right now. I thought he had mentos scum, but then he said that he actually has him as town? Whats your actual read on Ryu at the moment? I've been following your posts as a "I'm voting all of the people I think are scum, and have the biggest scum read at the bottom of the votes," but Ryu was randomly thrown in there replacing Acrostic. Why is Kat scummy?

Null read on Rajam. Would like comments from him on the most current stuff when he is done catching up and full reads as well.

I remember liking Chaco earlier, but I don't remember why... Null-town lean at the moment.

I've always had a liking for EE since his play has been general town.

Reads:
Town
mentos
Ryker
Chaco
Evil Eye

Null
Glyph
Rajam
Kataefi
Gorf
Red Ryu

Scum
Auspher
Gheb_01

Inactives that don't deserve reads
frozenflame751
Soupamario
Acrostic
KevinM
Circus/J

Not in order in any way except the heading. Nulls are colored for null-town and null-scum.

Vote: Auspher
 

Dooms

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Will make case on Auspher when I get back from V/LA as well.

V/LA from 2:30PM EST today to 12-1PM EST on the 25th.
 

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Thats going to be a bit late if you're hoping to get anything done with it though
 
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