Lost Mafia - Who won? - The viewing audience of course

[Dooms]

Sounds good, if someone accidentally hammers and he flips priest, they are scum and we kill them tomorrow.

Also 3 days til deadline it seems.

Oh you...

But seriously only ONE MORE PERSON vote for Acrostic.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

 

[Chaco]

Yeah I counted too and your count is right, Dooms. 4 Votes since the last count leaves him at 7 and mine makes 8 of the 9 needed.

Unvote; Vote: Acro

Just to test then back to Lurkus, because he got back on last night and didnt even check this game.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Hammer time!

Unvote Vote Acro

trololololololololol I was indy lyncher woop woop woop woop woop!

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Loljk I'm just really bored at my house. Let's lure Acrostic with a namesearch.

Sanchaz.

 

[Rajam]

I like gheb despite him wanting me dead.

I'd be happy to join the acro wagon, but I wanna see more from Auspher, can't hide from me Austin. I'm gonna get ya if ya don't help us out. Tell me why I am scum, them tell me what ya think of The Acro wagon.

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Mentos I don't like your answer to me about not answering. That isn't a good reason to hide an answer from Ryker. Yes he can be frustrating to work with. But that is Ryker true and true, and a true troll .

You could have still left that answer out there instead of being as stubborn as he was about it.

Not liking you like the person who dislikes you

(I'm being serious despite the emoticon)

Also...

Like I said, I really don't care if you think it's a legitimate reason or not. Not to mention, if you read the answers I DID give after he started posting, there really wasn't a lot to be said in them anyway, which I knew from the moment I refused to answer them, so a big MEH to you sir : D

I'mma do a re-read in a bit(not really all that necessary, but it'll be nice to grab a refresher while the game is still small XD) at which point I will respond to the rest of what Kat asked me as well as possibly have some more stuff to add.

This coloured interaction reeks to distancing. Of course it's not conclusive right now due to lack of flips, but if any of Ryu/mentos flips scum, I'd put an eye on the other

Kill is serious. Mentos has been rubbing me the wrong way consistently all Day, because he says so much and advances nothing at all. Mentos is reserved about his opinions, but I see nothing that suggests he gives a quarter of a **** what direction things go in. He's a participant in discussions, yet not in action. It's grimy. It's scummy. And now he's dead.

Treat him as dead and resume scumhunting. I'll be back after work to deal with inevitable butthurt.

I agree on this read on mentos. I'd say this is what has been bugging me and I couldn't know what it was before

Glyph, at this point the only thing I care about is getting confirmation that EE didn't actually just do that, and I probably won't be bothering to post again until there's confirmation one way or the other.

@Town: IF this kill is real and goes through, EE should rocket up the priority list. A daykill like that is dumb or scum, and we all know EE is not dumb. Mafia? Not likely to have a daykill. Indie? Much more likely. I have never seen EE be so brash and do things without even making prior accusations. It is so far out of anything Town EE would do I simply can not believe he would do something like that as town. If I really die, he's a priority. Similarly, although in the social thread it was mentioned Acro was sick, if he doesn't have a strong return to my posts on him I'd say he still remains a good target, as do Ryu and possibly Soup.

@Glyph: Would you post some friggin content already? Sweet troll Jegus.

Incidentally, I was joking about not bothering to post anymore till confirmation. If anyone has any questions or anything they'd like to hear from me before my potential daykill-based-death, feel free to ask : D

Why Ryu and Soup? I can understand the focus on EE, but I don't like the lack of explanation on Ryu and Soup, and also you offer few reads for a player supposedly dying (I know you said other three town reads later, but I think it's still a few amount for a game with 17 players). As the same I said about Auspher, it's weird when a townie who is near death or dying doesn't spit all out, explanations included.

Wow, EE faked a shot? Interesting. Really don't approve of the methodology. If Mentos would've gone the opposite direction it could've really hurt town.

I'm still weary of Mentos, but his answers to me I liked.

@Gheb: Every game I played with Mentos waaaaay back when, it's been awhile since we've been in the same game, he was pretty concise.

Chaco, do you think there is a chance that EE was trying to rolefish mentos with the fake kill (mentos claims upon death)? I still have problems reading EE (he's null atm), and I'd like to know what do you think of EE, and what do you think he tried to do with the fake DayKill

You already have an admission of guilt from me in my letters to my scummates, so help me improve.

Which question is loaded and why is it bad?
How do you know my goal was stalling the game instead of the dual reason of not talking about things I didn't know about and seeing which way Mentos would jump?
What gave away that I was only trying to get people to apparently disregard logic and give me a town read?

Also, for the record, will you ever be caught up?

Instead of asking him (mentos iirc) if you, Gheb and EE were scum, why not ask him for his reads on those players instead? With the former questions you generate the sense of compromise on the player for whatever choice they pick, and thus they are more reluctant to change their reads; this works regardless of alignment. With the another question players can claim easier if they don't have a solid read yet, and also their response is more natural, which provokes "cleaner" reads not only for you but also for the rest of the players

I'm fully caught up now.

For the record, you never explained why you voted Auspher at the beginning, and yet haven't responded to my questions I did in my previous post

Town lost that game because you played really scummy and reached bad conclusions about things, not because you didn't reread enough.

Tell me why I'm scum, with quotes to support it.

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It's impossible to call you scum based on quotes when you have done nothing, your posts have no content, and you've been neglecting reading the game on purpose; you also know this so the request to prove you're scum based on quotes is scummy per se. You come to post irrelevant stuff and then disappear: pop-in and pop-out scummy behavior. I hope you're not aiming at getting the "careless town" read or something like that from the rest of the players...

Gross, sickening, nasty. AtE everywhere that town has literally NO reason to put out there as they gain nothing from it. Town assumes EE is scum at this point.

Agreed.

EE, do you still think that Mentos vs. GLife couldn't have been staged?

I also want to hear a response to this, since both mentos and Glyph are getting scummy

I'm expendable. I'm Mr. Eko and as far as my role pm states, I have no abilities that would contribute to town. I do have a particular disability in that I am unable to hammer on a target in a given day phase, I didn't have the time to ask Tandora what the consequences are of me hammering on a certain vote.

And your scum picks?

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- Regarding Chaco vs Gorf vs Circus:
I support Chaco's points on Circus; although afterall I do think Auspher is noobtown, I'm not as convinced as Chaco seems, but despite that it still seems Circus did nothing but going after easy targets. I liked Gorf case on Auspher on its time and I don't see Gorf particularly scummy although he is getting a bit tunneling.

Talking about inactives, I've seen pressure on Circus, Kataefi, which is warranted but... has anyone remembered KevinM is in this game?

- Acrostic's claim:
Seems beleviable, and the sick john is legit I guess. I'll wait to see if his ability is confirmed, and then I'll move my vote to someone else meanwhile Acrostic comes with his scumpicks.

Ok, I reread that, I can see why that vote would make it worth a vote. Lurking I'm not sure if I can call him out on that since the inactivity seems to be with all games he is playing.

Read list:

Town
9. Red_Ryu
14. Gheb_01
6. Auspher
12. Evil Eye
13. Ryker

Null
10. Acrostic (Town if role is proven)
15. Chaco
1. Joey
2. DtJ Glyphmoney
3. frozenflame751
4. Gordito
5. Rajam
7. KevinM
16. Soupamario

Scum
17. Mentos
11. Kataefi
8. Circus

Here goes mine, ordered:

Scum
Glyph
mentos

Circus
Red Ryu

Null
Acrostic
KevinM
Soupamario
Kataefi
Auspher
frozenflame751
Evil Eye
Gorf

Town
Gheb_01
Dooms
Ryker
Chaco
Rajam

 

[Tandora]

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch!

Vote Count:
RR: (1) Auspher
Dooms: (2) KevinM, Soupamario
Glyph: (1) Kataefi
Mentosman: (2) Acrostic, Glyph
Acrostic: (8) Mentos, Ryker, Rajam, Dooms, Red Ryu, Gheb, Chaco, Gorf
Circus: (2) Evil Eye, Chaco

Not voting: (1) frozenflame751

Prods for inactivity:
Acrostic - 2
Glyph - 2
KevinM - 1
Circus- 1
Soupamario - 2
Kataefi - 1
Frozenflame - 1
Auspher - 1

Deadline December 23rd, 11:59 PM.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

600 / 602 make me wanna switch back to Ryu -.-
But Circus, KevMo, Kata and Soup can all die at this rate as well.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

And frozen if he doesn't show up soon -.-

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Hammer time!

Unvote Vote Acro

trololololololololol I was indy lyncher woop woop woop woop woop!

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Loljk I'm just really bored at my house. Let's lure Acrostic with a namesearch.

Sanchaz.

You guys are so mean to Sanch. I mean really. -_-

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Anyways, I'd like a reason for why people think Glyph and Mentos interaction was staged, it doesn't come off to me as SvS at all. If anything I can only see TvS at worst.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

600 / 602 make me wanna switch back to Ryu -.-
But Circus, KevMo, Kata and Soup can all die at this rate as well.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Responding to prod

 

[Kataefi]

I got prodded. I've been reading over Acrostic's claim and a whole bunch of everything. Priest is inherently not-anything to me. Eko fits the flavour. Agree it should be tested for lies!

@Acrostic: before you hammer could you give an updated list of reads plz and explain the content that you were going to elaborate on etc etc?... this is in case you trip over it and kill urself
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@the people who 'pressured' me: why am I specifically warranted over other players in this roster? =? sounds almost robotic. At least I've johnned with content. What about those who johnned with no content? tell tell!

also @Eye: #558 I leave tabs open all the time. afaik links/quotes/tabs show up as replying to a thread... i read quite a bit as well. Also I've been "milking my johns" in every game since Discworld.

curiously i don't think i've read you vote mentos in this game =/ is there a particular reason despite finding him scummy? did he react in a way that you imagined during the gambit?

Kat is warranted if the johns stick.

Scum
11. Kataefi

This one looks off. ruy can you explain?
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@this whole Mentos/Glyph exchange --> needs looking into imo. glyph looking destructive. Agree with Dooms/Chaco - odd to me he would just meteorite in on mentos, all cocksure on EE's gambit, place a vote and ignore everything else. I question this exchange because it looked more like he tried to force something wrong out of mentos there as opposed to genuine scumhunting.

@mentos: #474 can i ask??? --> why did you consider him not scummy enough for your list at this specific point? What do you think he hoped to achieve by "twisting your actions"? The way it is phrased makes it come across manipulative as if it is a bad thing. I would have thought alarm bells would be ringing for you here in the grand scheme of the game. (Also what is it about soup that makes you cling on to him as a slight scum-lean out of curiosity?)

@glyph: can you comment on mentos' scumlist plz? Outside of him who would you be going for then? what exactly are your thoughts on what little soup has posted?

@Chaco: so what do you make of Mentos' reads?, specifically his read on auspher?
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Glyph/Mentos/Ruy/Circus/Acrostic/Gheb

^this is where my head's at currently. kill kill.

I like Dooms/Chaco/[EE]. was sceptical over chaco prevoiusly but now I like him. I'm scared to like EE, but I think I do. always liked dooms. resonating brownie townie.

Everyone else on null currently.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@the people who 'pressured' me: why am I specifically warranted over other players in this roster? =? sounds almost robotic. At least I've johnned with content. What about those who johnned with no content? tell tell!

Where?

curiously i don't think i've read you vote mentos in this game =/ is there a particular reason despite finding him scummy? did he react in a way that you imagined during the gambit?

I'm scared to like EE, but I think I do.

Interesting... Elaborate please...

The way the whole Glyph/Mentos part of your post went, you seemed more like scum Glyph > scumentos, but then you took an arrow to the knee and called them both scum... ... So tell me, are their alignments dependent upon flips? Are they of DIFFERENT scum alignments? Elaborate please...

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Vote: Acrostic

If I am unable to give material by tomorrow, I will likely replace out. Mucho apologies.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@mod request votecount hurrrrrr durrrrr?

 

[Tandora]

In case the image isn't clear, that means it's not a real hammer.
With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch!

Vote Count:
RR: (1) Auspher
Dooms: (2) KevinM, Soupamario
Glyph: (1) Kataefi
Mentosman: (2) Acrostic, Glyph
Acrostic: (8) Mentos, Ryker, Rajam, Dooms, Red Ryu, Gheb, Chaco, Gorf
Circus: (2) Evil Eye, Chaco

Not voting: (1) frozenflame751

Prods for inactivity:
Acrostic - 2
Glyph - 2
KevinM - 1
Circus- 1
Soupamario - 2
Kataefi - 1
Frozenflame - 1
Auspher - 1

Deadline December 23rd, 11:59 PM.

 

[Dooms]

Unvote

Yeeah.

 

[KevinM]

Unvote, Vote Gheb

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Unvote Vote Kat

 

[Dooms]

Vote: Gheb

I forgot to place my vote somewhere :D.

 

[Deleted member]

Unvote vote Gorf

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

unvote
Vote: Mentosman8

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Unvote vote Gorf

Oh ?

 

[Rajam]

unvote
vote: Glyph

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Posting from my phone, will attempt to catch-up but content will be little as it's a ***** to make good posts on my phone.

 

[mentosman8]

Vote: mentosman8

His responses look really scummy to me and I dislike his need to want to hide information from town. His scum picks are alos super safe, it doesn't seem like picking Ryu, Auspher, Acro, and Soup was something her reached, more so something he is conforming to look town.

He should give reasons for each scum pick.

Yes, I definitely hid so much information in that exchange. It's not like I reiterated possible lynch picks, made my comments on why I thought EE needed looked into if the shot was real, called Glyph on something I didn't like, and then in the end offered up a few weak townreads that probably weren't even strong enough to mention but I did it anyway. Where did I ****ing try to hide information there?

You comment on my scumpicks, first of all if you didn't notice, I THOUGHT THE SHOT WAS REAL. Yes, I picked scumpicks to seem safe while I thought I was about to die. Why didn't I give reasons for each? Because they're the same people I've been saying I would be fine lynching most of the game up to that point.

Mentos, I heavily disagree with thinking Glyph was scummier than Mentos in that exchange. There wasn't a lot of commitment and some flip flopping with the back and worth with Glyph, along with his reluctance again to provide information to town for rather bad reasons.

Once again, WHAT ****ING INFORMATION WAS I RELUCTANT TO GIVE? Not to mention as I have explained multiple times now, even when I told Ryker I wouldn't answer, I told town if literally anyone else wanted the answers I would give them, and two of the questions sucked with the third already having the answer implied from what I had said. And where did I flip-flop? When I repeatedly argued the case that EE would need looking into?

This coloured interaction reeks to distancing. Of course it's not conclusive right now due to lack of flips, but if any of Ryu/mentos flips scum, I'd put an eye on the other

Why Ryu and Soup? I can understand the focus on EE, but I don't like the lack of explanation on Ryu and Soup, and also you offer few reads for a player supposedly dying (I know you said other three town reads later, but I think it's still a few amount for a game with 17 players). As the same I said about Auspher, it's weird when a townie who is near death or dying doesn't spit all out, explanations included.

To the first part, it's distancing because I tell him I don't care if he likes my answer to why I did something? He asked me about it, said he didn't like my response, and I said I DGAF.

The lack of explanation? I've stated that I would be fine with a Ryu lynch earlier in the day, I was just restating it to make it clear. Soup? I called him out earlier in the game and it's been a feeling that I'd be fine with his lynch since. These weren't like surprise reads man, it's not like out of nowhere it was "We should lynch Gorf for funsies!" they were lynches I've said before I'd go with.

As for relatively few reads, do you really expect me to have reads on the majority of players in a 17 man game, when one had yet to post, less than half way through D1 without a single flip? Let's look at your list, with yourself taken out, you have 8 players who aren't listed as null. If you count my scumreads I listed of Acro/Ryu/Auspher/Soup, possible add of Glyph if his content kept being scummy, and the townreads I gave of Gorf/Gheb/Chaco how many is that again? Oh right, 8. Are you really going to give me **** for only posting reads on half the town other than myself halfway through D1 when everyone else was dead null? Or for that matter, offering up the same amount of reads you are able to offer? What the **** are you even talking about with that?

@mentos: #474 can i ask??? --> why did you consider him not scummy enough for your list at this specific point? What do you think he hoped to achieve by "twisting your actions"? The way it is phrased makes it come across manipulative as if it is a bad thing. I would have thought alarm bells would be ringing for you here in the grand scheme of the game. (Also what is it about soup that makes you cling on to him as a slight scum-lean out of curiosity?)

Honestly, the only reason I didn't toss him on there was because that was when I was bordering on rage and I wasn't sure if I was maybe reading into things too much and wanted to let town decide but get my thoughts out. At this point I'd be perfectly happy with his lynch.

The only thing I can think of is faking content when it comes to twisting my actions. I think it was pretty blatantly clear that I wasn't putting my effort into defending myself so much as trying to make my point about EE, so I'm not sure what he stood to gain.

As for Soup, I didn't like how he started the game, and it's been kind of a lingering feeling about him(partially gut). That's why I said in my post to Glyph it wasn't particularly strong, it's just kind of a lingering feeling I can't bring myself to shake.

Acro's role being proven is enough for me to jump away for now. Don't see priest as an inherently town role, but it is a confirmed role so I'll move on now.

This game is pissing me off so much. But, C'est la vie I guess.

Ryu, your repeated comments on how I was trying to withhold information in that exchange with Glyph, along with everything that has been brought up about you makes me

Unvote Vote Ryu

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Vote Jerkus

Completely willing to lynch. Would also vote Kat. Would also vote Gorf, but only after the other two. Would not vote GLife based on meta information.

 

[Chaco]

Unvote; Vote: Jerkus

 

[Tandora]

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch!

Vote Count:
RR: (2) Auspher, Mentosman
Dooms: (1) Soupamario
Glyph: (2) Kataefi, Rajam
Mentosman: (3) Acrostic, Glyph, Red Ryu
Acrostic: (1) Chaco
Circus: (3) Evil Eye, Chaco, Ryker
Gheb: (2) KevinM, Dooms
Kataefi: (1) Gorf
Gorf: (1) Aushper

Not voting: (1) frozenflame751

Prods for inactivity:
Acrostic - 2
Glyph - 2
KevinM - 1
Circus- 1
Soupamario - 2
Kataefi - 1
Frozenflame - 1
Auspher - 1

Deadline December 23rd, 11:59 PM.

 

[Tandora]

Soupamario will be treated as V/LA until he gets computer access.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Unvote Vote KevinM

 

[Deleted member]

Tandora, I shouldn't have a vote on RR.

 

[KevinM]

Ok I see you Gheb .

Lets get on Circus please.

Vote Circus

 

[Evil Eye]

Responding to prod.

Kevmo, I'm already on Jerkus. Why don't you tell me why I should stay on?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

The golden boy thinks that this Circus wagon must be a hot topic since I recognize people on it, and so I'm blatantly going to bandwagon it without reading at all.

unvote vote: Circus

I'm like the Evel Knievl of mafia

I haven't forgotten about you mentos my friend, but rather I'm putting you on hold for now.

 

[Evil Eye]

wow that post was ****ing grimy

I give you a lot of rope to do your lazy thing because I know you can turn it on when it matters, but come on, man. You're reaching the end of the twine here.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

EE, fifty good ole American dollars says he hasn't read the game.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

I hate school.

No but seriously I have the worst college senioritus of all time.

I can see the light at the end of the tunnel though finally....

Anyway, haven't been able to read in depth enough to have solid reads or anything but one point I'd like to make is that even if Acro is scum with ineffectual hammers, he's fairly non-threatening from a day phase perspective. He personally cannot complete an alpha strike, so if we ever get in a situation where it's likely LYLO, he's alive, and is not voting after someone lays a vote down, we know at the very least he can't jump us.

Not that I think he's scum though, I'd find a legit scum priest to be a bit oddballish. Just my two cents.

Seeing as how votes are going a million different directions now that the acrostic question is settled, I'm not sure were to direct my focus. If people have suggestions though I'll do my best to follow up in a timely fashion.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Acro's almost certainly town. I'd really rather not entertain the prospect of him being scum anymore as I don't think Tandora is cute enough to make a scum team like that.

 

[Tandora]

Asdioh and J have responded to my request for replacements. They will be added to the OP for player list.

Huge THANK YOU to these guys!