Lord of the Rings mafia: Game Over

[adumbrodeus]

And "you're just mad that I caught you, McScum" is such a scummy statement I cannot believe you would even try to make it, especially at this stage in the game. Push harder. It makes you look even more like scum.

Not really, in the BBR game I recently got called something very similar because a townie was frustrated at my pressure. I ended up backing off for a better target, but he eventually flipped as the town doc.


IMO it's a noob-tell, not a scumtell, so let's concentrate on Riddle's case since that's far more likely to give us a legit read.

Another extension?
Coolio, that allows me to catch up.

unvote, vote: Xonar

Why'd you switch to the chaco wagon? You gave absolutely no explanation.

Answer this please.

btw guys, believe it or not, I'm still here, my comp troubles should be gone now, so expect activity (*GASP* ACTIVITY! FROM KIRB????)

Cool story bro, who do you think is scum?

 

[Overswarm]

btw guys, believe it or not, I'm still here, my comp troubles should be gone now, so expect activity (*GASP* ACTIVITY! FROM KIRB????)

@mod can we still replace him?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Wait I hopped on his wagon? It was the second vote, it wasn't really a bandwagon yet. The fact that I waited for more responses before voting doesn't mean I was meaning to start a bandwagon.

Eh, about my vote. I was simply putting pressure on Chaco to see how he would save himself, and I didn't like his cop-out at all and I don't think it's the way a townie would response at all.

I've expressed interest in Tom/Chaco all the time.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Don't see how I've been anti-town, I've taken hard stances and haven't hid my opinion.

xonar u been playin like this cuz of ur rl

No.

still fine to go with riddle too btw

 

[Chaco]

My opinion on OS is that he's making valid points, and Chaco isn't defending very well. Though the two have engaged in hardcore puffery (read: masturbating), at the end of the day OS makes statements and Chaco gets emotional, which is something I didn't expect. Chaco's calmed down at this point, possibly because he isn't so close to the noose. OS really needs to give a more thorough breakdown of his talking points so we can clearly see where he thinks Chaco is scum. I cannot comprehend the rationale for it because it is mixed in with the dickmeasuring.

Define and show me these valid points. No one has yet shown an iota of proof behind this. I did get frustrated, because that happens extremely easy when a bandwagon erupts on you from nowhere and the person spearheading your lynch has not provided an ounce of proof. I requested proof, and for him to answer individual questions many times now this games for him not to answer a single one of them.

Also, learn what AtE is, I know you are not using it exactly but the principle applies. Getting mad because you're getting a non-existent case shoved down your throat is not AtE.

btw guys, believe it or not, I'm still here, my comp troubles should be gone now, so expect activity (*GASP* ACTIVITY! FROM KIRB????)

Honestly, why did you even post? You know as well as we do, that you're not going to post but a few times.

 

[Chaco]

Eh, about my vote. I was simply putting pressure on Chaco to see how he would save himself, and I didn't like his cop-out at all and I don't think it's the way a townie would response at all.

Cop out? Did you see the kinds of useless questions you were asking? I can understand the playstyle question, and I answered it. However, the define what you learned from Adum thing is rather stupid.

Don't see how I've been anti-town, I've taken hard stances and haven't hid my opinion.


No.

still fine to go with riddle too btw

You haven't taken a single hard stance, nor committed to anything. The way you are currently playing makes it easy for you to retract your vote, and put it elsewhere because you are putting relatively no weight behind your vote. Simply stacking it up with others.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

W/e dude.

 

[Chaco]

FoS: Xonar

No, it's not "w/e dude".

Vote stays on OS until he can explain himself.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

Posting this not having read anything after it (yet):

What's your opinions on xoner, OS, and Chaco?

Xonar: I think someone said they have the meta of him playing much differently. I also have that meta, but it's too late to make him the play of the Day. I suggest toMorrow, we all pressure-wagon him. He needs to get posting (lawlhypocrisy).

OS: Still scum. The OSvChaco spat didn't change my opinion of either of them; OS is still scum.

Chaco: Null to me. Like I said, his little fray with OS didn't change my opinions one way or the other. I still have yet to see any quality contributions from him, but no scumtells either.

If it comes down to deadline, I will support a Riddle lynch, but not a Chaco one.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Wait I hopped on his wagon? It was the second vote, it wasn't really a bandwagon yet. The fact that I waited for more responses before voting doesn't mean I was meaning to start a bandwagon.

Eh, about my vote. I was simply putting pressure on Chaco to see how he would save himself, and I didn't like his cop-out at all and I don't think it's the way a townie would response at all.

I've expressed interest in Tom/Chaco all the time.

You were third vote, macman was there before OS was (or have you not been reading the vote counts).

If you wanted to see how he would react under pressure, why didn't you ask a question of any sort? Try to actually produce information.


And wagon-hopping is certainly a scumtell, unless you've got a case against somebody taking them to l-2 is scummy as hell.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Part was about my reactions to chaco before voting

 

[Overswarm]

If you wanted to see how he would react under pressure, why didn't you ask a question of any sort? Try to actually produce information.

...He did. Several times, even before the vote.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

Xonar, I agree with Chaco on the way you're playing. I feel like if this were a RL game, you'd be the one texting while everyone else was hard into the game. Put the phone away and let's find the scum.

 

[Chaco]

Kirby, that literally makes no sense at all.

OS, explain yourself, I'm not gonna ask anymore after this.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

What I mean is that he seems preoccupied when he makes his posts. Skimming and posting one sentence at a time. He's denied it being due to RL issues, but if it's not, why isn't he contributing more? He hasn't given a legit reason.

 

[Chaco]

Xonar, I agree with Chaco on the way you're playing. I feel like if this were a RL game, you'd be the one texting while everyone else was hard into the game. Put the phone away and let's find the scum.

Actually, I want you to expand on this and pull examples. Because, I want someone in this game to pull proof. The complete summary of this game has been blind accusations with nothing concrete.

Have I not been providing information?
Have I not been posting my suspicions enough?
Have I not pulled examples and tried to explain all of my actions?

You compare my style to texting, how would you compare everyone elses style in here?

What do you think of OS not backing up any of his stances and criticizing me for not answering questions when he has done it far worse than I?

Do you feel Xonar's questions would have provided any useful information? Also, note that the first question I answered was what he was looking for yet he didn't even realize it.

How do you feel about McCloud, Adum, Summoner, and Macman?

 

[Chaco]

I read that backwards and thought you meant me, thanks for expanding on it though. Apologies.

Still relate those questions to Xonar if you would.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I'm not texting, I'm busy making notes.

 

[McCloud]

Well, show the class what you wrote.

 

[Overswarm]

What do you think of OS not backing up any of his stances and criticizing me for not answering questions when he has done it far worse than I?

You're not going to answer anything I ask. You're asking for a list that you can pidgeonhole and that's not what is taking place here. You're an overly emotional player making false contributions, and when questioned by both myself and Xonar back to back you merely said the questions weren't worthy of you answering and told me that I wasn't experienced enough to understand how your poor play was actually good play.

You might be scum, might not. I learn the most from your lynch above all others, you're not helpful town, and a lot of your actions strike me as scummy. Easy lynch.

unvote vote Chacotaco

For emphasis.

End the day, gentlemen.

 

[Chaco]

You haven't asked me anything that wasn't loaded, and I asked you questions before that. In which you ignored, and might I add you're showing the behavior in which you are accusing me off.

Also, get over being butthurt. I never said you weren't experienced enough, you simply interpreted it as that. Adum saw my logic behind it, and I fail to see why you do not. It's a powerful tell, and one which you clearly do not want used on you as you've never answered. You ignored all attempts to prove your case, even now you are hiding behind the same facade and only say enough to get by.

This next part is the kicker:

You might be scum, might not. I learn the most from your lynch above all others, you're not helpful town, and a lot of your actions strike me as scummy. Easy lynch.

I want everyone's opinion on this post. I personally think this is scummy as ****.

Continuing right along, OS outline which actions strike you as scummy. Cause no one hear should buy into your "explanations" anymore, because there is absolutely NOTHING concrete about your evidence. You essentially outline the most generic case possible:

Emotion
Scummy Actions
Unhelpfulness

You have not backed up a single action since I joined in this game. You have been completely and utterly unhelpful by hiding behind others defenses of you and quite frankly just rude. I love it when you call me over emotional, because I'd like to see you stand up to me shoving a falsified case down your throat and sheep mindlessly following you. I know what you're trying to accomplish by doing that, and it's a scummy strategy. Trying to draw out emotion when making a baseless attack, I've seen it used as scum many times.

@Adum: If you had absolutely no meta of OS, what would you think of his play thus far in the game?

I specifically ask this to Adum, because he is OS's lone defense force.

 

[Chaco]

So, if you would, please answer.

Still waiting for the proof on that OS.

Point it out, and seeming emotional does not equal AtE. Where's the other proof btw?

You have NOTHING. Detail a case right now.

You have supplied me with absolutely no proof, and seriously I mean none.

Explain how that even makes sense.

Do you ever provide proof of anything?

OS, explain yourself, I'm not gonna ask anymore after this.

So hoe many times is that? 8.

 

[adumbrodeus]

...He did. Several times, even before the vote.

I mean why didn't he pair his vote with specific questions.


But I reread, I think I understand his thought process better now.


So, lets move on, shall we?



unvote, Vote: Summoner


You have been completely unhelpful and seemingly ducking out at every possible opportunity, no scumhunting drive, literally only enough contribution to remain in the game (how many prods are you at now?), why shouldn't we lynch you?




@Chaco, before I respond to that, I wanna do something first.


@OS, rather then endlessly hammering at "chaco is scum" could we get a complete case against him, why are you so sure he's scum? Because at this point you're really trying to convince me, macman, and McCloud (2 out of the 3) to lynch him, and I don't think we're budging without a solid concise case.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Wow, it's been a while since my last votecount.

@Overswarm
No. Especially considering I don't have a replacement.

Vote Count:
overswarm(2): kirbyoshi, Chaco
xonar(1): Mccloud
kirbyoshi():
riddle(1): Summoner
adumbrodeus():
mccloud():
Chaco(3): Xonar, Overswarm, Riddle
macman():
summonerau(1): adumbrodeus
Not voting: Macman

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is 11:59 PM EST on June 29th.

 

[Overswarm]

@OS, rather then endlessly hammering at "chaco is scum" could we get a complete case against him, why are you so sure he's scum? Because at this point you're really trying to convince me, macman, and McCloud (2 out of the 3) to lynch him, and I don't think we're budging without a solid concise case.

Your loss.

 

[SummonerAU]

Xonar, I don't like your playstyle then. It's annoying and I don't think its anywhere near as productive as playstyles I've seen you use in the past. I don't see any reason for you to change your past playstyle. I don't mind short posts as long as they have content but yours are lacking. If you insist on keeping it up in D2, I think you could easily be that day's play.
(btw McCloud, this is where I was going with that question)

He's denied it being due to RL issues, but if it's not, why isn't he contributing more?

Vote: Xonar wanna hear your thoughts on what I think of your current playstyle, buddy.

OS, I don't really see why you would push his lynch hard and then not try to get others to vote with you. You constant pushing isn't necessarily scummy, but pushing for a lynch and then giving people almost nothing AND avoiding questions delivered by the person you're trying to lynch is scummy imo. Assuming we actually have a Chaco lynch we'd have two outcomes. If he flips scum, congratulations, but what made you so sure? People will be thinking it's some sort of scum bus play D1. If he flips town, you might learn the most from his lynch, but what do we learn about you? From my point of view, you would be the guy who pushed a town lynch hard and refused to answer his questions. I don't think you're going to get the lynch at all on Chaco the way you're pushing it at the moment. Fix it up please.

FoS: OS

Adumbrodeus, I can't really argue that I've been unhelpful. I've seemingly been ducking out at every possible chance? That sound silly AND can be explained by inactivity. You should also give some examples of what has lead you to this conclusion. Where have I seemingly ducked out? No scumhunting drive? I normally ask a lot of questions before I even start making 'cases' as I'm pretty bad at making them. I want to have as much as I can before I even try as any 'cases' I make tend to fall to pieces quickly because they're badly constructed. I just play differently I guess. "literally only enough contribution to remain in the game" again, this is silly, I haven't been given any "post or be replaced messages" by the mod so it isn't true. Since when have prods been any sort of tell. Your ideas are silly and you should try something else that isn't based on inactivity. I can't really see why you'd be pushing me over Kirbyoshi unless you think I'm avoiding the game deliberately. Unless you can say why you think I'm doing that other than "I have a feeling", you should try using scum tells. (inb4 BUT SUMMONER, I WOULD USE SCUM TELLS IF YOU POSTED MORE CONTENT). I'm interested into what you think about OS without meta as well. OS seems like the kind of guy that would be aware of his own meta and would abuse people's attempts to meta him.

Riddle, you seem to be copping a lot of flak for 'being a barnacle'. You have said that you have your own case, but maybe people have forgotten it? You should restate it and then add to it used Chaco's more recent posts. What do you think? Another thing, what would you do based on Chaco's flip? Who would you go after if he was scum? Who would you go after if he was town? You'll probably be listened to more after this.

OS > Riddle > Xonar

ner

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I hate early game.

 

[Chaco]

There's a lot of information floating around right now, make a reasonable post.

 

[Overswarm]

I hate early game.

I know, right? Summoner is still shallow, Kirby is still inactive, Riddle still makes dumb moves.

Unfortunately, most of the play from the people who seem to be making bad choices seems to be fairly standard atm. Nothing really out of the ordinary for them to do as town; otherwise I'd be willing to lynch summoner, kirby, adumbrodeus, or riddle in addition to Chaco.

Chaco, however, I have no previous game experience on and his actions are just as anti-town and he's particularly useless. I'm not going to make a list of reasons for him; if you guys don't want to vote for him you don't have to, but for now I'm pulling a Chaco and just ignoring you.

 

[McCloud]

OS, it really would help if you could recap specifics. Same goes for Xonar but we know after asking him 30 times that he is about as useful as a tampon in an ***hole.

 

[Overswarm]

OS, it really would help if you could recap specifics.

What for? Anyone asking for specifics either hasn't been paying attention or didn't read.

 

[McCloud]

Cause your argument spans 4 pages. It's nice to have everything in one condensed outline, preferably numbered or bulleted, by the person leading the charge.

 

[Overswarm]

Cause your argument spans 4 pages. It's nice to have everything in one condensed outline, preferably numbered or bulleted, by the person leading the charge.

So you're lazy.

 

[McCloud]

No, it's barely comprehensible over four pages, especially in the midst of you two whipping out your e-*****. Get back to the root of argument is all I'm asking. Bring the solid points out, a couple quotes to show your stance. Seriously, the past couple posts from you don't even refute Chaco. They just say omg vote already he's scum. Which to me is scummy. It makes you look anxious to end the day.

 

[Overswarm]

No, it's barely comprehensible over four pages, especially in the midst of you two whipping out your e-*****. Get back to the root of argument is all I'm asking. Bring the solid points out, a couple quotes to show your stance. Seriously, the past couple posts from you don't even refute Chaco. They just say omg vote already he's scum. Which to me is scummy. It makes you look anxious to end the day.

On D1? Why would scum be anxious to end the day on D1? That's like the worst possible action they could ever do. Hence why I feel Xonar and Riddle are more town than not.

 

[Overswarm]

Here's a question for you McCloud:

Why do you think I'm not answering Chaco? I'm obviously not brain dead and at the same time feel I have a case on him. What reason could you find for my behavior?

 

[Chaco]

I can answer that, cause you're trying to prove a point. You are *** hurt that I did not answer your loaded questions along with your request for a nameclaim. I provided ample reason to not answer any of those, and my requests for proof from you far outlast your three questions.

Also, I'm tired of you saying I'm useless. Back it up, or shut up.

 

[Overswarm]

I have nothing to prove, and I'll say what I please. I'm not trying to convince anyone else in town that you're scum; I'm merely telling them I think you're the lynch of the day. They can come up with their own reasons for it if they want or they can trust me. Up to them.

How 'bout you do something worthwhile? If you're not going to answer questions unless they're worded perfectly for you and you're going to throw a hissyfit when someone doesn't answer yours, well that's just not playing very nice.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I didn't feel like looking at this game yesterday. catching up now

@McCloud: I'll be competely honest when I say Macman makes a ton of irrelevant posts at time, but the posts when I mark them irrelevant, that means it is irrelevant to the read on the player. Not that I think the whole post is irrelevant.

so whats the difference between something that gives you a neutral read and an irrelevant post?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I have never seen people call others barnacles in a mafia game.

Reading Chaco's posts, I only see someone getting frustrated and raising valid points against OS and getting mostly ignored.
What's with this
What I'd think we'd learn:
1) alignment (duh)
2) if his ISO reads were protown motivated.
3) if his posts were frustrated townie or emotion-filled posts as scum.

OS, if I'm being silly, teach me. What information would we learn if Chaco flips town and what information would we learn if he flipped scum? Since you asking Chaco "why he shouldn't be lynched", why shouldn't you be lynched over Chaco (firstly, just on the basis of analysing the exchange you two have had, and then over the whole game)

Right now, I don't a lynch based on that reasoning. McCloud seems to have his on scumtell that I don't share. Xonar and Riddle are lol. If we do lynch Chaco, we'd be getting rid of someone that won't shy away from giving us more information as the game goes on. If people can give me a better idea as to what information we'd gain from the lynch that I haven't already listed, I'll be much more receptive to the lynch. Right now, I'll only be voting Chaco if he's the only real option for a lynch closer to deadline (forgive me for now know exactly when deadline is, it's the 27th and 1258(24h) where I am so I think it's about a day.

@Adum: Until OS gives me an insight into what we'd learn. OS has gone from leaning town, to leaning scum with me (reminded me of asking another question). Chaco I've covered but feel free to ask me a specific question about something if you don't think I answered 'well' enough. I haven't seen Xonar play like this before (reminded me of something else) but I don't really like it.

@Xonar: Would you say your current posting style is because of the things happening in your life?

what kind of information do/would you expect/want to get from a lynch?