wow, im not sure what i think of this game anymore. a reread is prolly in order
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Lord of the Rings mafia: Game Over
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Seriously? You hardcore, do not want to be meta'd.
I can't even protect myself, sheesh.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Unvote, vote: chaco
Riddle
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unvote, vote: chacotaco
I already had you on my scumlist chaco. The only reason I WASN'T voting you was because I thought McCloud was a more viable lynch. Now that you are a more viable lynch it makes sense for me to vote you.
I have nothing to be afraid of for voting you chaco. Don't try to stop me.
I already had you on my scumlist chaco. The only reason I WASN'T voting you was because I thought McCloud was a more viable lynch. Now that you are a more viable lynch it makes sense for me to vote you.
I have nothing to be afraid of for voting you chaco. Don't try to stop me.
The other kind of Metagaming is a little more complicated. It involves making value judgements inside a game based on their impact on future games. Think about it this way. A player could decide, when he plays as Scum, to make klutzy mistakes on purpose and completely lose the game. This would be regarded as bad play. On the other hand it would make it easier to confirm his innocence in future games by acting differently than he did when he was Scum, even in games where he really was Scum. Very few players are known to do this, as its generally considered a corruption of the ideal of playing toward your Win Condition.
Lolwut is this?
Lolwut is this?
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Vote Count:
overswarm(2): kirbyoshi, Chaco
xonar():
kirbyoshi():
riddle(2): Summoner, adumbrodeus
adumbrodeus():
mccloud():
Chaco(4): Macman, Xonar, Overswarm, Riddle
macman(1): Mccloud
summonerau():
Not voting:
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is noon EST on June 27th.
overswarm(2): kirbyoshi, Chaco
xonar():
kirbyoshi():
riddle(2): Summoner, adumbrodeus
adumbrodeus():
mccloud():
Chaco(4): Macman, Xonar, Overswarm, Riddle
macman(1): Mccloud
summonerau():
Not voting:
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is noon EST on June 27th.
Riddle
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Cool Story, Bro
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Chaco, I've been playing mafia for years. Until recently, I haven't lost a single game. I think you're going to need to do a better job of protecting yourself and answering questions, because so far all you've done is show yourself to be a glass cannon. You throw out tons of "evidence" and "support" until directly questioned, and then you fall apart and litter your posts with AtE's. You have the disadvantage of coming in late... but that is still no excuse to have most of your "I think this guy is town/scum" be a parrot of what other people have said.
In addition to that, your "ISO" thing features no commentary but rather the equivalent of a mafia "like" button. This gives town little information and pretty much forces us to ask "why" for every single thing you've said, lest you get away with a fake contribution.
I'd prefer it if no one hammers yet.
In addition to that, your "ISO" thing features no commentary but rather the equivalent of a mafia "like" button. This gives town little information and pretty much forces us to ask "why" for every single thing you've said, lest you get away with a fake contribution.
I'd prefer it if no one hammers yet.
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You're not me, and you're not KevinM. Quit it.
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Kirbyoshi's been prodded.
OS, I could honestly care less about your record. If you want to flaunt, preach to your sheep.
Also, where're you pulling this AtE **** from, I've done nothing of the sort. And I've not been directly questioned, except for dumb things from Xonar.
Also, yes I have a terrible disadvantage from coming in late. I cannot express my opinions on things without having the "Oh you ****ing parroted comment". Also, no, my scumlist is not a parrot. It does not match a single person in this game.
Uhm, OS you've asked me nothing, I don't see why you're *****ing honestly.
Lol cocky getting off by barnacle.
Lol meta checks out, you've pulled this before. Nice attempt at an appeal to authority.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Why would a question be dumb, chaco?
#HBC | ZoZo
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I whole-heartedly disagree.
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It's not something I 'pull'. It's a fact, and an important one when you come in and say "ho ho ho! It twas a clever RUSE good sir, not that I am an imbecile! If you had but an inch of the experience that someone of my caliber has from playing on other, more prestigious, mafia forums, you would have known but I caught you quite unawares! Oh ho ho! *adjusts monocle*".
So far you've yet to prove useful, have proven to be untrustworthy, and have had an emotional kneejerk reaction to every question and accusation. Tell me why you should stay, because everyone else has only tidbits of info against them. They're blips on the radar compared to you.
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What'd I tell ya?
Macman, I'd like your opinion on Chacotaco. In full please, don't leave anything hanging as per usual.
Still waiting for the proof on that OS.
I see no AtE, other than you lying about it.
Untrustworthy, prove it. Just because the self proclaimed "mafia messiah" said it, doesn't mean it is true.
Prove useful? To be honest, I've done more than a lot of people here. You've completely discounted my case on Riddle and points on him. Only person to comment on it really was Adum and Mac.
You have no case, and you are bull****ting. If you have a case prove it, I'm going to prove you wrong anyways.
I see no AtE, other than you lying about it.
Untrustworthy, prove it. Just because the self proclaimed "mafia messiah" said it, doesn't mean it is true.
Prove useful? To be honest, I've done more than a lot of people here. You've completely discounted my case on Riddle and points on him. Only person to comment on it really was Adum and Mac.
You have no case, and you are bull****ting. If you have a case prove it, I'm going to prove you wrong anyways.
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What you're attempting to do is called "pidgeonholing".
I've already told you that your analysis of other players was merely a skim of their posts, and not in context (let me guess, you searched for posts by username and read them that way rather than reading chronologically through the thread?), and showed one of your quotations of me as a glossed-over interpretation. You followed this with a hissyfit.
You've ignored Xonar I'm not sure how many times now, and have made no actual contributions.
Here's something for you Chaco:
Why shouldn't we lynch you?
Why haven't you answered Xonar?
Who should we lynch instead of you?
Also, I'd like a nameclaim.
I've already told you that your analysis of other players was merely a skim of their posts, and not in context (let me guess, you searched for posts by username and read them that way rather than reading chronologically through the thread?), and showed one of your quotations of me as a glossed-over interpretation. You followed this with a hissyfit.
You've ignored Xonar I'm not sure how many times now, and have made no actual contributions.
Yes, it does. When you're trying to convince someone of anything and you're being emotional about it, you're using emotion as a debate tool. Frustrated town can do this, but generally it is more scum than anyone else. You wouldn't do such a foolish thing as town, seeing as you've played all those experienced mafia games though, right? I mean, you read me like a book! :rollseyes:
Here's something for you Chaco:
Why shouldn't we lynch you?
Why haven't you answered Xonar?
Who should we lynch instead of you?
Also, I'd like a nameclaim.
You astound me with terms when you don't even know what AtE is, and your sarcasm is a real treat.
You've yet to point out any proof of what you are claiming.
Let me give you a definition of AtE, since you are incapable:
An appeal to emotion is a particularly devious sort of fallacious argument, particularly in a game of unknowns such as Mafia. "If you lynch me, you'll lose!" is an easy example, but there are many others, played by both/all Factions in most games at some point. The nature of the game lends itself to appeals to fear or hope or trust.
Arguing with cursewords implemented, does not equal AtE.
I've ignored Xonar because he's doing nothing but asking questions and accomplishing nothing by it. BTW, nice chainsaw defense there.
Why shouldn't you lynch me? You can answer that for yourself, that's a loaded question.
Lynch instead of me, I'm not quite sure atm. I'm actually considering you now since you've shown another side with this onslaught. Plus I caught that gambit earlier on. I'm still thinking, and quite frankly we still don't have enough time. I'll have to think more on this, and see what I feel overall. Plus I wanna hear others opinions, besides you spearheading a lynch in which you dropped your original basis and moved to weak generic arguments.
Nameclaim is worthless, you don't need it.
You've yet to point out any proof of what you are claiming.
Let me give you a definition of AtE, since you are incapable:
An appeal to emotion is a particularly devious sort of fallacious argument, particularly in a game of unknowns such as Mafia. "If you lynch me, you'll lose!" is an easy example, but there are many others, played by both/all Factions in most games at some point. The nature of the game lends itself to appeals to fear or hope or trust.
Arguing with cursewords implemented, does not equal AtE.
I've ignored Xonar because he's doing nothing but asking questions and accomplishing nothing by it. BTW, nice chainsaw defense there.
Why shouldn't you lynch me? You can answer that for yourself, that's a loaded question.
Lynch instead of me, I'm not quite sure atm. I'm actually considering you now since you've shown another side with this onslaught. Plus I caught that gambit earlier on. I'm still thinking, and quite frankly we still don't have enough time. I'll have to think more on this, and see what I feel overall. Plus I wanna hear others opinions, besides you spearheading a lynch in which you dropped your original basis and moved to weak generic arguments.
Nameclaim is worthless, you don't need it.
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Someone hammer Chaco, we're not getting any more information from him. He has 4 votes and says "you can answer that yourself", "I've ignored Xonar because I don't think his questions are useful", and "I won't do that, that's worthless".
Chaco, feel free to prove me wrong.
Chaco, feel free to prove me wrong.
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You're*, and I'm not of the mind to let someone go simply because they say "Psh, you're wrong. Also I won't answer any questions, contribute to the game, or do anything productive in any way".
If you're going to go rogue and answer only what you consider valuable and give vague, non-descriptive statements about other players and consider it content, well, you're not much of a loss anyway. Besides, depending on your flip you've given me clues.
If you're going to go rogue and answer only what you consider valuable and give vague, non-descriptive statements about other players and consider it content, well, you're not much of a loss anyway. Besides, depending on your flip you've given me clues.
You have NOTHING. Detail a case right now. You literally are using the most generic pieces of bull****, if town believes you then they are dumb as ****.
I answered Xonar's questions, your questions were loaded. It has already been stated that nameclaiming is useless in this game. Oh wait, by you in your first post.
Unvote; Vote: Overswarm
I feel you've earned that well enough, to be quite honest. Your first major attack on me, relating to my meta on you, was dropped soon after a statement was posted on it. You then swapped to the most generic case ever claiming AtE, Uselessness, etc. You have not been able to respond after I reply each time. You ignore my request for proof, and retaliate with "Someone hammer." Quite honestly, you've become extremely tunnel visioned. I want everyone to look back on what I've just posted and see that it is true.
Also, notice how OS, is slowly running out of things to say and has requested a lynch with 2 full days left before deadline. Especially seeing as how suspicion did not switch over to me until a few mere hours ago. I'd say that a lynch of this prematurity should never be warranted.
Also, other things on you, I've noticed at least two specific things I also did not like:
1. "I'm going to die tonight probably." No, this is a gambit. It can be used in two ways, either a pro-town player trying to outwit mafia, or a poor attempt at scum trying to seem town. I feel as if it is the second, because your play as of late has not been pro-town at all.
2. "I've never lost a game until recently." That's a sort of reverse Appeal to Authority, where you state your winning record to try and gain support. When in fact, it does not matter game to game. Also, once I pointed this out you criticized me for mentioning more advanced players. I never claimed to be one myself, as I am not, you sort of twisted that yourself.
Also, point of interest, vote hopping by Riddle. This is not anti-town, however being a barnacle is. He has been on almost every wagon but his own, which if he had been on his own he'd be Hando.
Also, I would not count Mac on this wagon since his vote was on Tom from before my replacement I'd say the vote swing went as such: OS-Xonar-Barnacle
More to come. Want to hear from McCloud, Adum, and Mac. Kirbyo would be awesome too.
I answered Xonar's questions, your questions were loaded. It has already been stated that nameclaiming is useless in this game. Oh wait, by you in your first post.
Your whole game play has not been augmented, and this proves it contradictory in some aspects. If under enough scrutiny I feel you'd fall apart.
Unvote; Vote: Overswarm
I feel you've earned that well enough, to be quite honest. Your first major attack on me, relating to my meta on you, was dropped soon after a statement was posted on it. You then swapped to the most generic case ever claiming AtE, Uselessness, etc. You have not been able to respond after I reply each time. You ignore my request for proof, and retaliate with "Someone hammer." Quite honestly, you've become extremely tunnel visioned. I want everyone to look back on what I've just posted and see that it is true.
Also, notice how OS, is slowly running out of things to say and has requested a lynch with 2 full days left before deadline. Especially seeing as how suspicion did not switch over to me until a few mere hours ago. I'd say that a lynch of this prematurity should never be warranted.
Also, other things on you, I've noticed at least two specific things I also did not like:
1. "I'm going to die tonight probably." No, this is a gambit. It can be used in two ways, either a pro-town player trying to outwit mafia, or a poor attempt at scum trying to seem town. I feel as if it is the second, because your play as of late has not been pro-town at all.
2. "I've never lost a game until recently." That's a sort of reverse Appeal to Authority, where you state your winning record to try and gain support. When in fact, it does not matter game to game. Also, once I pointed this out you criticized me for mentioning more advanced players. I never claimed to be one myself, as I am not, you sort of twisted that yourself.
Also, point of interest, vote hopping by Riddle. This is not anti-town, however being a barnacle is. He has been on almost every wagon but his own, which if he had been on his own he'd be Hando.
Also, I would not count Mac on this wagon since his vote was on Tom from before my replacement I'd say the vote swing went as such: OS-Xonar-Barnacle
More to come. Want to hear from McCloud, Adum, and Mac. Kirbyo would be awesome too.
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Chaco:
1) I almost always die before D3. I play a lot of mafia, and I'm pretty good and I'm aggressive when someone messes up. Mafia like to NKill me because I'm active and don't let people get away with BS.
2) You said something stupid, then backed it up by saying you were merely testing me and it worked only because I didn't play on more experienced mafia sites. Me not being a mafia noob is pretty important to consider in this context. This is about as bad as adumbrodeus doing a poor gambit and saying "it was a gambit!" every game. I shouldn't comment much because I generally do the same in an attempt to live longer (if people think a good player is a lynch target by other townies, they'll often let him live).
Either way, I'm not looking for a play by play and I won't be visiting my PC until Monday, Sunday at the earliest, due to weekend activities.
The other options (Macman, KirbyYo, Riddle) are all less useful lynches than Taco here. Riddle is the only other possible lynch I can see, seeing as how all of his actions make me say "Is he dumb or scum?" and losing him doesn't hurt much. KirbyYo is always a good lynch since he's incredibly useless and consistently inactive, but there's always a chance he'll come back and his insight is often better and more pointed than Riddle's, and Chaco has been useless all game.
Macman, I still don't like how you're playing, but you're not a suspect for now.
I'm particularly interested in all the quiet people's thoughts on choco myself, so post 'em.
Someone hammer choco before deadline.
1) I almost always die before D3. I play a lot of mafia, and I'm pretty good and I'm aggressive when someone messes up. Mafia like to NKill me because I'm active and don't let people get away with BS.
2) You said something stupid, then backed it up by saying you were merely testing me and it worked only because I didn't play on more experienced mafia sites. Me not being a mafia noob is pretty important to consider in this context. This is about as bad as adumbrodeus doing a poor gambit and saying "it was a gambit!" every game. I shouldn't comment much because I generally do the same in an attempt to live longer (if people think a good player is a lynch target by other townies, they'll often let him live).
Either way, I'm not looking for a play by play and I won't be visiting my PC until Monday, Sunday at the earliest, due to weekend activities.
The other options (Macman, KirbyYo, Riddle) are all less useful lynches than Taco here. Riddle is the only other possible lynch I can see, seeing as how all of his actions make me say "Is he dumb or scum?" and losing him doesn't hurt much. KirbyYo is always a good lynch since he's incredibly useless and consistently inactive, but there's always a chance he'll come back and his insight is often better and more pointed than Riddle's, and Chaco has been useless all game.
Macman, I still don't like how you're playing, but you're not a suspect for now.
I'm particularly interested in all the quiet people's thoughts on choco myself, so post 'em.
Someone hammer choco before deadline.
If you think it's stupid so be it, but that still doesn't mean it is scummy. You have no case, and are blindly flinging accusations with your shove it down your throat style. Bad thing about this is, people will buy into it as they already have. I hope my lynch breaks your cocky *** bubble, cause hate to break it to you. You are not that good, at all. You keep throwing the most generic flak at me, and I will admit it's hard to escape because you keep shoving it down my throat. I've posted refutes to it, and you've all bit pissed on them to be honest. You have supplied me with absolutely no proof, and seriously I mean none. You say I've been useless all game...hello, I've been in the game for two days. What more do you want me to do? All but bend over and kiss your *** like the majority of this game. I don't think so.
1. OS, maybe they'll miss you with the shot and kill your high horse. If there was a "Miss my own ***" award, it'd go to you.
How often are lynches you pursue correct?
Are you prone to tunnel vision?
Do you feel as if your gut is accurate?
2. Where the hell are you getting this? I said you've probably never seen it done because there aren't as many experienced mafia players on this site. Jesus, learn not to skim. I've had to correct your skims quite a few times now.
Also, that is flawed logic, if I act suspicious I won't get NK'd by mafia. No, they still know you're not with them and a strong player. They're gonna kill you still.
That's your own fault if you care little enough about the game in a crucial time to leave it when a lynch has been formulated in less than 6 hours. Half of the game hasn't even been on and you expect to leave until after deadline. That's cute.
No one hammer until deadline, because OS is being tunnel visioned.
Also, learn to read in between some posts and not skim. Might do you some good.
1. OS, maybe they'll miss you with the shot and kill your high horse. If there was a "Miss my own ***" award, it'd go to you.
How often are lynches you pursue correct?
Are you prone to tunnel vision?
Do you feel as if your gut is accurate?
2. Where the hell are you getting this? I said you've probably never seen it done because there aren't as many experienced mafia players on this site. Jesus, learn not to skim. I've had to correct your skims quite a few times now.
Also, that is flawed logic, if I act suspicious I won't get NK'd by mafia. No, they still know you're not with them and a strong player. They're gonna kill you still.
That's your own fault if you care little enough about the game in a crucial time to leave it when a lynch has been formulated in less than 6 hours. Half of the game hasn't even been on and you expect to leave until after deadline. That's cute.
No one hammer until deadline, because OS is being tunnel visioned.
Also, learn to read in between some posts and not skim. Might do you some good.
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lol i said this b4 n noone cared
just rereading the last 2 pages b4 i leave to a tourney
Did you think this question would help you find out whether chaco was dumb, are were you just trying to find something to call him out on?
why the change of heart?
alright.
recent events have muddied my reads. I still stick by thinking OS, and adum are town. I don't wanna lynch xonar, tho i'm not sure what's wrong with him this game. It's like he doesn't know what playing mafia is and just wants to ask questions so he can pretend like he's playing.
Riddle still is scummy to me. Tho I've been having doubts concerning that alot recently. (I know, I feel mad wishy-washy)
regarding chacovOS. I'm not really sure what OS's base argument was. He's been asked by Chaco to make it more clear and for some reason it seems like he's avoiding doing that. The only thing i really caught that he said, was how he didn't like Chaco not reading in context and not giving any valuable commentary in his iso's. I said something similar earlier and I agree wholeheartedly with this. I still don't like how chaco came in with neutral/town on everyone except riddle who seemed to have NO townie posts. Iono, it def seemed more like chaco had an agenda as opposed to legitimately trying to find scum.
I'd like to stick with my previous lynch options... So chaco is still a possibility, along with riddle and definitely Summuner. Now that people are talking more, I'm becoming less hesitant to lynch them. Except summoner who has barely contributed to anything.
unvote
i'll come back and decide later tonight.
Also i think it's madddd weird how the wagon on chaco erupted so soon. I'm not sure whether it's scummy or not. Xonar, back your vote up a lil
recent events have muddied my reads. I still stick by thinking OS, and adum are town. I don't wanna lynch xonar, tho i'm not sure what's wrong with him this game. It's like he doesn't know what playing mafia is and just wants to ask questions so he can pretend like he's playing.
Riddle still is scummy to me. Tho I've been having doubts concerning that alot recently. (I know, I feel mad wishy-washy)
regarding chacovOS. I'm not really sure what OS's base argument was. He's been asked by Chaco to make it more clear and for some reason it seems like he's avoiding doing that. The only thing i really caught that he said, was how he didn't like Chaco not reading in context and not giving any valuable commentary in his iso's. I said something similar earlier and I agree wholeheartedly with this. I still don't like how chaco came in with neutral/town on everyone except riddle who seemed to have NO townie posts. Iono, it def seemed more like chaco had an agenda as opposed to legitimately trying to find scum.
I'd like to stick with my previous lynch options... So chaco is still a possibility, along with riddle and definitely Summuner. Now that people are talking more, I'm becoming less hesitant to lynch them. Except summoner who has barely contributed to anything.
unvote
i'll come back and decide later tonight.
Also i think it's madddd weird how the wagon on chaco erupted so soon. I'm not sure whether it's scummy or not. Xonar, back your vote up a lil