And the last of the Iso's:
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Nah your opinion is fine.
Nah TBH a lot of our convo was just curiousity.
Dude nich SINCE WHEN AM I VOTING FOR MYSELF
You switched me and tom, me and mac are voting for tom.
Adum, I'm asking you to tell us about your meta on OS.
What about Tom? He should die imo D:
Reread on Riddle
Don't like votes without purpose
Thus don't like his vote on Mac about RVS
What Macman said too
So yeah I'm possibly down with a Riddle lynch after I hear Chaco
Instead of gauging every piece of broken post, I'm just going to go ahead and say this is some weird play. Xonar, in my past experience with him, has never played like this. So, I find his whole play unusual. Does anyone else feel this as well, those of you who have past game meta with him. Moving along, I will say he hasn't done anything really incriminating. So, I'll continue to watch him for sure. Oh, I do like the fact I can tell where Xonar's mind is at and hes not playing completely cryptic.
Xonar, I'd like to see some complete posts from you if you don't mind.
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hello everyone, in case you didn't notice, half of us are already out of the joke phase. if you would please kindly start placing your votes so we can play the game, it would be appreciated.
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How did I seem anxious, when all I had posted was "I'm sure he meant that there are 9 members of the fellowship, and that there are 9 of us, so flavor or name claiming most likely wont be an issue. Also, he's not talking to you, mod! Shut up and let us play!
![Stick Out Tongue :p :p](/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.gif)
" What, in that quote, seems against RVS? Maybe you can collect my anti-RVS stance *later*, when I literally say "we are out of RVS," but not when you had already FOSed me.
There is no rush, but when OS and I are actually talking about game-related stuff, there is no need to go back to talking about music. You don't need to be in the RVS anymore, Wumbo. (Macman, Xonar) (Riddle)
@Riddle: that's not McFox, that's McCloud.
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@Wumbo: That first post was before the game even started, I was stating that it was taking way too long for people to confirm their Role PMs. I'm sure you agree seeing as how you are asking the mod to prod them...
That second post was after your FOS, so you couldn't have used it to support your FOS logic.
So basically you are FOSing me for wanting to nix the RVS.
Do you think it is anti-town to be pushy or push for high activity / serious discussion? Do you think that is out of place on D1? We have 9 days to get push each other around, find suspicious people, have claims, have lynch - why don't we start asap?
This is typical town Tom D1 posting. I feel I can safely gauge this since I've played with and against Tom on a few occasions.
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@Riddle, Macman, Xonar, adumbrodeus: Do you think OS's analysis of the flavor warrants further discussion? Do you think its pro-town or pro-scum or null to discuss flavor? What comments do you have about OS-Tom, or Tom-Wumbo?
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It's actually not a good idea to try to metagame the mod.
Adumbrodeus, how do you feel now about McCloud?
This caught my attention. You can feel that I'm town and you can feel that McCloud is town, but I don't like how you just said we are both town. What about this, then?
Lol.
Yes.
Lol.
You will stay the **** away from my pots and pans. Good first post though.
Heh. Lol. You the best Nicholas.
I don't like this. You voted Kirbyoshi for inactivity reasons, then Riddle voted him for inactivity reasons, then you chastised Riddle for voting Kirbyoshi for inactivity reasons. You can be as nitpicky as you want stating that you voted him "to accent his V/LA status," and how that makes your vote "different from" Riddle, but no, it doesn't.
vote: Overswarm
I do not like this however, and agree with OS.
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Overall Read on Tom: Town
Disclaimer on this post: I tried to do this in a complete non-bias manner, and I feel it was easy to do so. However, I am doing this post upon request and do not want flak because I Iso's the playerslot I took over. [/collapse]
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I feel like with a 7-2 advantage (6-2-1?) there should be some mathematical system that would allow town to win without actually posting. I might try to figure that out someday.
Irrelevant.
Same as ever. Hope you don't hand the win to mafia again.
My "flavor discussion" is pretty straight forward: it's a listing of what things could possibly come from flavor which, as posted, is pretty much nothing. So we don't have to discuss flavor.
I think a quick post saying "we don't have to discuss flavor" is more town than skimming over a post and ignoring the point and then voting for that person and saying "you're just trying to look town". You know what's more scummy? Voting for someone and using the buzzword "flavor" and assuming it means you're contributing.
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Does it matter? He won mafia for me in TMNT by being inactive in the game for like a dozen days straight. He was the doc, too. Hahahaha
What? How do you have a guilty on D1? Were there N0 actions?
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Why are you voting riddle
Irrelevant to OS read.
Agreed.
unvote vote kirbyoshi
The guy is a routine inactive, so he's my vote until something better comes along. He'll be "V/LA" on more than one occasion.
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What's your wagon "plan"? You don't want him lynched until he can come back, do you?
I'm actually iffy about this post, I'm not sure why either. Gut. Something about the wording for sure, I feel as if it implies he's going to be lynched anyways.
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He's V/LA until Saturday. Why are you pressuring someone who isn't here?
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I clearly stated that I'd switch my vote the moment something better came along; my vote was merely to accent KirbyYoshi's V/LA status and to reiterate how it was an issue for town in TMNT mafia. This is when he was a power role, mind you.
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You don't think there's a difference between putting a single vote on someone because they're inactive and someone else saying "wagon on this guy, gogogo" when he's inactive? It's been posted that he'll literally be away from his PC. My vote says that I'm willing to lynch an inactive if nothing else comes up. Riddle's tries to start a wagon on someone who isn't here. There is a difference.
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He didn't agree with me at all; his intentions were different than mine.
Not
entirely, but mainly, yes.
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Because I searched for your activity in other games when I was mafia in TMNT and found you to be incredibly unreliable; in addition to this, you were active on smashboards but not in the game so I felt comfortable enough to bank on a modkill. Which happened.
No, no modkills. Replacements.
-- Reason I marked this scummy, modkills in no way help the town unless it's scum. Replacements are a much better resource, and alleviate the high percentage of a town loss.
Nope. More information = more complex choices.
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My list:
I love Overswarm
I hate everyone else
Irrev.
I'll comment when something sparks my interest
Fair enough since you're active.
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Cool story, bro.
Mafia 101
Say things that are open to interpretation so that the person reading them will immediately think you are thinking what they are. Slight implications are great for this.
Ya know, like "Notice how OS got all "meh" AFTER I put suspicion on him". This does all sorts of things!
It implies that OS is "meh" about things. What "meh" is isn't really well defined or even possibly well deserved unless you're basing your case off of the whopping three posts after yours. Hardly a case. MAYBE an observation. Maybe.
Then the "AFTER I put suspicion on him", whoo boy, genius. Saying this implies that the suspicion is the reasoning for the action you are accusing me of! Correlation = causation, amirite?
Of course, the implications given aren't expanded upon. That would give you a stance, and stances are hard because other people can call you out on them. But simply implying something without clarifying the "why" or the degree of negativity? That's a lot safer, since anyone that agrees with you will automatically associate your implication as meaning you're on their side. You then get to piggy back the moment someone else picks it up!
So in the course of one sentence you managed to make a straw man argument, flat out lie or make an unsupported claim, make strong implications without clarifying the purpose nor the degree, and, the funniest thing ever...
Did it immediately after agreeing with me by posting this:
So, like I said before:
cool story, bro.
My vote stays.
Lol.
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I voted for you first, then you voted for me for yelling at Riddle for voting for you to start a wagon while you were V/LA, then you yelled at Riddle for voting for you to start a wagon while you were V/LA.
I think if anyone has pulled an OMGUS vote, it'd be you
Seriously though, you've not really been consistent at all and seem to be pretty content with saying "OMG ITS OVERSWARM SCUUUUUM" rather than, ya know, refuting points. Or letting silly little things like agreeing with me get in your way when it comes to attacking me.
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My vote's staying on KirbyYoshi for now.
I find it less likely that Riddle is scum, seeing as how he did something incredibly stupid and did it by himself. Still possible, I'm just giving him more credit than that.
KirbyYoshi though, he's done things that only make sense if they were done by two separate people. So my vote stays.
Elaborate on the last comment please.
In a game where flavor is prevealent, name claiming could be an issue. For example, if a LotR mafia game was made that said "good luck fellowship, stop that giant flaming eyeball" and had 13 players we'd go "oh, there's 9 town, 3 mafia, and an independent. Fellowship, Gollum as indie, obvious bad guys as obvious bad guys".
Bam, done. We name claim and bad guys have pressure on them.
In this one it is likely that anyone could be mafia.
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I'm willing to claim. But... know this Gandalf: you will die when you claim. Not for any particular reason, just that mafia will be like "that dude has a ****ing power" and will kill him. That means that it'd be everyone claiming and Gandalf saying "not Gandalf!" and hoping he doesn't die.
This could be good if Gandalf was just a rnadom VT, but we don't know that so... I'd be against name claiming. We learn nothing, and it gives scum a direction that is outside of the game and thus can't be tracked directly.
I still think KirbyYoshi is the lynch for today.
I don't like the comment I'm willing to claim, saw that used before as a scum gambit. So it raises a tadbit of suspicion.
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Tom has posted once yesterday around 11 p.m. EST in barhouse mafia, but nowhere else. Unsure of his activity level or if he's lurking this thread, but his last activity was today at 12:15 AM EST (15 minutes after midnight) so he hasn't even been on today.
Stalk stalk stalk. Also, irrev.
nuke: Xonar and Macman
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That was confusing.
Because people were talking about him being inactive and really he wasn't being specifically inactive in this game.
That's dumb as ****, considering there's no possible way you could no that in any way shape or form at this point in the game. The only thing this statement could possibly do is set up for a back-to-back lynch of two townies if you were scum, since you'd know we were both town and would consider it "proof" that since I/KirbyYoshi flipped town the other must be scum.
Because we all know town never disagree with each other and mafia get into loud confrontations, right?
FoS: Summoner
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Our lynch pool.
For my purposes, I'm obviously not a candidate. I understand if it's different for people who aren't Overswarm.
Xonar I like. Not getting a town or scum read on him at all, but I like him since he's giving me a decent amount of information. Xonar stays for now.
KirbyYoshi I don't like. I have a sneaking suspicion he's town, but he's stil the best candidate for me.
Riddle I'm confused as to why people are voting for him. Can someone give me an idea?
Btw, Tom != mafia due to inactivity, and he'll be replaced soon so not an issue for now.
If we can't get an agreement, I'm literally going to record myself using a randomizer between the three remaining names and determining who is lynched based on that. I'll post the video.
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Because he's blatantly inactive and has been a discussion point? Why are you asking obvious questions?
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Yes, assuming that we have no other options. Tom's inactivity has already been addressed by the mod and he will be replaced if he doesn't come back. Tom isn't normally inactive and he's been inactive across all games. Everything
we know about Tom's inactivity points to it not being an issue in the future.
Inactive talk, so
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Macman, responsibility is now yours.
Irrev
Overall Read:
Town, few things to watch though.[/collapse]