Lord of the Rings mafia: Game Over

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Adum, how would Overswarm communicate with his scumbuddies in thread?

Don't ignore me.

 

[Overswarm]

overswarm(2): kirbyoshi, Tom
xonar(2): Macman, Xonar
kirbyoshi(2): Overswarm, Riddle
riddle(2): Summoner, adumbrodeus

Our lynch pool.

For my purposes, I'm obviously not a candidate. I understand if it's different for people who aren't Overswarm.

Xonar I like. Not getting a town or scum read on him at all, but I like him since he's giving me a decent amount of information. Xonar stays for now.

KirbyYoshi I don't like. I have a sneaking suspicion he's town, but he's stil the best candidate for me.

Riddle I'm confused as to why people are voting for him. Can someone give me an idea?


Btw, Tom != mafia due to inactivity, and he'll be replaced soon so not an issue for now.



If we can't get an agreement, I'm literally going to record myself using a randomizer between the three remaining names and determining who is lynched based on that. I'll post the video.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Dude nich SINCE WHEN AM I VOTING FOR MYSELF
You switched me and tom, me and mac are voting for tom.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Wow, how'd I do that? >.< Fixing it now.

Oh, and Mccloud has been prodded.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Don't ignore me.

Dunno, never been his scumbuddy. That's why I ignored the question, I thought that much was obvious.

Our lynch pool.

For my purposes, I'm obviously not a candidate. I understand if it's different for people who aren't Overswarm.

Xonar I like. Not getting a town or scum read on him at all, but I like him since he's giving me a decent amount of information. Xonar stays for now.

KirbyYoshi I don't like. I have a sneaking suspicion he's town, but he's stil the best candidate for me.

Riddle I'm confused as to why people are voting for him. Can someone give me an idea?


Btw, Tom != mafia due to inactivity, and he'll be replaced soon so not an issue for now.

I suggest you update your list, Xonar doesn't have 2 votes, those were Tom's votes.

Why did you address Tom if he wasn't in the lynch pool?


Riddle is for jumping on an easy bandwagon with no real reason and no question (so no attempt to get information) and not contributing otherwise.


At this point I'm unsure of whether it's simply bad pro-town play (Riddle hasn't exactly impressed me as a player overall) or a scumslip.

 

[Overswarm]

Why did you address Tom if he wasn't in the lynch pool?

Because he's blatantly inactive and has been a discussion point? Why are you asking obvious questions?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Riddle, should we lynch tom?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Btw, Tom != mafia due to inactivity, and he'll be replaced soon so not an issue for now.

you implying that tom shud get a free clear from getting lynched today becuz of his inactivity?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Adum, I'm asking you to tell us about your meta on OS.

 

[Overswarm]

you implying that tom shud get a free clear from getting lynched today becuz of his inactivity?

Yes, assuming that we have no other options. Tom's inactivity has already been addressed by the mod and he will be replaced if he doesn't come back. Tom isn't normally inactive and he's been inactive across all games. Everything we know about Tom's inactivity points to it not being an issue in the future.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Because he's blatantly inactive and has been a discussion point? Why are you asking obvious questions?

You seemed explicitly opposed to lynching outside of that group, I just wondered why you felt the need to address him since it was covered by your general statements.

Adum, I'm asking you to tell us about your meta on OS.

I think he's town metawise, I'll explain more when I get back from work.

 

[Overswarm]

I'm interested to hear this too, adum.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Please do.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

anyways,

riddle's the lynch for today seeing as how hes obvscum.

I'm sure xonar will vote with me, we need one more. Any one willing?

 

[Overswarm]

riddle's the lynch for today seeing as how hes obvscum.

Riddle I'm confused as to why people are voting for him. Can someone give me an idea?

Macman, responsibility is now yours.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

What about Tom? He should die imo D:

 

[Nicholas1024]

I have received a PM from Tom asking me to replace him with Chaco. Therefore...

Chaco has replaced Tom
The deadline has been extended to June 27th, noon, EST.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

after class homie

but mostly becuz he dropped his legitimate question to me for no reason even tho id dint answer nor change my ways. so it just seems like he said it to give off the appearance of caring

and cuz besides that he hasnt done anything this game, except for react and hop on KYs bw

 

[#HBC | Mac]

chaco, yu gonna vote riddle?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Reread on Riddle
Don't like votes without purpose
Thus don't like his vote on Mac about RVS
What Macman said too
So yeah I'm possibly down with a Riddle lynch after I heard Chaco

 

[McCloud]

Whoops. Got the prod. wasn't aware I was being considered inactive. I'll update tonight

 

[adumbrodeus]

OS, something I noticed something that you do.


Every game I've seen you play in, you ALWAYS use a gambit to make yourself more suspicious.


For games that I've seen you play as scum, you always drew attention to the game, either saying that you actually did it or (like in TMNT with the uber-noob play) implicitly drew attention to it, as a way to break suspicion on you when it came up.


From what I've seen, you avoid calling attention to the fact that you're gambiting when you're playing town (though you do call attention to the gambit itself) because your objective is to avoid being NK'd as town. When your scum your objective is to put it into play so you can later use it to dowse suspicion against you.


I'd prefer to avoid saying exactly what it was, but as of right now, I think OS is town and would prefer we not lynch him.

 

[adumbrodeus]

OS, something I noticed something that you do.


Every game I've seen you play in, you ALWAYS use a gambit to make yourself more suspicious.


For games that I've seen you play as scum, you always drew attention to the game, either saying that you actually did it or (like in TMNT with the uber-noob play) implicitly drew attention to it, as a way to break suspicion on you when it came up.


From what I've seen, you avoid calling attention to the fact that you're gambiting when you're playing town (though you do call attention to the gambit itself) because your objective is to avoid being NK'd as town. When your scum your objective is to put it into play so you can later use it to dowse suspicion against you.


I'd prefer to avoid saying exactly what it was, but as of right now, I think OS is town and would prefer we not lynch him.

 

[Chaco]

/confirm

Sup guys, I've already been keeping up with the game, so I'll have my reply to the thread thus far very soon. It'll be a longer one due to something I'm trying, it'll be easy to know where my head is at with this method, but it will make for a long post.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

chaco don't bull**** me

u scum?

 

[McCloud]

Welcome, Chaco. It is unfortunate that you come in at this late hour because it hampers my suspicion of Tom...

I've read through the past several pages and I haven't found riddle to be existent, let alone a scummy player. I don't like the push on him from (I think Summoner)

Overswarm seems relatively town sided, and so does adum, even though he has this niggling doubt about me that he can't shake. Fair enough, let's me know he's thinking at least.

Xonar hasn't gone too far into depth from what I've seen but I get a town vibe as well.

Honestly, Macman just blares warning signs in my head. I don't know why, maybe it's because of the large number of throwaway posts that he loves to make, but I'm try very hard not to tunnel on him and he isn't making it any easier.

unvote anyone I was previously voting if it wasn't Macman, and
vote: Macman

 

[#HBC | Mac]

psssh

yull have to get over yurself

 

[Chaco]

Post for clearing out Multiquote, and no Mac, I'm not scum. Promise!

4 Iso's of 8 done. Post coming at like 8 prob.

 

[Chaco]

I'm gonna post this in pieces just so I'm actually contributing to the thread. So here's 3 Iso's for now, I'll post 3 more in a little bit, and then the final 2 with some wall text last.

[Collapse=McCloud Iso]

Tom, I'm fosing you because you seem rather anxious. It's customary to start with RVS, it will eventually go into the more mature and well reasoned part of the game, and there's no real need to hurry it. It happens by itself. So I'm curious as to what the rush is. That's all. My vote stays on Macman for failing to give an elaborate position on Em's new album.

Town++

Pushy, but not enough to warrant more than a fos at this moment. Don't get so defensive.

As for riddle, lol McFox. Did you really have to put that into a translator?

Mod prod the remaining unconfirmed please?

Neutral +-

Talented as Mr. Tom is at manipulating what I'm saying, the fact remains that I fos'd him immediately for making his first statement, which I found to be overeager, especially considering that we had entered RVS already. If it is because I have misread Tom's first post, then I apologize, but the timing of it struck me as odd if he wasn't being serious yet wanted people to move into serious mode. The second post confirmed my thoughts of Tom being overeager. Easy to grasp, really. Any attempts at warping my fos into something they're not is silly.

@Tom: people were already voting, so I'm sorry if I mistook your post as being in a rush to get over RVS phase.

That should answer your question, adum.

I feel as if this post has a legitimate backing to it, and was pressed to far in early game. Town ++

The post I am referring to is the post that I have previously quoted.

Irrelevant to read.

For the sake of clarifying what I thought was a fairly obvious timeline of events...

Beginning with MacMan's post #14 in which he votes Overswarm, I am under the assumption that we have started RVS. Adum's post #16 asks if we can start RVS. I place a vote in #17, assuming that we have indeed started RVS, and make a sly and incredibly humorous joke regarding it. I take Tom's #18 to be a serious part of the game, as I took the previous 4 posts. If my thoughtline had been correct (aka we had started the game) then to me it seemed scummy that Tom found it necessary to say something akin to his post #18, considering that we had already started the game.

Now, as I recall after not playing forum mafia for over a year, the game doesn't officially start until the moderator says it does. So I'm not allowed to take anything beforehand into context, and my original fos on Tom in post #30 takes his post #18 into context. That is the reason I found it to be pushy. Especially coupled with his post #42, which asks people to move out of joke vote phases.

So I apologize for taking something that couldn't have been part of the game into context, and for derailing the scumhunting for a significant amount of time.

Now, with all that being said,

unvote: macman
vote: summonerAU

Welcome to the game.

I feel as if this post does have an edge to it, I'm not sure why I feel as if. Nut no definite read from this post. Neutral +-

Well, I appreciate Nicholas stepping in to say I can use it, but the consensus and resulting cluster**** seems to indicate that no one took that as seriously as I did, so I'm willing to drop the subject.


But can we take a look at the part where MacMan gives an awful answer and everyone ignores how incredibly scummy it is?

unvote
vote:Macman

McCloud is never wrong. XD

Don't like this. Scummy--

@kirbyyoshi The funny thing is, Macman explained himself rather well. He took about 50 posts to do it, but what can you do.

unvote

I do agree with his critique of adum, though. I feel like there isn't any leg to stand on as far as mistrusting my intentions if you find my explanation reasonable (and the mod came in to support it, even though he got yelled at for it XD)

Tom, you quoting posts and writing lol doesn't give us very much. Could you elaborate?

At this point, I'd like to hear more from Xonar. I don't recall seeing too much depth from him.

Town++

Current Read on McCloud: Town [/collapse]

[collapse=Riddle Iso]

Oh wow. Dont even know what i was thinking.

unvote, vote: mccloud

lol sorry mcloud.

What..? Scummy --

@Tom

Flavor discussion is null, I don't think either of the pairings really give us that much info.

@McCloud

Joke vote. I did not put your title into a translator. I don't fail that bad.

The first part is a parrot, I believe, as well as the second is terrible justification of that vote. Scummy --

Macman, I think we are mostly out of RVS. What does town gain by still talking about this?

Vote:Macman

Neutral +-

unvote, vote: kirbyoshi

I'm down for an inactive wagon.

Poor, poor follow. Scummy --

Its a pressure wagon to get him to post more OS

Pressure a V/LA, Scummy --

He'll be pressured when he gets back. How is YOUR vote any different?

I love this type of post, where he redirects the question since he doesn't have an answer himself. Scummy --

@Macman

I felt the point I had on you was minor, especially considering the RVS **** Summoner pulled. Plus, by then you clearly were out of the RVS stage, however little you were contributing.

This is no exactly a terrible, terrible post so...Neutral +-

Tbh, I'm not understanding how what I did was scummy. I knew Kirbyoshi wasn't going to be pressured right then, but when he checked the thread and he had three votes on him he'd certainly be more likely to post.

How could a lynch have EVER happened on someone who was V/LA? That point is basically irrelevant, since I think everyone (including me) knows that that bandwagon had VERY little chance of ending in a lynch and that lynch would not have happened at LEAST until Kirb posted.

Bad, bad argument. Scummy --

I need you to explain basically everything in this post. How was it an 'easy' bandwagon, and why was my reason 'bad'. I don't think there were more useful people to pressure since, I wanted Kirbyoshi to post. I didn't want him lynched but I might now.

You essentially pulled a large opportunist move and hopped onto an easily forming wagon. Deadline was approaching and Kirbyoshi was inactive for a few days. Instead of looking beyond this, you dragged it into the spotlight and tried to gather a stronger backing.

Scummy --

I didn't say you were wrong with the cop result because i wasn't on in the 1 hour and 4 minutes between your claim and when you said you were joking. I didn't not say anything in Barhouse, but its irrelevant anyway, because i repeat there were 64 minutes in the early morning (my time) in which it was thought that you actually had a guilty.

Why are you against inactive lynches? Especially on Day 1, inactive lynches seem to be a great alternative if there is no one sufficiently scummy around.

You're Town v Scum thing, as already stated, is kind of silly. Why couldnt they be bussing scum, or fighting town?

TERRIBLE POST. Why would you pressure an inactive on D1, who has declared a V/LA? That makes no sense, especially seeing as how Tom was just as inactive. Why not pressure Tom, Riddle? Scummy --

Overal Read of Riddle: Scum[/collapse]

[Collapse=Summoner Iso]

OS, I don't really understand why "Hope you don't hand the win to mafia again" was needed. Are you trying to provoke a reaction or do you mean what you say? Do you write people's opinions off as worthless if they have made mistakes in previous games?

Xonar, do to make sure, do you find flavour discuss 'anti-town' or 'scummy'. I know you said scummy in your last post but I see it as anti-town more than scummy.

Tom, I am a heron and I am here to mess up your pots and pans. (I missed the joke period :[)

Vote: Riddle I'm the cop and I have a guilty on him.

Nothing really stands out a ton in this post. Neutral +-

GUYS, it's a joke referring to a different game I played with Riddle

I thought that would be clear from it being D1.

Geez guys, get it together.

No, but still, neutral +-

I missed it

Irrelevant.

Overswarm, would you still have voted Kirbyoshi if you didn't have any knowledge of his past games?

Kirbyoshi, did you want me modkilled for inactivity when you asked me that question?

I'm okay with McCloud. I don't like Macman's lack of explainations but he's cool so I'll 'let' him do it awhile longer.

I had a tourney Sunday (for me) and the person I was staying with didn't have internet (normally does).

Vote will depend on the answers to those questions.

Better post. Town ++

I dunno maaan a bandwagon on someone 3 days before deadline will probably lead to a a lynch of that person. If there was 3 votes on Kirbyoshi and 1 day left, would you push his lynch?

Why did you have to ask the mod about it? Couldn't you have just gone "blah blah let's lynch summoner for inactivity"? I think even if you were aiming for a replacement over a modkill, you were still risking an early day modkill(in the off chance the mod HAD overlooked the number of prods I had).

OS, why did you specifically point out Tom's activity?

Tom, if OS and Kirbyo were pots and if Riddle and Xonar were pans, which would you want messed up first?

Riddle, Kirbyo and OS are all cool lynches. I think that OS and Kirbyo are of different alignments. Not really liking Xonar's 'lol doing in later' but I don't think it's THAT scummy right now with these other people around. Xonar, if you could look back at those posts you said you would, I would be happy :]

Mixed reads for sure here, some anti-town vibes, but an overall neutral feel. Undecided =

Nothings stands out for me on Tom but I'm okay with him.

Scummy --

I don't like 'he was posting and then he stopped' since he could have just been hit by life (you know, like I was). If I were scum, I would be

Excuses for Tom's activity, failed attempt at making ties I think. Scummy --

Macman, looking through both games (I'm in both), Tom's posts here and his posts in the other games match up (roughly), his most recent post in that game is straight after he's been prodded. I'd say he's been inactive/forgotten to post when he's been on. I definitely would be against a lynch on the grounds of inactivity against Tom.

I have no idea Macman. When you were scum with me, you hardly posted at all. If I meta'd you from that, you would be town. I suspect that you probably change it up a little though ;P
Going from just what you've posted though, you haven't really bothered with explaining much so I would go with ballsy scum or town. I'd need some more stuff to get more of a 'read' on you.

I like this post, simply because he's thinking beyond the meta. Town ++

lol so'k Macman, I always have trouble putting things I'm thinking down without answering some sort of question.

Riddle is basically for reasons already brought up + he didn't try to say I was wrong when I said I was cop with a guilty but he then says I was being silly using a tone I thought was 'mad'. This makes me think he was either 'not there' for the time between when I said it to when I said it was a joke OR he decided to do the same thing as he did in Barhouse when I had a guilty on him and not say anything.

I think OS and Kirbyo are opposite alignments just because of their little 'spats' with each other. I find both of them kinda scummy because of it (at worst, they are both town and both insist on being silly but I don't think that's the case).

I'm almost always against inactive lynches.

I know about lotr, but nameclaiming could just as easily get as mislynches as lynches. We could have Sam/Frodo, Boromir/other, Legola/Gimli, hell there's a heap of combinations that Nich could have used. I could just be overthinking it and nameclaiming could get us an easy two lynches lol.

Decent post. Town ++


Overall Read on Summoner: Neutral to leaning town[/collapse]

 

[Chaco]

chaco, yu gonna vote riddle?

More than likely, wall text will tell all though.

 

[Chaco]

Dropping this off since it has questions in it, could stir some more activity.

[Collapse=KirbYo Iso]

Ok, so reading back, I'll Vote: Overswarm because your "flavor discussion" reeks of phishing AND trying-to-look-town-without-adding-actual-content (<-- is longest hyphenated word to date).

FoS: McCloud because Tom was not trying to push anything. I don't even see where you get that.

Neutral post. +-

K, I'm on a different comp now. One that's not stupid. I might have to post on this comp for the rest of the game. Sigh. Shouldn't affect my activity though.

@Overscum: Seriously? I mean, the vote on me AFTER I went V/LA is enough to build on my previous suspicion of you, but then you go off on Riddle for AGREEING with you? Yeah, no. Scummy scum is scummy.

@McCloud: Forget trying to get Mac to explain himself. He never does.

Invalid argument on OS. OS applied the pressure, and Riddle piggybacked it.

Also, trying to get a cop out. Slight possibility of KirbYo-Mac Connection. Noted for later.

Overall post analysis: +- (Reason behind this is, I don't see anything other than a flawed argument and a possible connection here. Which is useless at the time seeing as how I have a town read on Mac.)

While this is somewhat true, "guilty cop results" often lead to quicklynches. If Riddle had not had time to respond, would it still have been ok?

This hypothetical question isn't even warranted. It isn't feasibly possible for a D1 cop result without either a cop headstart or a N0. Nevertheless, once again, there's nothing really incriminating here. Just he's not thinking all the way through his posts. +-

Lol Mac, I can tell you really care.

Irrelevant.

That's uncertain to everyone but you and Riddle.

Why are you basing your "routine inactive" opinion of me on one game?

Irrelevant to read.

@Xonar: Don't worry, your vote is in the right place. Right on OS, where it should be. Blatant contradictions+hypocrisy=scum. QED

@mod: Is that Summoner's second prod?

Slight tunneling, but still Im not seeing anything incriminating. Does anyone else get this vibe but me? +-

@Summoner: Nah, it's just that inactivity makes for boring games.

@Riddle: What were your intentions in putting a second vote on me? Did you think putting votes on me would make me more likely to check the thread? Or did you think I would check the thread and not post?

Xonar and OS need to start caring. Notice how OS got all "meh" AFTER I put suspicion on him.

I'm having a terrible time reading you, Kirb. I think your intentions lie with town, but 'm not sure.

Hey OS, I like your OMGUS. Everyone knows it's hard to ignore an OMGUS when it's that huge!

Sigh, I really can't tell here. Others opinions? Mac, you stated he wasn't the play, why?[/collapse]

[Collapse=Adum Iso]

@Tom My impression of Nicholas is he probably randomized roles and powers based on the play that I've seen from him previously (I've learned to always attempt to metagame my moderators). As such I see no reason to continue unless we have some evidence that it will be useful in the future, which I doubt. I however, see no problem with a post to explain that it's null in this game, at least at the moment.


OS-Tom: OS has a thing for flavor discussion which may or may not be useful and Tom seems to be extremely against it, null tell imo.


Tom-McCloud: I think the FOS was the first forray into serious discussion and it makes me suspicious that McCloud is attempting to take it back now to a degree. You had yet to say anything serious at that point and he FoS'd you, saying it was because you were over-eager.



I don't like McCloud
I like Tom
I have a null read on OS
I have no read on everyone else because they're in silly mode, and while it's understandable, it should stop.



Unvote
Vote: McCloud


McCloud, you said that you FoS'd because he struck you as over eager when he had yet to make a serious post at the time of your FoS, why?

Town ++

How is this serious:




An attempt to get out of RVS?


"Mod, shut up and let us play" and "OS we preemptively enemied, you suck, BLAH!".


His second post was out of RVS because your FoS was odd according to him, and that was the first serious maneuver in the game. Your critique therefore applies far better to you then him.


I find it hard to believe that you read this as the first serious post in the game and an attempt to get out of RVS.

++

Doesn't explain your original FoS though.

Irrev.

Ok, that makes sense, however I think that was an odd take on what was said during the confirmation phase considering that it expressed frustration at the need for tight-knit discussion when the game starts, and people taking forever to confirm makes that unlikely.


Fair enough.



Overall, it strikes me as a little odd, but your explanation is satisfactory for now.

+-

@Macman, are you still in RVS or do you have a serious reason to suspect me, if so why?



@Summoner, joke phase over, i don't care if you missed it.

+-

We call that a cop-out...


Not feeling your play atm.






His explanation was reasonable, but the exchange was still odd and smacks of attempting to place suspicion unreasonably on macman, so it could be something he just came up to explain it after the fact.

I currently slightly dislike him.

+-

My access varied due to lack of a power chord, johns I posted in the code geass game and also the private BBR game that OS is running (that I recently won btw).




You misunderstand, the explanation was reasonable in and of itself, but still not enough to totally defer the suspicion that the odd statements brought about in the first place.

However, since he has provided a reasonable answer there is nothing else to gain from this line of questioning.


I don't think I was wishy washy on this, I out and out said that I slightly dislike his play because of this incident.




Summoner was still on stupid mode when everyone else had already had stopped, and I had already told everyone else that it was time to end stupid mode way back when.




Weekend, a lot of people have plans, especially tournaments, it happens most games.




Reasonable =/= good enough to remove all suspicion, it's still an odd interpretation of his initial statements and it needed more specifics from the getgo.

But, as I said above, but it's a reasonable enough explanation that it defers the bulk of my suspicion, and since it's consistent there's no point in further grilling you on it.


Agreed on Xonar.



@Xonar, you've been quiet, who do you think is scum.

I like Adum. ++

Ahhh, ok, good catch though, been gone for a while?



Also, you need to unvote to vote. If you plan on actually voting for Riddle, since he seems to be the popular bandwagon atm, care to explain why?

I'll explain this, if you'd like. I feel as if Riddle is portraying the newbie scum opportunist play still. He jumps from vote to vote often, and without reason. He piggybacked OS's pressure from KirbYo, and then tried to justify it in a poor manner.

In regards to OS, he's explained it well enough, but it really needed a better explanation when he did it and when he made the initial vote. Because he didn't, it seems nitpicky, so he's in the same boat as McCloud suspicion-wise.


Regardless, I don't like the bandwagon Riddle was trying to start at all, OS was right, you can't pressure somebody who's V/LA with a bandwagon, so it looks like Riddle was just fishing for a lynch.

FoS: Riddle




Odd, why does Kirbyyoshi seem so eager to have Summoner replaced?




... no real scumhunting drive, i don't like this post at all.

Vote: Xonar

Yes, start having an opinion, sooner would be better.





@Tom: Where the **** are you? Who do you think is scum?



In summary...

I don't like Xonar
I don't like Riddle
I slightly dislike McCloud
I slightly dislike OS
I like Macman
Tom and summoner need to post more.



@Tom and summoner: What do you guys think of Riddle and Xonar? What do you guys think of me?

++

...

That was useless, care to comment on a more useful topic?


You've commented on riddle, so how about Xonar and his apparent lack of drive to scumhunt and contributions?



@Macman I'd be down for a Riddle lynch, but xonar needs pressure atm, his statement was incredibly anti-town.

++

Jumping on the easy bandwagon for a bad reason, it's probably one of the biggest individual scumtells ever. There were much more useful people to pressure.





I'd prefer to lynch xonar, but it's getting close to the deadline and that bandwagon isn't going anywhere, so going for my second choice.


Vote: Riddle

Why Xonar exactly? I want a more detailed answer, if you don't mind.

@Xonar: You're active now, please answer my question.


@Macman: *sigh* I agree, town's playing bad cause nobody's here, so many good lynch choices atm. Who's your top choice atm?



@everyone: 53 hours till deadline, top lynch 3 choices ASAP! No lynch d1 would just be stupid with so many anti-town players



@tom and summoner: Where the **** are you guys? Who do you think is scum?




The bandwagon was easy because it was on routine inactive created by a player with a substantial reputation.


It was bad reasoning because you really HAD no real reasoning, if you wanted to pressure him, why didn't you ask a question? And why pressure somebody who's on V/LA before they're back? It was a bad pressure wagon, so opportunistic lynch wagon seems like the most likely conclusion.


Scumtell or stupid town play, not sure which yet.


Convince me it was a brainfart to do it in a scummy manner if you're town by applying some good pressure to people who need it.

++

OS, atm I think you're giving summoner WAY too much credit as far as intelligence goes.



Blatant lack of scumhunting drive, in activity.



It was more of a statement actually, but you fulfilled it. I wanted you to start having an opinion.

Agreed with bottom.

Dunno, never been his scumbuddy. That's why I ignored the question, I thought that much was obvious.




I suggest you update your list, Xonar doesn't have 2 votes, those were Tom's votes.

Why did you address Tom if he wasn't in the lynch pool?


Riddle is for jumping on an easy bandwagon with no real reason and no question (so no attempt to get information) and not contributing otherwise.


At this point I'm unsure of whether it's simply bad pro-town play (Riddle hasn't exactly impressed me as a player overall) or a scumslip.

This is what Im kind of wondering, yet I'm also feeling the newbie scum vibe. Opinion?

You seemed explicitly opposed to lynching outside of that group, I just wondered why you felt the need to address him since it was covered by your general statements.



I think he's town metawise, I'll explain more when I get back from work.

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OS, something I noticed something that you do.


Every game I've seen you play in, you ALWAYS use a gambit to make yourself more suspicious.


For games that I've seen you play as scum, you always drew attention to the game, either saying that you actually did it or (like in TMNT with the uber-noob play) implicitly drew attention to it, as a way to break suspicion on you when it came up.


From what I've seen, you avoid calling attention to the fact that you're gambiting when you're playing town (though you do call attention to the gambit itself) because your objective is to avoid being NK'd as town. When your scum your objective is to put it into play so you can later use it to dowse suspicion against you.


I'd prefer to avoid saying exactly what it was, but as of right now, I think OS is town and would prefer we not lynch him.

Interesting.

Overall Read on Adum: Town[/collapse]

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Kirbyo isn't the play only cuz riddle is

wheres my iso!

also chaco, lol. I sometimes wonder if yu purposely buddy me in games.

 

[Chaco]

Nah, we're love hate, bro. This bromance has it's obstacles. But seriously though, I'm not buddying you, I just have a town read on you at the time.

Also, I saved the last Iso's for the longest winded people. Yours will be up in a bit, as well as OS's. Xonar's will be hit and miss since he's posted lotsa fluff.

 

[McCloud]

My my my, chaco's done quite the job catching up. @Chaco the reason that you think that post of mine has a certain edge, is because it does have a certain edge The tone is set immediately in the first sentence and I wanted it that way.

@Riddle the thing that bothers me about you is you pushed inactive lynch as a "better alternative if no one is sufficiently scummy." There was limited information, sure, but more than enough discussion going on at that point to form relative opinions. If you were to make a legitimate fos, who would it be on and why?

@Macman Regarding this

you implying that tom shud get a free clear from getting lynched today becuz of his inactivity?

That's not what OS was saying AT ALL. Between you and Xonar I'm having a hard time figuring out who's more scummy -_-

 

[adumbrodeus]

Sigh, I really can't tell here. Others opinions? Mac, you stated he wasn't the play, why?

Not sure either, the only thing that really struck me was that he seemed over-eager to have summoner replaced, but beyond that possible connection I don't see anything of note.

I'll explain this, if you'd like. I feel as if Riddle is portraying the newbie scum opportunist play still. He jumps from vote to vote often, and without reason. He piggybacked OS's pressure from KirbYo, and then tried to justify it in a poor manner.

The reason I was looking for macman to explain was in case he was making the same mistake Riddle was.

Why Xonar exactly? I want a more detailed answer, if you don't mind.

Sure.

Will have to take a good look to see who I think is scum, currently I'm... meh, not gonna do it now.

Most anti-town post in the game at the time I said that.


At that point this is really all that xonar had put into the game, so general inactivity plus a post that showed absolutely no drive to scumhunt, it gave me a more anti-town vibe then anything Riddle's done.


At this point, Xonar's contributed enough that I'd prefer a Riddle lynch though.

This is what Im kind of wondering, yet I'm also feeling the newbie scum vibe. Opinion?

At this point I think it's a scumslip, Riddle has done nothing to convince me otherwise in spite of my challenge and in spite of being a top lynch candidate.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

You know people actually have a real life outside of this mafia game... seriously that day was almost life changing ~_~

Chill out when people won't do something right at the moment, I've never said that I'll do something and in the end not do it in terms of rereading/scumhunting etc. The worry is when people promise to do stuff but don't do it in the end.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

@Macman Regarding this

That's not what OS was saying AT ALL. Between you and Xonar I'm having a hard time figuring out who's more scummy -_-

What have i done that was scummy?

Clearly you have a problem with my playstyle lol. You have a problem with me cuz i don't limit what I say and I don't think extensively before I post so alot of it comes off as "throwaway". But most of my posts have a purpose unless i'm obviously kidding or being dumb which I can't help since it makes this game entertaining. i've been through this alot, yu'll honestly just have to get over yurself =D.

also, there was nothing at all wrong in asking OS that q. He said we shud just wait for tom to get replaced or something to that affect and shudnt focus on lynching him. Which does essentially mean OS wants to clear Tom from the lynch simply becuz he went inactive. Regardless, this question wasn't harmful at all, why are you fosing me for trying to generate discussion? That's something i'm really good at. Before I started posting alot of these "throwaway posts" the game was stagnant. I kick jumped it into life again.

personally I liked OS's answer to my Q though i don't agree with what he said. He just doesn't appear to have scummy intentions. So there's no point in continuing it.

random aside:
antitown != scummy. People need to realize this.

more times than not, if someone does something antitown alot, theyre prolly not scum.


also, don't let this chaco **** fool you. It's easy to make a huge catch up post. Especially when you don't even go into much detail about things and when you pretty much mimic most of what everyone else's thoughts are.

it's fun to have chaco in this game cuz at this point he must know i'm town so he has to prove to me that he's not scum. lol

this post was long, deadline is today

obviously we're lynching riddle. let's hope he's scum cuz if he's not imma def get **** for it tomorrow. always the fall guy... even when i'm right lmao

 

[Riddle]

@Chaco

I like the idea of your -scum and +town stuff, but you really seem to be trying to hard to make the data point to the conclusion you've already drawn. Mostly I'm talking about say these:

GUYS, it's a joke referring to a different game I played with Riddle

I thought that would be clear from it being D1.

Geez guys, get it together.

No, but still, neutral +-

Here you say that Summoner is neutral for his RVS fake report that generated a bandwagon on me, even though we were way out of RVS at the time.

@Tom

Flavor discussion is null, I don't think either of the pairings really give us that much info.

@McCloud

Joke vote. I did not put your title into a translator. I don't fail that bad.

The first part is a parrot, I believe, as well as the second is terrible justification of that vote. Scummy --

And then Chaco gives me scum points here, because the first part is a parrot (yes I agree with others about the flavor, big deal), AND because I explained a joke vote by saying it was a jokevote. We were still in RVS as far as I know and yet, apparently my explaining of a joke vote as a joke vote (I was voting him based on his title) is scummy whereas Summoner explaining his much later fake cop report as a joke is neutral.


Either you went into the iso's with preconceived notions or you see a distinctioin I don't.


If I had to FoS someone right now I would choose Xonar, but right now I am much more concerned with defending myself.


I claim Gandalf, Vanilla Townie. I don't care that its unlikely that Gandalf is a VT since he is.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

nin ja'd

 

[#HBC | Mac]

hmmmm.

riddle, why haven't yu been around all game?