Lord of the Rings mafia: Game Over

[McCloud]

Man, it's been a really buzy weekend for me, I'm sorry I can't go into too much detail right now with my posts, but Mac I like the way you post when you do more than basically 10chars. It always gives me a town vibe and I hate keeping suspicion on you for the 30 thousand one liners, but I don't have the meta that chaco does.

I think the chaco bandwagon is curious and we should examine it more closely. I think OS makes several good points, and chaco kind of hits back with his own, but I'll have to go into more detail when I can. Chaco's iso on mac is kind of weird to me, though. How can you make that many irrelevant posts XD

But as I said I have literally gone from an all day music festival in paris to an all night music festival in paris (NERD brought out Lupe Fiasco omg jizzinmypants), slept for 4 hours, and now its my babby cousins birthday and my Russian friends' departure party. I have time Sunday so I will hopefully be able to go into more detail then.

No one hammer till I'm back pl0x

 

[adumbrodeus]

Ok, I was expecting it to be night by now.

I don't know, just a hunch.

What do you think about Adum?

Hunches give no information, if you believe I'm scum, try to develop a worthwhile case, at least then when it falls flat we'll develop information about people.

Alright, let me break this down for you since you are now insulting my intelligence. Have you ever witnessed the occurence of mafia "ideals", so to speak, used to gauge an alignment? Well, if you haven't, go to MafiaScum for awhile and play with more advanced players. I have seen it used many a time in games, and would pull examples but I have not been on MafiaScum since February and would not know where to begin. Anyways, to further explain the tactic and how it relates to my comment., essentially you take a piece of meta as such or a lot of meta if you've played with them before. And you apply it to their actions in game, such as with modkills. I've seen this used before actually, where he gauged a player who is usually against modkills and saw the change of light in game. Called him out upon it, and sucessfully spearheaded a lynch of scum. This, I feel can be applied with your meta. Of course you're not going to understand the trick because it's being used on you.

I also play on mafiascum and I agree with this point, players being inconsistent with overall stances IS a scumtell and a significant one.

What you're attempting to do is called "pidgeonholing".

I've already told you that your analysis of other players was merely a skim of their posts, and not in context (let me guess, you searched for posts by username and read them that way rather than reading chronologically through the thread?), and showed one of your quotations of me as a glossed-over interpretation. You followed this with a hissyfit.

You've ignored Xonar I'm not sure how many times now, and have made no actual contributions.



Yes, it does. When you're trying to convince someone of anything and you're being emotional about it, you're using emotion as a debate tool. Frustrated town can do this, but generally it is more scum than anyone else. You wouldn't do such a foolish thing as town, seeing as you've played all those experienced mafia games though, right? I mean, you read me like a book! :rollseyes:


Here's something for you Chaco:

Why shouldn't we lynch you?

Why haven't you answered Xonar?

Who should we lynch instead of you?


Also, I'd like a nameclaim.

While I heavily dislike appeal to emotion, I think linking to a discussion on it would be more useful, imo it has a ton of good insight.


http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14400


His post may have boardered on emotional, but I read it as frustrated, and in my opinion, it can be either.




I see no real scumtells that prompted that wagon, was it OS's gravitas or simple scumtells. Regardless, I think I've made a decision on xonar... That wagon-jump was scummy as hell.


unvote, vote: Xonar

Why'd you switch to the chaco wagon? You gave absolutely no explanation.






There was one thing that didn't sit well with me in terms of chaco.

Also, point of interest, vote hopping by Riddle. This is not anti-town, however being a barnacle is. He has been on almost every wagon but his own, which if he had been on his own he'd be Hando.

What?

Ok, Riddle is scummy as hell and rightfully deserves to be lynched, BUT he explained that he thought McCloud and you were a scumteam before, he just didn't believe you were a viable lynch before.

I think it's obvious he was just making good on an earlier strongly expressed opinion, so what makes you think this is scummy? Please be explicit and provide as much detail as possible.





Also, macman backing off the wagon even though he already had his vote there because he wanted to reconsider and didn't want a lynch yet. Good, I'm liking macman more and more.




Overall, I oppose the chaco wagon, but OS's behavior is exactly what I'd expect from a town OS, strong opinions about how the game should be played and what is and isn't scummy, doesn't back off from his pressure. I think the disagreement is more fundamental gameplay here then anything else.


But, I want answers to the two questions I posed in this post before anyone dies.


Also, is xonar actually V/LA, that's a lot of posts over a long span from somebody who's claiming V/LA.


... I'll sit on this vote for a little while, hopefully he'll pop on to give an answer at some point. If not, I'll do this again next game day (if I get NK'd, somebody pick it up please).

 

[Chaco]

@OS: That logic is tunneled as all ****, there is in no way a player who has been in here a fraction of the time would yield the most information. Explain how that even makes sense.

@Adum: Riddle has a style where he vote hops all the time, that specific post was not related at his wagon jump to me specifically, but the whole game thus far. I was more so, posting a general gist of what I thought was scummy again since OS was crucifying me for no reason. Now, being a barnacle is something I've seen metawise with Riddle for almost every game. If you don't know what a barnacle is, essentially it is a player who latches onto another's ability to scumhunt and plays off of them. The last sentence was a mere joke of Hando self-hammering a few times.

Also, Adum, the formulation of Riddle's scumteam idea literally made no sense. He was basing it off "interactions", when McCloud and I had not even exchanged but once. This is the main reason I say he's a barnacle on OS, cause his was a better attack. Albeit it still being generic and wrong.

@McCloud: I'll be competely honest when I say Macman makes a ton of irrelevant posts at time, but the posts when I mark them irrelevant, that means it is irrelevant to the read on the player. Not that I think the whole post is irrelevant.

Also, question for Adum, what do you think of OS's inability to provide proof when asked and overall dodge of questions?

Personally I now feel he plays with an aggressive minimalist style, essentially he becomes obsessed with that one person and shoves it down their throat.

 

[Riddle]

I don't know why you think that my case on you is based on interactions. I found you and McCloud separately scummy, but can see that your interactions with each other do nothing to disprove my opinion that you are both mafia. The interactions isn't the basis of the argument at all.

 

[Chaco]

But it's the basis of the scumpair, which is what we were discussing.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I'm not defending Riddle in general, I'm just saying that your comment struck me as weird as a basis for additional suspicion on Riddle. Riddle is scummy as hell, but that comment struck me as reaching.



As far as OS, it's OS being OS, like everything else, he seems to have very specific views about how people should play everything including mafia. Whether he's right or wrong is irrelevant and better discussed in the social thread, in his opinion your play is anti-town and scummy.


I recognize it, because it's similar to me, I had a rant about anti-town play which a number of people disagreed with me in Code Geass (in which I already flipped), specifically that town should ALWAYS lynch.




On an unrelated note.


@Kirby and Summoner: What's your opinions on xoner, OS, and Chaco? You're both coasting and quite frankly, it wouldn't take much to make either of you the play of the day.

 

[Chaco]

Oh, I know you're not defending him, I was simply elaborating what I meant.

You have a point on OS, however, a staple of play should not be incrimination based on differing styles.

That's different, the basis of anti-town v scum v town will always have different views from player to player, where as fundamentals should never be used to gauge alignment. If anything, that's beyond null. Because each player plays with a completely different style. There is no set basis to judge by, where there is a general outline with Anti-town.

 

[adumbrodeus]

But again, you have yet to eleborate why jumping on that specific wagon (yours) was scummy, if anything not jumping on it would be scummy considering his expressed strong desire to see either of you lynched. I want an answer.




As far as anti-town, I find it scummy when good players do anti-town things that they should know better then to do, however this is partially meta.

 

[Chaco]

Once again, what you quoted was specific about Riddle's play not about any particular wagon. I was providing more info since apparently OS thinks I'm completely useless. I didn't think it was necessarily scummy other than Riddle barnacling off of OS. In the quote I clearly outline that his wagon hopping was not anti-town, however barnacling was.

I don't remember ever calling out on Riddle being scummy for doing so, only commenting on the barnacle aspect. I do recognize being a barnacle as a play style, but it is extraordinarily weak and can be easily anti-town.

 

[Riddle]

I did not barnacle off of OS. I thought you were scum before he did.

 

[Chaco]

Also, inb4 Riddle piles on.

unvote, vote: chacotaco

I already had you on my scumlist chaco. The only reason I WASN'T voting you was because I thought McCloud was a more viable lynch. Now that you are a more viable lynch it makes sense for me to vote you.

I have nothing to be afraid of for voting you chaco. Don't try to stop me.

Cause of OS.

Also, I'm not saying your vote was scummy. I would've expected it anyways. You always vote me when I attack you. I'm saying you are playing off of OS's "case", aka Barnacling your vote. Your information alone was not viable, in addendum to yours you added OS's then voted.

Riddle, would you say you are prone to wagoning?

 

[Chaco]

@Nich: Request KirbYo replacement, Summoner prod, and deadline extension if a replacement is in

 

[Nicholas1024]

I got into contact with kirbyoshi earlier today. He said that his connection to smashboards was working (at least for now) and that he wouldn't need a replacement. If he does not post by the end of the day, I will replace him and extend the deadline. And sure, I'll go ahead and prod summoner.

 

[Riddle]

Cause of OS.

Nope. Because of the additional votes.

Also, I'm not saying your vote was scummy. I would've expected it anyways. You always vote me when I attack you. I'm saying you are playing off of OS's "case", aka Barnacling your vote. Your information alone was not viable, in addendum to yours you added OS's then voted.

My vote has nothing to do with OS's case. It has to do with my case.

Riddle, would you say you are prone to wagoning?

Yes

 

[Chaco]

There's no use in this fruitless back and forth, we're not going to get anywhere. Best to let this part go, and continue on since there's a high chance of us only having less than 24 hours left.

What do you feel as far as other lynch candidates, Riddle?

 

[McCloud]

Ok, I'm going to get my work in for this thread before I participate in ANOTHER event (flashmob in Paris, woo)

Mac:

also i've only skimmed so far but, @mccloud: whats wrong with asking riddle for his input? I'm not infallible lol i cud be wrong. I'm giving him the chance to prove to me that he's not scum. I'm also having doubts just cuz. and yes, you are giving favor to those who are articulate in their posts. and yea, that's a terrible mentality. These players will be articulate whether or not they are scum or town.

It seemed like you were backing out of the push on Riddle. Being articulate is a necessary part of intelligent and reasonable mafia play. You're doing it right now by slowing down your post to word ratio. And it helps to contribute actual discussion. So kudos

Everything you said about chaco in your statement, I agree with. It doesn't make him automatically town.

I post impulsively. That's just what I do. I think it is absurd to think most of my posts don't have merit or that only 20% of them do. I spend most of the time asking questions or providing my own insight which is valuable in and of itself. The fact that i post so much should lead you to think that i'm being honest, since there would be no reason for me to post alot as scum cuz it just provides more opportunities to slip up. ANd people think i'm scum anyways. So as scum it would be pointless to keep this up, and in alot of games where I am scum, I don't post like this because of this.

Don't you think its funny that you're suspicious of the person whose posted most in the game as opposed to those who went inactive for long periods of time? Not saying that posting alot makes me more town, because it doesn't but the way you think just promotes people to want to lurk more simply because people like you won't give them **** for it.

I don't think it's suspicious that I'm suspecting the most frequent poster. Post count means little without substance, and it bothers me when people post a lot without adding much substance. It's not to say that I won't give lurkers **** for lurking, but if you lurk and then post lengthy messages, I'm more inclined to forgive than the opposite condition.

OK, as I said I don't consider myself to be antitown. Posting alot, let alone generating discussion isn't antitown in the slightest. But i'm gonna explain how antitown is different from scummy. Antitown is when you post things that are against the town's best interests. Things like, not posting alot, ignoring people's arguments or other content, trying to stray away from finding scum in your posts, etc, are antitown.

Of course, scum are aware of this. They're goal is to pretend to be part of the town and useful so that town doesn't lynch them. So by nature, scum will tend to stay away from doing things that may seem antitown because that is against what their goal is.

anyways, i def didn't plan on this post being long at all. I'll go back and look through what other people said. Specifically summoner, riddle and chaco.

Scum are definitely aware of this, and want to appear town, but what we have to go on is the implied intentions inherent in their syntax, grammatical structures, tone, activity, etc. That's what makes the difference.

You should plan on your posts being longer, as they have been of late.

What bothers me now is Xonar replacing your playstyle. Very little of substance as of late.

from adum:

I like macman (active, liberal application of pressure)

I'm unsure about Xonar

I don't like Summoner and Kirby for the same reasons (little activity, little content, seems to be attempting to blend in)

I sort of dislike McCloud (doubts from the beginning, and hasn't been showing a good pressure game to alleviate it, if he wants to be off my potential scum list, he needs to be pro-town).

You're unsure about Xonar, who has little content and who I would lump in with the other two? And a pressure game to get off your potential scum list? Youse silly. I don't need to be pro-town. I am pro-town. You're the one not recognizing it.


I honestly am not understanding the whole modkill argument continuing. I've never seen it before in a game, so I don't know what it entails other than we don't pick who we lynch. Off that basis alone I don't like it, because as I stated previously, pushing for someone actually gives us information. Wrong or right is how we interpret that info.

Here's my biggest problem with Chaco (I'm on pg 8) You repeatedly reference other mafia games as reasoning for various things, and that is incredibly scummy to me. I find meta scummy for offense or defense and especially when the defense has a holier-than-thou attitude. I honestly couldn't figure out what the hell you were trying to argue by the time I finished reading several of your posts.

I feel a need to come back to Xonar, who has been consistently scummy to me from pg 7 onward. But what I really don't like is the sudden Chaco bandwagon. It's like everyone forgot about Riddle, which he of course happily accepted. Both of them are fidgeting about, but Riddle remains more scummy to me. I don't mind the Chaco lynch, but we'd better get more discussion in first. Lynching Riddle yields more information at this point in my mind.

OS: no moar meta from you either, please.

unvote: Macman
vote: Xonar

Seriously, I'm gonna need you to say something other than "I agree." Though that vote should probably be on Riddle to keep sufficient pressure.

In case I die, my fos stand on

Riddle
Xonar
Chaco

Macman's ridiculous balancing act worked out, after all. -_-

 

[McCloud]

dp:

I also find it odd that both OS and adum say "man riddle is scummy as unwashed balls but lolvote chaco"

again, I'm not defending chaco's scumminess, just finding it odd that the both of them decided chaco was more scummy.

 

[Chaco]

Here's my biggest problem with Chaco (I'm on pg 8) You repeatedly reference other mafia games as reasoning for various things, and that is incredibly scummy to me. I find meta scummy for offense or defense and especially when the defense has a holier-than-thou attitude. I honestly couldn't figure out what the hell you were trying to argue by the time I finished reading several of your posts.

Meta isn't scummy, it's like a background check. You see if behaviors add up, and compare alignment. I personally meta a lot, and find it quite useful. Also, what are you confused by, I'm sure I can clarify it.

Also, I apologize for the "holier-than-thou attitude" if I am doing it. I think the wording in my post is making it seem that way, when I have no intention of it seeming degrading. Until, I get insulted, then yes, I'm going to insult back. I think what you are referencing is the MS statement. OS also interpreted that in a manner that I did not mean it in, I think Adum was the only one who got the desired effect. And that is there are more veteran mafia players on MS, so you're going to see more technical things on a larger site than on a smaller community.

I looked at Page 8, McCloud, and this is the only thing you need to read truly:

Alright, let me break this down for you since you are now insulting my intelligence. Have you ever witnessed the occurence of mafia "ideals", so to speak, used to gauge an alignment? Well, if you haven't, go to MafiaScum for awhile and play with more advanced players. I have seen it used many a time in games, and would pull examples but I have not been on MafiaScum since February and would not know where to begin. Anyways, to further explain the tactic and how it relates to my comment., essentially you take a piece of meta as such or a lot of meta if you've played with them before. And you apply it to their actions in game, such as with modkills. I've seen this used before actually, where he gauged a player who is usually against modkills and saw the change of light in game. Called him out upon it, and sucessfully spearheaded a lynch of scum. This, I feel can be applied with your meta. Of course you're not going to understand the trick because it's being used on you. Now, for what I did. In that post, I saw a bit of meta that was applicable. pretty much "I banked on the modkill." I posted that in your Iso as scummy, to see if it was a paralleled ideal. But, unfortunate to my gauging you have evaded the question now for quite a few posts. So, if you would, please answer. Also, easy on the personal insults. No one likes that guy who just throws insults, and so far that guy has been you.

The argument is augmented, but this is the embodiment of it.

 

[adumbrodeus]

See, I was about to say, "good, you started considering other targets and applying some pressure to other people".

Then I read this:

dp:

I also find it odd that both OS and adum say "man riddle is scummy as unwashed balls but lolvote chaco"

again, I'm not defending chaco's scumminess, just finding it odd that the both of them decided chaco was more scummy.

1. I NEVER supported the bandwagon for chaco, in fact I never had a vote on Chaco unless I went senile and totally forgot it.


2. OS has said before that he thinks a riddle lynch is unfounded.



As far as Xonar, I think you already say my answer, Xonar's play has been odd, but not necessarily scummy or pro-town.


His bandwagon jump on chaco WAS however.




I would say good effort, if it wasn't a. inaccurate, and b. out of date.


IMO, these issues are too obvious to be scummy on their own, simple poor fact-checking, but it is anti-town, and does nothing to alleviate my suspicions on you.



Now, let me ask you, BASED ON ACCURATE INFORMATION (in other words, but this up with events) what do you think of myself, Riddle, Kirby, summoner, and OS?

 

[Chaco]

Adum, who do you feel is the best lynch route for today?

It also looks like we'll have extra time to decide seeing as how Kirbyoshi had until midnight. That's not long off.

 

[SummonerAU]

I have never seen people call others barnacles in a mafia game.

Reading Chaco's posts, I only see someone getting frustrated and raising valid points against OS and getting mostly ignored.
What's with this

At this point it wouldn't even matter if I thought you were town. Your flip gives us the most information.

What I'd think we'd learn:
1) alignment (duh)
2) if his ISO reads were protown motivated.
3) if his posts were frustrated townie or emotion-filled posts as scum.

OS, if I'm being silly, teach me. What information would we learn if Chaco flips town and what information would we learn if he flipped scum? Since you asking Chaco "why he shouldn't be lynched", why shouldn't you be lynched over Chaco (firstly, just on the basis of analysing the exchange you two have had, and then over the whole game)

Right now, I don't a lynch based on that reasoning. McCloud seems to have his on scumtell that I don't share. Xonar and Riddle are lol. If we do lynch Chaco, we'd be getting rid of someone that won't shy away from giving us more information as the game goes on. If people can give me a better idea as to what information we'd gain from the lynch that I haven't already listed, I'll be much more receptive to the lynch. Right now, I'll only be voting Chaco if he's the only real option for a lynch closer to deadline (forgive me for now know exactly when deadline is, it's the 27th and 1258(24h) where I am so I think it's about a day.

@Adum: Until OS gives me an insight into what we'd learn. OS has gone from leaning town, to leaning scum with me (reminded me of asking another question). Chaco I've covered but feel free to ask me a specific question about something if you don't think I answered 'well' enough. I haven't seen Xonar play like this before (reminded me of something else) but I don't really like it.

@Xonar: Would you say your current posting style is because of the things happening in your life?

 

[adumbrodeus]

Summoner, we learn things about people on the bandwagon, that's what an informative lynch is in the first place, this is ridiculously basic mafia strategy.


So... are you planning on pressuring anyone? Producing any information?



I don't like summoner at all, ridiculous passivity no drive to scumhunt, and lurkish as hell, he's posting just enough to not get replaced.




Regardless, Riddle should be the play of the day, he's been scummier and he's got the votes on him, it's really late in the day and we NEED a lynch. ESPECIALLY if kirby posts.

 

[Chaco]

Adum, you are correct in the statement that we gain wagon information, however, the information in itself is not enough to provide a correct lynch the next day phase. I also think Summoner has a point, why am I the most informative lynch?

And yeah, I'm the only person I've known to use barnacle on this site, at least.

 

[SummonerAU]

Forgive me for overlooking that...

now I feel very embarassed. I was too busy thinking about 'what we would learn about Chaco and his opinions'. Anyway, we'll get almost nothing from Xonar/Riddle since they just jumped on. Unless Chaco is indeed scum, I doubt that though.

Pretty sure I'm looking into OS/Xonar that post and I'm pretty sure I'd be looking to not get prods at all if I was lurking (lurking and inactivity aren't the same thing in my book). "just enough to no get replaced" is also silly since Kirbyoshi is still in the game. I can't really help it if I'm unexpectedly busy :|

you're annoying sometimes adumbrodeus :|

 

[#HBC | Mac]

guys...
so...
im really under the influence and i cant understand these posts much at all....


dont be mad k
smeone tell me who to vote, cuz i wont be awake
tomorrow at noon
stupid noon deadline so tell me who to vote

sowwy had to go take care of my friend whos vomiting. i dont remember wha i posted b4 and im afrad to look at the other mponitor to see cuz tht hurts my eeyes



just tell me who to vote homies

 

[Chaco]

Honestly, if you're in no condition to vote. Just unvote, and leave it that way. You'd be better off that way for now. We're getting an extension anyways since KirbYo didn't post.

 

[Overswarm]

Why is it still Day?

Lynch Chaco, end it. Every other lynch option is a one-shot deal with little knowledge. Chaco gives specific details.


@mod request votecount

@game I friggin' told you so

 

[Chaco]

Do you ever provide proof of anything?

 

[Nicholas1024]

*sigh*. Kirbyoshi is still having computer troubles. It looks like I'm going to have to start hunting for another replacement.

Deadline is extended until June 29th at 11:59 PM. If I can't find a replacement for kirbyoshi and he doesn't post by then, I'll have to modkill him.

 

[McCloud]

See, I was about to say, "good, you started considering other targets and applying some pressure to other people".

Then I read this:




1. I NEVER supported the bandwagon for chaco, in fact I never had a vote on Chaco unless I went senile and totally forgot it.


2. OS has said before that he thinks a riddle lynch is unfounded.



As far as Xonar, I think you already say my answer, Xonar's play has been odd, but not necessarily scummy or pro-town.


His bandwagon jump on chaco WAS however.




I would say good effort, if it wasn't a. inaccurate, and b. out of date.


IMO, these issues are too obvious to be scummy on their own, simple poor fact-checking, but it is anti-town, and does nothing to alleviate my suspicions on you.



Now, let me ask you, BASED ON ACCURATE INFORMATION (in other words, but this up with events) what do you think of myself, Riddle, Kirby, summoner, and OS?

1) Whoops, thought I saw you switch to him. Sorry
2) No, he thinks there's more information to be had from lynching Chaco. Which is fair enough for the first vote, as he's not a bandwagoner. The other votes present problems, though.

In my opinion, you really should quit patronizing me. Seriously, the last couple posts from you regarding me have been almost Star Wolfish in nature. "You're good, but I'm BETTAHHH!" I don't think you realize that it's incredibly frustrating to even respond to these kinds of posts without wanting to be snide about it.

I don't care about alleviating your suspicions. Your suspicions can **** off for the moment. I've made my case, proved it, had a mod come in to back me up, and moved on to the REST of the game. If you want to say you have suspicion on me, you better start giving me detailed isos on every one of my posts that you think have something to be read, other than continuing to say "hurr does nothing." This post was fine, you corrected me and I went back and realized my mistake, and I apologized for it. But keep doing that, instead of "mccloud u did noting lul."

That's my opinion on you. You're neutral to town sided, with an incredible amount of hot air up your pipe right now, and you should chill out, brah.

My opinion on OS is that he's making valid points, and Chaco isn't defending very well. Though the two have engaged in hardcore puffery (read: masturbating), at the end of the day OS makes statements and Chaco gets emotional, which is something I didn't expect. Chaco's calmed down at this point, possibly because he isn't so close to the noose. OS really needs to give a more thorough breakdown of his talking points so we can clearly see where he thinks Chaco is scum. I cannot comprehend the rationale for it because it is mixed in with the dickmeasuring.

My opinion in Riddle is that he's not very good at playing mafia. Or at least doesn't understand what a bandwagon is.

Nope. Because of the additional votes.

That's bandwagoning.

I think Summoner's defense of Riddle and Xonar is odd. They're LOL? No, they're not conducive to the game.

@Xonar: Would you say your current posting style is because of the things happening in your life?

We're not here to babysit the kid, we're here to win the game. If he can't play, replace his *** with someone who will do more than pop in 10chars and leave. I need you to give more than "lol" regarding TWO players. Like adum said, this is scummy.

OS needs to chill out brah. Deadline extended. It's not a clear shot between the two.

Chaco, you're currently the most informative lynch because we've spent almost 3-4 pages talking about you. Riddle was at best a page, page and a half of info, and not much of it was worth anything other than him saying hurrrrrrr mccloud iz guilty i dunno why but he is


I think kirby's nonf**kingexistent.

 

[SummonerAU]

'lol' isn't a defense McCloud, I was trying to say that they haven't given much at all as to why they're on the Chaco wagon. Riddle jumps on because you're 'more viable' and Xonar just plain jumps on without saying anything. I think that it's laughable.

Haven't ignored what you said about the question (just to let you know)

 

[McCloud]

yeah, I understand. I also understand that you're busy, but right now you're a little behind the curve. We don't really have your fully fleshed opinions on anyone. I'd like to see you give at least 5 sentences per player just so we have something to reference.

 

[Riddle]

That's bandwagoning.

I think Summoner's defense of Riddle and Xonar is odd. They're LOL? No, they're not conducive to the game.

I can't decide whether you are purposefully ignoring me or if you are a moron. I had SEPARATE SUSPICION OF CHACO. The only reason I didn't vote him was because i thought you were a more viable lynch.

You can't just call my case irrelvant because you think I'm an idiot. Ad Hominem much?

 

[McCloud]

Riddle, I know that you are saying that you suspected Chaco before OS. That's not what is being contested. What's being contested is the fact that you bandwagoned with OS on Chaco. You think Chaco is a more viable lynch now, because there are actual votes on him. This is fact. By changing your vote to Chaco, you are in fact, bandwagoning. Again, this is a fact.

I didn't call your case irrelevant. I said you were bandwagoning. This is, again, a fact. I didn't call you an idiot. I said you're not very good at playing mafia, and that you don't know what a bandwagon is. I have definitely used ad hominem, because my opinion of you is that your skills or your knowledge, or both, are lacking, and it is not conducive to town efforts at all. I'm asking you to step up your game by not peddling the notion that you aren't a part of a bandwagon, and instead give us more legitimate reasons for your vote on Chaco.

As it stands, all that we have from you is that you thought Chaco was suspect, thought I was more (for similarly vague reasons), and switched/bandwagoned OS's Chaco vote, and cry everytime someone calls you out on it.

Cry less, give more reasons.

 

[Riddle]

I have a post on my reasoning for voting Chaco. You can go reread it if you want. I didn't think you were more suspect I thought you were a more likely lynch. I think we have different definitions of bandwagoning.

You're just upset I caught you McScum.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

alright, deadlines extended

no neeed to ge lynch happy

we need to get input from kirbY and more from smmoner.

 

[adumbrodeus]

1) Whoops, thought I saw you switch to him. Sorry
2) No, he thinks there's more information to be had from lynching Chaco. Which is fair enough for the first vote, as he's not a bandwagoner. The other votes present problems, though.

In my opinion, you really should quit patronizing me. Seriously, the last couple posts from you regarding me have been almost Star Wolfish in nature. "You're good, but I'm BETTAHHH!" I don't think you realize that it's incredibly frustrating to even respond to these kinds of posts without wanting to be snide about it.

I don't care about alleviating your suspicions. Your suspicions can **** off for the moment. I've made my case, proved it, had a mod come in to back me up, and moved on to the REST of the game. If you want to say you have suspicion on me, you better start giving me detailed isos on every one of my posts that you think have something to be read, other than continuing to say "hurr does nothing." This post was fine, you corrected me and I went back and realized my mistake, and I apologized for it. But keep doing that, instead of "mccloud u did noting lul."

That's my opinion on you. You're neutral to town sided, with an incredible amount of hot air up your pipe right now, and you should chill out, brah.

My opinion on OS is that he's making valid points, and Chaco isn't defending very well. Though the two have engaged in hardcore puffery (read: masturbating), at the end of the day OS makes statements and Chaco gets emotional, which is something I didn't expect. Chaco's calmed down at this point, possibly because he isn't so close to the noose. OS really needs to give a more thorough breakdown of his talking points so we can clearly see where he thinks Chaco is scum. I cannot comprehend the rationale for it because it is mixed in with the dickmeasuring.

My opinion in Riddle is that he's not very good at playing mafia. Or at least doesn't understand what a bandwagon is.




That's bandwagoning.

I think Summoner's defense of Riddle and Xonar is odd. They're LOL? No, they're not conducive to the game.



We're not here to babysit the kid, we're here to win the game. If he can't play, replace his *** with someone who will do more than pop in 10chars and leave. I need you to give more than "lol" regarding TWO players. Like adum said, this is scummy.

OS needs to chill out brah. Deadline extended. It's not a clear shot between the two.

Chaco, you're currently the most informative lynch because we've spent almost 3-4 pages talking about you. Riddle was at best a page, page and a half of info, and not much of it was worth anything other than him saying hurrrrrrr mccloud iz guilty i dunno why but he is


I think kirby's nonf**kingexistent.

I like this post better.



That said, your previous play WAS anti-town, and I was not the only person to recognize it, that makes you an easy default lynch, and me (and I hope every other pro-town player) would prefer to get a solid read on you.


I mean, look at how Riddle attempted to deflect accusations of his scummieness by pointing the finger at you. Regardless of whether you believe Riddle is town or not, the fact remains that scum CAN do that.

Sure, anti-town isn't the same as scummy, but it certainly doesn't alleviate it and there definitely is a correlation.


So, basically if you're town, I'm trying to help you, I don't want you lynched at lylo because nobody got a good read on you. If you're pro-town, you can help expose scum and make sure we read you as town.





Regardless, switching on to the bandwagon on reflects poorly only Xonar per say, macman was already voting Chaco, Riddle said that he wanted either you or Chaco dead long before the bandwagon, and would lynch whoever was the most viable, but there is a good avenue of questioning here, which you're touching on, but not quite going for.


@Riddle I'm also interested, can you give us a complete case as to why you believe that McCloud and Chaco are scum? There was nothing wrong with you following up on your previous opinions, but you haven't explained why you're so SURE that they're scum.

Forgive me for overlooking that...

now I feel very embarassed. I was too busy thinking about 'what we would learn about Chaco and his opinions'. Anyway, we'll get almost nothing from Xonar/Riddle since they just jumped on. Unless Chaco is indeed scum, I doubt that though.

Pretty sure I'm looking into OS/Xonar that post and I'm pretty sure I'd be looking to not get prods at all if I was lurking (lurking and inactivity aren't the same thing in my book). "just enough to no get replaced" is also silly since Kirbyoshi is still in the game. I can't really help it if I'm unexpectedly busy :|

you're annoying sometimes adumbrodeus :|

I annoy people who do suspicious things, at this point you're being suspicious by attempting to avoid taking an active role in the game unless people challenge you, and even then, minimal, no real pressure game.



Who do you think is scum?








As far as barnacle, here's an explanation, though I don't think it quite applies.

 

[McCloud]

Riddle, if you are town it shouldn't hurt you to rewrite explicitly and go into more detail. Your previous posts are full of vagueness that don't really hold up very well. Make bullet points, outline your main arguments, and back them up with quotes.

And "you're just mad that I caught you, McScum" is such a scummy statement I cannot believe you would even try to make it, especially at this stage in the game. Push harder. It makes you look even more like scum.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Another extension?
Coolio, that allows me to catch up.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

btw guys, believe it or not, I'm still here, my comp troubles should be gone now, so expect activity (*GASP* ACTIVITY! FROM KIRB????)